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Title: I’m A Slow Novice 😉
Post by: Six String on January 29, 2018, 08:05:12 pm
Good evening to you all,

Well let me introduce myself I’m a 40 year old wannabe Guitarist since the age of 14.... Erm yeah I know little late on that Bus 😊

Ok well I started taking lessons in October on a Monday for 30 minutes costing around £14 a time, Got to be honest & say I don’t feel like I have learned much, Started with Chords G/D & Am, then went on to Some Scales, was introduced to Metronomes & now trying to learn Wonderwall by Oasis!

To say I’m getting frustrated is an understatement.. Anyways I have found Justin’s Site which seems full of Promise so have decided to start right back at the beginning & have just done Justins first lesson..

Things I’m struggling with is 1 minute changes.. how many should I be making in one minute?

Also should I leave the songs out until I’m a few more lessons in?

Seriously thinking about quitting my lessons & just sticking with Justin, making a donation & buying some of his learning tools!

Your thoughts please all?
Title: Re: I’m A Slow Novice 😉
Post by: stitch101 on January 29, 2018, 08:15:35 pm
The goal is to make 60 clean changes a minute that's 1 every second. But you'renot going to do that many
over night. Remember you don't count the bad ones and a change is from one chord to another.
A to D to A to D is 3 changes.
Title: Re: I’m A Slow Novice 😉
Post by: Garfield on January 29, 2018, 08:26:17 pm
I'd ditch the teacher and stick with justin. Wonderwall is quite advanced, rythymically anyway. I wouldnt try that for a while yet. I'd learn the songs on the beginners course. Great way to practice the changes. Good luck with it.

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Title: Re: I’m A Slow Novice 😉
Post by: close2u on January 29, 2018, 08:27:53 pm
Started with Chords G/D & Am, then went on to Some Scales, was introduced to Metronomes & now trying to learn Wonderwall by Oasis!

Welcome to the forum ...

G, D and Am do come early in the beginner's course but are not usually the first ones to learn.
It's way too soon for scales ... finger exercises maybe. And if that was their purpose then fair enough. But not actually to learn and use yet.
Metronomes are your friend - good rhythm is king.
Wonderwall ... is that the first song you've been taught by him?
It's a Stage 8 song so really I would say it's far too soon for that difficulty of song for you.

I don't think you've got a 'bad' teacher.
But I do think you need to compare the clear structure of Justin's beginner course with what he has taught you.
If having a person in front of you is what you need then stick with it - but bring your own agenda using Justin's ideas of progression and structure.

Maybe reduce the lessons to fortnightly if you want to stick with him.
Or, try Justin's DIY for a bit and see how you get on.

Ask away - we're all here learning and helping.
 :)
Title: Re: I’m A Slow Novice 😉
Post by: hilts17 on January 29, 2018, 08:34:10 pm
Exactly what close2u said.

I started Justin's course almost 3 years ago at the age of 56. Never had tried guitar before that. I completed the beginner course and am doing the intermediate. I haven' rushed myself at all and it has paid dividends. Give it go and I bet you stick with it.
Title: Re: I’m A Slow Novice 😉
Post by: DarrellW on January 29, 2018, 08:34:35 pm
Simple advice, if the lessons are getting you frustrated ditch them!
Wonderwall isn’t a beginner song at your stage, Three little birds is and is a great first song to learn.
Take a good look at the entirety of the beginner course and look at the structure and number of songs there is to learn, on Justin’s course you will learn to play guitar by playing songs and following well thought out routines instead of learning to play a few songs at random on guitar most of which are probably beyond your ability so won’t sound good, end result you pack it up.
There are plenty of people here who started exactly like you wondering if they were doing the right thing, most of them (including myself) who followed the course are doing well and still improving; to be honest if you really want to play guitar it’s a no brainier!!!
Title: Re: I’m A Slow Novice 😉
Post by: Six String on January 29, 2018, 08:54:27 pm
Thank you all guys for your replies 👍

No first song he had me trying was Knocking on heavens.. which I also struggled with 😉

No I don’t think his a terrible teacher, just think maybe I’m such a novice that I need to start with the basic building blocks! He is a very good Guitarist to be fair to him 👍

Ok guys I will Start with Justin’s Training.. I have seen about his ear training should I leave this for now?
Title: Re: I’m A Slow Novice 😉
Post by: close2u on January 29, 2018, 09:03:31 pm
Good guitarists do not necessarily make good teachers.

