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Title: Monthly competition general chit-chat thread
Post by: close2u on January 19, 2017, 10:42:57 pm
Chat away ....

Note ...

Thread created retrospectively by request of John here

https://justinguitarcommunity.com/index.php?topic=42044.msg365446#msg365446

 :)
Title: Re: Monthly competition general chit-chat thread
Post by: batwoman on January 25, 2017, 08:32:44 am

Whaaaaa hoooooo, awesome offer Justin, thankyou  :)
Title: Re: Monthly competition general chit-chat thread
Post by: john256 on January 25, 2017, 08:49:04 am
Oh while you're mentioning embedding links to entries... I'm pretty sure the forum is still using the old, unsupported SoundClound widget? Could you work some PHP magic on the forum backend?
Title: Re: Monthly competition general chit-chat thread
Post by: Rossco01 on January 25, 2017, 09:03:15 am
Brilliant idea Justin. Look forward to it. Just have to find a new song that inspires me now.
Title: Re: Monthly competition general chit-chat thread
Post by: chix2 on January 25, 2017, 09:31:30 am
sounds fun and intresting concept. yes i love the idea.   
Title: Re: Monthly competition general chit-chat thread
Post by: Joerfe on January 25, 2017, 09:49:56 am
Excellent idea, Justin. I am not an avid poster in that section, but you may have encouraged me to do more recordings.
Title: Re: Monthly competition general chit-chat thread
Post by: Cue Zephyr on January 25, 2017, 02:23:50 pm
Can I win once? I would like to chat with you about all the aforementioned subjects.

Don't worry, I'll earn it. ;)

Great idea, by all means.
Title: Re: Monthly competition general chit-chat thread
Post by: Fox Cunning on January 25, 2017, 04:13:47 pm
Great idea! I hope this will motivate some people to overcome their shyness and share their music :)
Title: Re: Monthly competition general chit-chat thread
Post by: randomlock on January 25, 2017, 04:46:52 pm
A golden chance to have a chat with my mentor . thanks for the opportunity .
Title: Re: Monthly competition general chit-chat thread
Post by: batwoman on January 26, 2017, 12:47:18 am
Great idea! I hope this will motivate some people to overcome their shyness and share their music :)

Fox Cunning I'm one of the people too shy (and too crap at playing) to post. This is a fantastic opportunity but I'll be leaving it to the shining stars and rising stars to claim their prize. 
Title: Re: Monthly competition general chit-chat thread
Post by: chix2 on January 26, 2017, 10:26:26 am

@ Batwoman im sure your not that bad, and if your shy you can always just wear your batwoman outfit, too keep your amaninaty (we dont mind)
Title: Re: Monthly competition general chit-chat thread
Post by: Joerfe on January 26, 2017, 11:06:59 am
@ Batwoman im sure your not that bad, and if your shy you can always just wear your batwoman outfit, too keep your amaninaty (we dont mind)

That's a great idea, Chix.
May I suggest to add a price for the best outfit?
Title: Re: Monthly competition general chit-chat thread
Post by: LievenDV on January 26, 2017, 02:19:52 pm
Not to push you Batwoman but this could be -the- opportunity to take that dive. :)
You can always "test" your recording by asking somebody for feedback in private; someone you trust or are comfortable with.
1.Recording yourself and listening to yourself is very useful.
The next steps is 2.polishing up to something you can publish and 3.daring to submit it :)
try to involve somebody in step 1 and two as "consultant" and it might guide you to step 3?
You have to create the piece yourself butthat doesn't mean you can't ask for help when it comes to helping you conquer the hurdles ;)

btw

-It doesn't have to be video! a soundclip is ok as well.
-It was never said that you need to sing on it.
Title: Re: Monthly competition general chit-chat thread
Post by: davidvac on January 26, 2017, 03:38:28 pm
Totally brilliant idea Justin. You've just given me the kick I needed to get my act together enough to put summat decent online. Thanks


David Vachell
https://soundcloud.com/david-vachell
Title: Re: Monthly competition general chit-chat thread
Post by: batwoman on January 27, 2017, 02:08:03 am
Wow, I'm blown away by the generosity, kindness, perceptiveness, humour and great suggestions here in this thread since I posted my stupid post. You are AWESOME people and I thank you for your encouragement.

@chix and joerfe, batwoman is only ever seen in a brief flash of greys and yellow. A video? Nah  ;)
@Lieven really good suggestions and I'll work on them. I've made a little recording for a friends birthday, lets see how that goes.
@close, I'm aiming at 'kickass' thanks for the goal. Thanks too for "Some day, some time, soon, you will look back at this and overcome your obstacle". I'm gonna believe this.

Huge and heartfelt thanks.
Title: Re: Monthly competition general chit-chat thread
Post by: Omar on January 27, 2017, 08:30:51 am
You just earned yourself a good vibe there, Omar. Very generous of you.

Thank you, Joerfe :) This is the least I can do for the community. I'm never as generous as the community is. I hope this offer creates more enthusiasm among all.  :D
Title: Re: Monthly competition general chit-chat thread
Post by: jono on January 27, 2017, 09:21:30 am
Having just recorded and listened to myself for the first time, I may skip this month's competition. No wonder the wife gives me the odd looks. And it always sounds so good when I am actually playing.

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Title: Re: Monthly competition general chit-chat thread
Post by: LievenDV on January 27, 2017, 09:25:14 am
Having just recorded and listened to myself for the first time, I may skip this month's competition. No wonder the wife gives me the odd looks. And it always sounds so good when I am actually playing.

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don't forget you can still post your recordings in de "audio & video" forum and ask for pointers!
Title: Re: Monthly competition general chit-chat thread
Post by: john256 on January 27, 2017, 09:28:04 am
Having just recorded and listened to myself for the first time, I may skip this month's competition. No wonder the wife gives me the odd looks. And it always sounds so good when I am actually playing.

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If you're not used to hearing yourself, this reaction is entirely normal. With singing it's virtually the norm, I don't know if you're referring to playing or vocals? Apart from the cringe factor of hearing yourself as others do, with the ability the concentrate on listen rather than on performing, low-tech recording can really make you sound bad if you have no reverb etc.

Definitely recommend posting on the "show yourself playing" forum even if you don't enter the contest. I got a bunch of feedback there as well as some confidence-building compliments.
Title: Re: Monthly competition general chit-chat thread
Post by: digger72 on January 28, 2017, 03:34:22 pm
Hi

Don't be put off by those early attempts at recording. Think of it like eating spicy food. The first mouthfuls you may think - wow that's blowing my head off, but over time you move from Korma to Vindaloo or Phall and wonder what all the fuss was about. :D

Good luck all.

Digger
Title: Re: Monthly competition general chit-chat thread
Post by: Rossco01 on January 28, 2017, 08:28:33 pm
Once youve done your first it gets a lot easier. Most people are their worst own critic, they spot all the mistakes and struggle to see the good. Most other people really wont spot them. Youll also improve very quickly AND the big plus on this forum is that youll get almost 100% positive feedback and constructive criticism. If youre still thinking about it listen to the beginners thread on AVOYP.

As an aside Justin is this going to start in Feb?
Title: Re: Monthly competition general chit-chat thread
Post by: close2u on January 28, 2017, 08:33:46 pm
@Rossco
It has started already. The February comp starts now, to iron out wrinkles if there are any and to give folk a little longer for this first one.
We have our first entrant already thanks to Amelie.
 :)
Title: Re: Monthly competition general chit-chat thread
Post by: tobyjenner on January 31, 2017, 07:47:43 pm
Justin

Bit late to the party but this is a cracking idea and will hopefully provide motivation for those a little hesitant to post recordings. Go for it. I'll certainly join in and post a recordings, once my darned left index finger gets back to normal, as my playing is just pants at the moment and my confidence is shot. But like Arnie .... I'll be back.

Cheers

Toby
 8)
Title: Re: Monthly competition general chit-chat thread
Post by: Rossco01 on January 31, 2017, 08:26:16 pm
Sorry to hear that Toby thought I hadn't seen as much posting as normal. I'm sure the rest wont do any harm and you'll be back to full strength soon
Title: Re: Monthly competition general chit-chat thread
Post by: tobyjenner on February 01, 2017, 06:51:48 pm
Sorry to hear that Toby thought I hadn't seen as much posting as normal. I'm sure the rest wont do any harm and you'll be back to full strength soon

Cheers Rossco. The nails about 60% of what it should be, so the tip wobbles. Just like being back in the days at the start of the BC before the calluses arrived ! Trying to adapt but just not happy with most of what I'm playing at the moment. Just gotta ride it out for now.  >:(
Title: Re: Monthly competition general chit-chat thread
Post by: Dhyanne on February 03, 2017, 07:00:29 pm
I guess I was thinking like a beginner Skype lesson where you could see all of us beginners at the same time on one screen, maybe like 5 of us at a time.

Oh well, I'll see what I can do.  Thanks bunches.
Title: Re: Monthly competition general chit-chat thread
Post by: BigSmoke on February 06, 2017, 09:46:11 am
AWESOME!!! ;D
 Great idea. More reasons for me to practise!!!  :P
Title: Re: Monthly competition general chit-chat thread
Post by: TB-AV on February 10, 2017, 06:11:45 pm
Fox Cunning I'm one of the people too shy (and too crap at playing) to post. This is a fantastic opportunity but I'll be leaving it to the shining stars and rising stars to claim their prize.


It doesn't have to be a video.. if that's your concern. Also some nice songs can sound pretty rough as a demo but perhaps the judges will notice structure, phrasing, general likeability, etc..

I doubt they are expecting to hear Nashville quality or LA flash.

eta: Oops, didn't realize this thread was 4 pages and you already your encouragements.
Title: Re: Monthly competition general chit-chat thread
Post by: Rossco01 on February 10, 2017, 08:52:52 pm
Come on Toby you know you want to  :D
Title: Re: Monthly competition general chit-chat thread
Post by: tobyjenner on February 11, 2017, 01:33:09 pm
Come on Toby you know you want to  :D

Rossco more than you know...........................................just need this damn finger back to normal then off we go, anyway gives me time to think of a suitable project  8)

TB - thanks for the clarification.
Title: Re: Monthly competition general chit-chat thread
Post by: chix2 on February 11, 2017, 01:51:35 pm

cant wait too hear something toby.. im sure it will be good once your finger has recovered. any thoughts on what you will do at all ?
Title: Re: Monthly competition general chit-chat thread
Post by: chix2 on February 16, 2017, 12:45:13 pm


Awesome nice one close2 Good vibes to you
Title: Re: Monthly competition general chit-chat thread
Post by: close2u on February 25, 2017, 10:00:46 am
3 days left for this first month folks.
 :)

Good to have entries from regulars and new members alike.
Any more ... ?
Title: Re: Monthly competition general chit-chat thread
Post by: john256 on February 27, 2017, 04:19:31 pm
3 days left for this first month folks.
 :)

Good to have entries from regulars and new members alike.
Any more ... ?
I've just got back from Tokyo to the UK and I'm travelling again tomorrow for a week so it was a bit of a rush but I got mine in. I'd hoped to multi-track vocals and guitar and maybe add some bass and stuff... another month :)
Title: Re: Monthly competition general chit-chat thread
Post by: TB-AV on February 28, 2017, 04:52:20 pm
A suggestion to the entrants... I just listened to the entries.

At least three of you have your final product output too low. I doubt it will make any difference as to  winning or losing this go round but it's something you are going to want to fix for the future if possible.

Easy way to check. Are you doing a cover? If so, place a copy of the cover on a separate track in your DAW. Switch back and forth. Are they close? Some of you are decidedly lower. Not a cover? Find a similar type performance. try to match up to that. Close is good enough.

The people that will be judging your entry will have to crank the gain for you, then if they forget and the next one is normal it will blow the speakers off the stands.

The other issue is that poor gain staging through your recording will hurt other aspects. Even if your song is good, it's going to be harder to hear that goodness. So let's say there was a near tie in decisions. The person with the nicer recording would probably get the nod.... especially since one of the contest criteria is something on the order of 'simply a cool recording'.

You should be able to get help in the recording forum area.
Title: Re: Monthly competition general chit-chat thread
Post by: john256 on February 28, 2017, 04:57:09 pm
Great points BUT of the entries I saw with these sorts of issues, most looked like they were simply recorded on a phone with basic recording apps - so no DAW or anything like that.

Maybe someone might come up with a little guide on how to record from your phone, or recommend some apps which at least let you tweak the volume.
Title: Re: Monthly competition general chit-chat thread
Post by: TB-AV on February 28, 2017, 06:10:56 pm
Same principals apply. It starts with source, be it a mic or a Virtual Instrument. It needs to be captured properly and modern phones are more than capable of doing so.

Title: Re: Monthly competition general chit-chat thread
Post by: Lord_Gigabyte on February 28, 2017, 07:30:11 pm
Wauw. All i can say for now is: great idea!
I'm not much of anything yet, but this encourages me to double down on my learning. Justin; here i come... :D
Title: Re: Monthly competition general chit-chat thread
Post by: close2u on March 01, 2017, 06:38:02 am
Final counting of likes, additional judging etc to commence.
Winner to be announced asap.
Plus two runner up prizes courtesy of Omar & myself.
Title: Re: Monthly competition general chit-chat thread
Post by: close2u on March 01, 2017, 06:38:40 am
It's now MARCH.

Let the 2nd monthly competition begin.

 :)
Title: Re: Monthly competition general chit-chat thread
Post by: LBro on March 05, 2017, 03:33:19 am
Ah,
Maybe I missed where it is at - but if last months contest entries are now toast that should be looked at. i wanted to hear the winners entry and came here to do so. Only to find all the entries are toast....???

Thus I suggest you either at least post the last months winner for a minimum of 30 days or keep the entire last months entries up for a period of time so people can refer to them. They might not get a tone of air play but if others want to hear them they would be there.

Thanks,
LB
Title: Re: Monthly competition general chit-chat thread
Post by: AdamT on March 05, 2017, 03:47:43 am
Ah,
Maybe I missed where it is at - but if last months contest entries are now toast that should be looked at. i wanted to hear the winners entry and came here to do so. Only to find all the entries are toast....???

Thus I suggest you either at least post the last months winner for a minimum of 30 days or keep the entire last months entries up for a period of time so people can refer to them. They might not get a tone of air play but if others want to hear them they would be there.

Thanks,
LB

LB,

I thought the same at first, but the February posts are still there.  Go to the "Monthly Song Performance Competition" page, and click on the "Archive Board" listed under the "Child Boards" at the top of the page.

Hope that helps.

-Adam
Title: Re: Monthly competition general chit-chat thread
Post by: LBro on March 05, 2017, 03:55:52 am
Good deal then!

I actually saw that little flag or sign but did not know what it was for. So I quickly bypassed it! Thanks for taking the time to point it out!

LB
Title: Re: Monthly competition general chit-chat thread
Post by: Rossco01 on March 05, 2017, 04:46:51 pm
Just a quick question in relation to month one, have the result been posted somewhere yet? I noticed Justin adding comments for everyone last night ( I'm assuming Amelie won based on those ) but just wondered if I'd missed the official posting somewhere
Title: Re: Monthly competition general chit-chat thread
Post by: close2u on March 05, 2017, 04:49:14 pm
Results in the newsletter.
I can easily copy them here.
I guess the assumption was that everyone subbed to the newsletter.
Yes
Amelie is the inaugural winner.
 :)
Title: Re: Monthly competition general chit-chat thread
Post by: Rossco01 on March 05, 2017, 04:52:16 pm
I think it would be a good idea to post results in the forum as well. Quite often the newsletter ends up in my junk box until I dig it out. Also might be useful if people want to look back historically.
Title: Re: Monthly competition general chit-chat thread
Post by: Omar on March 05, 2017, 05:17:49 pm
Results in the newsletter.
I can easily copy them here.
I guess the assumption was that everyone subbed to the newsletter.
Yes
Amelie is the inaugural winner.
 :)

I haven't received any email. Congrats to Amelie 👏👍🎉

What about 2nd place? Is there a link to recent newsletter?
Title: Re: Monthly competition general chit-chat thread
Post by: john256 on March 05, 2017, 06:01:28 pm
I never heard of any newsletter... Where do I sign up?
Title: Re: Monthly competition general chit-chat thread
Post by: LBro on March 05, 2017, 06:18:08 pm
I think he's been trying to get LBro Inc to donate a Marshall stack every quarter and a complete UAD Quad Appolo recording rig on the 6 months.

