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Title: David P's Road Case
Post by: DavidP on July 16, 2017, 06:06:29 pm
Hey there,

I've read so many of your Road Cases.  I love the stories, the journey, the gear.  So I decided that it was time I also started a Road Case.  Before the dream to play the guitar was born, came the love of music.  So I decided to start my Road Case there ... I guess a bit self indulgent as a novice ... if I was Keith Richards people would be interested and one might make a documentary ... oh yes, he did ... Under the Influence which is worth a watch.  Be that as it may, my story begins at age 9, living in Rickmansworth, England, 1974 ...

The first song I remember loving was ABBA's Waterloo.  I taped it off the TV to play on a small red cassette player.  Closely followed by Paper Lace's The Night Chicago Died and Spark's This Town Ain't Big Enough For the Both of Us.

And just as TV's Top of the Pops show became interesting, the family emigrated to South Africa, where there was no TV at all.

Music remained big as I became old enough to be entertained by my parents and their record collection, mostly jazz with a little folk.  I remember Cleo Laine as a favourite, guitarists like Ike Isaacs and Tal Farlow, big band of Benny Goodman (with Charlie Christian), Oscar Peterson, Modern Jazz Quartet and Django Reinhardt with Stephane Grapelli and the Hot Club of France.  And among all this ... The Beatles ... the Red and Blue double album compilations. Plus the local radio station.

A chance conversation with a school mate midway through high school led to him making me cassettes of things he felt I really ought to listen to.  I still remember those first cassettes ... Fleetwood Mac Rumours, Supertramp Breakfast in America, Pink Floyd The Wall, Queen Night At the Opera, Jethro Tull Songs From The Wood.

Eventually my mother tired of the terrible quality and so the first vinyl LPs were acquired ... along with the license to use the HI-FI.  Night At The Opera was the first and somehow, I forget, Deep Purple Made In Japan the second.

By the time I went away to university I had a small tape collection.  There I shared a room with a fellow who had an enormous (at least 100, seemed enormous) collection.  The next year I had my own room and he got a new room mate ... who had a guitar, played the harmonica at the same time etc etc etc.  I loved to listen and watch but no desire yet ...

And that's enough for now ...
Title: Re: David P's Road Case
Post by: mikeb2102 on July 16, 2017, 06:15:11 pm
It's a shame Top of The Pops stopped. It was a Thursday night ritual, sitting down in front of the telly watching all the hits from that week. I'm all for progress and MTV was a great thing, but it was the beginning of the end for me. On one hand music being so accessible and instantly downloadable was a good thing, I had 1000s of songs on my hard drive. Now I've done away with it all cos I hark back to the days where you got that slice of vinyl from the shop and devoured every inch of the cover on the way home. You just don't get that excitement with a downloadable track.

Great story David, it took me back to my own childhood there, but ABBA??? Lol

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Title: Re: David P's Road Case
Post by: DavidP on July 16, 2017, 09:26:30 pm
Great story David, it took me back to my own childhood there, but ABBA??? Lol
:)

But I was only 8 years old at the time.

And to be fair they did create some pretty good pop back in the day....think I'd take them over some of the teen idols of more recent times....
Title: Re: David P's Road Case
Post by: mikeb2102 on July 16, 2017, 09:27:34 pm
:)

But I was only 8 years old at the time.

And to be fair they did create some pretty good pop back in the day....think I'd take them over some of the teen idols of more recent times....
Yeah I'd take anything over the manufactured pop of today

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Title: Re: David P's Road Case
Post by: batwoman on July 17, 2017, 06:40:00 am
Yep, I'll own up to having Abba on my iPod.
Title: Re: David P's Road Case
Post by: sirloin2984 on July 17, 2017, 11:06:03 am
I wouldn't worry too much about Abba in the old music library, well they aren't my cup of tea, but there is no denying they are talented songwriters! I can hardly compare anyway, my first owned record was Ghostbusters by Ray Parker Jr. So hardly a trafk for comparison (albeit an unashamedly fun song). My musical journey went from stregnth to stregnth, Ray Parker Jr. matured into Bobby Brown and then to Janet Jackson (so was getting better), then 1989/1990 came around and I heard some stuff off ...and justice for all, I was pretty much a rock/metal convert ever since. That said I grew up in a household with quite an eclectic mix of genres. Mom loved Motown and Classical in the main (but did enjoy Madness) and Dad loved 70s "glam" rock but he also introduced me to Bruce Springsteen and Billy Joel. I guess I was too young in the early 80s to appreciate these artists at the time but they have made a big difference in my life as I've matured.
I went through the usual rebellious musical stage of my teens thinking only music I listened to was any good and only in the rock/metal genres but thankfully that was beaten out of me pretty quickly. I find myself listening to a lot more these days and my tastes are more like my folks as I age... not exactly a bad thing:)
I noted other comments talking about the saturation of music channels/sources and I kind of agree, I used to love watching MTV when it was 1 channel, and I'm not sure MTV can even claim the name anymore (given the total lack of music on there). Nothing like having physical media sitting on a shelf where you can physically show off your love of music.
A good post!

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Title: Re: David P's Road Case
Post by: mikeb2102 on July 17, 2017, 11:56:43 am
My biggest influence was my older brother. He's 14 years older than me, so he introduced me to The Beatles when I was 3. When he left home I started listening to music that my school mates were listening to; Duran Duran, Queen, Wham (yes I had a cheek to mention ABBA), and The Pet Shop Boys. I also listened to Elvis and Buddy Holly because of my dad.
When I was 17 I'd left home and my brother needed a place to stay, so he moved in, along with his vinyl collection. He introduced me to punk and new wave, especially The Jam (This was 9 years after they split). I became a massive fan of The Jam and the whole mod thing. Through The Jam I discovered The Who, The Sex Pistols, The Clash, The Kinks & The Small Faces. I was also still listening to The Beatles too. Through the 1990s I also discovered Blur,  Oasis and Paul Weller solo, also his other band The Style Council.

A few years ago my daughter's mum bought me a book about The Beatles lyrics. This rekindled my love for The Beatles and eventually I built up a collection of over 140 books on them. With me listening to The Beatles a lot, my daughter who was 3 started singing along. 4 years later and she is also a massive Beatles fan. I've taken on the mantle that my brother passed on to me and I've introduced her to other music too. In those 4 years we have seen The Bootleg Beatles twice, Paul McCartney once and we've visited numerous Beatles sites between London and Liverpool.

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Title: Re: David P's Road Case
Post by: DavidP on July 17, 2017, 01:37:19 pm
Thanks All ... loving this conversation about musical influences  :)
Title: Re: David P's Road Case
Post by: Fox Cunning on July 17, 2017, 02:08:02 pm
Thanks for sharing this, David. Looking forward to reading the rest of the story!
Reminds me that I should update my own road case with more gear and background.

Also, ABBA can't be that bad if even Yngwie Malmsteen covered one of their songs :D
Title: Re: David P's Road Case
Post by: DavidP on July 17, 2017, 02:24:15 pm
Thanks for sharing this, David. Looking forward to reading the rest of the story!
Reminds me that I should update my own road case with more gear and background.

Also, ABBA can't be that bad if even Yngwie Malmsteen covered one of their songs :D
Glad you enjoying it, Fox

Never knew about Yngwire covering Abba ... though I believe Abba songs are often not so simple to play and sing.
Title: Re: David P's Road Case
Post by: Fox Cunning on July 17, 2017, 03:53:22 pm
Never knew about Yngwire covering Abba ... though I believe Abba songs are often not so simple to play and sing.
He sure did :D



Agree they're not the easiest!
Title: Re: David P's Road Case
Post by: DavidP on July 17, 2017, 04:18:04 pm
He sure did :D



Agree they're not the easiest!
Thanks for sharing that, cracking stuff ...
Title: Re: David P's Road Case
Post by: DavidP on July 18, 2017, 10:23:51 pm
Starting the journey

One Friday night, that second year of Varsity, the old room mate asked me to join him with a group of guys to go watch a movie ... a concert film ... who? ... The Rolling Stones.

(http://i.imgur.com/5KUIBQR.jpg)

I'd heard Satisfaction on the radio back in the school days and Ruby Tuesday (a song for my "want to play that someday" list) and recall a magazine article all about Keith, Anita and drug addiction.  Didn't know much more that but opted to go along anyway ... a change from a night of beer and darts.

Cut a long story short, that film lit the fire.  I woke up the next day and wanted more of the Rolling Stones and to learn to play.  And in particular it was Keith Richards that really got my attention ... just so cool, sitting on the edge of the stage with the bourbon and the connection with Ronnie.

I got my guitar.  As I recall it was a Hondo, which was probably fairly unplayable beyond the 5th fret, such a high action.  The class mate who could play was my guitar tuner, showed me chords and after I'd copied down the lyrics of songs I might want to learn, he'd listen a few times and write down the chords.

As I recall the first songs included Hotel California (starting in Am and OK until the F), Like A Hurricane (why did I keep picking songs with F but had got into NY via the triple album compilation Decade), As Tears Go By (no F but Bm), Jane S Piddy and over time lots more ... most of which I never managed to play with any reasonable measure of success.

