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Title: What guitar ...
Post by: louise45 on February 08, 2018, 12:52:01 am
Hi everyone, I want to start playing a guitar but I don't have any idea. I might need some help to decide which brand to buy since I don't have much of a budget. I have been searching online and found several reviews like this one, musicadvisor.com/?s=guitar
It would be a great help to hear some opinions for those who really plays. I am open to any suggestions. :) Thanks
Title: Re: What guitar ...
Post by: J.W.C. on February 08, 2018, 05:02:33 am
Just a couple quick questions...

How much is "not much of a budget?"
Are you interested in acoustic guitar or electric guitar?
Title: Re: What guitar ...
Post by: ntha on February 08, 2018, 06:52:42 am
Start Here:
https://www.justinguitar.com/en/BC-102-WhatGuitar.php (https://www.justinguitar.com/en/BC-102-WhatGuitar.php)
https://www.justinguitar.com/en/RE-020-GuitarProducts.php (https://www.justinguitar.com/en/RE-020-GuitarProducts.php)

I can only advise that you buy the best you can afford. A cheap guitar may be hard to play and not sound good. You should enjoy playing and practicing.
Title: Re: What guitar ...
Post by: MrBumble on February 08, 2018, 08:48:30 am
Don't forget that you don't have to buy new.

Second hand means that you can get more guitar for your money.
Title: Re: What guitar ...
Post by: joueur de guitare on February 08, 2018, 09:10:33 am
Don't forget that you don't have to buy new.

Second hand means that you can get more guitar for your money.

With the caveat 'if you know what you're looking at'.

Title: Re: What guitar ...
Post by: MrBumble on February 08, 2018, 10:46:19 am
With the caveat 'if you know what you're looking at'.

Yes, good point. It's important to do some research - especially on this forum (so a good start there) or take a friend along if possible.
Title: Re: What guitar ...
Post by: ntha on February 08, 2018, 12:10:17 pm
I'll add some to what I posted above.
I don't know much about guitars but having ridden mountainbikes for over 20 year, I'm sometimes asked for advice from complete beginners (I'm no expert but still...) and I guess there are similarities.

1. My first advice is not to buy cheap if possible. Cheap gear can be a pain and a disappointment leading the beginner to buying better and more expensive gear that he or she should have bought in the first place, or give up and quit altogether.
2. From a certain price point and up, most brands' products are good and there is no particular reason to prefer a certain brand over the other just for the logo on the downtube (headstock).
3. Do not buy used unless you have help from a friend who knows what to look at.
4. Finding a good shop is recommended for many reasons.
5. It's sometimes hard for beginners to identify good advice from sales people in a shop. Bring along a knowledgeable but unbiased friend when you go shops as well if you can.

I'm not sure how much this applies to shopping for first guitar but hope it helps.
Title: Re: What guitar ...
Post by: DarrellW on February 08, 2018, 01:01:50 pm
OK, looking at your link I'm guessing you're from somewhere in the USA maybe and from that link I'm also guessing that you are maybe looking at the Rogue or Jasmine acoustic guitars.
It's less expensive to go down the acoustic route initially as you don't need an amplifier (some will say you don't need an amplifier - true but it's much better if you do).
If my assumptions are correct then both look ok for CHEAP guitars possibly the Jasmine is a better proposition because they are a cheaper brand of Takemine what have a very good reputation for quality. I have got a couple of cheap acoustic guitars that are reasonably ok AFTER they have been set up properly; this is the main problem with cheap guitars (and sometimes more expensive ones) that they are not set up very well to the point that some are almost unplayable, this is where buying from a reputable shop comes in.
Most decent guitar shops (Not warehouses) can do a reasonable setup to get you going, they may charge extra to do it but it's well worth the cost to have a guitar thats reasonably easy to play, stays in tune and has correct intonation.
If you don't have anyone who has the know how to assist you in your purchase try to find if there is anyone in your local schools or colleges that may be willing to help, maybe a music teacher; also sticking to the well known brands is a sensible approach. Don't buy from Ebay or Amazon unless you are prepared to spend on having it set up by a Luthier which will add to your budget, and research who there is and how much they charge before you go ahead.
Can't say anymore than that apart from Good Luck!!!
Title: Re: What guitar ...
Post by: halfdiminished on February 09, 2018, 07:19:35 am
With the caveat 'if you know what you're looking at'.
I might say that this also applies to buying new. I've seen a number of shops screwing over new players to get rid of the guitars that nobody ever wants to buy (and why might that be?).