Well you know just the other day I told Hollywood that when she makes it to that big stage in Nashville, then I am looking for her to pick me up a shiny new Corvette. I'll go on record as having said that when the Corvette is parked in my Garage I will gladly donated a Marshall Stack to the cause!  ;)

LB
Title: Re: Monthly competition general chit-chat thread
Post by: Laila on March 05, 2017, 08:05:56 pm
Congratulations to Amelie! A great performance and a well-deserved win :-) And congrats to davidvac too, a really nice entry and one of my favourites.

ETA: and very nice of Justin to leave feedback on every entry. Encouraging and much appreciated!

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Title: Re: Monthly competition general chit-chat thread
Post by: Rossco01 on March 05, 2017, 08:35:21 pm
Yes well done both and appreciated your feedback justin
Title: Re: Monthly competition general chit-chat thread
Post by: chix2 on March 05, 2017, 08:36:53 pm
Congratulations Amellie well done :) + davidvac a worthy 2nd :)
Title: Re: Monthly competition general chit-chat thread
Post by: john256 on March 05, 2017, 08:53:36 pm
Congratulations Amellie well done :) + davidvac a worthy 2nd :)
yeah though obviously the competitor in me wants to win, I reckon these were the obvious ones to pick. Efforts will be redoubled for march!
Title: Re: Monthly competition general chit-chat thread
Post by: davidvac on March 05, 2017, 08:53:50 pm
Congratulations Amellie well done :) + davidvac a worthy 2nd :)

Thanks everyone. Well chuffed! And very surprised!



David Vachell
https://soundcloud.com/david-vachell
Title: Re: Monthly competition general chit-chat thread
Post by: digger72 on March 05, 2017, 08:55:32 pm
Well done Amelie.
Cracking performance.

Brilliant efforts all round.

Thanks, Justin for the feedback. Maybe a future lesson or two in the forum for us budding producers?

Let's make March's comp even bigger and better.

Digger
Title: Re: Monthly competition general chit-chat thread
Post by: close2u on March 06, 2017, 11:34:48 am
Official finalised results announcement.

Honourable mentions to all entrants, thank you and well done on making the first monthly competition so diverse, interesting and entertaining.

Winners, winning entries & their prizes:

1st (our inaugural winner - well done)
Amelie - Me & Bobby McGee
1 hour Skype lesson with Justin

2nd
davidvac - The Last Thing On My Mind
A digital download of Chord Construction Guide (https://www.justinguitar.com/en/PR-011-ChordConstructionGuide.php) (prize donated courtesy of Omar)

3rd
Rossco01 - Wonderful Tonight
A digital copy of The Comfortably Strange album 'Divided Joy'  (https://thecomfortablystrange.bandcamp.com/album/divided-joy) (prize donated courtesy of close2u)
Title: Re: Monthly competition general chit-chat thread
Post by: john256 on March 06, 2017, 11:57:46 am
Well done to all! Some great stuff.

I'm doing this mainly as a way to force myself to get used to showing my performances to people and get over my self-consciousness, but since a few people mentioned physical prize ideas - would Justin be interested in offering any of his song-books to the top 2 or 3 (or however he sees fit)? Maybe a choice of one of the printed books, signed ;)

I have no idea what song to do this month... could even do an original composition!!
Title: Re: Monthly competition general chit-chat thread
Post by: Endureth on March 06, 2017, 05:24:37 pm
Grats to all, especially Amelie, very well deserved, great performance.
Title: Re: Monthly competition general chit-chat thread
Post by: batwoman on March 07, 2017, 12:18:01 am
Congratulations Amelie, davidac and Rossco, really happy for you. Thankyou Justin for your generosity - the offer of this wonderful opportunity, the time you and others have taken to listen and to give useful feedback.
Title: Re: Monthly competition general chit-chat thread
Post by: Loefgren on March 09, 2017, 02:39:26 pm
Congratulations to the winners! Well deserved! And thanks Justin for your comments on my contribution.
Title: Re: Monthly competition general chit-chat thread
Post by: LievenDV on March 13, 2017, 10:54:01 am
So people, March is almost half way and it seem like there aren't much new entries yet.

I've seen some nice entries last month and since you can win only once per ongoing year and there 12 months in a year...are you shouldn't hesitate to try again!

Title: Re: Monthly competition general chit-chat thread
Post by: Garfield on March 13, 2017, 03:15:38 pm
I've just seen this thread. I'll be brushing up my David Gray and having another go later.

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Title: Re: Monthly competition general chit-chat thread
Post by: Borodog on March 22, 2017, 12:13:03 pm
Don't forget to use the "Like" button at the bottom of the submissions, everyone. I don't think Justin's counting comments. ;O)
Title: Re: Monthly competition general chit-chat thread
Post by: Julian on March 28, 2017, 12:44:35 pm
Don't forget to use the "Like" button at the bottom of the submissions, everyone. I don't think Justin's counting comments. ;O)
Hi,
Where is this elusive 'like' button? I wanted to 'like' dawnjess' submission.

from the Halls of Valhalla

Title: Re: Monthly competition general chit-chat thread
Post by: john256 on March 28, 2017, 12:46:17 pm
Bottom left of each post, it's quite small. Practice on this post!
Title: Re: Monthly competition general chit-chat thread
Post by: Julian on March 28, 2017, 12:51:34 pm
Bottom left of each post, it's quite small. Practice on this post!
Is it dependant on the divice you use, as I see nothing, nada, nix?

from the Halls of Valhalla

Title: Re: Monthly competition general chit-chat thread
Post by: DavidP on March 28, 2017, 03:30:35 pm
Is it dependant on the divice you use, as I see nothing, nada, nix?

from the Halls of Valhalla
I haven't spotted the Like button when accessing with the Forum app on an android tablet.  Do see it bottom left when using Chrome browser.
Title: Re: Monthly competition general chit-chat thread
Post by: mikeb2102 on March 28, 2017, 04:03:03 pm
Yeah it's naff using Android, the like button isn't there but it's there when I access the forum through my browser which I never really do

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Title: Re: Monthly competition general chit-chat thread
Post by: Julian on March 30, 2017, 09:44:29 am
I can see it in the chrome browser.
Title: Re: Monthly competition general chit-chat thread
Post by: Fourtwo on April 01, 2017, 06:38:26 pm
In response to John I've gone on the assumption that using the GarageBand drum simulator is ok and that's what I used for "Bring back the rain" in March's entry. I don't see why it shouldn't be ok as you have to create the drum track using the software. Good luck with it.
Title: Re: Monthly competition general chit-chat thread
Post by: john256 on April 01, 2017, 09:04:07 pm
In response to John I've gone on the assumption that using the GarageBand drum simulator is ok and that's what I used for "Bring back the rain" in March's entry. I don't see why it shouldn't be ok as you have to create the drum track using the software. Good luck with it.
I ended up not having time to do a multi-track entry this month though I did have a quick play with GB to see how easy it would be... I don't get on too well with GB...
Title: Re: Monthly competition general chit-chat thread
Post by: Fourtwo on April 01, 2017, 10:02:09 pm
John
After over 2 years struggling with (and hating) ProTools, Garage Band was very liberating especially the drum simulator which helps to provide a solid platform for any recording you make. I suggest you persevere with it and watch the following video, which has pretty much all the areas you need to get started:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZNCAGYENNc8

Neil
Title: Re: Monthly competition general chit-chat thread
Post by: diademgrove on April 02, 2017, 10:44:53 am
Could we create a separate thread for the winners? I may be on my own but it would be nice to look back to see a list of the previous monthly winners every now and again.

Keith

Title: Re: Monthly competition general chit-chat thread
Post by: tobyjenner on April 02, 2017, 12:56:23 pm
Could we create a separate thread for the winners? I may be on my own but it would be nice to look back to see a list of the previous monthly winners every now and again.

Keith

Makes eminent sense Keith. Keep this thread for rules, queries etc and another separate one to announce the winners. I'm sure it could be started with a retrospective post of Amelie's initial win.

Toby
 8)
Title: Re: Monthly competition general chit-chat thread
Post by: close2u on April 02, 2017, 01:23:03 pm
Your wish is my command
 :)
Title: Re: Monthly competition general chit-chat thread
Post by: tobyjenner on April 02, 2017, 07:51:04 pm
Your wish is my command
 :)

Cheers Close  8)
Title: Re: Monthly competition general chit-chat thread
Post by: diademgrove on April 03, 2017, 10:15:10 am
Your wish is my command
 :)

Thanks close2u.
Title: Re: Monthly competition general chit-chat thread
Post by: john256 on April 07, 2017, 12:15:29 pm
Your wish is my command
 :)
Were the winners announced for 002? I saw your winners thread... can I suggest you make it a sticky thread in this main section not in archives perhaps?

Thanks :)
Title: Re: Monthly competition general chit-chat thread
Post by: Endureth on April 08, 2017, 08:18:20 pm
Archiving the previous month's thread in such a way that we can no longer post in them pretty much shuts down discussion on the songs, congratulations to the winners, commenting on Justin's comments, etc.

I request allowing us to post in the archived thread.

Please.

With sugar.
Title: Re: Monthly competition general chit-chat thread
Post by: Garfield on April 08, 2017, 09:06:12 pm
I'm with endureth I wanted to say well done to the winners and thank justin for his comments. In addition to the archive thread  maybe the results of the previous month could be announced on a separate thread as well as being recorded on the archive. Or if someone has a better idea? I'm new to forums and how they work.

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Title: Re: Monthly competition general chit-chat thread
Post by: close2u on April 08, 2017, 11:03:58 pm
Can't you guys post in the archive area?
I sometimes forget what mod / admin rights enable me to do that you can't.
Title: Re: Monthly competition general chit-chat thread
Post by: close2u on April 09, 2017, 09:18:30 am
Archiving the previous month's thread in such a way that we can no longer post in them pretty much shuts down discussion on the songs, congratulations to the winners, commenting on Justin's comments, etc.

I'm with endureth I wanted to say well done to the winners and thank justin for his comments. In addition to the archive thread  maybe the results of the previous month could be announced on a separate thread as well as being recorded on the archive. Or if someone has a better idea? I'm new to forums and how they work.

Does this work for you?

https://justinguitarcommunity.com/index.php?board=180.0
Title: Re: Monthly competition general chit-chat thread
Post by: Endureth on April 09, 2017, 05:38:54 pm
Does this work for you?

https://justinguitarcommunity.com/index.php?board=180.0

You fixed it, thanks!
Title: Re: Monthly competition general chit-chat thread
Post by: Garfield on April 09, 2017, 06:57:25 pm
It does thanks close2u

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Title: Re: Monthly competition general chit-chat thread
Post by: redrhodie on April 22, 2017, 09:17:42 pm
Is it okay to like more than one song? I just discovered the like button and went a little crazy. So much talent!

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Title: Re: Monthly competition general chit-chat thread
Post by: close2u on April 23, 2017, 12:42:19 am
Yes
 :)
Title: Re: Monthly competition general chit-chat thread
Post by: close2u on May 01, 2017, 05:42:36 pm
FOLKS - as well as hitting the LIKE button if you do like an entry especially, can you also remember to hit the GOOD VIBES button for entrants.

 :)
Title: Re: Monthly competition general chit-chat thread
Post by: redrhodie on May 07, 2017, 11:56:29 am
+1! I can't believe he takes the time to comment on everyone's song. So generous of him!



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Title: Re: Monthly competition general chit-chat thread
Post by: redrhodie on May 07, 2017, 02:51:34 pm
I understand. It seemed like a big task for a busy man, especially one with a toddler.

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Title: Re: Monthly competition general chit-chat thread
Post by: redrhodie on May 07, 2017, 03:05:07 pm
Can we start posting May's songs? I'm assuming the winner was one of the songs Justin commented on.

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Title: Re: Monthly competition general chit-chat thread
Post by: DavidP on May 07, 2017, 03:06:14 pm
Thanks for the update, Close2u.

Disappointing but understandable ... did seem almost too good to be true  :) ... and in my case I have received so much constructive feedback from the Community, here and over in AVOYP ... not yet at the level where I need feedback from Justin to help my progress  :)

Cheers
David
Title: Re: Monthly competition general chit-chat thread
Post by: Omar on May 07, 2017, 03:29:35 pm
...not yet at the level where I need feedback from Justin to help my progress  :)

Don't undertestimate yourself 😉 Not winning the contest doesn't mean you aren't progressing. You're doing a great job, keep it up 😊
Title: Re: Monthly competition general chit-chat thread
Post by: close2u on May 07, 2017, 03:51:43 pm
Can we start posting May's songs? I'm assuming the winner was one of the songs Justin commented on.

Yes.

Wait & see.
All will be revealed.
 :)
Title: Re: Monthly competition general chit-chat thread
Post by: DavidP on May 07, 2017, 04:45:52 pm
Don't undertestimate yourself 😉 Not winning the contest doesn't mean you aren't progressing. You're doing a great job, keep it up 😊

Thanks Omar.

No worries.  I know this and didn't enter the contest to win, only for another experience of recording a song, sharing it and getting feedback.  And I got plenty feedback, so mission accomplished.

All I was trying to say was that at this stage of my journey, I don't need the feedback from Justin to help me ptrogress ... all of you give me great feedback and encouragement.  Though it would have been cool to have had Justin listen and give me feedback.

And am well on my way to completing my next submission, so never fear ... I shall keep practising, playing, and recording to track progress and get feedback.

Cheers
David
Title: Re: Monthly competition general chit-chat thread
Post by: Omar on May 08, 2017, 04:46:46 pm
Good luck @DavidP, I look forward to listening to your May's entry.

I'm practicing too, but still not sure If I'm going to enter the competition. I'll be extra busy by end of May where Ramadan begins, followed by the peak of my work in Summer until mid of September. I hope I manage to come out with something within a week or two.
Title: Re: Monthly competition general chit-chat thread
Post by: Fourtwo on May 08, 2017, 05:15:34 pm
DavidP,
I understand your motivations as mine are similar. Winning is not the objective for me either - just having the discipline of producing a song to an audience is very helpful in focussing attention. I've learned so much in the 3 months I've been producing songs for this competition and my all round musical ability has developed as a result. Hopefully at some point my efforts will reflect that!
Neil
Title: Re: Monthly competition general chit-chat thread
Post by: redrhodie on May 08, 2017, 05:24:02 pm
Congratulations to tonebender! Excellent job with Mr. Soul. I liked it more than the original!



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Title: Re: Monthly competition general chit-chat thread
Post by: davidvac on May 08, 2017, 05:42:17 pm
@ Fourtwo

Well said Neil. You just put into words what I wish I had said. The discipline of "doing it" and the feedback and discussion is absolutely reward enough.



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Title: Re: Monthly competition general chit-chat thread
Post by: redrhodie on May 08, 2017, 06:19:20 pm
I'm in it to WIN!!! All I can think about is how I can sabotage your entries, so I can WIN! If you're not in this to WIN then you're totally missing the point. This is about who is BEST. Second place? First loser! Get your game on, people!

Whew,  I got a little carried away. Must be the steroids. 😀

Seriously though, you all have been so wonderful. I do this for your thoughtful feedback, and the comradery. I'm finding the contest really fun.



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Title: Re: Monthly competition general chit-chat thread
Post by: DavidP on May 10, 2017, 05:32:49 pm
Congratulations ToneBender

Great song, great performance, well deserved.

Applause to Boro and Jenni as honourable mentions.

And hats off to everybody who participated.

