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Title: music sheets on tablet
Post by: Murphy on September 06, 2017, 11:10:54 pm
Recently saw a talented guitarist with the cords and words displayed on a tablet. Someone said that with this particular program you can change keys and auto scroll is song is longer than a full screen. Anyone know the name of this program?

Does anyone  know of a program for this or can you describe how it can be put on the tablet say in PDF format that would be useable.

Don't want to spend lots of cash on this - looking for a moderate approach.

Title: Re: music sheets on tablet
Post by: DarrellW on September 07, 2017, 05:30:39 am
Have a look at Songsterr, I think it could be the one in question - I use it myself.
https://youtu.be/SwTfDKlNKI8
Edit: Better demo added
Title: Re: music sheets on tablet
Post by: Joerfe on September 07, 2017, 05:38:31 am
There are quite a few apps doing this.
I use Songbook ChordPro. It's also great for sharing in the band.
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Post by: close2u on September 07, 2017, 07:05:52 am
Are you on iOS or android?
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Post by: hilts17 on September 07, 2017, 02:23:32 pm
I use Onsong on my Ipad. It's quite versatile. Not sure if there is a version for Android.
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Post by: Rossco01 on September 07, 2017, 02:59:18 pm
I like the look of OnSong Hilts...unfortunate it's only for IOS and not Android as well.
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Post by: bigbl5 on September 07, 2017, 03:02:04 pm
Guitar tab pro does the same thing.
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Post by: Rossco01 on September 07, 2017, 03:34:51 pm
I have tab pro already but tend to us it just to find songs..it's not quite got the functionality to organise things for you personally...or perhaps I just need to look at it a little more. Songbook Chordpro looks like a good alternative so I may investigate that as well. It struck me only because when I looked at the OnSong website they showed an image of a stack of binders just like mine  :D
Title: Re: music sheets on tablet
Post by: stitch101 on September 07, 2017, 06:12:47 pm
http://www.linkesoft.com/songbook/

Songbook has both Android devises, PC and Mac.
It will transcribe to different keys and you can write your own music for it.

 
Title: Re: music sheets on tablet
Post by: Joerfe on September 07, 2017, 07:26:27 pm
http://www.linkesoft.com/songbook/

Songbook has both Android devises, PC and Mac.
It will transcribe to different keys and you can write your own music for it.

That's the one I use. Highly recommendable!
Title: Re: music sheets on tablet
Post by: Wheelin Rev on September 09, 2017, 07:21:16 am
Just to be sure, SongBook ChordPro for iOS at $7.99 is what you speak of as shown here?(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170909/4ffe689307e361e5a43df6321c3aa4cc.png)


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Title: Re: music sheets on tablet
Post by: Joerfe on September 09, 2017, 08:33:56 am
That's the one I use.
I also have the pc version. For me it's easier to edit songs on that platform as I am the repertoire keeper in the band.


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Title: Re: music sheets on tablet
Post by: Joerfe on September 09, 2017, 09:40:31 am
My workflow:

- on the pc version I add songs we are going to play. Meaning copy/paste lyrics from the interweb.
- I usually copy the chords as well just for a starting point.
- then there is a little bit of work of putting chords in placeholders so that Songbook can work with them. This makes it easy to change key on the fly and whatnot. Takes about 5 minutes per song.
- I then play the song and make my own corrections to the chords, making notes on breaks and stuff like that.
- Everytime I save the bandmembers just have to update the songlist from back home. Then every new song and correction is in their songbook, and we are all practicing from that same master.
- During band practice we try different keys to make sure the singer is in a comfortable range of her voice. Very easy in Songbook to change keys throughout the song. I always bring my ipad.
- changes during the band session is not populated to the band because I'm a cheap bastard and do not have an ipad with a sim card.
- I note the changes in Songbook during practice and populate when I get back home.

We are not using the link via bluetooth functionality during band practice.
Some members are always low on battery and bluetooth drinks a lot of juice
Title: Re: music sheets on tablet
Post by: stringvester on September 09, 2017, 11:22:20 am
There's no Android version of Onsong but if you're happily commited to apple the feature set is rich and there is a scrolling option and a foot pedal control option if you buy the hardware. I've also used backing drum tracks with it and it has a PC console feature for cut and paste operations from the likes of tab pro or ultimate guitar.