And I kind of kept at it on and off for the rest of my time at Varsity.  On the plus side, I did get to grips with F and playing A and G as barre chords ... not the 7th chord since the lift finger would leave a muted string behind.  But never ever open B7 ... that was just impossible ...

After Varsity I did two years national service (that's another story) and at the end of it my girl friend of the time decided I deserved a really proper present ... for getting through the two years and a few other things (yet another story) and she brought me a guitar of much better quality ... not spectacular but way better than the Hondo ... and I don't recall what happened to the Hondo.

There she is ... a Celebrity CC67, obtained in Dec 1988 ...

(http://i.imgur.com/a3UaAXn.jpg)

I continued to try and learn simply by playing through a set of songs but never really felt satisfied with my progress.  There were a few that I considered OK ... Jane S Piddy being one, Hotel California and Like A Hurricane, American Pie but many, many, many more that I could just never get to sound OK, even though the chords were playable.

And so this led to short burst of enthusiasm, quickly followed by frustration and then long periods were the guitar remained in its case.  I moved cities, houses, relationships and through it all the guitar stayed around ... a wish that I believed I couldn't achieve.

In 2006 I worked with a lady who played base in a band etc ... it triggered the familiar pattern.  But somehow I connected with another friend from a previous company who gigged in restaurants.  He gave me a few lessons, introduced me to a metronome and I learned to play Knockin on Heavens Door with (I think) the 'old faithful' strumming pattern.  I stuck at it a few weeks and made progress.  But lessons stopped and practising on my own didn't work so well ... guitar back in the case.

And so it continued until Dec 2016 ...
Title: Re: David P's Road Case
Post by: mikeb2102 on July 18, 2017, 10:59:32 pm
I'm enjoying reading this David, I look forward to the next installment. When I first started learning I had loads of Beatles songs I wanted to play. I have learned to play Eight Days A Week and portions of Blackbird. My list hasn't interested me as much as the stuff I've chosen to learn instead, maybe because subconsciously I don't think I'd be able to do them justice as I'm usually quite critical of anyone covering a Beatles song.

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Title: Re: David P's Road Case
Post by: DavidP on July 19, 2017, 06:17:35 am
I'm enjoying reading this David, I look forward to the next installment. When I first started learning I had loads of Beatles songs I wanted to play. I have learned to play Eight Days A Week and portions of Blackbird. My list hasn't interested me as much as the stuff I've chosen to learn instead, maybe because subconsciously I don't think I'd be able to do them justice as I'm usually quite critical of anyone covering a Beatles song.
Thanks Mike

A lot of what I choose to learn happens quite by chance ... a conversation with a friend, a post in this community or just getting curious after listening to a song in the car.

As for The Beatles, listener beware ... I did do a version of Love Me Do sometime ago  :) And played a few in the days before Justin.  Currently, I'd love to play Norwegian Wood and While My Guitar Gently Weeps.
Title: Re: David P's Road Case
Post by: mikeb2102 on July 19, 2017, 07:54:20 am




Currently, I'd love to play Norwegian Wood and While My Guitar Gently Weeps.

There's some good tutorials on YouTube for both of those songs. While My Guitar Gently Weeps is pretty straightforward, a couple of barre chords - F#m, C#m and Bm, but most of the chords are open. I can imagine the solo would be hard though.

My inspiration for the songs I learn is similar. I'll hear a song on the television or a song will pop into my head or I'll be looking at something on YouTube and I'll notice another song and wonder how easy it would be to play. Some songs I'll start and give up, others I stick with

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Title: Re: David P's Road Case
Post by: Tony Grapes on July 19, 2017, 12:53:25 pm
I'm enjoying reading this David, I look forward to the next installment. When I first started learning I had loads of Beatles songs I wanted to play. I have learned to play Eight Days A Week and portions of Blackbird. My list hasn't interested me as much as the stuff I've chosen to learn instead, maybe because subconsciously I don't think I'd be able to do them justice as I'm usually quite critical of anyone covering a Beatles song.

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I grew up in the Bronx N.Y. Having two older brothers who listened to all kinds of music Metal turned out to be my love. At 15 I had a guitar, and suddenly my world changed as my farther passed away. Sold the guitar to pay the rent and never looked back. Sabbath got me trough many dark days as I got lost in the music. I was a sick child spent most of my youth in the hospital. Still it was groups like Floyd Sabbath zeppelin and so on that pulled me through. Funny story, a record store in the Bronx I waited for the new Sabbath album to come out and rushed that day saving my pennies to buy it. I get to the store Harmony was the name of the place, union port road in the Bronx walk in search for the album . Grab it and I'm lost in the awesomeness of the cover. The album tight in my hands walk to the counter and the owner of the store won't sell it to me. Yep tells me I'm to young. Heart broken I leave the store and search for my older brother I was 9 years old at the time. My older brother Henry comes with me he's 14 I was 9 and Henry who is gone now buys it for me, the guy gives him a hard time my brother tells me but Henry was a tuff kid and I watch him through the glass of the store window out the door he comes with my album. I went to catholic school at the time and drew the Sabbath bloody Sabbath album cover inside my note book and my mother was called into the school where she was told I was a devil worshipper. You can't make this up. Imagine that? As to what children today are exposed to. lol I'll never forget those days of waiting for albums to come out. As I look back at the Giants of those bands I am often reminded how lucky we were to be born at that time. To live amongst the greatness of that beautiful sound. Forgive me for my grammar, I never was any good in school. At 54 I bought another guitar five months I'm playing it and this time I will see it through. As a good Catholic boy I must say God bless you all, peace out!


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Title: Re: David P's Road Case
Post by: DavidP on July 19, 2017, 01:19:47 pm

I grew up in the Bronx N.Y. Having two older brothers who listened to all kinds of music Metal turned out to be my love. At 15 I had a guitar, and suddenly my world changed as my farther passed away. Sold the guitar to pay the rent and never looked back. Sabbath got me trough many dark days as I got lost in the music. I was a sick child spent most of my youth in the hospital. Still it was groups like Floyd Sabbath zeppelin and so on that pulled me through. Funny story, a record store in the Bronx I waited for the new Sabbath album to come out and rushed that day saving my pennies to buy it. I get to the store Harmony was the name of the place, union port road in the Bronx walk in search for the album . Grab it and I'm lost in the awesomeness of the cover. The album tight in my hands walk to the counter and the owner of the store won't sell it to me. Yep tells me I'm to young. Heart broken I leave the store and search for my older brother I was 9 years old at the time. My older brother Henry comes with me he's 14 I was 9 and Henry who is gone now buys it for me, the guy gives him a hard time my brother tells me but Henry was a tuff kid and I watch him through the glass of the store window out the door he comes with my album. I went to catholic school at the time and drew the Sabbath bloody Sabbath album cover inside my note book and my mother was called into the school where she was told I was a devil worshipper. You can't make this up. Imagine that? As to what children today are exposed to. lol I'll never forget those days of waiting for albums to come out. As I look back at the Giants of those bands I am often reminded how lucky we were to be born at that time. To live amongst the greatness of that beautiful sound. Forgive me for my grammar, I never was any good in school. At 54 I bought another guitar five months I'm playing it and this time I will see it through. As a good Catholic boy I must say God bless you all, peace out!
Tony,

Moving stories from your life ... we are all blessed by your sharing them.

And a great way to start your own Road Case, to share more of your experiences, the progress you make as you learn more and (of course) gear ... people here to love to look at pictures of guitars, amps and pedals  :)

Thanks for contributing

Cheers
David
Title: Re: David P's Road Case
Post by: sirloin2984 on July 19, 2017, 02:41:39 pm

I grew up in the Bronx N.Y. Having two older brothers who listened to all kinds of music Metal turned out to be my love. At 15 I had a guitar, and suddenly my world changed as my farther passed away. Sold the guitar to pay the rent and never looked back. Sabbath got me trough many dark days as I got lost in the music. I was a sick child spent most of my youth in the hospital. Still it was groups like Floyd Sabbath zeppelin and so on that pulled me through. Funny story, a record store in the Bronx I waited for the new Sabbath album to come out and rushed that day saving my pennies to buy it. I get to the store Harmony was the name of the place, union port road in the Bronx walk in search for the album . Grab it and I'm lost in the awesomeness of the cover. The album tight in my hands walk to the counter and the owner of the store won't sell it to me. Yep tells me I'm to young. Heart broken I leave the store and search for my older brother I was 9 years old at the time. My older brother Henry comes with me he's 14 I was 9 and Henry who is gone now buys it for me, the guy gives him a hard time my brother tells me but Henry was a tuff kid and I watch him through the glass of the store window out the door he comes with my album. I went to catholic school at the time and drew the Sabbath bloody Sabbath album cover inside my note book and my mother was called into the school where she was told I was a devil worshipper. You can't make this up. Imagine that? As to what children today are exposed to. lol I'll never forget those days of waiting for albums to come out. As I look back at the Giants of those bands I am often reminded how lucky we were to be born at that time. To live amongst the greatness of that beautiful sound. Forgive me for my grammar, I never was any good in school. At 54 I bought another guitar five months I'm playing it and this time I will see it through. As a good Catholic boy I must say God bless you all, peace out!