Cheers
David
Title: Re: Monthly competition general chit-chat thread
Post by: LBro on May 11, 2017, 11:52:08 am
Many congrats to the winner ToneBender!

@ Close - The stuff I do will likely never qualify. But I have a thoughts on this "can only win once" rule. That is fine and I get it. But consideration should be given to possibly modifying that rule to:

One can only win one time in the competition per year or use some other set period of time! 18 months for example. That would allow for both conditions to be met possibly???

Just a thought on this end and if you think about it, in a given amount of time it is possible there will be few left to compete as few will be left in the non-winners pool!
LB
Title: Re: Monthly competition general chit-chat thread
Post by: close2u on June 02, 2017, 08:31:57 am
My apologies to all for the May competition.
I have not yet listened to or commented on any of the entries.
I have been quiet in the forum due to other commitments.
I shall endeavour to catch up over the next few days.
I'm not the judge & jury but I do like to get involved.

As to the judging, Currently Justin is in Italy running 2 consecutive week-long workshops.
I haven't contacted him  about this yet - but I am imagining hm being busy until he returns home.
Results may be delayed.


 :)
Title: Re: Monthly competition general chit-chat thread
Post by: Omar on June 02, 2017, 08:50:23 am
I'm not the judge & jury but I do like to get involved.

Your presence and comments are important in spite being a judge or not.  :)

As to the judging, Currently Justin is in Italy running 2 consecutive week-long workshops.
I haven't contacted him  about this yet - but I am imagining hm being busy until he returns home.
Results may be delayed.

I thought so. All contestants should get a compensation for the delay lol.
Title: Re: Monthly competition general chit-chat thread
Post by: DavidP on June 02, 2017, 09:55:23 am
My apologies to all for the May competition.
I have not yet listened to or commented on any of the entries.
I have been quiet in the forum due to other commitments.
I shall endeavour to catch up over the next few days.
I'm not the judge & jury but I do like to get involved.

As to the judging, Currently Justin is in Italy running 2 consecutive week-long workshops.
I haven't contacted him  about this yet - but I am imagining hm being busy until he returns home.
Results may be delayed.

Thanks for the update, Close2u.

I have always enjoyed your insightful comment, both for my postings and also all you share about other recordings.

But this is all voluntary, part-time, hobby activity for us.  So I don't have any expectations for you to live up to; just happy to receive what comes my way.

Similarly, not stressed at all about the result (might be different if I was trying/hoping to actually win, though I'd like to think not).  The fact that Justin takes time to do this, all out of love of music and desire to support us amateur novice musicians is almost unbelievable.  So I can wait patiently to see the result and whatever comments he may share, again on my submission or others.

My over-riding attitude is gratitude, not expectation.

Look forward to hearing from you when you have time.

Cheers
David
Title: Re: Monthly competition general chit-chat thread
Post by: batwoman on June 03, 2017, 02:18:15 am
My over-riding attitude is gratitude, not expectation.

Couldn't have put it better David.
Title: Re: Monthly competition general chit-chat thread
Post by: LievenDV on June 05, 2017, 07:41:11 pm
I need to go through all the submissions as well as Close2U and myself gather them all and present them to Justin and make a little overview. I'm happy to see that this little compo keeps getting new songs being posted ^^
Title: Re: Monthly competition general chit-chat thread
Post by: close2u on June 09, 2017, 05:13:44 pm
Justin back from Tuscany guitar workshops late Sunday.
Lieven also about to get stuck in.
I'm freed up from other commitments now.
May's competition judging delayed but not forgotten about!

:)
Title: Re: Monthly competition general chit-chat thread
Post by: redrhodie on June 09, 2017, 06:31:27 pm
Justin back from Tuscany guitar workshops late Sunday.
Lieven also about to get stuck in.
I'm freed up from other commitments now.
May's competition judging delayed but not forgotten about!

:)
No worries! I'm working on an exciting new project that's been keeping me occupied. Otherwise... the suspense would be killing me! Haha

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Title: Re: Monthly competition general chit-chat thread
Post by: chix2 on June 10, 2017, 02:36:10 pm


what you working on Redrhodie. sounds fun
Title: Re: Monthly competition general chit-chat thread
Post by: redrhodie on June 10, 2017, 03:11:49 pm

what you working on Redrhodie. sounds fun
Oh, it is fun! I'm collaborating with a new person, and it's very different than anything I've ever done. I'm pretty excited about it. It's one of those times where the road has forked, and I'm on an undiscovered path I didn't know was there. Hopefully I'll be able to share it soon. It's a different pace than I usually work at, so it might be a while. I'll make sure to let you know when it's done.

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Title: Re: Monthly competition general chit-chat thread
Post by: chix2 on June 10, 2017, 09:28:30 pm

@redrhodie

well that i look forward too very much, i already love what ive heard and listned too. working in with others can be a great venture, and challange you too. im excited too hear as you are too be doing. music is such a wonderfull platform, its one thats great too keep exploring.

Clare
Title: Re: Monthly competition general chit-chat thread
Post by: pkboo3 on June 14, 2017, 09:22:29 pm
Hey Redrhodie. How interesting!  Can't wait to hear what you are up to!


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Title: Re: Monthly competition general chit-chat thread
Post by: redrhodie on June 14, 2017, 09:45:41 pm
Oh, no! Now I've done it. I don't know how I'm going to live up to the hype!

I think it will be more Clare's cup of tea, Pam. It's very not acoustic. At all. Haha.

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Title: Re: Monthly competition general chit-chat thread
Post by: chix2 on June 15, 2017, 12:00:37 pm


im looking forward to even more now Red :) (will there be  a vid too hehe)
Title: Re: Monthly competition general chit-chat thread
Post by: redrhodie on July 01, 2017, 11:41:52 am
Congratulations michaal246!



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Title: Re: Monthly competition general chit-chat thread
Post by: Omar on July 01, 2017, 12:46:36 pm
Congratulations everyone! 👏👏👏
Title: Re: Monthly competition general chit-chat thread
Post by: DavidP on July 01, 2017, 03:28:37 pm
Three cheers to Michael, well deserving.

Congrats to fourtwo and garfield for being recognised in 2nd and 3rd.

And good vibes to all who participated,  commented and judged it.
Title: Re: Monthly competition general chit-chat thread
Post by: Fourtwo on July 04, 2017, 04:35:21 pm
Thanks to the judges for the recognition and David for his comments.
Neil
Title: Re: Monthly competition general chit-chat thread
Post by: redrhodie on July 04, 2017, 05:36:36 pm
Thanks to the judges for the recognition and David for his comments.
Neil
Loved your song, Neil. Congratulations!

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Title: Re: Monthly competition general chit-chat thread
Post by: Fourtwo on July 06, 2017, 04:31:08 pm
Thanks Red, appreciate it. Not sure whether I'll be able to write my own song when I get back from vacation though!
Title: Re: Monthly competition general chit-chat thread
Post by: redrhodie on July 06, 2017, 04:33:53 pm
Thanks Red, appreciate it. Not sure whether I'll be able to write my own song when I get back from vacation though!
Keep it simple. You can do it.

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Title: Re: Monthly competition general chit-chat thread
Post by: john256 on July 12, 2017, 02:24:23 pm
Saw the June results are up:

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Official results for June 2017.

Another month of great entries and tough choices. Well done and thank you to all.

Winners and winning entries:

1st
Jeni17 - Straddling Two Worlds
1 hour Skype lesson with Justin
https://justinguitarcommunity.com/index.php?topic=41791.0

2nd
Fourtwo - Over and Over
https://justinguitarcommunity.com/index.php?topic=41758.0

3rd
jihn256 - Don't Look Back In Anger
https://justinguitarcommunity.com/index.php?topic=41824.0

 :)

We don't seem to have a "discuss the results and congratulate the winners" thread, maybe in the archives since the winning entries thread is read-only?

I had thought I was in with a shot this month... because I thought Jeni had already won another month, that was clearly the stand-out entry in June! I'd not seen Fourtwo's entry until now, my what a polished performance. If it was playing on the radio I wouldn't notice it wasn't a 'real' version. Great job to both of you.

We all do this for the feedback and motivation, but the thought occurs that this could be featured more on the site, and attract prizes from sponsors considering the impact JustinGuitar has? Or is it very deliberately for the proper community members, keeping it 'underground'? I don't actually know if it's well-publicised on the site though - I reckon if I was a new site member who wasn't that forum-focused it'd be nice to know about it.

Maybe it's highlighted in the newsletter... I tried to sign up but never got the email. Could a moderator stick me on if they can see my email in my forum profile?
Title: Re: Monthly competition general chit-chat thread
Post by: Fourtwo on July 29, 2017, 03:33:33 am
John,
A bit late, but many thanks for the kind words on my June entry and good luck with your July song, which I thought was excellent.
Neil
Title: Re: Monthly competition general chit-chat thread
Post by: close2u on July 29, 2017, 09:47:15 am

We don't seem to have a "discuss the results and congratulate the winners" thread, maybe in the archives since the winning entries thread is read-only?

All entry threads remain open after being moved to the archive.
Do you mean a single thread to discuss all entries month after month?
I could set that up.

Quote

Maybe it's highlighted in the newsletter... I tried to sign up but never got the email. Could a moderator stick me on if they can see my email in my forum profile?

Announcements are made in the newsletter.
Did you get signed up ok?? I not send me a pm an I'll try to sort it.
Title: Re: Monthly competition general chit-chat thread
Post by: close2u on July 29, 2017, 11:43:25 am
Polite reminder ...


Please click the LIKE button

And

Please click the GOOD VIBES button

 :) :) :)
Title: Re: Monthly competition general chit-chat thread
Post by: john256 on July 31, 2017, 03:06:24 pm
All entry threads remain open after being moved to the archive.
Do you mean a single thread to discuss all entries month after month?
I could set that up.
Yeah that sort of thing... talking about winning entries, discussing ideas what to do, general chit-chat. The "Rules, prizes and how this is going to work" thread doesn't really seem ideal for that.

Quote
Announcements are made in the newsletter.
Did you get signed up ok?? I not send me a pm an I'll try to sort it.
Sadly not, I'll PM you. Thanks :)
Title: Re: Monthly competition general chit-chat thread
Post by: Fourtwo on August 26, 2017, 01:04:34 am
I'm interested in how others write song lyrics. Some of the self-penned lyrics have been excellent and I wonder how any of you approach the lyric writing. Do you write the lyrics after coming up with the chords or the other way around? Is the inspiration for your songs from the lyrics or the melody? A friend of mine once likened song lyrics as poetry to music, which seems appropriate. As one who has no interest in poetry and frankly doesn't really get it, where does that leave me vis-a-vis song writing?  Lot's of questions and I'm interested in your opinions.
Neil
Title: Re: Monthly competition general chit-chat thread
Post by: redrhodie on August 26, 2017, 04:46:24 am
I'm interested in how others write song lyrics. Some of the self-penned lyrics have been excellent and I wonder how any of you approach the lyric writing. Do you write the lyrics after coming up with the chords or the other way around? Is the inspiration for your songs from the lyrics or the melody? A friend of mine once likened song lyrics as poetry to music, which seems appropriate. As one who has no interest in poetry and frankly doesn't really get it, where does that leave me vis-a-vis song writing?  Lot's of questions and I'm interested in your opinions.
Neil
Hi Neil,

I approach it all different ways, but I'll focus on my song Sylvia Plath because it's fresh in my mind.

I wanted to make song with all major chords, so I came up with the chord progression first. I knew I wanted a happy song, so I tried to reflect that in the strumming pattern. Then I just played it for a while (actually, not that long. I wrote this one in two days). As I played it, the words started coming. My advice here is to not over think it. You can just sing la las at first. As you do that, the melody will reveal itself. Then you can start putting words in place of the la las.

As for the words themselves, you just have to see what comes, and decide if it's good or not. If you get something you like, start building on it. Think about the pattern of the beats and accents of the melody, and find words that fit it. If there is rhyming, find the word that rhymes, and make the others fit around it to that melody pattern. I think that's what I did.

Some of the best songs ever written are 3 chords. So start there. Keep it simple at first.

I hope this helps!
Lynn



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Title: Re: Monthly competition general chit-chat thread
Post by: redrhodie on August 29, 2017, 01:03:16 am
I'm interested in how others write song lyrics. Some of the self-penned lyrics have been excellent and I wonder how any of you approach the lyric writing. Do you write the lyrics after coming up with the chords or the other way around? Is the inspiration for your songs from the lyrics or the melody? A friend of mine once likened song lyrics as poetry to music, which seems appropriate. As one who has no interest in poetry and frankly doesn't really get it, where does that leave me vis-a-vis song writing?  Lot's of questions and I'm interested in your opinions.
Neil
Hi Neil,

I found a video I made at the beginning stage of writing a song. I think it might answer some of your questions. It's over in the AAVOYP section, in my song Sylvia Plath.

Lynn

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Title: Re: Monthly competition general chit-chat thread
Post by: Fourtwo on August 29, 2017, 07:28:04 pm
Thanks Red, you make it sound so easy! I get the chord part, but how and when do you decide on what to write the lyrics about? Where does your inspiration usually come from for the subject matter. Any else feel free to chime in here.
Neil
Title: Re: Monthly competition general chit-chat thread
Post by: redrhodie on August 30, 2017, 01:50:03 am
Thanks Red, you make it sound so easy! I get the chord part, but how and when do you decide on what to write the lyrics about? Where does your inspiration usually come from for the subject matter. Any else feel free to chime in here.
Neil
I'll try and break down Sylvia Plath, my song in the contest, to show you how my brain works.

I've been collaborating with my friend Keith, and wanted to write a song for him. His forum name is diademgrove. Diadem means crown, and grove made me think of branchy trees. So that made me think of "crown of thorns".

The image of a crown of thorns made me think of a painting by Jean Michel Basquiat. It's of an angel, but pretty scrappy and colorful. I didn't know what Keith looked like then, but this colorful messy angel fit my image of him perfectly. So, then I just needed to fit the image into the melody. I came up with this:

"Jean Michel saw your face in a crown of thorns"

From there I started thinking about how Basquiat collaborated with Andy Warhol. Warhol's most iconic image is the Campbell's soup cans. So I fit this next:

"While Andy ate soup from a can"

Once I had those 2 lines, I knew I was writing about Warhol. I was an art major, so this was something I knew about. All the references were things I remembered about him, his acquaintances, and New York.

One of his famous friends was Edie Sedgwick, a model. I came up with this:

"Edie looked at herself in the mirror and wondered if this is who I am?"

(which is also a nod to Edie Brickell, who wrote the lyrics "what I am is what I am, are you what you are, or what?" From a song that was popular when I was in college).

Warhol was also involved with the band the Velvet underground, led by Lou Reed:

"Lou went for a walk on the Westside highway humming a song to himself"

And so on. (He was also friends with Duran Duran, and since writing this, I can see his influence on Nick Rhodes' style).

The Sylvia Plath part was about my time in art school, where I read The Bell Jar.

"Best not judge this time unjustly."

I'm talking about the time you spend trying to be creative, which can seem like a huge waste of time if you fail to produce something good or meaningful. But it turns out even the failures are beneficial. You learn from your mistakes.

The bubble bath line is one of those things that just fit in and maybe means something, maybe not. It's okay to do that. You don't always have to make sense. Go for the good sounding word over the one that just makes sense.

I know I've just made it look impossible. Oops. But one thing just leads to the next. It makes sense when you do it, like walking down a winding road.

Just use your imagination, and write about what you know. That's probably all I really needed to say. Haha.




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Title: Re: Monthly competition general chit-chat thread
Post by: DavidP on August 30, 2017, 07:47:03 am
Thanks for that detailed walk through of how you wrote Sylvia Plath.  You make it sound so easy  :)

Now I understand why I only got some of the references  :)

Title: Re: Monthly competition general chit-chat thread
Post by: redrhodie on August 30, 2017, 12:39:54 pm
Thanks for that detailed walk through of how you wrote Sylvia Plath.  You make it sound so easy  :)

Now I understand why I only got some of the references  :)
Haha. I'm sorry. It doesn't have to be so complicated. Just listen to Hank Williams. You'll see how easy it can be. Nothing better than a 3 chord song about how you broke my heart.