Start here:

https://www.justinguitar.com/en/BC-000-BeginnersCourse.php
Follow through from stage 1 as there will be aspects you hae not covered.

Use these songs to carry you along as you go:

https://www.justinguitar.com/en/BS-000-BeginnersSongbook.php

Maybe buy one or both beginner song books (from the money saved on your lessons)

https://www.thejustinguitarstore.com/collections/books/products/justinguitar-beginners-songbook

https://www.thejustinguitarstore.com/collections/books/products/the-justinguitar-beginners-songbook-volume-2

Check here for guidance:
https://www.justinguitar.com/en/PC-000-Practice.php


Ear training - you don't need that just yet.
Title: Re: I’m A Slow Novice 😉
Post by: Six String on January 29, 2018, 09:40:05 pm
Thank you very much buddy,

I will look into all these links tomorrow when I'm home from work.... looking forward to this with new ambition ☺
Title: Re: I’m A Slow Novice 😉
Post by: zedhead on January 29, 2018, 09:47:53 pm
I've been on a similar path to you although I'm a bit older sadly. I tried a couple of teachers but I found all they wanted me to do was learn a few riffs to keep me happy. There seemed to be no structure of learning the guitar and I quickly got dispirited and stopped playing or should I say stopped trying to play.
 I then stumbled across Justin's site and I have learned more from Justin and the gang on here than I ever did from my lessons. I purchased the Beginners Course and I still haven't finished it as unfortunately life gets in the way but it's structured in a way that helps build your skill set whilst being able to play songs at every stage. This helps to keep my motivation high, I've stalled on level 6/7 as the damn F barre chord is driving me mad but I'll get there eventually.
  This is a superb forum and everyone is willing to offer advice, buy the Beginners Course I'm sure you won't regret it.
 Then start saving for guitars!!
All the best.
Title: Re: I’m A Slow Novice 😉
Post by: Holensum on January 29, 2018, 09:58:06 pm
Good evening to you all,

Well let me introduce myself I’m a 40 year old wannabe Guitarist since the age of 14.... Erm yeah I know little late on that Bus

Your thoughts please all?

Welcome Six String.

No, you're not late on the bus - I'm 64 and restarted one year ago. Actually bought my first guitar and amp when I was 12, then traded it for a car when I was 16. Didn't pick up a guitar again until December 2016, though I wanted to play the whole time. Also, I have short fat fingers, go figure.

I have followed the Justin course since the beginning, putting in 30 minutes to an hour 5 or 6 days a week. Has there been frustration? Sure have, cause I think I'm moving too slow. Then I look back and see where I am now, 12 chords, half dozen 3 and 4 chord songs, faster and surer chord changes, compared with where I was a few months ago.

Just be patient, it's about progress, not perfection. And give yourself a break once in a while. Our son was here for Christmas, so I didn't touch the guitar for 2 1/2 weeks, after 6 months without a break. When I restarted, things I was struggling with fell in place and some chord change speeds increased by 10 - 15 per minute.

So hang in there, follow Justin's course, and yes, learn the songs from the beginning. Just start with easy ones and work your way up to the move difficult.
Title: Re: I’m A Slow Novice 😉
Post by: Six String on January 29, 2018, 10:15:57 pm
Thank you all so much,

you are a great crowd on here I must say and it's nice to know so many feel the same way as I do ☺I have just been doing the chord changes D to A etc.... little messy with fingers going on wrong strings was getting about 40 counting each chord change so about 20 under 😯 I am tired though so back on it tomorrow after work..

I will be knocking the Lessons on the head now I think though ☺
Title: Re: I’m A Slow Novice 😉
Post by: J.W.C. on January 29, 2018, 10:28:19 pm
My first instrument was piano. I learned from several excellent teachers. One thing they all had in common was that they taught from a structured curriculum. That is, they had a proven plan and process for teaching piano: a system which built up technique, theory, repertoire, et cetera.