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As much as times have changed and the stuff kids are exposed to these days compared to previous years (a la Lady Ga Ga or Rihanna, lyrics to her song S&M are ridiculous for a released single, no child should be singing along to that),  I very much envy the excitement you would have felt by being able to go and grab a new vinyl and just get lost in Artwork (my Uncle was a huge Maiden fan and I would spend hours poring over the sleeves) before even putting the record on the player. My era (80s) was all about casettes and then CDs... as much as I loved getting new music to listen to, by the time I was old enough to be able to afford it that magic of enjoying the whole package has been lost. Digital music is convenient, hugely so, but it is nothing on being able to handle the record and enjoy how your collection looks on a shelf, if organised properly it looks amazing in any room. Thanks for sharing (and making me a little jealous).

Good luck in your journey, I've not long started mine and god knows I'll need it:)

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Title: Re: David P's Road Case
Post by: DavidP on July 23, 2017, 11:17:54 am
Beginning Justin's BC

In December 2016 I was chatting to a colleague, Daniel, about music in general and somehow the subject of guitar playing cropped up.  I told him my tale, culminating in this unfulfilled dream to play due to my lack of talent. Try JustinGuitar.com he said.

So on 16 December 2016, as I started annual leave with a few weeks of rest and relaxation at home to enjoy, I took out the guitar and looked at the BC.  I decided that I would do it methodically, so started with Getting Started and Stage 1.  I wanted to eliminate bad habits and trusted that the steps laid out in the lessons would work magic if I followed them.

So everyday I played ... 10-15 minutes at first and slowly got back into it.  Then picked up on some of the stage 1 BSB songs.  Three Little Birds, Love Me Do. 

My strategy was to follow on, to play with Justin as he taught the song ... those slow, steady down strums.   A couple of weeks I thought, right ... time to play along with Justin as he plays the song through to intro the lesson ... and I couldn't.  And then a while later I could ... a big moment to play Three Little Birds with Justin.

At that point I decided it was time to pick up on the chords of stage 2 and 3.  I knew these chords from the years before and felt comfortable to work on the basics of rhythm, the foot tapping, strumming with the metronome etc while pushing OMCs and practising songs.

By this time I was back at work and telling Daniel about my progress ... and anybody else who'd care to listen.

I'd also started to browse posts in this Community ... looking at videos, reading feedback about Beginners posts, silently celebrating the progress and slowly started to wonder if I could ever do the same ... 



 
 
Title: Re: David P's Road Case
Post by: DavidP on July 30, 2017, 03:44:23 pm
Hey there,

Decided to post this here as I do consider it a success story ... another moment I never imagined when I started the BC on 16 Dec 2016.  As it is not a full performance I decided not appropriate for AVOYP.

Oh and seeing as I nagged Rick about singing, which he has more than delivered and he asked about a video of me, I felt obliged to post it once I had it.  I think it was you, Rick, if not apologies  :)

I don't feel ready to perform for an audience but when I knew I'd have time on my hands I thought I could play for myself and if anybody paid attention, then so be it.  A colleague enjoyed a few of the songs and recorded a couple of clips on his phone.

I'm still getting over some of the facial contortions  :o  me and that  :P

So careful what you ask for Rick, here it is ....




Title: Re: David P's Road Case
Post by: redrhodie on July 30, 2017, 03:53:35 pm
Yay David! It's so nice to see you! You sound great and look very comfortable. Really enjoyed it.

Lynn

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Title: Re: David P's Road Case
Post by: DarrellW on July 30, 2017, 06:34:46 pm
Cool David, way cool and nice to be able to see you ;)
I have a habit of playing in the back garden (on acoustic) when I know our neighbour is out, she's a lovely young teacher and always comes to the fence and tells me I'm playing well - love it ;)
Title: Re: David P's Road Case
Post by: DavidP on August 01, 2017, 03:51:53 pm
Lynn/Darrell, thanks for taking a look and glad you enjoyed it ... was a tiny anxious moment to post this up, even knowing exactly how supportive all here are ... somehow more scary than just posting an audio ... more personal.  Now I am glad I did  :)
Title: Re: David P's Road Case
Post by: redrhodie on August 01, 2017, 04:56:17 pm
David, I actually think seeing you helped somehow. It definitely didn't hurt. I think your mellow vibe comes through better in the video.



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Title: Re: David P's Road Case
Post by: DavidP on August 01, 2017, 05:01:42 pm
David, I actually think seeing you helped somehow. It definitely didn't hurt. I think your mellow vibe comes through better in the video.
"mellow vibe" ... I'll celebrate that one  8)

Thanks Lynn  :)
Title: Re: David P's Road Case
Post by: batwoman on August 02, 2017, 02:10:39 am
Yeah, mellow vibe, in the groove, lookin' relaxed and very cooooool  8) Thanks for this David.
Title: Re: David P's Road Case
Post by: DoomedProphet on August 02, 2017, 04:10:06 am
Great job David! Looking forward to hearing more from you.

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Title: Re: David P's Road Case
Post by: DavidP on August 02, 2017, 06:08:10 am
Thanks Batwoman and DoomedProphet ... you all sure can make a man's day :)

"Looking forward to hearing more from you" ... you sure will.  Just no promises as to how much more of you may see ... don't anticipate taking the extra time needed to video my recording sessions and then try to sync the audio after mixing back with the video.
Title: Re: David P's Road Case
Post by: mikeb2102 on August 02, 2017, 02:52:18 pm
Great stuff DavidP. That's your best recording you've ever done in my opinion. I think you should stick with doing live videos, you look so relaxed and it really comes off in your singing and playing at the same time, it's a lot better. I prefer watching a video of someone singing and playing live than a video or audio where the vocals have been recorded on a different track and then synced with the guitar. So my advice is to scrap the idea of production for now and get stuck into playing and singing live and recording a completely live performance.   

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Title: Re: David P's Road Case
Post by: DavidP on August 02, 2017, 05:30:35 pm
Thanks, Mike, appreciate the feedback and suggestion. 

I am in agreement, generally speaking.  When I first started to record I used to lay the vocal over the guitar as a second track.  Was a useful step, as it allowed me to concentrate on just the playing or the singing.  A little while later ... after some similar encouragement from the community ... I recorded a few songs playing and singing together ... like a live unplugged version  :) 

I then decided that what I post in AVOYP would be just songs recorded that way.  I record my vocal and guitar via a mic and have a second track of the guitar via the acoustic's pup.  That allows me to do some mixing to try and produce the song in the best possible way.  Usually that is just a little reverb, maybe compression.  Still struggling to get to grips with EQ ... finding the frequencies to cut or boost.  The online videos are all so subtle I'm darned if I can here much difference  :)  Over time I may experiment with some other effects.

Then I also like to have a go at multi-track recordings.  Like A Hurricane and Stand By Me in the monthly competition are the two done so far.  There I have tried to do a little bit more, particularly using the DAW to create some additional MIDI instrument or percussion tracks.  A different learning experience but equally fun for me and interesting.

What is more effort than I feel is worth spending, is to try and make video recordings.  Tricky to set up and if I video my recording of an unplugged live performance would have to get the audio sync'ed back into the video after mixing and don't want to spend time on that.

Should other opportunities present for somebody else to record a "public" performance then will do that and now happily ... hmmm, still feel a little awkward about that despite the wonderful feedback, but none the less ... post them.

So that's where I am at now.

Thanks again for the encouragement!
Title: Re: David P's Road Case
Post by: mikeb2102 on August 02, 2017, 06:30:44 pm




Should other opportunities present for somebody else to record a "public" performance then will do that and now happily ... hmmm, still feel a little awkward about that despite the wonderful feedback, but none the less ... post them.


I don't think you've got anything to feel awkward about, you look so comfortable and relaxed, like the camera doesn't phase you. Perhaps you didn't even think about the camera being on you when you were playing. I'd probably be a bit different if someone else was recording me. I get really nervous, I think a lot of that has to do with me pressing record on my camera and darting back to my seating position. If someone else was recording I'd be totally ready because I'd be able to have a run through and signal the person to start recording. Maybe I should get some decent video editing software and leave the camera running until I'm ready to play and edit the stuff before I play out.

Anyway, top marks for your video mate

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Title: Re: David P's Road Case
Post by: DavidP on August 02, 2017, 08:07:25 pm
Thanks again Mike.
Title: Re: David P's Road Case
Post by: DavidP on August 05, 2017, 09:32:24 am
Time for another episode ....  ;D

Joining the Community and my first recordings

One of the things I decided would help my focus was to share what I was doing, ups and downs, and progress with friends, primarily at work ... but now I tell everybody ... helps to hear me saying what I am doing and have a achieved.

One of those influential people is danmaree, who you of course now all know after I finally persuaded him to join the Community and share his original music.