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Title: Re: Monthly competition general chit-chat thread
Post by: close2u on August 30, 2017, 12:57:20 pm
It doesn't have to be so complicated. Just listen to Hank Williams. You'll see how easy it can be. Nothing better than a 3 chord song about how you broke my heart.
Or a modern take with a retro vibe - a simple song of desire ... thanks to Joerfe for the link
https://justinguitarcommunity.com/index.php?topic=17315.msg368738#msg368738
Title: Re: Monthly competition general chit-chat thread
Post by: Garfield on August 30, 2017, 01:04:32 pm
I bet you're good at cryptic crosswords Red.

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Title: Re: Monthly competition general chit-chat thread
Post by: Fourtwo on August 30, 2017, 02:14:28 pm
Quite right Gareth, I'm afraid my accountant brain won't allow free association like that! You must be fun at parties red! Thanks for laying it all out Red I'll have to think about how I can use what you've outlined to be more of a creator than a mere artisan.
Neil
Title: Re: Monthly competition general chit-chat thread
Post by: kontenda on August 30, 2017, 04:48:54 pm
I'm interested in how others write song lyrics. Some of the self-penned lyrics have been excellent and I wonder how any of you approach the lyric writing. Do you write the lyrics after coming up with the chords or the other way around? Is the inspiration for your songs from the lyrics or the melody? A friend of mine once likened song lyrics as poetry to music, which seems appropriate. As one who has no interest in poetry and frankly doesn't really get it, where does that leave me vis-a-vis song writing?  Lot's of questions and I'm interested in your opinions.
Neil
I'm new to this so I don't have much to say about my own approach - except I write the lyrics first like I've been given a school assignment - and then try singing them to chord sequences.

I know Bono just sings a mumbled garbage while jamming with U2 and then adds the lyrics later - and I think he writes good lyrics. I think lyrics are vital but they are secondary to the music. I don't think they necessarily have to mean something. One of my favourite songs of all time is 'Madame George'. I've listened to it again and again over the past 30 years - but I've no idea what it is about - and apparently neither does Van - but the words and phrases he uses work and are very important. Same thing with 'Don't Look Back in Anger' - it's unclear the meaning behind that song - and Noel put phrases in that he liked or he thought suited the music. That is not to say he didn't think about it - but I guess the feeling of the song was more important than the literal meaning.

And that's another thing - taking phrases you like or have heard before and using them as lyrics. Most songwriters carry a notebook to compile all the stuff that they like. "start a revolution from my bed etc..' is actually something Noel took from John Lennon. And I think that kind of thing is is common and perfectly fine. 

I like poetry but I prefer lyrics and will always read the lyrics of a song I like. They say write with the door closed - write for yourself - let it all out - then edit it - and when you think it is ready for public consumption - release it - but up to that point - just write anything.

I attach a clip of Sam Beam (Iron and Wine) where he talks about a song called The Tree By The River that took over 10 years to write - so it is not just inspiration. I think the lyrics he ended up with are incredible.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6nT911jkWEo&t=515

Title: Re: Monthly competition general chit-chat thread
Post by: Fourtwo on August 30, 2017, 05:30:23 pm
Kontenda
I generally agree that lyrics are subsidiary to music with some honourable exceptions where I think they're equal - Dark Side of The Moon, for example or even your song in this month's competition.
Neil
Title: Re: Monthly competition general chit-chat thread
Post by: kontenda on September 01, 2017, 03:15:35 pm
Kontenda
I generally agree that lyrics are subsidiary to music with some honourable exceptions where I think they're equal - Dark Side of The Moon, for example or even your song in this month's competition.
Neil
Thanks FourTwo for that nice compliment I can't comment on Pink Floyd as I've never been a fan of their stuff, but I think my own song needs work on melody, presentation and production - in other words the music should outshine the lyrics in my opinion - otherwise it is better left as a poem.
Cheers
Paraic
Title: Re: Monthly competition general chit-chat thread
Post by: redrhodie on September 03, 2017, 04:44:12 pm
Another month down! Good luck everybody!

Thanks for all the feedback on my song. I appreciate everything you all say. You've all made this really fun.

I'm glad I don't have to choose the winners. I don't think I could. If I missed commenting on anyone's entry, I apologize. It was an oversight.

I'm already thinking about my next entry. I'm trying a different approach this month. It might take me a while.

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Title: Re: Monthly competition general chit-chat thread
Post by: close2u on September 03, 2017, 05:50:18 pm
Results for August now announced (well done FourTwo) and early notice of a few specials in the pipeline for October/November/December.
Title: Re: Monthly competition general chit-chat thread
Post by: redrhodie on September 03, 2017, 07:32:23 pm
Congratulations Fourtwo!  Well deserved!

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Title: Re: Monthly competition general chit-chat thread
Post by: Garfield on September 03, 2017, 08:08:48 pm
Well done four two great work as usual. I forget can you still enter or not? I like your entries.

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Title: Re: Monthly competition general chit-chat thread
Post by: embishop on September 03, 2017, 08:27:30 pm
Congrats from me too, fourtwo, excellent song
Title: Re: Monthly competition general chit-chat thread
Post by: DavidP on September 03, 2017, 08:36:06 pm
Congrats,  Neil, well deserved...enjoy the lesson
Title: Re: Monthly competition general chit-chat thread
Post by: kontenda on September 04, 2017, 12:46:47 am
Congratulations FourTwo - well deserved.
Title: Re: Monthly competition general chit-chat thread
Post by: davidvac on September 04, 2017, 11:39:30 am
Congratulations FourTwo - awesome entry and well deserved.
 :) :)
Title: Re: Monthly competition general chit-chat thread
Post by: Fourtwo on September 05, 2017, 06:28:33 pm
Just found out that I was announced winner for August, which was a surprise as there were many great entries this month, particularly on the song writing front. I thought Kontenda had got it sewn up with his clever satire on current political developments(!?). The shame is I won't be able to contribute for a while and I've got a recording all ready to go! Many thanks to all for the good wishes, you're such a humble crowd, it's good to be part of it. Best of luck to all for September and though I'll be travelling now for a few weeks I'll try to check back in to have a listen to your entries.
Neil
Title: Re: Monthly competition general chit-chat thread
Post by: DavidP on September 06, 2017, 09:52:06 am
Neil,

You could always continue to post your songs in the AVOYP area.  In my experience you get as much listener-ship and feedback there as in the competition ... maybe even a broader group who seem to keep an eye on that area and engage than in the contest.

You just won't get feedback from Justin.  Richard (Close2u) does sometimes comment on songs shared in the AVOYP area but not a certainty as is his commenting in the Competition area towards the end of the month.

And for me, it is all about the feedback ... not so much the winning.  of course I'd be delighted to win and experience the lesson but realistically I think there are many more advanced musicians who's songs are better played and sung than mine (though I'm pretty pleased with my entry this month ....   ;) )

So personally I don't see any reason for you not to enter i.e. submit a song ... you just can't win.  But you'd still get the feedback from Justin and Richard.  Don't know what the rules would say about that?  Other than maybe trying to limit the number of entries that need to be listened to and feedback provided ...

Richard, what are your thoughts?
Title: Re: Monthly competition general chit-chat thread
Post by: Fourtwo on September 07, 2017, 01:08:44 am
David
Thanks for that, I'll post in the AVOYP area for a while, but I'll check back here from time to time to see how you're all getting on. Hopefully Justin will rethink this so that the population on this board isn't a shrinking one. The one great thing that sets this competition apart is that it acted as a deadline to complete a song, and I work more diligently with a deadline. Having said that I'm going to be on the road for a while so won't be at home to record for a few weeks anyway.
Neil
Title: Re: Monthly competition general chit-chat thread
Post by: close2u on September 07, 2017, 06:40:45 am
Neil,
You could always continue to post your songs in the AVOYP area. 

Yes, this. And I look forward to hearing more of those obscure goodies.

Quote
You just won't get feedback from Justin.  Richard (Close2u) does sometimes comment on songs shared in the AVOYP area but not a certainty as is his commenting in the Competition area towards the end of the month.
I make every effort to fully listen to and give meaningful comment on the competition entries. I feel that as admin / mod it behoves me to offer that commitment.
I would love to have more time to listen to and comment on many more in AVOYP but it isn't possible. This is a part-time voluntary role. Both Lieven and I have full-on full-time jobs, family, home etc.


A winning entrant can only win once within a year - I now see we didn't define that year as either calendar or 12-monthly.
It will be a calendar year.
So any 2017 winner is okay to begin posting again within the 2018 competitions.
I am aware that someone could win the last of the year then the first of the year so win two in a row potentially but that sort of anomalous chance is a small price to pay for clarity on the ruling.

Note: Oct / Nov / Dec announcements coming up soon, watch this space.
Plus further announcements for 2018.
Title: Re: Monthly competition general chit-chat thread
Post by: DavidP on September 07, 2017, 07:27:01 am
I make every effort to fully listen to and give meaningful comment on the competition entries. I feel that as admin / mod it behoves me to offer that commitment.
I would love to have more time to listen to and comment on many more in AVOYP but it isn't possible. This is a part-time voluntary role. Both Lieven and I have full-on full-time jobs, family, home etc.
Richard,

Your commitment to the Community and feedback is greatly appreciated by all.

I think many of us are in the same boat ... work, family etc ...making the most of a wonderful past-time that is music making, both in learning and sharing as well as offering encouragement and feedback.

Really can't thank you and Lieven enough
Title: Re: Monthly competition general chit-chat thread
Post by: close2u on September 07, 2017, 07:58:25 am
Thanks David.
 :)
Title: Re: Monthly competition general chit-chat thread
Post by: davidvac on September 07, 2017, 10:37:53 pm
Ditto. This is a really cool forum. I agree with the point about having a deadline to focus the mind - as well as the great feedback from everyone especially Justin and the mods. Thanks again


David Vachell
https://soundcloud.com/david-vachell
Title: Re: Monthly competition general chit-chat thread
Post by: john256 on September 11, 2017, 11:08:59 am
Out of interest could a past winner still post entries here to get feedback and be involved, but be disallowed from winning? I'd like to see the best people's performances :)
Title: Re: Monthly competition general chit-chat thread
Post by: john256 on September 11, 2017, 11:13:26 am
Just saw the special rounds for the rest of this year after September... very cool. I either need to bow out of the guitar solo one or do some serious practice!

Just to be sure, there's effectively a 2-week hiatus between the end of October and the Nov/Dec contest?

Thanks.
Title: Re: Monthly competition general chit-chat thread
Post by: close2u on September 11, 2017, 03:50:17 pm
Out of interest could a past winner still post entries here to get feedback and be involved, but be disallowed from winning? I'd like to see the best people's performances :)

No, sorry.

The Audio / Video of You area (https://justinguitarcommunity.com/index.php?board=28.0) is also for sharing, commenting, feedback etc.

As is: Guitar Challenges (https://justinguitarcommunity.com/index.php?board=134.0;sort=subject)

and Music critique (https://justinguitarcommunity.com/index.php?board=142.0)

and Collaborations / songwriting / projects (https://justinguitarcommunity.com/index.php?board=78.0)

In other words there are plenty of forum areas to post, share, enjoy, support, encourage, feedback etc.

We just want to keep the competition area slightly more restricted with some simple guidelines.

:)

Title: Re: Monthly competition general chit-chat thread
Post by: close2u on September 11, 2017, 03:52:23 pm

Just to be sure, there's effectively a 2-week hiatus between the end of October and the Nov/Dec contest?

Thanks.

Yes - October competition closes 31 October.

Nov / Dec competition opens 18 Nov and closes 10 Dec
Title: Re: Monthly competition general chit-chat thread
Post by: john256 on September 29, 2017, 06:41:15 pm
Gah. Finally got a half-decent take. My phone showed 30+ aborted attempts where I forgot the words, missed a high note, forgot the chord... most of them end with shouted obscenity before I try to calmly reset and sing a nice gentle song!

And I'm not even looking for the elusive perfect take, just one I don't **** up. I'm sure I don't stuff it so commonly when I'm not recording.

How many takes do you guys do? Just hit record and submit what you get, or spend weeks doing it over and over?
Title: Re: Monthly competition general chit-chat thread
Post by: davidvac on October 01, 2017, 08:31:15 pm
How many takes do you guys do? Just hit record and submit what you get, or spend weeks doing it over and over?

I usually rehearse it until I’m reasonably happy then hit record and hope for the best. Maybe a coupe of takes and then use what comes out. Usually, I regret not doing more!!
Title: Re: Monthly competition general chit-chat thread
Post by: embishop on October 02, 2017, 04:27:46 am
Well I seem to do much better when the record button isn't on, but since there's no proof of that I can't say for sure lol. I had a whole bunch of takes trying to record a song this month and then when I thought I got all the way through without mucking up I couldn't believe I forgot to push the record button. I commented on my post something about how do the pros do it, how many takes do they do to get it perfect. I thought after I posted though that maybe I should try 2 or 3 recording sessions, over a few days, rather than just playing it as many times as I can until I get something I can live with. That's going to be my strategy next time, more than one session.
Title: Re: Monthly competition general chit-chat thread
Post by: DavidP on October 02, 2017, 05:39:55 am
Most of my time is spent in learning and practising the song.  When I am satisfied with that i.e. good enough which means I accept the odd flaw, then I follow the Neil Young recording strategy ... record every take.  The first couple are normally not quite there and get deleted.  After that I save any that seem good enough and stop if I really like one and sense it won't get better.  When I start to make mistakes I treat that as the signal that concentration is now falling away and I pick the best of the saved takes.  Usually I think the published version is between take 3-6.
Title: Re: Monthly competition general chit-chat thread
Post by: Garfield on October 02, 2017, 02:13:02 pm
It takes me quite a while. I can do it when not recording but I always forget lyrics when I'm recording. I'll let all the way to the end and then go blank. It's really annoying.

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Title: Re: Monthly competition general chit-chat thread
Post by: Joerfe on October 03, 2017, 06:06:15 am
I do it the same way as DavidP. Let the recording device to On and play away until you feel that the moment is gone. Evaluate, and if it’s not there try another day.
Title: Re: Monthly competition general chit-chat thread
Post by: Bytron08 on October 10, 2017, 12:49:49 am
Ive pretty much have given up on guitar. I dont play like i use to. I mean its still there but i think im done. Ive played guitar for 10 years and i havn't made a cover in like a year. I don't have enough support so it hurts me that im saying goodbye. Ill still play guitar here and there but iv'e forgotton most the songs ive done. Listen to me at byron hemmings on sound cloud and FB. Feel free to add me. I think my fav one is stop crying your heart out. Thanks justin and close2u for the wonderful comments you posted on it. Peace.
Title: Re: Monthly competition general chit-chat thread
Post by: DavidP on October 10, 2017, 06:11:27 am
Sorry to hear that, Byron.  I personally loved listening to you play, especially that period when you were recording a number of different blues songs ... sounded great.  Be well, at peace and I hope you find what you are looking for.
Title: Re: Monthly competition general chit-chat thread
Post by: embishop on October 10, 2017, 03:19:17 pm
I don't have enough support so it hurts me that im saying goodbye. Ill still play guitar here and there but iv'e forgotton most the songs ive done.

I'm sorry to hear that too, Byron. I've only been around this forum a couple months but for me it's been a really good support. I've enjoyed the couple of things that you have posted in the time I've been here, whenever you recorded them. I myself have had a crappy year, medical stuff and other just generalized stress. Some days I'm frustrated with myself and not getting much further on my guitar, but most days I'm glad to get and give support for our mutual love of music here. It also feels like I've made a couple of friends on here, and that's always a good thing! I hope life goes well for you, and if you change your mind and hang around, that's good too 😃
Peace
Mari
Title: Re: Monthly competition general chit-chat thread
Post by: Garfield on October 10, 2017, 08:33:09 pm
Come on Byron you can't pack in. You're good. Drift away has been you're best cover IMHO I really liked that one. Keep going man, we're all only here once and we all need to get really good at guitar whilst we're here. What else is there?