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Title: Re: music sheets on tablet
Post by: davidvac on September 09, 2017, 11:45:57 am
I'm just starting to get to grips with Setlists http://www.setlistsapp.com (http://www.setlistsapp.com). It seems to do most of what others have discussed here and the display is very cool. Also, I gave some feedback about adding a setlist organisation feature and the developer was very responsive.
Title: Re: music sheets on tablet
Post by: Wheelin Rev on September 09, 2017, 01:08:34 pm
My workflow:

- on the pc version I add songs we are going to play. Meaning copy/paste lyrics from the interweb.
- I usually copy the chords as well just for a starting point.
- then there is a little bit of work of putting chords in placeholders so that Songbook can work with them. This makes it easy to change key on the fly and whatnot. Takes about 5 minutes per song.
- I then play the song and make my own corrections to the chords, making notes on breaks and stuff like that.
- Everytime I save the bandmembers just have to update the songlist from back home. Then every new song and correction is in their songbook, and we are all practicing from that same master.
- During band practice we try different keys to make sure the singer is in a comfortable range of her voice. Very easy in Songbook to change keys throughout the song. I always bring my ipad.
- changes during the band session is not populated to the band because I'm a cheap bastard and do not have an ipad with a sim card.
- I note the changes in Songbook during practice and populate when I get back home.

We are not using the link via bluetooth functionality during band practice.
Some members are always low on battery and bluetooth drinks a lot of juice
Thanks for the explanation. Very informative!


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Title: Re: music sheets on tablet
Post by: dman2 on September 09, 2017, 01:24:25 pm
I have pickin and grinnin

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Title: Re: music sheets on tablet
Post by: Joerfe on September 09, 2017, 02:19:52 pm
Thanks for the explanation. Very informative!

You're welcome.

I guess most of these apps are quite similar. You decide based on OS availability, price and recommendations. But basically, they all do pretty much the same.
Title: Re: music sheets on tablet
Post by: stitch101 on September 09, 2017, 03:11:37 pm
@Joerfe
do you have the latest update.

When you copy a song with chords you can change it to chordpro formate with one click of a buttom.
The one I'm using is for andriod on my tablet so it may be a little different than the pc version.
I search the web right from Songbook and click copy in Songbook. Hit the drop down in set up(the three little dots)
abd click on chordpro. It automatically changes the whole song and you can edit, change key etc.

@ Wheelin Rev. That the the one I'm using but the android version.
Title: Re: music sheets on tablet
Post by: stitch101 on September 09, 2017, 05:01:37 pm
If anyone wants to learn more about writing out songs with chords in chordpro format used in most
programs that show lyrics and chords here's a brief explanation of how to do it with any word prossing
program. It's easy when you know the code.

https://www.chordpro.org/chordpro/ChordPro-File-Format-Specification.html

Title: Re: music sheets on tablet
Post by: Joerfe on September 10, 2017, 08:56:53 am
When you copy a song with chords you can change it to chordpro formate with one click of a buttom.

Thanks Stitch.
I kind of forgot that feature which was a major feature for me when deciding on which app to get for this.
Just tried it out and it works great.
Title: Re: music sheets on tablet
Post by: dman2 on February 01, 2018, 02:10:33 am
Pickin and grinnin works for me and from the app i can search for songs

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Title: Re: music sheets on tablet
Post by: BCDC on February 01, 2018, 03:05:27 am
Interesting thread. I am have been wondering how to go electronic rather than paper for my song books. Quick question. How would I go about getting one of Justin’s songs from his song books into these programs? I assume I would have to find an electric version of it, upload it, then edit it to align with Justin’s version......for those songs that might be different.


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Title: Re: music sheets on tablet
Post by: Joerfe on February 01, 2018, 06:25:40 am
There are a couple of ways to do that.
1. Find the lyrics on the interweb. Copy into Songbook and place the chords accordingly
2. Write the lyrics off the book and place the chords accordingly.
Title: Re: music sheets on tablet
Post by: embishop on February 01, 2018, 06:27:15 pm
@Joerfe - do you know if it's easy to include tab in Songbook (for riffs inside the song, or for entire tab arrangements of the song), and also if 1 purchase will sync to multiple devices for the same user? (i.e. do I pay once or twice to use it on both my iPad and my iPhone)

Thanks
Title: Re: music sheets on tablet
Post by: stitch101 on February 01, 2018, 06:36:13 pm
Songbook will dispay tabs is the sheet music and you can add or edit righti the app.
If you learn haw to write using chord pro format in note pad or any text editing software
you can write you own music with chords and tabs and import it into Songbook.