Another, Verna, is also musically inclined and earlier in the year she was taking some singing lessons.  One evening she messaged me after her lesson and imagined her singing to my accompaniment ... she believed more of me than I did of myself ... the song ... Hallelujah.  Could I play that? 

I had no idea but quickly discovered Justin's lesson.  So I started to try it ... damn that 6/8 time ... one evening it just clicked and I found myself managing to fit the words and changes together in a way that sounded OK to me.  So I thought, why not try and record it and share that with Verna ... I was very pleased with myself  :D

I made this first recording using a USB headset and Audacity.  I positioned the mic of the headset in such a place that it was picking up both my singing and guitar and made the recording.  I shared it with Verna and Daniel (danmaree).  They were both so encouraging.

As an aside, Daniel then shared his song posted into the competition.  I don't know what I expected, the deprecating way in which he framed it ... I was astonished, not what I expected at all ... a song that I think is a small step away from being radio ready and sounded like the work of a signed up band to me.

Anyway, then I started humming and hawing ... should I or shouldn't I ... become visible and active on the Community.  And I made a great decision ... to join.  I posted my Intro, discovered the need to post 5 posts and finally decided to post that first recording ... a seriously scary moment. 

This was it ... for the record (excuse the pun) ...https://soundcloud.com/david-preece-24770685/hallelujah-20170222 (https://soundcloud.com/david-preece-24770685/hallelujah-20170222) 

And of course the comments were so encouraging, some suggestions about capos and playing then singing to give both attention. 

And by that time I'd decided that I'd probably changed the tempo (apologies Leonard), Richard aka Close2u confirmed that for me, but in such a gentle way ... I felt OK ... sure it was not right.  But it sounded OK and I was up and riding so to speak ... onto the wave (ooooh lovely mixed metaphor on wave ... surfing .... music) and haven't looked back.

The next recording I tried the play first/overdub vocal approach.  I could position that headset mic closer to the guitar.  And then stuck the headset on to hear the guitar and add the vocal.  Much better I think.  As I recall I also played this with a metronome going in the background.  Still on Audacity.

And here it is ... https://soundcloud.com/david-preece-24770685/walk-the-line-20170321 (https://soundcloud.com/david-preece-24770685/walk-the-line-20170321)

And that's enough for this post ... the story is long, hopefully at least a little interesting, maybe even  entertaining and most hopefully a little encouraging to those of you out there wondering about recording and what is possible ...

Next time we need to talk about the early onset of GAS ...

Ciao

 

Title: Re: David P's Road Case
Post by: DavidP on August 06, 2017, 09:18:17 am
Gotta get this Road Case up to where I am, so another episode

Hmmm ... in the words of Pink Floyd ... Is there anybody out there ... hope some folk are quietly reading and worth more than just a record for my personal reflections ...

The onset of GAS

One of the things I always dreamed about when dreaming about being able to play guitar was to have a 12 string just like my friend at varsity who showed me my first chords.  He played an Ibanez 12 string that sounded beautiful ... warm and rich.

Looking back it was a fanciful dream and perhaps naive in terms of a deeper appreciation of tones and 12 vs 6 strings, be that as it may ...

So I decided to incentivise myself ... if I stuck at the BC for 3 months and made progress ... I know that is a bit of a loophole in terms of progress being subjective ... then I'd level-up my guitar and get a 12 string.

One afternoon I dropped in at a music store on my way home from delivering some training at an off-site venue, which was conveniently at the point where I get on the highway to head home.  I played a few 12 strings, all of which felt marvelous to play and sounded better than my Celebrity 6 string.  At least based on the quick little noodle which was all I had time for as the shop was closing up. But I felt I had direction and the money seemed OK.  I was ready ...

And then I came across the specific 12 I was looking at in one of our local online shopping sites ... came across ... OK, I was looking to see if they were available and at what price.  Cut a long story short they were and the price was better.  Then one day those clever online marketers dropped the price and pushed me an email ... and availability was low.

So I said ... WTF (apologies, hope that is not a language violation) ... and bought it.

To give you an idea ... justifying my actions ... it was about 45%-55% cheaper than what you'd pay in a music shop, depending on which one you went to (gotta shop around down here). Still more than if I do a straight comparison with what you pay over in the US or Europe based on current RoE and there's not the same second hand market, judging by some of the discussions I've followed here.  We definitely pay a premium on gear down in SA, our economy, demand, import duty policies ... have sympathy.

It arrived within a couple of days, looked beautiful, played easily but ... and here's the big lesson ... when I strummed the first chord I did get an immediate WOW ... it was OK, sounded good ... better than the Celebrity ... but there was no spark of immediate love and connection.  And knowing what I know now, I should've re-packed it and returned immediately.  But I was new to online buying of anything other than commodities, second-guessed my feelings, didn't want to lose face with the family (embarrassing one to admit that one) so I hung on to it.

And here it is ...

(http://i.imgur.com/FkmBU3V.jpg)

Later I did more research and learned about woods and tone.  It is a maple body, solid wood so bright and clear and beautiful, a big sound, lovely sustain on every note ... just not the warmth I was looking for.  Now I know why.  And when I thought ... hmmm ... maybe I should return it, I was just outside the window ... lesson learned, fortunately not too much money and not a bad guitar ... just never going to be the "love of my life"

At about the same time, early March 2017 3 months in, I'd got hooked on the recording.  And the messing around with the USB headset was annoying.  So I started researching home recording.  I'd learnt my lesson so did a whole lot more research this time.  All about what was involved, the gear, the options.  Not enough to be an expert but more than a vague awareness.  I also consulted with Daniel.  Ironically after the first conversation on this topic back in January, I'd said I couldn't see myself buying this stuff ... famous last words  ;)

Anyway, cut a long story short ... I settled on either FocusRite or Presonus and that a starter kit would make most sense.  All dependent on what was available.  Finally purchased a FocusRite kit, with DI, mic and headphones.  Then went back to the store the next day for a mic stand ... they ought to have asked me about that ... service isn't always top notch ... hmmm, often actually dodgy.  Anyhow, here it is ...

(http://i.imgur.com/sugVXk5.jpg)

Set about setting it all up and downloading the free DAW ... Ableton Live 9 Lite.  And soon as I was ready to make that first recording.

Here it is, played on the Ibanez and the vocal overdubbed as per suggestions received after posting my first two attempts.

https://soundcloud.com/david-preece-24770685/love-me-do-20170326 (https://soundcloud.com/david-preece-24770685/love-me-do-20170326)

Daniel and Verna had a good laugh at my change from "can't see me needing that" to "hey, check out my latest recording in my "home studio" ...

Now the "play the guitar" journey had become play, sing, record and mix covers at home ... but at this point just record the guitar and my singing ... well that didn't last long  :)

But have to say, for all those of you wondering what is possible.  I'm 51 years young and would've told you that you were taking something cool in January if you'd told me what I would be doing in March ...

So have faith, practise, enjoy the ride and you may astonish yourself ... I know I have  8)

Ciao
Title: Re: David P's Road Case
Post by: close2u on August 06, 2017, 09:56:04 am
Wow wow wow all round David.
Looks like you're well set for some time to come.
Lovely 12 string.
Keep on recording and exploring that kit.
Title: Re: David P's Road Case
Post by: DarrellW on August 06, 2017, 10:17:08 am
Nice one David........ except you've got me thinking 12 string now and I already have 3 acoustics!!!
I did have an Echo Ranger 12 years ago, it was great fun to tune and a right proverbial pain when the strings needed changing, but the sound....
I would really love a Rickenbacker 12 to do the classic Byrd's stuff but.......... ;)
Title: Re: David P's Road Case
Post by: awooly on August 06, 2017, 11:35:08 am
Enjoyed reading your journey to date David, good stuff.


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Title: Re: David P's Road Case
Post by: DavidP on August 06, 2017, 05:04:02 pm
awooly, Darrell & Richard, thanks for the responses, good to get some feedback and at least know this journal is being read.  Have the bit between the teeth now and on a roll, so here's the next stretch ...

Consolidation, Competition and BC Stage 4

At this point I was starting to get quite carried away.  I'd be checking out the monthly competition entries (probably commenting) and decided why not enter ... nothing bad could come of it and the feedback from Justin was a big incentive. 

So I entered the April Competition with a another go at Walk the Line.  I also decided it might be fun to explore what could be done with the DAW in terms of creating a MIDI percussion track ... undeterred by lack of knowledge, I made a four track recording: guitar recorded simultaneously with builtin pup and mic, MIDI percussion and an overdubbed vocal. 

https://soundcloud.com/david-preece-24770685/walk-the-line-2017-04-09 (https://soundcloud.com/david-preece-24770685/walk-the-line-2017-04-09)

Good feedback as always from the Community but in the end didn't get feedback from Justin.  I'd have to wait for that.

Somewhere around this time I also decided I'd consolidated adequately on stages 1-3 and should commence stage 4.  This was a bit daunting as in all my years of dabbling chords like B7 and C7 had always been a bridge too far.

I concentrated on B7 (maybe a mistake not to work as hard on C7 at the same time...not sure).  And after my practice drills I'd work on stage 1-3 songs.