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Title: Re: Monthly competition general chit-chat thread
Post by: john256 on October 18, 2017, 03:38:49 pm
Is anyone tempted to do an acoustic entry this month? I've never soloed in my life and am not sure about it, but if it simply means "play something cool over the backing track" I might try on the acoustic :)
Title: Re: Monthly competition general chit-chat thread
Post by: embishop on October 18, 2017, 03:48:26 pm
John256, I had initially planned to try something acoustic over the G major backing track, but that wasn't going very well so I switched to try the A minor blues. I'm finding that kind of clunky though so last night I switched back to G major acoustic. I hope to post something for the competition soon and not wait until the last day. So yup, I'm one person very very new to soloing and I'm planning to do an acoustic entry this month.
Mari
Title: Re: Monthly competition general chit-chat thread
Post by: embishop on October 18, 2017, 03:50:17 pm
John256 - you could also play acoustic over the A minor backing track. I was using a bunch of bends over that track though and I can't quite do that on my acoustic.
Title: Re: Monthly competition general chit-chat thread
Post by: DavidP on October 18, 2017, 04:26:36 pm
John, I was tempted. 

So tempted that I downloaded the backing track, cut it down below the 2 minutes and had a go on my acoustic with the Am pentatonic that I have begun to learn at stage 7. 

So no reason not to try playing lead on your acoustic ... afterall Eric Clapton does plenty of fine leads on his MTV Unplugged show  :) 

As for me ... there were 2 or 3 moments when a note I played sounded right with the backing, so have decided that I still have far more to learn and practice to be ready to actually try even a simple solo now and shall rather spend my time practising and playing/recording songs rather than jumping the gun into lead playing.
Title: Re: Monthly competition general chit-chat thread
Post by: DarrellW on October 18, 2017, 08:45:01 pm
Another little hint here, look at the notes in the chords as well as the scale.
Title: Re: Monthly competition general chit-chat thread
Post by: close2u on October 31, 2017, 08:00:12 pm
Now that the October comp time is nearly up I thought it might be appreciated by some to have reference & links to related threads.

The first is live and any / all new posts would be welcome.

The next two have been revived from the dark recesses and tied in with a series of Ustream broadcasts Justin did way back when - so they are locked and for reference only.

Enjoy.

Guitar challenges Improv in A blues (https://justinguitarcommunity.com/index.php?topic=16788.0)

Ustream blues in A (https://justinguitarcommunity.com/index.php?topic=26300.0)

Ustream G major improv (https://justinguitarcommunity.com/index.php?topic=25820.0)



Title: Re: Monthly competition general chit-chat thread
Post by: close2u on October 31, 2017, 08:12:28 pm
Here's something I uploaded some years ago ...

G Major improv from May 2011





I was moderately pleased with my playing on this.


And here, a hideous, excruciating, embarrassingly awful fumble over the A minor blues backing which was just a few weeks after I first learned the minor pentatonic from Justin's lessons - way back in early 2009.



Title: Re: Monthly competition general chit-chat thread
Post by: Omar on October 31, 2017, 08:27:33 pm
Thank you, Richard, for sharing some of your moments. It is always nice to share nice memories :)
Title: Re: Monthly competition general chit-chat thread
Post by: embishop on October 31, 2017, 11:21:42 pm
Thanks for posting, Close, and for the other older improv threads too. I think I'm now inspired to keep an audio (hopefully video) 'diary' of my improv progress

Mari
Title: Re: Monthly competition general chit-chat thread
Post by: DarrellW on November 01, 2017, 07:37:49 am
Hey Richard, not bad at all - liked the shades of Santana in the G improvisation, in the blues not so bad considering your lack of familiarity with the scale - oh and the Yam SG was nice, I had an older sunburst one many years ago, worst thing I ever did selling it!
Title: Re: Monthly competition general chit-chat thread
Post by: oldhead49 on November 01, 2017, 03:02:28 pm
Close, I really enjoyed those.  Really nice on the major, and I think you did well on the Am considering you had just learned the scale.  It's fun to go back a listen to when we were first getting going and then hear the progress over time.  Thanks for posting these.
Title: Re: Monthly competition general chit-chat thread
Post by: close2u on November 03, 2017, 11:43:55 am
I just saw this and thought it might help people focus on chord tones ...



Title: Re: Monthly competition general chit-chat thread
Post by: john256 on November 03, 2017, 11:52:22 am
That resonates a lot with my experiences... "but I'm just playing scale notes exactly like that guy in the lesson, he sounds good but I just sound like I'm playing random notes!"

Thanks.
Title: Re: Monthly competition general chit-chat thread
Post by: john256 on November 23, 2017, 11:57:14 am
So, last year I found a really nice intermediate level fingerstyle arrangement of Silent Night for a performance. I was thinking this could make for a great entry... a nice guitar part with a couple of vocal layers.

BUT I CAN'T FIND IT! It may have been here I found it but all my googling is to no avail. Can anybody help me... if you have a nice arrangement post the link in case it's the same or as nice? Justin's lesson is great but much simpler than the one I had.

I remember tossing the printed copy thinking "I'll just print it again next year" - aaargh.
Title: Re: Monthly competition general chit-chat thread
Post by: john256 on December 27, 2017, 10:52:01 am
Did the December winner get announced? I couldn't see it anywhere or people congratulating the winner.

I think I've finally gotten the newsletter to work (had to use a totally different email address) but I probably missed the announcement there since the plan was to send the winner stuff before Christmas! Who won?
Title: Re: Monthly competition general chit-chat thread
Post by: close2u on December 27, 2017, 11:42:24 am
A decision has been made and an announcement is imminent.

Watch for the newsletter and watch the forum thread for announcing winners.

:)
Title: Re: Monthly competition general chit-chat thread
Post by: john256 on December 27, 2017, 11:44:33 am
Thanks, and season's greetings to all at JG. I got a 2x2 audio interface from Santa, looking forward to using it in a future entry :)

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Title: Re: Monthly competition general chit-chat thread
Post by: DavidP on January 06, 2018, 03:54:51 am
Congratulations to Fox, John & Lynn ... well deserved reward for your fine entries.

I thoroughly enjoyed listening to each and every entry ... well done to all participants.
Title: Re: Monthly competition general chit-chat thread
Post by: john256 on January 06, 2018, 12:19:09 pm
Many thanks. I was most excited to find out via the newsletter, and by the generous nature of the prizes.

I'm not sure if I should yet have received any contact from anyone at JG, but following past problems with receiving the newsletter just to say if you did contact me, I haven't seen it!

Thanks again and congratulations to the other winners... And to everyone who entered.
Title: Re: Monthly competition general chit-chat thread
Post by: Fox Cunning on January 06, 2018, 12:35:19 pm
Thanks and congrats to everybody.
It was great fun and there were a lot of excellent entries which I truly enjoyed listening to.
Title: Re: Monthly competition general chit-chat thread
Post by: redrhodie on January 06, 2018, 12:58:30 pm
Congratulations to everyone who entered. Your songs were joyful and made the Christmas season so festive. I'm really honored to have been chosen. Thank you so much.

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Title: Re: Monthly competition general chit-chat thread
Post by: kontenda on January 07, 2018, 04:10:20 am
Congratulations FoxCunning, John and redrhodie. Well done to everyone in the competition it was a very enjoyable to hear all the entries.
Title: Re: Monthly competition general chit-chat thread
Post by: john256 on January 18, 2018, 01:40:13 am
You what 2018 means... All the previous winners are back in the frame. I feel February is going to have some amazing performances... Looking forward to them.
Title: Re: Monthly competition general chit-chat thread
Post by: milesotoole on February 06, 2018, 01:58:42 pm
Is there a Feb. contest?  Several people posted songs in Jan. - are we considering them for Feb. if there is a contest?

Thanks,

Nathan
Title: Re: Monthly competition general chit-chat thread
Post by: john256 on February 06, 2018, 02:00:55 pm
Each contest runs for two months (see the rules thread). So Jan-Feb this time round.
Title: Re: Monthly competition general chit-chat thread
Post by: Fourtwo on February 20, 2018, 02:32:11 pm
Only a few days to go of the Jan/Feb competition. Looking forward to hearing a new song from Redrhodie, more biting social comment from Kontenda and musical entries from other regulars.
Neil
Title: Re: Monthly competition general chit-chat thread
Post by: john256 on February 20, 2018, 02:43:38 pm
I need to get on this, I was contemplating a Nirvana cover (Polly or Something in the Way)

Title: Re: Monthly competition general chit-chat thread
Post by: Fourtwo on February 21, 2018, 02:46:04 pm
John,
Let's hear it! Hope you give it your best Cobain snarl!
Neil
Title: Re: Monthly competition general chit-chat thread
Post by: kontenda on February 25, 2018, 04:04:19 am
Only a few days to go of the Jan/Feb competition. Looking forward to hearing a new song from Redrhodie, more biting social comment from Kontenda and musical entries from other regulars.
Neil
Nothing from me this time. Due to travel for work I've been away from my guitar for close to a month. Just getting reacquainted today - rebuilding those callouses.
Title: Re: Monthly competition general chit-chat thread
Post by: redrhodie on February 25, 2018, 09:40:58 pm
I got mine in. I had no intention of entering until I read this, so it's all your fault, Neil. Haha.

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Title: Re: Monthly competition general chit-chat thread
Post by: close2u on March 04, 2018, 12:44:39 pm
I've just spent an enjoyable few hours on a snowy Sunday morning listening to all of the January / February entries.
Fantastic.
And the huge leaps-n-bounds improvements in some of our regulars is notable.
Picking a winner will be tough.
:)


ps

The March / April competition is probably going to remain an 'open' one for all-comers but watch this space for announcements.
Title: Re: Monthly competition general chit-chat thread
Post by: DavidP on March 04, 2018, 12:50:11 pm
Suppose better than a blue stormy Monday  ;)

I know I speak for all when I say how much we appreciate the effort you put in to listen and provide feedback.

Good luck with picking the winner  ;)

Title: Re: Monthly competition general chit-chat thread
Post by: DavidP on March 08, 2018, 04:48:32 pm
Applause and congratulations to Davide, Mari, Adam and Lynn ... inspirational productions from all of you.
Title: Re: Monthly competition general chit-chat thread
Post by: john256 on March 08, 2018, 05:08:28 pm
I haven't listened to the entries yet, am going to now. Sadly didn't get the chance to record anything... missed the chance to be the only person who could have bacl-to-back wins  :P

BTW - I haven't heard back from Justin about my prize after his first email. I'm in no rush for the lesson and he's super busy but I would like to get my T-shirt  so I can show it off in my future competition entries ;)
Title: Re: Monthly competition general chit-chat thread
Post by: close2u on March 08, 2018, 05:12:10 pm
BTW - I haven't heard back from Justin about my prize after his first email. I'm in no rush for the lesson and he's super busy but I would like to get my T-shirt  so I can show it off in my future competition entries ;)

John, I did send you contact details didn't I?
Is that what you used?

If so, just try again - he gets inundated at times and things can pass by unintentionally.
Title: Re: Monthly competition general chit-chat thread
Post by: john256 on March 08, 2018, 05:16:35 pm
Yeah we were in touch initially. No problem just wasn't sure if I should chase or get you to poke him ;)
Title: Re: Monthly competition general chit-chat thread
Post by: Fourtwo on March 09, 2018, 01:07:33 am
Congrats to all the winners for January/February, and especially to DavetheWave for his winning first effort. I know we've discussed this before, but I think it would be really unfair and unfortunate for Davide if his first entry was his last for next year as a result of winning. I'd be happy for Davide and any future winners to participate every time, and I'd be ok with them winning again. This competition, in my view, is a great way of focussing all of us on improving our performance and excluding anyone from it is detrimental to our potential development. I hope Justin can decide on a format in which no-one is excluded. 
Neil
Title: Re: Monthly competition general chit-chat thread
Post by: batwoman on March 09, 2018, 05:18:57 am
Congratulations this months winners  Davide, Mari, Adam and Lynn. Happy for you.
Title: Re: Monthly competition general chit-chat thread
Post by: close2u on March 09, 2018, 09:01:19 am
@ FourTwo..
Thanks for the comment Neil, I'll take it to the jg team as a discussion point.
 :)
Title: Re: Monthly competition general chit-chat thread
Post by: DavidP on March 09, 2018, 11:16:59 am
Congrats to all the winners for January/February, and especially to DavetheWave for his winning first effort. I know we've discussed this before, but I think it would be really unfair and unfortunate for Davide if his first entry was his last for next year as a result of winning. I'd be happy for Davide and any future winners to participate every time, and I'd be ok with them winning again. This competition, in my view, is a great way of focussing all of us on improving our performance and excluding anyone from it is detrimental to our potential development. I hope Justin can decide on a format in which no-one is excluded. 
Neil
Neil,

I have a feeling my immediate thoughts were the same last time as what I am going to share here now.  ;D.  While I see it a little differently, I think we share a common interest ...

The Monthly Contest is NOT the only way to share your music and get invaluable encouragement and feedback.  Before the contest came to be, members were getting this benefit posting here: https://justinguitarcommunity.com/index.php?board=28.0 (https://justinguitarcommunity.com/index.php?board=28.0)

And it was the popularity of this activity that lead to Justin taking it up a notch and creating the Contest with the Skype lesson prize as an extra incentive, to boost what was already happening.  I could almost see it as a "reward" from Justin to acknowledge the engagement from the members of the Community to perform, share and give each other feedback.

OK, Justin himself doesn't listen to AVOYP and offer feedback, which is a bonus of the Contest.  Richard aka Close2u, often does though not on every single recording posted, as he does at the end of the Contest month.  I have received much feedback from Richard over in AVOYP, no different to what he does in the Contest.

Personally, I am in favour of the condition that one can win once in a cycle (currently a calendar year).  Justin's mission is "to teach the world to play" and given that it makes sense to me that the benefit of a lesson with Justin be shared to more members in the Community in a cycle.  I see that as having a bigger contribution to the mission than if the same individual were to win each contest.  Sure they'd get more benefit but seems contrary to the spirit and intent.

That said, the judges' decision is final and based on a pretty broad set of criteria, with no requirement to elaborate on the rationale for why one person was picked over another.  So even without a constraint, the outcome of sharing the benefits more broadly could be achieved (if my reading of it is reasonable) by just picking different people as the winner.  But I prefer the transparency of having the criteria.

Another option, a compromise, would be allow winners to continue to enter, to receive the feedback from Justin and Richard, but not be eligible for winning again until the cycle resets.  Only downside I see to this is that it would take time from Justin and Richard to listen and provide feedback on an entry that is not in the running to win.

So I don't see that anybody is being excluded, other than from getting feedback from Justin.  Personally I have found massive value in all the feedback I have received from the Community.  Other than the initial thrill of a pro like Justin having listened to one of my recordings, the extra value I get from Justin's feedback is marginal.  And I would definitely take the deal for a lesson from Justin at the cost of not getting feedback from him on a few of my recordings (5 for Davide and fewer for subsequent winners).

Apologies for a lengthy answer, I guess I feel passionate about this Community and the incredible support it offers me and all other members who choose to be active members.
Title: Re: Monthly competition general chit-chat thread
Post by: close2u on March 09, 2018, 11:26:26 am
Very interesting comments @ David.
Much food for thought.
Title: Re: Monthly competition general chit-chat thread
Post by: redrhodie on March 09, 2018, 03:50:16 pm
Well, as someone who won in December, I feel sorry for the person who wins in January. That's a long time to wait to be able to participate again. If you win too early, it's kind of like losing. Haha. (Except for getting the lesson!).