My advice would be:
- Stick to known brands
- Don't buy the absolute cheapest thing you can find
- Don't buy online (i.e. without trying it)
- Take a more experienced guitarist with you (everybody likes trying new gear)
- Play all guitars you can afford in that shop, see what you like
- Ask the shop to set up the guitar before or after you buy it.
Title: Re: What guitar ...
Post by: MrBumble on February 09, 2018, 08:32:09 am
- Take a more experienced guitarist with you (everybody likes trying new gear)
- Play all guitars you can afford in that shop, see what you like
- Ask the shop to set up the guitar before or after you buy it.

These three points are very good ones.

If the shop is not happy about any of these but particularly the last two points, ask yourself if this is the sort of business that deserves your hard earned cash.

You need to be able to trust your supplier.

Having said that there are some good on-lone ones. Gear4Music in particular are helpful and have a good returns policy in my experience.
Title: Re: What guitar ...
Post by: licksnkicks on February 13, 2018, 03:08:56 pm
Do your homework. Research every idea meticulously. Go to your local music store and check every thing out. Ask questions to the appropriate people.

When you make a decision., sit on it for a while! I did that before I purchased my Katana amp and glad I did!
Title: Re: What guitar ...
Post by: louise45 on February 23, 2018, 10:06:53 am
Hello everyone, I was overwhelmed that lots of you have suggested what is best for me to do. I'll keep it mind and thank you so much. I asked my friend to come with me to check out different guitar store in my area. My friend knows guitar better than me, and yes I may consider buying a second hand for now until I get better with it. I prefer electric guitar but I think it is more difficult than the acoustic ones.  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: What guitar ...
Post by: halfdiminished on February 23, 2018, 10:34:23 am


I prefer electric guitar but I think it is more difficult than the acoustic ones.  ;D ;D ;D

If you prefer electric guitar, the thing you should do is buy an electric guitar.

Even though both are called "Guitar" they are quite different instruments. It is a misconception that one is more difficult than the other.
Title: Re: What guitar ...
Post by: licksnkicks on February 23, 2018, 12:14:25 pm

If you prefer electric guitar, the thing you should do is buy an electric guitar.

Even though both are called "Guitar" they are quite different instruments. It is a misconception that one is more difficult than the other.

No misconception. Acoustic is harder because it takes more finger pressure to get the notes to sound half decent!  It also depends on how high your action on the strings are.
Title: Re: What guitar ...
Post by: Majik on February 23, 2018, 12:27:18 pm
But controlling string noise on an amplified electric guitar can be more difficult than on an unamplified acoustic, especially with distortion/high gain.

Cheers,

Keith
Title: Re: What guitar ...
Post by: licksnkicks on February 23, 2018, 12:31:28 pm
But controlling string noise on an amplified electric guitar can be more difficult than on an unamplified acoustic, especially with distortion/high gain.

Cheers,

Keith

That comes with lots of practice and how long someone has been playing for.  I don’t find that a problem at all.
Title: Re: What guitar ...
Post by: joueur de guitare on February 23, 2018, 12:46:07 pm
But controlling string noise on an amplified electric guitar can be more difficult than on an unamplified acoustic, especially with distortion/high gain.

Cheers,

Keith

A beginner should be playing clean.

Title: Re: What guitar ...
Post by: joueur de guitare on February 23, 2018, 12:50:17 pm
. I prefer electric guitar but I think it is more difficult than the acoustic ones.  ;D ;D ;D

What gives you that impression? It's usually accepted that the reverse is true.