During this time I was back and forth between overdubbing the vocal and playing and singing together.  I also continued to learn more about mixing and for one of the songs posted a straight and mixed version, with general feedback confirming the mixed was a better version.

Here links to those songs:

https://soundcloud.com/david-preece-24770685/bad-moon-rising-2017-04-14-mixed (https://soundcloud.com/david-preece-24770685/bad-moon-rising-2017-04-14-mixed)
https://soundcloud.com/david-preece-24770685/this-land-is-your-land-20170422 (https://soundcloud.com/david-preece-24770685/this-land-is-your-land-20170422)
https://soundcloud.com/david-preece-24770685/mad-world-20170430 (https://soundcloud.com/david-preece-24770685/mad-world-20170430)
https://soundcloud.com/david-preece-24770685/st-james-infirmary-blues-20170513 (https://soundcloud.com/david-preece-24770685/st-james-infirmary-blues-20170513)

Mad World was a significant moment ... I overdubbed the vocal and as I recall it was Lynn aka redrhodie who encouraged me to just trust myself and rather just play and sing together.  So a few days later I gave it a go and made a better recording for it.

St James Infirmary was another where my first version was an overdubbed vocal and I really struggled with the phrasing.  A couple of weeks later it somehow clicked and I made a second recording playing and singing together that was significantly better.  Still not perfect, but much better.

The links above are to the better versions (no need to subject you to the poorer versions, assuming some folk may be giving some of these a listen  ;) ). 

At that point I decided that posts to AVOYP should be simple recordings of me playing and singing, with light touch on the mixing.

BTW, I learnt a tremendous about mixing watching videos and reading on this site https://www.recordingrevolution.com/ (https://www.recordingrevolution.com/)  If you are getting into this aspect of music then I'd recommend this site.

In May I continued my experimentation with the DAW and MIDI tracks to record and produce a version of Stand By Me for the Competition.  This recording had more percussion plus a short MIDI piano track for the instrumental interlude between choruses with the usual dual recorded guitar and over-dubbed vocal.  There were a few moments where the timing was off but by now my policy was this ...

No bad mistakes, like missed or incorrect chord changes ... flaws in the vocal timing or delivery, the odd messy change ... well that was acceptable.  I also decided that I'd not get into editing tracks and splicing multiple takes etc to fix errors.  I'm opting for a more faithful record of where I am, warts and all.

But I was really pleased with how this came out ... https://soundcloud.com/david-preece-24770685/stand-by-me-20170515 (https://soundcloud.com/david-preece-24770685/stand-by-me-20170515)

Seems like a good point to take a break ... almost up to date  :)

Then you'll be glad to know that updates will be more frequent and much shorter  ;)

Ciao
Title: Re: David P's Road Case
Post by: DavidP on August 09, 2017, 11:47:41 am
Almost up to date  :)

It's not a linear journey ...


As time passed I found that I had gone from B7 is impossibe to being able to start using it in a couple of songs.  I picked Killing Me Softly and later added Dock of the Bay.

But I was starting to feel that things were a little too routine ... so decided to start on BC Stage 5, even though I considered myself not done with Stage 4.

I found the new chords quite straight forward but this triplet rhythm ... that was another story.  After reading some posts I settled on counting at as 1 tic toc 2 tic toc which felt better than 1 trip let ... no idea why.  But it felt really wooden.  What eventually helped me to get it was playing along with the lesson ... seems obvious ... but once I understood it I'd practiced with a metronome.  It clicked into place all of a sudden playing along to the lesson.

Later in May I felt ready and finally declared Stage 4 done by recording the two songs:

https://soundcloud.com/david-preece-24770685/killing-me-softly-20170520 (https://soundcloud.com/david-preece-24770685/killing-me-softly-20170520)
https://soundcloud.com/david-preece-24770685/dock-of-the-bay-20170520 (https://soundcloud.com/david-preece-24770685/dock-of-the-bay-20170520)

Given the historical struggles, it was a big deal for me to play these songs.

The next struggle was finding a song to play with the triplet strumming.  Sure, lots of options in the BSB but just couldn't get them to sound right.

And while I was struggling away at that I figured it was time to start Stage 6.

Now I am fortunate ... the one thing I did get right  in my earlier attempts along with basic open chords was F ... the full barre chord.  I'd also managed to get the "Old Faithful" rhythm when I took a few lessons with a work colleague.  So Stage 6 was not a major stage for me.  Stage 4 and 5 were far more challenging.

I also recorded a few more songs, one from the BSB ...

https://soundcloud.com/david-preece-24770685/love-is-all-around-2017-06-02 (https://soundcloud.com/david-preece-24770685/love-is-all-around-2017-06-02)

Not a song I ever thought I'd play but felt quite relaxed playing it and was pleased to be able to settle into a reasonable sounding rhythm quite easily.

Then there was this song performed by Rodriguez.  He was a cult figure in South Africa and I it was one song I always felt I could play and sound OK ...

https://soundcloud.com/david-preece-24770685/jane-s-piddy-20170616 (https://soundcloud.com/david-preece-24770685/jane-s-piddy-20170616)

And then it was June Competition time.  I picked a song that showcases Stage 6 skills, Neil Young's Like A Hurricane. It was another multi-track projects with some backing created with the DAW's MIDI Editor plus two guitar parts.  One playing more of a riff than full chord rhythm pattern which I applied an amp effect to, aiming for it to have a rock feel and sound. 

I was pleased with the results, despite finding getting everything to be in sync a big challenge ... two guitars plus synth backing and the vocal ... so it is a bit messy.

And to cap my month, I got wonderful feedback from Justin. 

A fitting way to end this episode...

https://soundcloud.com/david-preece-24770685/like-a-hurricane-20160617 (https://soundcloud.com/david-preece-24770685/like-a-hurricane-20160617)

Ciao
Title: Re: David P's Road Case
Post by: DavidP on August 10, 2017, 09:09:41 am
A severe attack of GAS

In early July my wife and I went to a Music Expo.  A most enjoyable day out looking, listening and a little playing ... resisted the urge to buy anything more than a foot stand.

But I did pick up a business card for a shop that deals in collectibles and used guitars ... that got me to thinking ... maybe a used electric?  Then another thought occurred ... maybe such thoughts should be branded as dangerous and kept under lock and key ... what if I sold the 6 and 12 strings?  Maybe I'd be able to get a 6 for an affordable price that was a guitar that I could fall in love with ... I wonder.  Risky thing that I wonder.

So the following Saturday I went off to a Guitar Shop ... well shop doesn't do this outlet justice.  I'd been to the local shops, which was fun but not spectacular ... this place is spectacular.  More guitars under one roof than I've ever seen before, even a stage to test out big sound systems for performing bands.

I got chatting, explained what I was thinking, the kind of sound I like and soon the lady was bringing me guitars ... just sit, play and give me feedback.  Really exciting, lots of fun and it was wonderful to play so many guitars that sounded better than 6 or 12 and were also easy to play. 

And then the lightening bolt moment ... just one strum and I was in love.  A warm beautiful tone and even the chords that have never sounded that pleasing to my ear ... specifically open D7 ... sounded wonderful.  I kept comparing but knew that if I was to upgrade this was the one for me.

During the week I researched selling the others ... no deal ... market to small and the used dude is smart ... he doesn't build up inventory and our market is small, not liquid.  But by then I was decided, I would buy the new 6 and look to sell the others buy other means.

The next weekend I came home with the new 6.  My missus took one look "not another guitar".  Luckily she can also play (is busy when time permits learning the bass).  Quick as a flash I put the new guitar in her hands ... phew ... same response ... "what beautiful tone and feel to play".

Here it is ... a Fender Paramount PM-1 Deluxe ...

(http://i.imgur.com/KZuLaTl.png)

Playing wise I kept plugging away at stage 5 and 6 songs ... I confess more playing than practising.  And I made the following recordings:

https://soundcloud.com/david-preece-24770685/house-of-the-rising-sun-20170702 (https://soundcloud.com/david-preece-24770685/house-of-the-rising-sun-20170702)
https://soundcloud.com/david-preece-24770685/knocking-on-heavens-door-20170805 (https://soundcloud.com/david-preece-24770685/knocking-on-heavens-door-20170805)
https://soundcloud.com/david-preece-24770685/hillbrow-20170805 (https://soundcloud.com/david-preece-24770685/hillbrow-20170805)

I also decided that it was high time to look into stage 7.  Lots of interesting stuff ... strumming with a bass note, power chords and minor pentatonic.  Power chords in particular a challenge ... finger tip applying pressure but not a full barre ... kind of confusing ... but I know I'll get it!

Ciao


Title: Re: David P's Road Case
Post by: DavidP on August 10, 2017, 09:17:25 am
And that's my journey ... from a first Em in 1984 to starting the Justin BC on Dec 16th.  I'm 6.5 months in and playing, singing and recording in ways I never believed would be possible for me.

It shows again that with disciplined practice, the right teacher and a willingness to try, get it wrong and try again learning an instrument does not require divine or genetic talent.

And this Community was equally unexpected and invaluable in the learning and experience.