This is how to write in Chord Pro format and how it displays in Songbook
(https://www.chordpro.org/chordpro/images/love-me-tender-small.png)

This is how tabs display in Songbook minus the side menu that disappears once a song is selected.
(https://www.linkesoft.com/songbook/songbookwinmain.png)
 
Title: Re: music sheets on tablet
Post by: stitch101 on February 01, 2018, 06:57:15 pm
This is a screen shot taken for Songbooks web site. On my tablet every thing at the bottom is
at the top of the screen and the name of the song is smaller and set to the left
(https://www.linkesoft.com/songbook/songbookiphonesongview.png)

You can also import PDF files of music but can't edit them.
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Post by: stitch101 on February 01, 2018, 07:00:02 pm
Did a little digging on their web site and the screen shot I posted is on an ipad
this is what mine looks like on an android tablet. you can turn off the chord display at the bottom.

(https://www.linkesoft.com/songbook/songbookandroidsongview.png)
Title: Re: music sheets on tablet
Post by: embishop on February 01, 2018, 07:33:34 pm
Thanks for the input Stitch I'm going to get the Songbook app, it will be nice to reduce the number of music books / make them more portable / organize everything. It will be a big project though!
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Post by: Joerfe on February 02, 2018, 01:12:01 am
Stitch has most of your questions covered.

I have purchased the iOS app once. It runs on three devices no problem.
I also bought the pc software which runs on a seperate license. But for a lot of work on songs I find it much easier on the pc.
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Post by: embishop on February 02, 2018, 03:08:36 pm
Thanks, I've got it on 2 devices now but am just going to use Dropbox to manage it online rather than buying that license. It worked for the first song I added! Anyway I'm glad this thread got started cuz I've been wanting to get everything organized. Should be a great tool.

M
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Post by: Joerfe on February 02, 2018, 04:22:52 pm
It still uses Dropbox to sync. The pc license only allows you to run the Songbook software on a pc which I think is better for typing a lot of tekst and if you need to do a lot of formatting.
Title: Re: music sheets on tablet
Post by: stitch101 on February 02, 2018, 04:34:58 pm
I find it very handy. I jam with some friends every Thursday evening. It so easy to search for new songs with the app
and add them. We use to download them then print out a copy for everyone. Then edit using a pen.
If you search using Chordie there is a icon in the upper right to change song to Chord Pro format.
Makes it easy to edit in Songbook.
Another feature I really like is Tag. I can go the Thursday Jam section and all the songs we're working on are right
there, no need to scroll through the menu looking for a few songs.
Title: Re: music sheets on tablet
Post by: stitch101 on February 02, 2018, 04:39:36 pm
It still uses Dropbox to sync. The pc license only allows you to run the Songbook software on a pc which I think is better for typing a lot of tekst and if you need to do a lot of formatting.

I do all that on my pc using notepad in windows once you know the codes it's really easy. All the codes are in the drop down
window in the edit section of Songbook.
Save the file as a .txt file then send it to my tablet.
 
Title: Re: music sheets on tablet
Post by: Joerfe on February 03, 2018, 10:48:25 am
I do all that on my pc using notepad in windows once you know the codes it's really easy. All the codes are in the drop down
window in the edit section of Songbook.
Save the file as a .txt file then send it to my tablet.

That’s a way to do it. I like having the interface on the laptop.
Title: Re: music sheets on tablet
Post by: BCDC on July 02, 2018, 12:37:06 pm
I am curious to hear what type/size tablet people use for these programs? I experimented using an iPad mini and I had continual problems with the music not scrolling fast enough, or scrolling too fast. I tried to adjust the scrolling rate, but it was a pain in the butt to get it right every song. I assume that with a larger tablet like a 10’ish inch iPad or the 12’ish inch iPad Pro that this would be less of a problem because there is more real estate to work with. What do people use?


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Post by: Joerfe on July 02, 2018, 12:40:44 pm
I’m happy wit 9.7” on my iPad3. Works great for Songbook.
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Post by: stitch101 on July 02, 2018, 03:27:08 pm
10" Samsung tablet. Works great and scrolling is not a problem.
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Post by: BCDC on July 04, 2018, 01:06:02 pm
Thanks for the replies Joerfe and Stitch101. I tried Songbook on my wife’s 9.7 inch iPad and the scrolling was much less of a problem. I only tried 4 songs, but they were all pretty good ‘as is’, downloaded from the web,  without needing to edit them. I think the 10.5 inch iPad Pro should work nicely. But, I am going to wait until September to see if a rumored 11 inch iPad Pro will be released. The 12’ish inch iPad would be great, but it is huuuuuuuge and I can’t see myself using it for non-music applications. Thanks again for your help.


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