I started learning guitar as a teen. I went through several not-as-impressive teachers (compared to the piano teachers). I recall being struck, even then, by the contrast between the guitar teachers and the piano teachers. The guitar teachers were simply not as organized in their instruction (and that's being kind, in a few cases). All of them were excellent guitarists, but I don't think any of them approached teaching guitar as a primary thing. It seemed like they were guitarists who "taught on the side" rather than actual teachers, if you know what I mean.

Some of that may have been luck of the draw, or the way I found the teachers (usually through guitar store connections). Also, I suspect if I had taken up classical guitar, the quality of instruction probably would've been better. Anyway, I learned from all my guitar teachers, but I'd have to say I learned in a very inefficient and haphazard manner.

In contrast, Justin's method is a planned and well-designed program for learning to play guitar. He has thought about how to teach guitar, planned it out, and developed a serious and effective program of instruction. It really is impressive, and it's absolutely amazing that he makes it available on an honor system. I don't know of any other music instruction program of this quality that is as readily available. If I were a guitar teacher, I would adopt Justin's method as my program of instruction in a heartbeat.

My suggestion is that you start studying using Justin's program. It's a great program. But don't eliminate your guitar lessons with an actual teacher. You could cut them down to once a month or so. Use your time with the instructor to show the teacher what you're working on, and to ask for help and suggestions with anything giving you trouble. In-person instruction can give you valuable feedback, even if you're mainly following Justin's program.  You can also use your in-person lessons to start playing with another musician (e.g., playing chord changes together, practicing your timing/rhythm, et cetera).

Also, I suggest giving back to Justin by ordering material from him (or even just giving him a donation). Again, what Justin offers is high quality and they way he offers it is pretty much unprecedented, in my experience with music instruction. It's a cool thing.
Title: Re: I’m A Slow Novice 😉
Post by: close2u on January 29, 2018, 11:52:12 pm
@ JWC

brilliantly put

 :)
Title: Re: I’m A Slow Novice 😉
Post by: Six String on January 30, 2018, 05:01:55 am
Second that 👍

I have to agree I think there a lot of good Guitarists that just do teaching as a little money on the side but think their hart really lays in playing the next gig Which is fine & can totally understand going through the whole “basic Chords” etc etc can become frustrating for them also!

As I said he is a nice guy & does a lot of guitar session work but feel I should drop the lessons & maybe go back to him when I have a better foundation as I feel we just seem to be covering the same ground with little improvement due to my slow learning pace!
Title: Re: I’m A Slow Novice 😉
Post by: Stormya on January 30, 2018, 09:02:38 am
To add my two pennies worth. When I first began I had a couple of 'lessons' but quickly stopped. I was shown about 12 chords in a few weeks and was being taught hammer-ons as well plus a few other things which were way way way ahead of me. After those lessons I wouldn't pick the guitar up for days because it was all a bit of a downer.

So - lessons ditched. Focussed on BC and really enjoyed it. I second all the other comments made - what's not to like. It's a brilliantly done course.

I'm now part way through the Intemediate Course and similarly enjoying that.

I wouldn't worry at all about being slow - everyone moves at different speeds. It took me a good two years to do the BC and I've read of others doing it in a couple of months. (And I still go back to it quite a lot for various reasons). I stopped being concerned about speed - so long as I keep seeing progress that's fine.
Title: Re: I’m A Slow Novice 😉
Post by: Barnezy on January 30, 2018, 10:35:56 am
I agree with the sentiment above, however having a teacher has taught me a lot beyond what I could have self taught/taken from Justin's course. Justin's course is fantastic and sets a great curriculum of learning from beginner to intermediate, however a live teacher can correct things you would never be able to spot yourself. I also heard a stat that 90% of people who learn off the internet have terrible timing, which sounds a bit made up, but I can believe that it would be harder to develop this teaching yourself off the web.

Half the corrections I got from my teacher was either hand position and fingering or as he would say "I'm not in the grove" which meant my timing and rhythm were off.

I'd stick with the teacher and suggest to him that you want his guidance on the things you learn from Justin's course. This will ensure you get the best of both worlds and any bad technique is spotted before it becomes a habit.