There are too many people to list by name, who have encouraged me and offered sound advice ... people who feel like friends even though we have only met here, sharing our common love of music and desire to be musicians.

As LB would say ROCK ON !!!
Title: Re: David P's Road Case
Post by: close2u on August 10, 2017, 10:19:08 am
I tried a Fence Paramount in my acoustic quest last summer.
Very nice.
Great journey you're on.
 8)
Title: Re: David P's Road Case
Post by: DavidP on August 10, 2017, 01:57:19 pm
I tried a Fence Paramount in my acoustic quest last summer.
Very nice.
Great journey you're on.
 8)
Thanks Richard !!

It sure is ... certainly lots of guitar for me to grow into to get the best from it.
Title: Re: David P's Road Case
Post by: troy on September 23, 2017, 12:29:47 am
Hey David !

Just catching up with some of the cases here and yours is great !

I'm a bit disappointed that the ones relating to your GAS don't end up with you realising that the guitar you've always lusted after is a Hobner (265 Export !),  I'll forgive you that for now.

 Listened to a lot of your recordings and envy your capabilities ! 

If you lived closer you'd definitely be in the band. As you are aware from my vid, (in this thread somewhere  https://justinguitarcommunity.com/index.php?topic=42205.0 (https://justinguitarcommunity.com/index.php?topic=42205.0) ) it's not a particularly high benchmark but HEY! It's a band right ? Who cares when you get to our age. I'll be 52 next April and I'm having a whale of a time rediscovering my musical inability !

Really nice story David. Keep us updated.
Title: Re: David P's Road Case
Post by: DavidP on September 23, 2017, 05:52:10 am
Hey Troy,

Thanks for reading, listening and for such complimentary feedback.

But mostly, thanks for posting in that way you do that,  that style that brings a smile to my face and a laugh out loud.

As for Hobner...who knows...I know an electric lies ahead and always thought a semi-solid would be my preference.  :)

Maybe I shall check local eBay. That other dude you posted (read yesterday with no time to comment) made it sing so beautiful.

But maybe a tele or an lp style .... who knows. Something in the future for after BC is completed.
Title: Re: David P's Road Case
Post by: embishop on October 02, 2017, 09:18:49 pm
David, you're a wonderful storyteller, so I've very much enjoyed reading through your road case. I grew up listening to much of the same music as you, largely influenced by an older cousin. He put me on to Queen, and Elton John, and The Stones, and then I found my way from there to some of my favourites, Breakfast in America, and Rumours, and The Doobie Brothers, and Clapton - tons of great music. My parents weren't big music fans - I listened to a lot of talk radio growing up! - but I did learn a love for Simon & Garfunkel from my dad, and a gem called Mama Tried as sung by the great Everly Brothers (was only about 10 years ago I realized that was a Merle Haggard song!!) The Everly Brothers - Roots, an old 8-track where the time had to be equal so half of one song would play on one track and then the other half would come up next. We've gone back to vinyl now but we'll never go back to those old 8-tracks! And I also have to confess to having listened to a bit of ABBA as well lol.

I listened through a bunch of your sound clips. What a great record of your learning journey! You started off with a good base from your younger years, but I can definitely hear your skills and your confidence improving. I especially enjoyed being able to see you in a video 😃 I need to learn more about recording, so I can do more than hit record on Garage Band on my iPhone, so I also checked out your recordingrevolution.com link. We already have some stuff that we did a bit of recording on years ago, so now I'm going to need to dust it all off and see if I can really figure it out. My problem is time, not enough of it. Gotta figure out how to shift a little more time into making music.

Anyway, quite enjoyed reading through. I'll be looking forward to the next instalment, here and/or AVOYP.

Mari
Title: Re: David P's Road Case
Post by: DavidP on October 03, 2017, 05:57:02 am
Mari,

What an unexpected, delightful surprise to check in this morning and find your comment here.  I'm so glad you enjoyed my stories and appreciate the acknowledgement of progress.  That acknowledgement is invaluable to keep me well tuned (excused the pun) in terms of my own self-assessment of how I am doing.

As for story-telling, that also is something learned.  I joined Toastmasters in 2006 and have been an active member ever since.  Learning how to deliver a message in a short speech, structuring and delivering as a story or sequence of stories took years, lots of study and feedback ... just like guitar   :)

But as you say, time is the biggest constraint now.  There was that lengthy conversation about the 10,000 hours, natural talent and deliberate practice.  I am a firm believer that if I spent a lot more quality hours in my study and practice, ideally with somebody to provide more detailed specific feedback I'd improve faster.  And it is that which frames ultimately how "good" I may get.  I'm re-reading a Neil Young biography and again it stands out how much effort went into learning to play and write songs.

The same goes for recording.  Graham always says the best way to get better at mixing is to mix more songs.  With time and money I'd love to sign up for his Duelling Mixes programme.

As for the next installment, I'd say it is around the corner.  I am just waiting for the Sep competition to be wrapped up and will then use that as the next milestone.  As I said in one of my responses, it felt like a new and significant high point when I recorded it and the feedback as (gratifyingly) confirmed my6 own sense.

And now (he, winked, putting a tease out) am already busy with the next milestone that I could never have imagined on Dec 16th, 2016 when I commenced the BC.

Thanks again, chat soon ...
Title: Re: David P's Road Case
Post by: Emma-rkr on October 03, 2017, 04:05:57 pm
:)

But I was only 8 years old at the time.

And to be fair they did create some pretty good pop back in the day....think I'd take them over some of the teen idols of more recent times....

I love your story/start in to the music world David, it's so cool how you got in to it all!  :)
My parents grew up in the 1980s, so that era of music is my favourite, so many great songs and singers...

And yes I agree with you there, ABBA did some amazing music: Crazy World, Pied Piper, One Man One Woman, etc, etc. I think most singers and groups have their good songs and then the not so good ones :)
Title: Re: David P's Road Case
Post by: DavidP on October 03, 2017, 04:25:51 pm
Thanks Em, glad you enjoyed it  :)
Title: Re: David P's Road Case
Post by: DavidP on October 14, 2017, 10:12:00 am
September songs and success

Couple of months since my last update and September was a big month for me ... a month to remember and celebrate.

In August and September the Monthly contest returned to an open format. 

In August I had a crack at David Gray's This Years Love.  For the contest I again dabbled with multi-tracks, over-dubbed vocals and use of effects in the DAW.  Let's say the results were mixed  :)  But having spent a Sat producing the contest submission, I decided on Sunday to just do a "live & unplugged" version.  I was quite pleased with how this turned out, a few mistakes but managed to get the time signature feel, a little more dynamics and accents ...

https://soundcloud.com/david-preece-24770685/this-years-love-live-20170813 (https://soundcloud.com/david-preece-24770685/this-years-love-live-20170813) 

One Sunday morning I was doing what I enjoy doing ... checking out what was new in the JG Community before getting up and into the day ... and there was Mari and her partner playing Nobody Knows You When You're Down and Out.  Mari was playing it in the EC Unplugged style.  It sounded great and I wondered if it might be another option to explore to work on the triplet bluesy strumming.

I found some simple chords and surprised myself by being able to fit the vocal into the rhythm pattern (other than occasionally adding an extra half a bar in at one point) relatively quickly.

It is pleasing to feel that I appear at times to be able to learn to play a new song that sounds OK far more quickly than was the case earlier in the year.

Here's my rendition.  One day I intend to be ale to play it like Mari does ... that would be quite delightful.

https://soundcloud.com/david-preece-24770685/nobody-knows-you-when-you're-down-and-out-20170818 (https://soundcloud.com/david-preece-24770685/nobody-knows-you-when-you're-down-and-out-20170818)

Now in between working on the techniques of stage 5 & 6, I tend to be working on a couple of songs at this point I was concentrating on Tom Waits's Chocolate Jesus.  But as they say, variety is the spice of life.  So some evenings, I end up just flipping through my copies of the BSBs and noodling around with whatever catches my eye.

One particular evening the book fell open on Van Morrison's Brown Eyed Girl ... hmmm, I thought ... earlier in the year I'd worked on playing the song, one I really enjoy.  I went from struggling with the chords to being able to more or less play along with Justin when he showcases it at the start of the lesson.  But the "pumping 8s" build up was a big problem and just couldn't fit the lyrics in at all ... hmmm, I wonder ...

And on a second play through it was starting to come together ... nobody more surprised than I was, given that I hadn't given it any attention for months.  Anyhow, the tempo is a little slow, the "pumping 8s" aren't really pumping smoothly yet and I did have a moment in the best take where I almost choked myself, but all that aside I shall celebrate my progress as evidenced by being able to play it through in an OK way.

https://soundcloud.com/david-preece-24770685/brown-eyed-girl-20170902 (https://soundcloud.com/david-preece-24770685/brown-eyed-girl-20170902)

Back to Chocolate Jesus ...

I'd been plodding away at trying to develop a way to play it that sounded OK.  A bit tricky for the Beginner given that the Tom Waits version is an arrangement that isn't one you can easily try and replicate on your acoustic and, of course, the classic Beth Hart rendition backed by Joe Bonamassa may be awesome and inspirational but not totally educational ..