I don't have any answers that wouldn't be more complicated for the mods, but maybe being eligible to win again after six months from the month you won would be more fair. It would make the waiting period the same for everyone.




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Title: Re: Monthly competition general chit-chat thread
Post by: redrhodie on March 09, 2018, 03:53:35 pm
Oops, I meant eligible to enter and win after six months. I'm not convinced you should be able to enter if you're ineligible to win.

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Title: Re: Monthly competition general chit-chat thread
Post by: Fourtwo on March 09, 2018, 06:24:09 pm
I can see the arguments all ways here, but I just don't think it's either fair or constructive to have Davide excluded for another 10 months, while Redrhodie was not excluded at all, just because of fortuitous timing. I hear what David P says about the AVOYP option, but without the clock ticking on timing of an entry I personally don't feel the same incentive to complete a song. I need the time pressure. Also, it seems odd that a great format, introduced to encourage people to record and extend their knowledge would also have rules that meant that the population of interested parties shrinks as we go through the year. There has to be a better way. Yes, it's a competition, but a very friendly one, and I can't be the only person that embraces this activity for the chance to develop my skills and share with like minded people rather than to "win". My preference is for the monthly winner to have his/her song posted somewhere prominently on the web site - to me that sort of kudos would be an appropriate prize. A Skype session can then be given to whomever Justin and Richard thinks deserves it or needs it most of all the participants. 
Neil
Title: Re: Monthly competition general chit-chat thread
Post by: justinguitar on March 09, 2018, 06:37:05 pm
Lots of interesting stuff here... the comp is quite time consuming for me and I need to use my time as best I can - just cos I'm so crazy busy.

So how about... the winner gets to dictate a topic that I then do an hour live stream on, with all those that entered invited for the chat (how??) and it's then shared later publicly on YT?

So make it less a personal 1 on 1, but a chat on a chosen topic by winner? I suspect a live streamed 1 on 1 would have less appeal, but I'm sure much of what I tell one person applies to many y'know.

Love the supportive community you have here and I'll support it the best way I can.

Re the winner time frame... I consider many elements when choosing a winner, and a previous win would certainly be something I consider, so a track would have to be outstanding and something I think I can help with before someone would win 2 lessons close together.

What think the community?
Title: Re: Monthly competition general chit-chat thread
Post by: Garfield on March 09, 2018, 08:40:05 pm
I don't really think the prize is all that important. Personally I don't really care what the prize is (don't get me wrong justin it was a really great lesson and I learnt a lot) but for me inclusivity is more important, I'd happily enter even if I couldn't win a lesson. I can and do share songs in avoyp but i like the regularity of this competition. It kind of focuses me and makes me record something that I probably wouldn't do otherwise. I think it should be an open field every month, hey its more fun with more people right? Justin why not mention this contest during a few of your live feeds? The most popular guitar teacher on youtube holds a monthly song contest but I don't think most of the youtube audience know about it as they aren't on the forum. I bet a bunch of them would enter and then discover the forum. Just my thoughts.

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Title: Re: Monthly competition general chit-chat thread
Post by: DavidP on March 09, 2018, 09:03:41 pm
Wow, this became quite a conversation  :)

I am generally fascinated by motivation as a topic so find the different perspectives intriguing...intrinsic vs extrinsic.

Re lessons/prize ... well, the site is chock full of lessons. And although the lessons are not interactive, I find myself feeling a sense of persnoal connection when watching and working through the lessons of the BC.
So while I never seriously expected to win the monthly competition, I confess I dreamed about what that one-one lesson might be like, what I might focus on.

An online group discussion would be interesting also.  I think easily done with Skype...as far as I know it allows for multiple people to be connected.  And if not Skype there are other services that do this.

I think Lynn's idea to limit the ineligible period made a lot of sense.

The Competition is very much a cherry on the top of a well made and iced cake for me, so will participate  whatever form as best as I can.  I make a (small) monthly donation to do my bit towards keeping the site up and the lessons freely available with ongoing material being added.  That is really what is important for me and for future folk who will discover JustinGuitar and benefit as I have done.

Then there is also this area: https://justinguitarcommunity.com/index.php?board=134.0 (https://justinguitarcommunity.com/index.php?board=134.0)

Not much activity there.  Want a challenge ... commit to take the guitar challenge, do it in public on the community, one challenge per month in order, or maybe could say the challenge is to take challenges I-X before Christmas 2018, or something else that creates a regular cadence.  You could even declare your own unique challenge, like Oldhead did when he challenged himself to record a bunch of festive season tunes.  And maybe Justin could create a T-shirt that you can only buy if you have completed the challenges, or something else to add some incentive (for those who get additional motivation from an incentive)

Meanwhile ... is the Mar/Apr comp an open one  ;)
Title: Re: Monthly competition general chit-chat thread
Post by: Fourtwo on March 10, 2018, 01:22:26 am
I like Justin's idea of the winner choosing the topic and others open to join in on the stream, especially if it means no-one is disqualified from entering the comp. Scheduling it so that many can participate might be difficult but not impossible. I also like Gareth's ideas for getting the word out about the comp and having more participants.
Neil
Title: Re: Monthly competition general chit-chat thread
Post by: redrhodie on March 10, 2018, 12:26:21 pm
I'm sure there are people who have been trying to win the lesson for the past year who will be disappointed. But I think Justin should do what is best for him. Maybe he can decide each contest what the prize will be. If there's one clear winner, it can be a private Skype, or if there are multiple winners like we had in December, make it a group lesson. Just an idea. It keeps the private lesson on the table for those who really want it, but gives Justin some freedom to do something else.

It seems Justin has a handle on whether someone has already won, and won't pick them again too soon, so I don't see why everyone who wants to can't enter. That was my concern, but he's solved that.

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Title: Re: Monthly competition general chit-chat thread
Post by: john256 on March 10, 2018, 12:42:53 pm
Personally I think a lesson with Justin is a pretty amazing prize and a real incentive... It would be a shame to lose this.

I do think we have a little community here separate even from the other performance forums. The competitive aspect does motivate me, and being selected as runner up/winner in the past gives me more self belief, but it would be sad being excluded.

If be happy if previous winners weren't excluded, and trust Justin's discretion. The winner is maybe not necessarily the best performance each month, but could include recognition of improvement etc.

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Title: Re: Monthly competition general chit-chat thread
Post by: pkboo3 on March 10, 2018, 02:29:47 pm
Oh I just discovered this thread!  Interesting thoughts. I still would love a one on one with a real guitar teacher. I don’t take lessons from anyone so this is it for me other than extra books I’m using like Mel Banks and US School of Music. Or if there is a song I’m interested in learning and Justin’s not teaching it, I will search for instruction on YouTube. So a one-on-one would be nice. A group chat would be OK if we could actually get our questions and answers in that concern each individual. Just my thoughts as we go along.


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Title: Re: Monthly competition general chit-chat thread
Post by: milesotoole on March 10, 2018, 07:05:19 pm
Might be stupid, but......Let the non-entrants in the community have a vote (or some sort of share in) determining the winner? ...possibly taking some of the time demand off of your plate?


Title: Re: Monthly competition general chit-chat thread
Post by: batwoman on March 11, 2018, 12:07:00 am
Might be stupid, but......Let the non-entrants in the community have a vote (or some sort of share in) determining the winner? ...possibly taking some of the time demand off of your plate?

That's already happening. Clicking the LIKE button gives everyone a way of 'voting' and of course we can always comment.
Title: Re: Monthly competition general chit-chat thread
Post by: close2u on March 11, 2018, 10:55:59 am
Wow, this became quite a conversation  :)

Hasn't it.
It's great that so many feel passionately about it.
Quote
Meanwhile ... is the Mar/Apr comp an open one  ;)

YES

 :)
Title: Re: Monthly competition general chit-chat thread
Post by: DavidP on March 11, 2018, 01:37:07 pm
Hasn't it.
It's great that so many feel passionately about it.
YES

 :)
Thanks Richard.
Title: Re: Monthly competition general chit-chat thread
Post by: embishop on March 11, 2018, 04:14:35 pm
I think Justin should do what is best for him.

I agree with Lynn. I'd love to win a lesson with Justin because I think he's simply the best guitar teacher and he could really help me map out my ever-changing learning path into the best path. But I also love this community and would keep participating in the community whether the current competition changes or not. So much stuff goes on in life and I'm so grateful for the music, and the space and the freedom and the joy it gives me.

Keep playing :)

Mari
Title: Re: Monthly competition general chit-chat thread
Post by: close2u on May 02, 2018, 08:47:33 am
Wow.
May.
It's listening, commenting and judging time.
Can't wait.
Title: Re: Monthly competition general chit-chat thread
Post by: Bissrok on June 18, 2018, 11:23:56 am
I'm a little unclear as to what's going on with the contest.  Is it just on hold, for the moment?

I feel like it would be nice to still have, even if there weren't prizes.
Title: Re: Monthly competition general chit-chat thread
Post by: DavidP on June 18, 2018, 12:28:45 pm
Contest still running. The period for each contest was changed to two months. May June contest underway and entries have been submitted. It is a general contest, no specific requirements over the general rules.
Title: Re: Monthly competition general chit-chat thread
Post by: close2u on July 02, 2018, 09:05:18 pm
Apologies.

I'm currently snowed under with work doing daytime / evening / weekend work on three different jobs.
It will be like this for another two weeks.

So I am struggling to find time to really listen to and comment on the competition this time round..
Please bear with me.


Justin is also super busy as he has been away on a week-long residential.


Fingers crossed Lieven can keep things going ...


It is on the to-do list.


Sorry.

:)
Title: Re: Monthly competition general chit-chat thread
Post by: DavidP on July 02, 2018, 10:02:14 pm
Thanks for letting us know, Richard.

If there'll be some delay on final comments on this one, can you let us know the format for the Jul/Aug contest?

Hope the jobs go well.
Title: Re: Monthly competition general chit-chat thread
Post by: batwoman on July 03, 2018, 03:15:07 am
Apologies.

I'm currently snowed under with work doing daytime / evening / weekend work on three different jobs.
It will be like this for another two weeks.

So I am struggling to find time to really listen to and comment on the competition this time round..
Please bear with me.

Sorry.

:)

Knowing that the work you do here is a gift to us, or to put it another way, unpaid and voluntary, there's no need for an apology Close.

Please take care of yourself.

Thankyou for all you do for us.
Title: Re: Monthly competition general chit-chat thread
Post by: close2u on July 03, 2018, 07:13:24 am
THanks David, Batwoman.


What I will do is move the May / June entries leaving an open space for the upcoming July / August entries to start.


It is a normal month in terms of entries / style / rules etc.

I am going to suggest a change of theme for Sep / Oct and see what the others think.
And Nov / Dec may be festive themed again.
Watch this space.
Title: Re: Monthly competition general chit-chat thread
Post by: DavidP on July 03, 2018, 11:12:39 am
Thanks very much, Richard, much appreciated as always
Title: Re: Monthly competition general chit-chat thread
Post by: close2u on July 09, 2018, 02:01:44 pm
ATTENTION


ATTENTION


Please do not place any entries for July yet … it looks likely there is a going to be a rule change.

Thanks for your patience in judging the May / June entries and please bear with us
:)
Title: Re: Monthly competition general chit-chat thread
Post by: john256 on July 09, 2018, 03:58:45 pm
ATTENTION


ATTENTION


Please do not place any entries for July yet … it looks likely there is a going to be a rule change.

Thanks for your patience in judging the May / June entries and please bear with us
:)
Every single entry has to be a cover of "It's coming home?"
Title: Re: Monthly competition general chit-chat thread
Post by: DarrellW on July 09, 2018, 04:29:32 pm
^^^^^^ 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Title: Re: Monthly competition general chit-chat thread
Post by: MrBumble on July 09, 2018, 05:42:03 pm
Oh......is there some football on?
Title: Re: Monthly competition general chit-chat thread
Post by: Garfield on July 09, 2018, 08:34:22 pm
I was going to cover that! Just learnt it. Hopefully I'll get to play it for a bit longer.....

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Title: Re: Monthly competition general chit-chat thread
Post by: close2u on July 09, 2018, 09:18:25 pm
Good to see you seeing the funny side of it.

One more week of 3 jobs plus extra as and when I can for me so I should be on the case and doing my part of the judging hopefully from this coming Saturday.
Title: Re: Monthly competition general chit-chat thread
Post by: DavidP on July 09, 2018, 10:00:45 pm
Good to see you seeing the funny side of it.

One more week of 3 jobs plus extra as and when I can for me so I should be on the case and doing my part of the judging hopefully from this coming Saturday.
Thanks Richard and don't stress.

As keen as I always am to receive feedback, I appreciate the extra effort you and Justin dedicate to this, over and above everyday matters. Generally you are really prompt, so no worries on a little delay.
Title: Re: Monthly competition general chit-chat thread
Post by: milesotoole on July 19, 2018, 04:27:03 am
I'd like to put something together for the July competition as I have some song ideas brewing.  Any sneak peek at what the new rules might have in store?

Thanks a lot,

Nathan
Title: Re: Monthly competition general chit-chat thread
Post by: close2u on July 19, 2018, 07:07:33 am
@ Nathan - sorry … no announcement just yet … on-going discussions still underway.


To all willing and potential entrants ... thak you once again for your patience both in the judging of the recently closed entries and in the announcement of the next.

It looks like one change will be to duration so you will have the remainder of July and August and September to get the next entries in when the format is announced.

Thanks
Richard
:)
Title: Re: Monthly competition general chit-chat thread
Post by: DavidP on July 19, 2018, 08:12:09 pm
Thanks Richard,  looking forward with great curiousity, hopjng it will be in my play-grade to participate.
Title: Re: Monthly competition general chit-chat thread
Post by: close2u on October 09, 2018, 10:26:53 am
CONGRATULATIONS

DavidP

:)
Title: Re: Monthly competition general chit-chat thread
Post by: DavidP on October 09, 2018, 10:57:26 am
CONGRATULATIONS

DavidP

:)

Thanks Richard

WOW

That smile isn't big enough !!

As always in my mind every entry was worthy in its own way, so am delighted to be the one picked.  Unbelievable.
Title: Re: Monthly competition general chit-chat thread
Post by: DarrellW on October 09, 2018, 11:05:16 am
Very well deserved David, just shows that you don’t need to be an expert to win here!
Good vibes to you 👍👍👍
Title: Re: Monthly competition general chit-chat thread
Post by: max_mue on October 09, 2018, 11:07:54 am
Congratulations David!!! Great work & have fun :)
Title: Re: Monthly competition general chit-chat thread
Post by: Fox Cunning on October 09, 2018, 11:56:01 am
Take another bow, David. Well done indeed!
Title: Re: Monthly competition general chit-chat thread
Post by: LievenDV on October 09, 2018, 12:18:27 pm
Congratulations! :D
Title: Re: Monthly competition general chit-chat thread
Post by: kontenda on October 09, 2018, 12:24:29 pm
Congratulations David! Well deserved win - enjoy your lesson.
Title: Re: Monthly competition general chit-chat thread
Post by: embishop on October 09, 2018, 12:41:17 pm
Congratulations David! Can you hear me cheering for you on the other side of the world?? This is a very well deserved win, I’m super happy for you 😃

Mari
Title: Re: Monthly competition general chit-chat thread
Post by: redrhodie on October 09, 2018, 12:42:54 pm
Yay! Well deserved, David!

Lynn

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Title: Re: Monthly competition general chit-chat thread
Post by: Balamuthiah on October 09, 2018, 01:08:55 pm
Congratulations David! Well deserved win! :)
Title: Re: Monthly competition general chit-chat thread
Post by: DavidP on October 09, 2018, 02:37:25 pm
Thanks everyone. 

You are all incredibly generous and encouraging, supporting me along the way listening to the posts, offering suggestions and answering many questions.