Justin sez.
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Electric guitars are generally the easiest to play: the strings are thinner, the ‘action' is low (see below) and therefore they are easier to press down. Barre chords on acoustic guitar can be very demanding and require a lot of finger strength. Cheaper acoustic guitars can be very hard to play higher up the fretboard. Classical guitars have nylon strings, which are softer than steel strings, and easier to press down. However, the neck is much wider on a classical guitar, which can be a struggle for beginners. The action is likely to be higher, as well. In general, they are softer-toned and don't project as well as a steel string acoustic, which makes for quieter practising, which could be a consideration.

https://www.justinguitar.com/en/BC-102-WhatGuitar.php (https://www.justinguitar.com/en/BC-102-WhatGuitar.php)

If you want an electric guitar, buy one. You'll be learning on the instrument you want to learn on :)


Title: Re: What guitar ...
Post by: licksnkicks on February 23, 2018, 12:51:13 pm
A beginner should be playing clean.

I am far from a beginner!

There are NO hard a fast rules to playing!
Title: Re: What guitar ...
Post by: licksnkicks on February 23, 2018, 12:53:40 pm
What gives you that impression? It's usually accepted that the reverse is true.

Justin sez.
https://www.justinguitar.com/en/BC-102-WhatGuitar.php (https://www.justinguitar.com/en/BC-102-WhatGuitar.php)

If you want an electric guitar, buy one. You'll be learning on the instrument you want to learn on :)

Exactly. Just because your a beginner doesn’t mean that you must start out on an acoustic! I hate acoustic guitars. For my first guitar I got an electric and never looked back.
Title: Re: What guitar ...
Post by: joueur de guitare on February 23, 2018, 01:00:17 pm
I am far from a beginner!

There are NO hard a fast rules to playing!

Didn't say you were a beginner. The OP is though, and she is the centre of this thread not you or I.
Title: Re: What guitar ...
Post by: Majik on February 23, 2018, 01:58:37 pm
That comes with lots of practice and how long someone has been playing for.  I don’t find that a problem at all.

Yes, but we are talkikng about someone who is relatively new to guitar.

I am far from a beginner!

Exactly, so there's things you find easy that a beginner wouldn't.

I'm sure many people who have been playing acoustic guitar for a long time would tell you that they don't find, say, barre chords hard to play on an acoustic.

A beginner should be playing clean.

I mostly agree they should to start with. However, at some point they eventually need to start turning up the gain if they want to play certain styles of music.

Prior to this, many will want to stick some distortion on in order to have some fun.

And the beginner's course includes some songs which are best played with some overdrive or distortion, for example:

https://www.justinguitar.com/en/BS-125-OldTimeRockAndRoll-BobSeger.php
https://www.justinguitar.com/en/BS-322-IfYouWanna-TheVaccines.php
https://www.justinguitar.com/en/BS-422-ClosingTime-Semisonic.php
https://www.justinguitar.com/en/BS-521-SmokestackLightnin.php
https://www.justinguitar.com/en/BS-524-WalkingTheDog-TheRollingStones-GuitarLesson.php

So at some point they should expect to encounter this as a challenge.

But, in general, I agree: electric is not more difficult than acoustic, and they should buy the instrument that inspires them most.

Cheers,

Keith
Title: Re: What guitar ...
Post by: DarrellW on February 23, 2018, 02:35:23 pm
I prefer electric guitar but I think it is more difficult than the acoustic ones.  ;D ;D ;D
If that’s what you prefer then go for it, learning guitar is a long journey so you need to have a guitar that you can bond with, it has to be your friend not your enemy!
Your main consideration should be to get one you like at a price your happy with, it’s also wise to accept that initially you might be better off buying a better guitar and add the amplifier and other accessories at a later date, money spent on a decent guitar is money well spent. One of the best budget price electric guitars is a Yamaha Pacifica 112V, if you can find one at a decent price second hand (or new) you definitely can’t go wrong.