Again, better cut my long stories short ... finally figured out a way to play it and decided to approach the September contest a little differently ... deliver a "live & unplugged" that was representative of me at my best.  Now that sounds fine, but somehow it was easier to submit entries that were stretch projects, more experimental ... criticism of flaws easy to swallow. 

But this one sounded really good to me ... variation, accents, pauses, even some different chord voicings in the outro ... what if my self-assessment was way off the mark?

Luckily the feedback confirmed my own self-assessment and this rendition serves as my personal best, something that I feel I can play for people with apologising for mistakes and flaws.  And make no mistake, I'll play it for anybody who shows a hint of interest  :)  If you missed it in the contest, here it is ...

https://soundcloud.com/david-preece-24770685/chocolate-jesus-20170902 (https://soundcloud.com/david-preece-24770685/chocolate-jesus-20170902)

And on that note time to sign-off this episode ...

Watch out for the next episode ... the story has taken me to places I never imagined already, but little did I know what was coming next when I uploaded Brown Eyed Girl ....
Title: Re: David P's Road Case
Post by: troy on October 14, 2017, 11:04:47 pm
I really hate the fact that you sing in tune !

The only thing letting you down is your guitar. It sounds awful  :) Get yourself a half decent Hobner and this would be perfect.   :)

Really good job mate.

Troy





Title: Re: David P's Road Case
Post by: DavidP on October 15, 2017, 07:09:01 am
Thanks Troy

Resisting any resurgence of the costly GAS, so shall have to live with that acoustic  :)

Proud of myself...yesterday got a promo email from the mega guitar store, with a special 1000-1330 time-boxed sale announcement - an extra 20% off everything,  even items already on special. And I knew there was one of those multi fx units with built in looper on special. It was tempting, so tempting. After all, I know I will need one eventually... to enahnce the sound of the Hobner, or whatever pale imitation of an electric I eventually get. But I resisted. Trust in the Force...when the time is right the deals will be there :)
Title: Re: David P's Road Case
Post by: embishop on October 16, 2017, 12:52:31 pm
I love the little teasers you leave at the end! And I made it into your Road Case update!!

David, apart from the fact that you are a very entertaining story teller, this is such an interesting read. It's an interesting read now, but for you when you come back to it after some time has passed it will really be incredible.

It's such a nice feeling to be confident about playing a few songs. That leads to more success, and more confidence - and one day we'll both be playing at the level we aspire to 😃 Treasure those personal bests - I certainly am for me! Although I do have to get on with it and try transcribing another one ...

Keep playing!!!

Oh and ps I sent to have been struck with what I hope is just a little bit of GAS - I need a new amp!

Mari

Title: Re: David P's Road Case
Post by: DavidP on October 16, 2017, 02:18:21 pm
You sure did, Mari ... your rendition of NKYWYDaO was inspirational.  Such a great song and so pleased to be able to play an acceptable version.

Equally glad that you are reading and enjoying the story.  As I've said before, I do this for me as a record but also in the hopes that it may serve as encouragement to other people learning to play.  I don't consider myself to be especially talented or gifted, just love music and have lived the three Ps ... practise, patience & perseverance.   So if I can do it then so can others.

As for coming back, I just realised that this Sunday it will be exactly 8 months since I made my first recording ... that 4/4 version of a single verse of Hallelujah  :)

Now I'm in stage 7 and have been working at little runs and riffs along with the bass note between strums.  And I am able to play the run between the C & G chords Justin plays in his lesson.  So maybe it is just the right time to have another go at Hallelujah ... a version with the little run, actually with the 6/8 feel and a few more verses would be improvement ... even if I again happen to add in/leave out strums  :)

As for aspirations.  Now there's a thing.  At the moment I have no great long-term aspiration.  For now being able to play a song in finger-style seems a sufficiently demanding aspiration ... just to finish and consolidate the BC.  And then the IM, an electric and to be able to do some simple lead playing, like you all are doing for the Oct competition.  After that, well who knows ... given all that has happened in the 10 months ... goodness it is exactly 10 months today ... since I started the BC, things that I couldn't even have imagined let alone thought might be possible, who knows ...

As you say ... we shall just keep on playing.

PS Enjoy shopping for that new amp  8)
Title: Re: David P's Road Case
Post by: DavidP on November 16, 2017, 03:52:31 pm
Going beyond my dreams

October was a month to celebrate in my guitar journey...three big memorable moments.

First up I thought it was time to have another go at Neil Young's Like A Hurricane.  For this go I played and sang simultaneously, at least that way my out of time singing and playing will be reasonably in sync  ;D  using my condensor gives me a track that is both guitar and vocal ... ideally I'd like vocal with a little guitar bleeding in but what I get is way beyond bleed.  At the same time I also record just the guitar using the built-in pickup.  Mixing this track I made some duplicates of the solo guitar, panned hard left and right with some amp sim plugins.  I was aiming to have some of that NY distorted rock sound behind the acoustic.  I was really happy with how the overall song turned out, evening throwing in a couple of melody lines.  Sure, a few missed notes, changes and beats but that's OK.  Here it is in case you missed it ...

https://soundcloud.com/david-preece-24770685/like-a-hurricane-20171008 (https://soundcloud.com/david-preece-24770685/like-a-hurricane-20171008)

But October was really all about the collaboration project ... beyond my wildest dreams and guitar fantasies ...

After posting Brown Eyed Girl, I got a PM from Roman aka Schlaffenwagen ... the master producer and deliverer of many awesome songs made with many different folk.  He liked my cover and suggested a collaboration.

Goodness I thought ... he's losing his mind ... I can't play like the people he produces.  So I politely thanked him and said one day maybe ...

Then I got to thinking ... what would my coach say to me ... what would I say to somebody ... be brave, be bold, trust his judgement.

So cut a long story short we started exploring the idea, picked a song and you've heard the final result ... I was astonished ... https://soundcloud.com/schlaffenwagen/my-my-hey-hey-out-of-the-blue (https://soundcloud.com/schlaffenwagen/my-my-hey-hey-out-of-the-blue)

It has to be said that I am very much the junior in this "band" ... what a treat to be part of this with Roman and Kasper.  I learned a lot and grew a lot through working on a song which had some parts beyond my play grade ... OK, I never managed to play those parts well enough for the final mix but I can play them "badly" which is better than I could play them before ... in due course I shall inflict my David beginner attempt upon a now forewarned community.

I also experienced first hand the wisdom of what [email protected] Revolution says in terms of producing a radio-ready song ... cause my friends tell me this is radio ready.  It is a 6 step process ...

1) Write a good song ... we picked Neil Young's classic ... can't go wrong
2) Arrangement ... this was interesting.  After much discussion we agreed how we'd like to marry NY's acoustic and electric versions into our cover ... making it something different and interesting
3) Record ... getting a quality recording is a challenge, especially acoustic guitar
4) Edit ... I shan't go into the details, but suffice is to say that roman with some help from Kasper did significant work editing the various tracks to ensure a tight performance
5) Mix ... again loads of effort to get that song sounding the way it finally does.  Now I am inspired to try and mix my own vocals to sound at least a little closer to how Roman made me sound
6) Master ... more significant when publishing a number of songs on an album and for different media.

What can I say, this project is a highlight and memory that will stay with me for the rest of my days.

And I can only say, an enormous thank you to Roman and Kasper ... they were special in so many ways.

And I wasn't done for October ...

When I realised that it was approaching 8 months to the day since I made my first recording ... verse 1 plus the chorus of Hallelujah, I though it was time to have another go ... exactly how much have I learnt and improved.

The answer was clear ... enormous.  I've never set any long term goals or had any particular expectation ... just want to be better and be able to say I can play.  I never expected to get into recording and mixing and I have now dipped a toe or two into that ocean.  My ears are also better ... I can hear subtle difference between my straight and mixed versions of the song ... at least in my mind I do.  And after posting it I enjoyed the confirmation of my own opinion from those who listen and share their thoughts over in the AVOYP section of the Community Website.  And being able to throw in some of the walk ups from C to G was cool.

https://soundcloud.com/david-preece-24770685/hallelujah-20171021-mixed (https://soundcloud.com/david-preece-24770685/hallelujah-20171021-mixed)

OK, so still not got the tempo right.  In fact my friend Verna told me that it sounded good but after listening to Bon Jovi's cover something seemed not quite right ... yeah, playing it in 4/4 when the rest of the world plays it 6/8 will do that.  But it's fine ... next time ...

So next episode may reflect on take 3 of Hallelujah.  Back to a fuller arrangement with MIDI tracks, guitar and vocal ... and using the DAW metronome and backing will make sure I play it in 6/8.

Also closer to another blues classic ...

As always, thanks to all of you who listen, comments, read and generally encourage me that I am getting better
Title: Re: David P's Road Case
Post by: MrBumble on November 16, 2017, 04:11:02 pm
Well done David.

As ever you give us something to aspire to. My own aspirations are rather more modest but when all is said and done it's the music that matters and the enjoyment of making and listening to it with friends.