It all means a great deal to me and friendships here are special.
Title: Re: Monthly competition general chit-chat thread
Post by: Omar on October 09, 2018, 03:37:37 pm
Congratulations!!!!!!!!! Well done David!!
Title: Re: Monthly competition general chit-chat thread
Post by: brianlarsen on October 09, 2018, 05:26:56 pm
Congratulations David!
First original and well deserved win 😀
You're on a (rock n) roll 😉
Title: Re: Monthly competition general chit-chat thread
Post by: oldhead49 on October 09, 2018, 06:16:47 pm
Just saw this. Outstanding, David. Truly happy for you.
Congratulations


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Title: Re: Monthly competition general chit-chat thread
Post by: close2u on October 09, 2018, 07:39:26 pm
David, you truly embody the spirit of our justinguitar community.
 You exemplify generosity, supportive encouragement and paying-it-forward. You put yourself out there (in AVOYP and the competitions) willing to receive critique in order to better yourself. You are an avid learner and always welcome the advice offered in good spirit. You pass on what you learn and share it willingly with others stepping along just behind you and your learning path.

So i wish to offer big congratulations on your win. It too exemplifies so much - not the least of which is the embracing of the remit that Lieven set before us ... to enter a song of 'happiness'.

I'm sending a pm to help contact Justin for the SKYPE.


Richard

:)
Title: Re: Monthly competition general chit-chat thread
Post by: Garfield on October 09, 2018, 09:13:13 pm
Congratulations David. You were nailed on this month a well deserved win. Have a great lesson.

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Title: Re: Monthly competition general chit-chat thread
Post by: DavidP on October 09, 2018, 10:06:54 pm
Thank you all so much. The generousity of all the congratulations is truly special for me.

Richard, I'm at a loss for words, which is rare. Thank you. This community is special and gives me so much, I'm just happy to be a part of it and contribute.
Title: Re: Monthly competition general chit-chat thread
Post by: batwoman on October 10, 2018, 12:42:22 am
CONGRATULATIONS DAVID  :) :) :)

I echo the words of those before me, particularly Richards. To say it once more, this is richly deserved. So very happy for you. 

Title: Re: Monthly competition general chit-chat thread
Post by: DavidP on October 10, 2018, 04:46:00 am
Thanks again Maggie.

I'm really feeling the love here.

 :)
Title: Re: Monthly competition general chit-chat thread
Post by: Fourtwo on October 10, 2018, 01:32:01 pm
Big thumbs up David, it was never in doubt!
Enjoy the Skype session with Justin.
Neil
Title: Re: Monthly competition general chit-chat thread
Post by: DavidP on October 10, 2018, 04:11:14 pm
Thanks very much, Neil.

Lesson will be super special.
Title: Re: Monthly competition general chit-chat thread
Post by: close2u on November 27, 2018, 10:32:45 am
Looking forward to the first entries coming soon :)
Title: Re: Monthly competition general chit-chat thread
Post by: close2u on December 09, 2018, 04:44:35 pm
I came on to post a comment along the lines of …


COME ON ALREADY !!!

WHERE ARE THE ENTRIES ???

IT'S CHRISTMAS SONG TIME ROUND ABOUT NOW !!!

ha ha

or should I put ho ho ho?

Mrs C and I visited friends yesterday for a festive get together and got the guitar / ukulele and some festive cheer out for a seasonal sing-along.
So I am hoping very much to hear some cracking entries in here very soon.



Then along come DavidP / max_mue and pkboo3 making the first entry!

:) :) :) :) :)
Title: Re: Monthly competition general chit-chat thread
Post by: DavidP on December 09, 2018, 05:55:12 pm
I came on to post a comment along the lines of …


COME ON ALREADY !!!

WHERE ARE THE ENTRIES ???

IT'S CHRISTMAS SONG TIME ROUND ABOUT NOW !!!

ha ha

or should I put ho ho ho?

Mrs C and I visited friends yesterday for a festive get together and got the guitar / ukulele and some festive cheer out for a seasonal sing-along.
So I am hoping very much to hear some cracking entries in here very soon.



Then along come DavidP / max_mue and pkboo3 making the first entry!

:) :) :) :) :)

Ho Ho Ho

Can still post it up since you said "entries"  ;D

Guess there'll be a rush in the final week, since may folk mentioned being involved with projects for this Contest.  But it takes more effort than one imagines to pull it altogether.

So, be patient as I am sure you'll be flooded with festive cheer shortly.
Title: Re: Monthly competition general chit-chat thread
Post by: close2u on December 12, 2018, 11:21:17 am
go on go on go on go on go on

:)
Title: Re: Monthly competition general chit-chat thread
Post by: close2u on December 22, 2018, 09:54:45 am
I have just written a message to Justin & Lieven … and thought part of it was worth sharing in here.

Because this collaborative competition has turned out to be inspiring and impressive and thrilling.
Take a look at the truly transcontinental, multinational effort from all involved.
Wow.

In no particular order:

a] Silent Night Digger (England) & Katja (Germany)

b] The Last Snowflake BrianLarsen (England) & FourTwo (Bermuda) & Chris (country ?) [plus help with the video from Steve, Robert & Shana]

c] White Christmas embishop & KristaR (Canada)

d] Christmas (Baby Please Come Home) DavidP (South Africa) pkboo3 (USA) max_mue (Germany)

e] All I Want For Christmas Garfield & Kerrie (USA)

f] God Rest Ye Merry Gentlemen diademgrove (England) redrhodie & Dave (USA)

g] Run Run Rudolph schlaffenwagen (Russia) KasperFaurby (Denmark) Batwoman (Australia) Balamuthia (USA) Kevin (France) Ju (France)

(http://www.sherv.net/cm/emo/christmas/santa-dance.gif) (http://www.sherv.net/)
Title: Re: Monthly competition general chit-chat thread
Post by: DavidP on December 22, 2018, 10:13:14 am
Astonishing ... JustinGuitar ... promoter of world peace and global harmony (ha ha) ... Nobel Laureate Committee take note, first Bob Dylan ...

Small edit on your post.  Bala is USA.  Making Run Run Rudolph the winner in the category for Most Different Nationalities

And for the rest of you out there from the Southern Hemisphere, let your musicianship be heard, currently only Batwoman and I from that half of the world :)

And can but echo your WOW ... this contest produced a stellar set of entries.

Be blesses, friends !!
Title: Re: Monthly competition general chit-chat thread
Post by: Balamuthiah on December 22, 2018, 10:27:02 am
I'm also technically an Indian living in the United States ;) But seriously! I'm at wow at the list of countries involved! Would be an awesome collab if we all did a song together! All thanks to Justin and this wonderful community for uniting us all across the globe to come together like this! :)
Title: Re: Monthly competition general chit-chat thread
Post by: close2u on December 22, 2018, 10:44:56 am


Small edit on your post.  Bala is USA.  Making Run Run Rudolph the winner in the category for Most Different Nationalities



Oh, SUGAR!
I knew that and somehow my fingers didn't follow my brain.
Thanks for the correction David.

And I agree with all you said too. :)
Title: Re: Monthly competition general chit-chat thread
Post by: Fourtwo on December 22, 2018, 03:14:29 pm
Richard,
Slight correction - I'm based in Bermuda.
Neil (Fourtwo)
Title: Re: Monthly competition general chit-chat thread
Post by: hilts17 on December 22, 2018, 03:17:23 pm
Richard,
Slight correction - I'm based in Bermuda.
Neil (Fourtwo)

Nice! I love Bermuda. Been there 3 times.
Title: Re: Monthly competition general chit-chat thread
Post by: close2u on December 22, 2018, 03:26:01 pm
Richard,
Slight correction - I'm based in Bermuda.
Neil (Fourtwo)

Oh wow - my apologies.
Why did I think you were in UK?  ???
All those obscure 80s british indie-bands you reference perhaps.
Sorry Neil.
I shall correct immediately.
Title: Re: Monthly competition general chit-chat thread
Post by: Fourtwo on December 23, 2018, 03:38:41 am
Oh wow - my apologies.
Why did I think you were in UK?  ???
All those obscure 80s british indie-bands you reference perhaps.
Sorry Neil.
I shall correct immediately.

Richard,
Not surprising given my music taste. I'm originally from England but have only recently discovered lots of tunes that were around when I moved over to Bermuda 30+ years ago which has been very rewarding and has completely changed the song rotation on my music player! I get over to the UK regularly so keep up with the music over there.
Neil
Title: Re: Monthly competition general chit-chat thread
Post by: Fourtwo on December 23, 2018, 04:34:47 am
Following the collaboration for the December comp, I thought it might be interesting for others to hear how our team developed our song and perhaps share the same with their productions. That way, we might be able to learn something more from the process.
I knew from previous comps that Brian has a talent with writing lyrics. I therefore expected a quality lyric to use as the basis of our song, but I wasn't quite ready for the length of the lyrics! I believe his original extended to 6 verses with no chorus. Given the length of the song ( or so I understood) was limited to 3 minutes that clearly wasn't going to work. Our "Bohemian Rhapsody will have to wait for another day! At this point Brian and I adopted a Mexican stand-off posture with each thinking the other was going to "own" the song. In the end I convinced Brian that the lyricist should own the song, and I suggested he go away and work up a chord sequence - a simple I, IV, V would suffice. In retrospect that was a little unfair since Brian is in the early stages of his guitar/musical journey and I think he was perhaps a little daunted. However, he worked with his friend Chris, who does have more musical knowledge and they worked up a first draft of the chords and sent it to me. At this point I'm expecting a simple I, IV, V major chord sequence in a basic 4/4 rhythm pattern. What I got was more chord changes, in a minor key and in waltz rhythm (3/3 I believe)! Now I may know a little about putting a song together, but Johann Strauss I'm not! So I reworked the chords slightly, changed the rhythm and put together a backing track with a suggested vocal melody and shared that with Brian through Soundcloud. It was here that one of biggest practical problems came into view. I was about to be travelling for 4 weeks and would not able to work on the production until I returned a few days before the deadline. Timing was going to be an issue and a few things conspired to cast doubt on whether we'd finish in time. During this period Brian, Chris and Eithne practiced the vocal part(s) and tried out a few other things to add into the mix. Included in these other items were the Trump narrative and the video. All of a sudden the track turned from being a mish mash of a song into something funny, with a consistent narrative and visual element to match - inspired stuff.  We agreed that Brian would email me their contributions for my return and then I would spend a few days mixing the track for their approval. Brian duly sent the mp3 files which included his vocal track. Now I'm sure each producer has their favourite studio for acoustics, dynamics etc, but nowhere in the handbook would it suggest recording the vocals on a phone in a car! However, this is what Brian had done, which I found very amusing - was it to get away from the family for peace and quiet - we'll never know. Much as I wanted to use this version, sadly the recording wasn't quite loud enough and I used another version recorded on his phone, but not in the car. It gives new meaning to the phrase "phoning in the performance"! Anyway I managed to mix all of the different files together, included some inspired violin lines and acoustic guitar lines Chris had done and the song eventually came together in time to post on the forum. All in all a terrific learning experience for me and I'm sure Brian and Chris. In summary here were our biggest challenges:
1) Time - we were up against the clock big time in the end, but thankfully got it done
2) Equipment - Whilst I have a music room full of stuff to make a full recording, Brian had no kit. Technology being what it is today, it's amazing we were able to put together something that managed to fit together. How did other people manage this?
3) Distance - particularly for vocal parts, the inability to practice harmonizing to the backing tracking and reworking the vocal parts until they worked together perfectly was a big impediment. When I mix my own tracks I usually have to rework the vocal tracks many times until I get an acceptable version. We didn't have the luxury of this.
Particularly on the last of these I'm really interested to hear about how other people managed that process in their productions and look forward to hearing from you.
Neil
Title: Re: Monthly competition general chit-chat thread
Post by: close2u on December 23, 2018, 08:49:56 am
Neil.
What a fantastic post and a great idea to add even more worth to this comp.
Thanks so much for taking the time and setting out your story.

Ps
It looks like I need to update the credits as I didn't mention the additional collaborators.

Title: Re: Monthly competition general chit-chat thread
Post by: DavidP on December 23, 2018, 10:25:22 am
Thanks Neil. 

Here's a rundown of the Pam/Max/David collaboration.  Max/Pam, hope you don't mind me jumping in with this and feel free to chip in with more from your point of view.

1) Forming the band

I started thinking about this after my Skype session with Justin when he asked if I'd be entering.  He clarified that the ineligibility rule for past winners was intended only to influence actually being judged the winner, not to limit participation. But if getting involved, with whom. Then I saw Max post the same thing after his Skype session and the penny dropped (I'm a bit slow on the uptake sometimes) ... of course, check in with Max.  And later ... what about Pam?

2) Picking the song

So once Max was in he offered up two songs.  In an example of unconscious confirmation bias I was drawn to C(BPCH).  Later I discovered that the Buble version was on my Family Christmas Playlist, but I'd forgotten that.  Timing wise, we'd agreed on the song just ahead of Pam joining the band.

3) Guiding principles and logistics

We agreed fundamentally on two:

a) Wanted to keep it simple.  From my limited experience of collaborations (all two that I've produced), I know that this is not as easy as it may seem and given the fact that there was a deadline, we figured it made sense
b) Team ownership of the arrangement and mix.  While I was designated to put it all together, we wanted the final production to meet the approval of all

We used both email and private messages to communicate.  Sharing mp3 versions of working samples could be done via email attachments.  Final tracks were rendered in a lossless WAV format, which being much larger were shared via a shared DropBox folder.

4) Arrangement

Max took the lead on this.  First he confirmed the tempo that would suit his vocal and that it was a simple 4/4.  Then he produced a simple score that laid out the chord progressions for each part of the song bar by bar.  We also agreed the strumming pattern for the acoustic to enable effective multi-tracking.

At the outset, again I think before Pam was engaged, we agreed that Max would sing and play electric guitar -  a couple of different tracks in keeping with the Death Cab For Cutie version that he enjoys.  I offered acoustic guitar and midi bass and drums. When Pam came in her role was backing and harmony vocal plus acoustic guitar.

We wanted a really full acoustic guitar sound, so I planned to double track my standard acoustic plus double track a second acoustic  Nashville strung (Nashville strung is done by taking the additional 6 strings added onto a standard 12 string and putting them on a 6 string. So you have the higher octave E A D G strings plus a standard B e).   Pam would another standard acoustic, essentially a triple track for the acoustic guitar.

5) Recording

First step was my acoustic guitar tracks.  I recorded the 4, mixed and shared an mp3.  Plus a simple drum track to drive the rhythm.

Then Max recorded some electric guitar plus a first vocal.  He was sharing individual tracks plus sample mixes.

Then I had a go with adding some bass and drums.  The drums were OK but Max didn't really like the bass, so had a go at recording a bass line, which was much better. Plus final vocals (who ordered that cold for Max midway through the project?)

Once we had that down then Pam tracked an acoustic guitar plus a number of vocal parts.

6) Editing & Mixing

Once I had all the tracks I did a minor edit to get best possible version from some of my multiple takes and tighten up on the timing on some of the other parts.  I learned working with Roman how important being tight on the beat is, so tweaked a little here and there.

I used all the material Pam recorded plus listening to Buble's version to create a first mix, that included applying various effects on individual tracks and the master bus.

It was not great!  At this time we also discussed how best to treat the vocals on the song.  Max shared some alternatives.  Cut a long story short, we bounced I think 3/4 versions, each time working on timing of backing/harmony and levels across the board before settling on the final version.

Overall I think the project went pretty smoothly.  We were able to come to agreement on the creative decisions and everybody provided useful feedback and contributions throughout.

Once again, I thank Pam and Max for the opportunity to collaborate.  The final song turned out well and I think is a fair reflection of our various musical abilities.  It was great fun and another memorable learning experience.