I've taken a break from private lessons for a while as I'm at a stage now where I just need to put hours of practice in to develop what I've learnt and will look to start them again once I feel I've reached a certain level with it.

Everyone learns and is motivated differently, so find what suits you.




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Title: Re: I’m A Slow Novice 😉
Post by: Stormya on January 30, 2018, 11:01:59 am
....... I did forget to say that about 3 months ago I started having 'proper' lessons and I am definitely finding it really useful to have someone to check technique, ask questions of and be set quite challenging (but not eyeballs out ridiculous) targets by. I have a half hour lesson every two weeks which works perfectly for me and it all fits in very well with the Intermediate course (It's a different teacher to the guys I started with).

Key thing I think with lessons is to find someone who listens to you, will be patient and will be happy to push you a bit but recognise your abilities and go at your own pace. So, now I've got a good teacher I'm finding 1 to 1 lessons very helpful.

So, yes I agree with Barnezy on all that.


Title: Re: I’m A Slow Novice 😉
Post by: Six String on January 30, 2018, 12:03:23 pm
As always guys thank you 👍

I do understand what you are saying about one to one teachers but really feel like I’m wasting money as I’m not moving one and keep covering the same ground because of my skill level.. I think I need to spend time with Justin’s building blocks and then restart the Lessons.. feeling a little confused again 😬
Title: Re: I’m A Slow Novice 😉
Post by: Stormya on January 31, 2018, 12:56:30 am
Hi again - in which case drop the lessons until you feel you are at a point to take them up again. The BC is a great course - come back to lessons later if you want to. There's not a lot of point in doing them if they just make you feel bad about it all - it's supposed to be fun / enjoyable.
Title: Re: I’m A Slow Novice 😉
Post by: Six String on February 01, 2018, 06:07:04 am
Thank you Stormya,

I have lessons booked until end of Feb so will finish these off & throw myself into Justin’s course & take it from there 👍 I just have to give myself a proper training time & stick to it daily 👍
Title: Re: I’m A Slow Novice 😉
Post by: dantheman1983 on February 11, 2018, 11:44:53 am
I'd ditch the teacher and stick with justin. Wonderwall is quite advanced, rythymically anyway. I wouldnt try that for a while yet. I'd learn the songs on the beginners course. Great way to practice the changes. Good luck with it.


I've been learning about 10 months and the first song my teacher showed me was wonderwall
(but with a more basic strumming pattern) the opening 4 chords weren't too difficult the way he showed me (using 'big EM and big G) only middle and index finger moving around.
Because its such a well known song I think the strumming pattern is something you can work out in your head.
Anyway in the few weeks before I started lessons I did some bits on Justin's site which helped a bit.

Its only worth having lesson if the teacher is right for you I'd say, luckily mine is pretty good.

Title: Re: I’m A Slow Novice 😉
Post by: Thealchemist on February 14, 2018, 05:35:23 am
Good evening to you all,

Well let me introduce myself I’m a 40 year old wannabe Guitarist since the age of 14.... Erm yeah I know little late on that Bus

Ok well I started taking lessons in October on a Monday for 30 minutes costing around £14 a time, Got to be honest & say I don’t feel like I have learned much, Started with Chords G/D & Am, then went on to Some Scales, was introduced to Metronomes & now trying to learn Wonderwall by Oasis!

To say I’m getting frustrated is an understatement.. Anyways I have found Justin’s Site which seems full of Promise so have decided to start right back at the beginning & have just done Justins first lesson..

Things I’m struggling with is 1 minute changes.. how many should I be making in one minute?

Also should I leave the songs out until I’m a few more lessons in?

Seriously thinking about quitting my lessons & just sticking with Justin, making a donation & buying some of his learning tools!

Your thoughts please all?
To be honest I'm sort of like you I'm 53 had guitars for 24 years but rarely played in past 15.  Went for lessons learned songs but not a lot else. I stumbled across Justin's site few weeks ago and have decided to go right back to basics. I'm on holiday but whilst here have ordered all the materials song book etc strumming CD for when I get back. There are loads of lessons by other people on you tube but to be honest I like his style and his manner . I would ditch your teacher and go with Justin right from the start. I'm am just getting on the bus and hopefully this time reach a destination. Good luck

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