Merry Christmas all  :)
Title: Re: Monthly competition general chit-chat thread
Post by: close2u on December 23, 2018, 10:39:50 am
Update with additional info:


a] Silent Night

Digger (England) guitar, bass & synthesiser
Katja (Germany) vocals & piano


b] The Last Snowflake

BrianLarsen (England) song-writing, vocals, bell chimes, Trumpisms and video editing
FourTwo (Bermuda) Drum programming, rhythm guitar, lead guitar, bass guitar, vocals, keyboard & production
Chris (England) guitar & violin


c] White Christmas

embishop (Canada) jazz & lead guitar
KristaR (Canada) vocals & rhythm guitar


d] Christmas (Baby Please Come Home)

DavidP (South Africa) acoustic guitar (standard and Nashville strung) & midi drums
pkboo3 (USA) vocals & acoustic guitar
max_mue (Germany) vocals, electric guitar & bass
 

e] All I Want For Christmas

Garfield (USA) guitar & vocal
Kerrie (USA) keyboard


f] God Rest Ye Merry Gentlemen

diademgrove (England) guitar, Production, additional instruments
redrhodie (USA) vocals and bells
Dave (USA) synthesisers


g] Run Run Rudolph

schlaffenwagen (Russia) drums & production
KasperFaurby (Denmark) rhythm & lead guitar
Batwoman (Australia) backing vocals & cheerleading
Balamuthia (USA) lead vocals
Kevin (France) lead vocals, rhythm & solo guitar, bass
Ju (France) backing vocals
Title: Re: Monthly competition general chit-chat thread
Post by: max_mue on December 23, 2018, 02:52:57 pm
@David: Very good summary :)

@Richard: Wow, the list is very impressive - thanks for sharing & updating it :)

Title: Re: Monthly competition general chit-chat thread
Post by: john256 on December 23, 2018, 02:53:14 pm
Um,I thought this was an instrumental only collaboration? I remember complaining about it right at the start and it's a major reason I didn't pursue the contest... Did you change the rules?

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Title: Re: Monthly competition general chit-chat thread
Post by: close2u on December 23, 2018, 04:00:55 pm
Um,I thought this was an instrumental only collaboration? I remember complaining about it right at the start and it's a major reason I didn't pursue the contest... Did you change the rules?

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Oh john, so sorry you missed it. We did make several high profile announcements to the updated rules and discussed both here (https://justinguitarcommunity.com/index.php?topic=40951.msg393449#msg393449) and Justin announced in his newsletter too.


Title: Re: Monthly competition general chit-chat thread
Post by: Fourtwo on December 24, 2018, 02:50:29 am
Richard
Our third collaborator was Chris Goldring who is located in England.
Neil
Title: Re: Monthly competition general chit-chat thread
Post by: Fourtwo on December 24, 2018, 03:01:49 am
David,
Thanks for sharing your interesting story - a few questions:
- Max worked up the strumming pattern - how did he communicate that pattern to the rest of you?
- Acoustic guitars. How did you mix the acoustic guitars to get the wide, clean sound? What settings did you use for that track?
- Max's voice - what effects did you use? Similarly with Pam's voice?
- What did Max and Pam use to record their parts?
Btw I wasn't aware of the term "Nashville strung" so thanks for the lesson on that!
Neil
Title: Re: Monthly competition general chit-chat thread
Post by: close2u on December 24, 2018, 08:43:26 am
@ Neil

thanks for clarifying Chris' location.

re: Nashville tuning:


Title: Re: Monthly competition general chit-chat thread
Post by: close2u on December 24, 2018, 09:42:28 am
@ Neil …

Nashville tuning & standard tuning side-by-side



Title: Re: Monthly competition general chit-chat thread
Post by: max_mue on December 24, 2018, 09:44:51 am
Max worked up the strumming pattern - how did he communicate that pattern to the rest of you?
https://www.dropbox.com/s/7eijauwsd4iw048/BabyPleaseComeHome.pdf?dl=0
Here is the simple score that I've sent to David and Pam :)

What did Max and Pam use to record their parts?
I have a Rode NT1-A that I used in combination with a Focusrite Scarlett / GarageBand :)
For the guitar and bass part I used my telecaster and amp simulations provided by GarageBand


Title: Re: Monthly competition general chit-chat thread
Post by: DavidP on December 24, 2018, 10:56:23 am
I have a Rode NT1-A that I used in combination with a Focusrite Scarlett / GarageBand :)
For the guitar and bass part I used my telecaster and amp simulations provided by GarageBand

And to add, I am also using a Focusrite Scarlett AI with the Focusrite CM25 MKII condensor that came with the AI.  Acoustic guitars recorded with the mic, rather than built-in electronics.

Pam will have to share what she is using, I don't know.

All mixing and final rendering done with Reaper.

For acoustic guitars:

1) Adjusted the signal level of the acoustic guitar tracks to all be between -18dB to -12dB, Pam's a little hotter than mine

2) Added stock Reaper EQ on all the standard-tuned acoustics.  Used the Reaper pre-set for acoustic guitar, which is a high pass filter, cut at 630 and boost at about 6k, the cut and boost small 2-3dB gentle, broad effect ie gentle slope into and out of

3) Added standard Reaper compressor on all acoustic tracks, based on a acoustic guitar pre-set, tweaked to be gentle.

4) Kept Pam's acoustic C, panned one Nashville and one standard 100% left and the other 2 100% right.

5) Fader on centre pulled down -16dB.  Others pulled down from just under 0dB to -6dB

6) Also using the Softube Drawmer S73 plug on the Master bus, using the ambience pre-set which helps with the sense of width

For Max's vocal:

Max provided me with a dry and wet track, I used both. I duplicated the dry vocal and panned L & R 10%.  Applied standard Reaper EQ and compression, again using pre-sets with small tweaks plus Waves CLA Vocals, starting from the Rock Man pre-set.  That does some simple EQ, compression, reverb and delay based on standard settings with ability to adjust the level of each effect. Same fx applied to all three tracks with little tweaks.  Then played with the faders on all three until it sounded good, not dry but not overly effected.

For Pam's vocals:

Pam provided a number of tracks with the Christmas backing plus some other Baby pleases, harmony on the lyrics and some ooohs. Her vocals treated similarly to lead vocals, same plugs adapting some different pre-sets.

For the Christmas backing, I created three tracks.  Using different renditions from the different tracks provided at each point.  Then on two of the tracks I used Reaper pitch-shifter, up on one down on the other, 3 semi-tones.  Pulled the levels down differently on each track.  All panned left by slightly differing amounts around 20-30%.  All to try and get more of the effect of having a number of different backing vocalists.

The oohs and some backing were also panned left 11%.  Harmony plus some backing vocals panned right 36%.

Levels adjusted until it all sounded OK.

As I said, the fine tuning of the mix took a few rounds to reach the finished song which had a feel and sound that we all were happy with.

@ Neil

thanks for clarifying Chris' location.

re: Nashville tuning: <video clipped>

Thanks Richard.

This is exactly what I did.  I'd kept my old acoustic when I upgraded and strung it with the other set of strings from a 12 string set, when re-stringing my acoustic.  Bought a 12 string set and split it for the 2 guitars, which was good economically as the 12 string set was not double the 6 string set.

I played the same guitar part twice on the standard and twice with the Nashville ... OK, more than twice but ended up with two decent tracks for both, after a little splicing out of the odd bit that was too flawed.

From other reading I've done, apparently studio versions of Wild Horses by the Stones are recorded this way.  Richards often uses this approach in the studio.
Title: Re: Monthly competition general chit-chat thread
Post by: Fourtwo on December 25, 2018, 03:02:18 am
Max, Thanks for your response and Davis, many thanks for the detailed overview of your labours in the production. All a bit above my head (what is a reaper?) but I get the general drift. I tend to be a bit lazy with the background research on technical aspects of recording and rely on feel and experimenting with turning knobs and pressing buttons. The vocal explanation though was very helpful and I will be broadening my knowledge in that area as that's typically what I find the most difficult and frustrating.
Merry Christmas!
Neil
Title: Re: Monthly competition general chit-chat thread
Post by: batwoman on December 25, 2018, 03:34:34 am
All a bit above my head (what is a reaper?) but I get the general drift.
Neil

Reaper is a Digital Audio Interface (DAW).
Title: Re: Monthly competition general chit-chat thread
Post by: close2u on January 05, 2019, 10:36:00 am
Attention all collaborators - judgement day is imminent.

Please ensure that Lieven and I have the full names / details of all participants - the forum names and real names of all forum members, the names of all participating non-forum members.
Can you send via pm.
Thanks.
Richard
Title: Re: Monthly competition general chit-chat thread
Post by: DavidP on January 08, 2019, 09:01:54 pm

Congrats to the Run Run Rodolph team. A most professional production and worthy winner.

Congrats Digger & Katja for your second place.

And all who entered take a bow, every entry was a good listen and an achievement for the folk who produced it.
Title: Re: Monthly competition general chit-chat thread
Post by: redrhodie on January 08, 2019, 11:59:45 pm
Congratulations everyone! Well done!

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Title: Re: Monthly competition general chit-chat thread
Post by: Garfield on January 10, 2019, 09:38:26 pm
Good job everyone. For a while I was worried it was being boycotted but a good showing in the end and really enjoyable entries. Congrats to the run run Rudolph team and thanks to the justinguitar team for organising.
G

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Title: Re: Monthly competition general chit-chat thread
Post by: DanniTSI3 on February 03, 2019, 09:07:11 am
Sooo any news about the Feb comp parameters? Asking for a friend.

OK I'm really asking for myself




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Title: Re: Monthly competition general chit-chat thread
Post by: max_mue on February 03, 2019, 09:36:58 am
Hey Danni :)

Quote
Important notice.

For a variety of reason there will be no competition for the first three months of 2019.

Please await further announcements about the planned resumption scheduled to start with a competition period that will span April to June inclusive.

Thanks.

:)
Title: Re: Monthly competition general chit-chat thread
Post by: close2u on February 03, 2019, 09:59:26 am
Yeah - sorry Danni.
We have a three month hiatus.


@ Christmas comp winners.

Justin got back from NAMM last week and started organising prize allocation.

All email transfers should have happened for vouchers, subscriptions etc.
Most physical products have been posted.
The Katana and Pacifica are going direct from the suppliers and should be done soon.
Title: Re: Monthly competition general chit-chat thread
Post by: diademgrove on February 03, 2019, 10:31:57 am
Yeah - sorry Danni.
We have a three month hiatus.


@ Christmas comp winners.

Justin got back from NAMM last week and started organising prize allocation.

All email transfers should have happened for vouchers, subscriptions etc.
Most physical products have been posted.
The Katana and Pacifica are going direct from the suppliers and should be done soon.

Thanks close2U and Justin. Just to confirm my prize has arrived virtually. I can now work my way through the theory course. I'm really looking forward to it.

Thanks again to all the organizers for a great prize.

Keith
Title: Re: Monthly competition general chit-chat thread
Post by: close2u on February 03, 2019, 04:56:15 pm
FAO

ALL Christmas competition winners.

Please can you reply and / or contact me via message to confirm if / when you have received your chosen prize.

Muchas gracias amigos.

:)
All email transfers should have happened for vouchers, subscriptions etc.
Most physical products have been posted.
The Katana and Pacifica are going direct from the suppliers and should be done soon.
Title: Re: Monthly competition general chit-chat thread
Post by: DanniTSI3 on February 07, 2019, 06:10:58 am
Ah well give me time to get better for any comp entering

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Title: Re: Monthly competition general chit-chat thread
Post by: close2u on August 18, 2019, 07:46:52 am
It seems that Len Aloise's SKYPE session sparked an inspiration in Justin:


Title: Re: Monthly competition general chit-chat thread
Post by: DavidP on August 18, 2019, 09:12:55 am
Thanks for the bump, Richard.
Title: Re: Monthly competition general chit-chat thread
Post by: hilts17 on August 18, 2019, 12:00:03 pm
It seems that Len Aloise's SKYPE session sparked an inspiration in Justin:

Well I know I'm guilty of being "THAT GUY". I really got a lot out of this video and it is something I've been trying to work on. The last thing I want to do is bore the listener.
Title: Re: Monthly competition general chit-chat thread
Post by: Alex6strings on August 27, 2019, 02:20:18 am


Well I know I'm guilty of being "THAT GUY". I really got a lot out of this video and it is something I've been trying to work on. The last thing I want to do is bore the listener.

I've made a career out of boring the listener hilts and it's got me where I am today....... Nowhere  
.
If I was a song writer like Len though I'd be milking that shout out for all its worth.  I'm not sure how but maybe a clickbait title like 'the man Justin guitar goes to for guitar teaching advice'...new album out now.     Before they were famous maybe,  'Len from Justin guitar reflects'

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Title: Re: Monthly competition general chit-chat thread
Post by: DavidP on August 27, 2019, 03:02:48 pm
Well I know I'm guilty of being "THAT GUY". I really got a lot out of this video and it is something I've been trying to work on. The last thing I want to do is bore the listener.

Never been bored when taking in your performances, Hilts.


I've made a career out of boring the listener hilts and it's got me where I am today....... Nowhere  


LOL ... funny man, Alex ... likewise, never bored by any of your videos.  And one day I'd love to be able to just be ready to try to play the songs you've shared with us the way you play them ...
Title: Re: Monthly competition general chit-chat thread
Post by: hilts17 on August 27, 2019, 03:24:30 pm
Never been bored when taking in your performances, Hilts.

I really appreciate hearing that David. Thanks!
Title: Re: Monthly competition general chit-chat thread
Post by: close2u on October 29, 2019, 07:08:22 pm
Sorry folks - Justin is taking his time getting to this due to a hectic schedule.
He has asked us to pass on his apologies.
:)
Title: Re: Monthly competition general chit-chat thread
Post by: DavidP on October 29, 2019, 07:35:01 pm
Thanks Richard.
Title: Re: Monthly competition general chit-chat thread
Post by: close2u on November 08, 2019, 08:58:34 am
Another sorry for the lengthy delay.
Lieven and I do remind Justin but he does seem to be extraordinarily busy - with some things that won't be obvious for a little while yet.
I shall give him a gentle nudge again today - but he has been locked away in a guitar workshop all week.
Title: Re: Monthly competition general chit-chat thread
Post by: john256 on November 08, 2019, 09:32:44 am
I'd rather get proper feedback than have him rush.

I'm interested on that topic, how DO you judge entries? Do you listen through once and take notes, or listen a few times with headphones in a dark room to catch every nuance? Critical listening isn't something I have any practice with.
Title: Re: Monthly competition general chit-chat thread
Post by: close2u on November 08, 2019, 10:15:10 am
I'd rather get proper feedback than have him rush.

I'm interested on that topic, how DO you judge entries? Do you listen through once and take notes, or listen a few times with headphones in a dark room to catch every nuance? Critical listening isn't something I have any practice with.

On the first point - Thanks John. It is a fair point and I'm sure many will agree.

On the second point - for me personally ...

I listen to all entries as they are uploaded just for pleasure.
I usually do not comment in any way at that time - maybe just a short, positive comment of thanks and encouragement for the person submitting an entry and something saying how I enjoyed it.

At the close of the competition entry period, I set aside several hours - usually on a weekend morning or an evening.
I listen through headphones and listen to each entry multiple times. If there is a video I make a point of trying to listen and watch separately and together. This gives me a chance to 'hear' the recording and also to look for technical points that I can then comment on and provide feedback for improvement (or feedback for congratulations and well-dones).
In terms of arriving at my choice(s) for winner & honourable mentions, there is no objective, set list of criterion that I look to use. It is mainly based on instinct, appreciation for overall effort, improvement of some kind, general performance or for having displayed a particular skill.

Also informing my choices can sometimes be thoughts such as - who has tried to play something / do something / perform something in such valiant manner that with expert guidance and the benefit of a Skype with Justin, could move to a whole new level of playing?

I speak only for myself.
Lieven and Justin may operate slightly differently and having different judging rationale and methods.
Title: Re: Monthly competition general chit-chat thread
Post by: john256 on November 09, 2019, 01:07:05 am
That's really interesting.

It can't be easy to judge when you have experienced musicians against novices putting their soul open for inspection (at least that's how I felt when I first started posting recordings).

Thanks for the insight and the time you (and the others) put in.

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