I've enjoyed reading your journey and it gives me great encouragement (one of the wonderful things about this forum is the atmosphere of support and encouragement).

You have also (along with Mari and Wheelin' Rev) inspired mt to put my own Road Case up on here.

Thanks again. 
Title: Re: David P's Road Case
Post by: embishop on November 16, 2017, 07:22:42 pm
Thanks for posting your update, David, you're always an interesting and entertaining read - I'd invite you out for a drink to chat some more (okay diet coke for me lol) if you weren't on the other side of the world!  :)

And "Also closer to another blues classic ..." - I'm wondering where that one's headed :) ...

Mari

Title: Re: David P's Road Case
Post by: sdd56 on November 16, 2017, 09:17:25 pm
That's a good read David - when you posted your first version of Hallelujah, I marked you down as someone on about the same level as me (apart from the fact you could sing at the same time as playing - a skill which still eludes me).

But you are now streets ahead of me. Although I disagree about Chocolate Jesus being your best - that just has to be your rendition of Jane S Piddy - excellent version.

My excuse is that I don't get much time to practice during the Summer... but I think your natural talent is more likely the reason!

Looking forward to hearing more of your projects.
Stan
Title: Re: David P's Road Case
Post by: DavidP on November 17, 2017, 04:31:01 pm
MrBumble, Mari, Stan - thanks for reading my Road Case and taking the time to reply.

MrBumble .... I have to say when I started 11 months ago my aspirations were ever so modest, just wanted to see if I could finally begin to learn and stick at it.  But every little step forward opens my mind to another possibility, and as I say, what I think about being possible today is beyond what I even dreamed about when I started.  So stick with it.  I totally agree with your sentiments re making music, enjoying it with friends (my musical friends are all here in the Community) and encouraging each other. And I love the way we all encourage each other.

Mari ... mine is a ... hmmmm .... OK, I am flexible when it comes to drinks and not fussed by what choice others make ... but guess if we are out chatting music and life, perhaps in a quite little place with some live muso strumming and singing some acoustic blues in the background, then mine would be a malt whiskey  :)  On the blues, let's just say your favourite man plays it but I can't play it in that style ... yet

Stan ... I'd say it's all about practice, rather than natural talent.  I don't consider myself to be talented.  Some may say Daniel aka pastie who just posted a version of Layla is talented but then he has probably put in 3-4 times the number hours as I have over a similar period of months.  And he shows how much you can progress with dedicated effort.  I practice and/or play probably 3-4 days a week and now average maybe an hour a session, maybe a little less.  So if you can put in a little more time on a regular basis I am sure you will improve.  And I also found working towards these recording projects serves as a goal to achieve.  And of course the comparisons with others serve little purpose other than maybe to inspire one ... I look at Gareth aka garfield, Pam aka pkbook and Johan aka lofegren finger-picking away and remember back when they were strumming songs much like I do now and think, well if they can do it then so can I!!  Glad to hear how much you enjoyed Jane S Piddy ... I guess you are a Sixto Rodrigues fan  :)  Maybe one fine day I'll try some others that previously were beyond me.
Title: Re: David P's Road Case
Post by: Barend on November 17, 2017, 06:56:30 pm
Tx for sharing David.... it all sounds very familiar. The urge to create music is what keeps us going... now for getting the skillset to execute.😉 Keep well. B
Title: Re: David P's Road Case
Post by: DavidP on November 17, 2017, 07:38:15 pm
Hey Barend, how you doing,  been a while since you posted comments and shared a song ....
Title: Re: David P's Road Case
Post by: Barend on November 19, 2017, 03:08:25 pm
Hey Barend, how you doing,  been a while since you posted comments and shared a song ....
Hi David..Nice to touch base. 

Setting up the business...  including studying for what is called the Fsb's RE 1 exam over the last few weeks took its toll. Quite daunting to memorise 220 pages of financial law at ahe 50...

Also, i went for 2 random lessons with a guitar teacher who strongly suggested that i learn all the notes on the fretboard by playing scales fwd and backward from every route position you can find. This is a tough process and not something you can do mindlessly while watching series (which is how i do a lot of my practise..lol).

 So all of a sudden the motivation mojo dropped to zero.... 😕.

But i found my way back here checking out stuff, so will get going again soon. I have got the b7 down at around 80pct. So sitting on the dock of the bay should be on here soon.

Great to see you are still going strong!!!
Title: Re: David P's Road Case
Post by: DavidP on November 19, 2017, 04:32:19 pm
Barend,

Hope the exams go well and the business is picking up.

As for the teacher's recommendation ... as a quite a beginner far be it for me to question a teacher ... but having said that ...

I think knowing all the notes on the fretboard is certainly something to work towards but I'd say slowly  :)  Otherwise I can imagine how easily the fun in playing and learning  may drain away.  Justin's Beginner Course goal is to know the notes on the thickest two strings and up to 4th or 5th fret for the rest. At stage 7 of BC start on minor pentatonic at 5th fret and just in that position.  I think the major scale is introduced in the Intermediate Course and no idea how many positions.  Then after IM there is an advanced course titled Mastering the Major Scale.

So I am a firm advocate in follow the BC slowly and steadily  :)

Glad to hear B7 is coming into line and look forward to hearing DotB soon ..

Be well ...
Title: Re: David P's Road Case
Post by: Barend on November 19, 2017, 06:12:37 pm
The fun draining away. That's exactly it!

I do tend to want to jump ahead... patience .. slow and steady ☺ with max fun along the road... way better.

Tx for the well wishes re exam / business. I landed my first big client recently, so the wheels are turning. 🤓

What you working on currently?
Title: Re: David P's Road Case
Post by: DavidP on November 21, 2017, 10:18:21 am
Barend,

Congrats on the client ... may they be the first of many, many more.

As for the "what you working on" ... will assume context is music, rather than profession ...

Minor pentatonic.  I've started adding in a DU per note pattern along with the usual D D D or D U D picking.  Also started with one of those sequence patterns ... 123 234 345 (being the number of the note, not the intervals in the scale)

Also working on a PDUDU pattern for Working Class Hero where P is for Pick the bass note.  Trying the alternating base notes with the hammer-on on the 4th string

Lastly, a blues tune that exercises triplet strumming plus some added notes to turn basic E-shape chords into sus chords.

Oh and 6/8 strumming on Hallelujah chord progression ... wish I could sing and strum in 6/8 but that is proving to be beyond me at the moment.  So will probably produce a version in the right time and overdub the vocal.

That's it for the moment ...
Title: Re: David P's Road Case
Post by: Barend on November 23, 2017, 05:12:45 pm
Wow David. That's a mouthfull!

Context is music for sure.

Is this still as per Justin's lessons? Sounds like you moved on from getting chords under the belt.

I did halleluja with my previous guitar teacher. I was very fortunate with the rythm and singing... managed to play it kind of instinctively after a few tries in the lesson... wish i could say the same for the rest of the skills i am working on 😂.

Look forward to hear the sounds you create with all the above.

Have fun and hope the breakthroughs come sooner rather than later. 😉

Title: Re: David P's Road Case
Post by: DavidP on November 23, 2017, 09:34:21 pm
Well it sounds a lot more complicated than it is, Barend  :)

The trip-let strumming is stage 5. Then the rest is from stage 7 plus sneaking in a little more on the minor pentatonic from stage 8 & 9 lessons.  So still all Beginner Course stuff.

What is your current focus?
Title: Re: David P's Road Case
Post by: Barend on November 24, 2017, 11:13:01 am
Well it sounds a lot more complicated than it is, Barend  :)

The trip-let strumming is stage 5. Then the rest is from stage 7 plus sneaking in a little more on the minor pentatonic from stage 8 & 9 lessons.  So still all Beginner Course stuff.

What is your current focus?
My current focus is to be more focused..lol

I have a few things going, (learning scales all over neck, Dotb, sound of silence, stand by me, hotel california). 

I decided last night to focus on getting the B7, G7 and C7 finalised. My one minute changes on these are around 60 pm but the quality not good yet.

I also want to record and  post some of the songs i have worked on.

Going to focus less on the scales and notes on the neck

I am constantly drawn between practising new stuff and working to perfect the older.

I have worked out about 4 new songs, very tempted to start them, but only once the 7th chords are in the bag.

Also reading a bit of music theory in between...


Title: Re: David P's Road Case
Post by: DavidP on November 24, 2017, 02:22:07 pm
 :)

Plan sounds good, Barend.  I've noticed that B7 seems to crop up quite a bit so a lot of mileage in getting it down.

Look forward to hearing some more songs.
Title: Re: David P's Road Case
Post by: DavidP on December 18, 2017, 09:40:35 am
Celebrating my first guitaversary Thanks Richard for the term  :)

The avid reader will recall that I started BC Stage 1, Lesson 1 on Dec 16th, 2016 after decades of picking up, putting down and generally making next to no progress at learning to play.

A year has passed, in which I have practised and played in every week ... some weeks more than others ... no worries about that. 

I started being unable to play in time with Justin as strummed through the chords of Three Little Birds ... I mean the slowed up version when he is teaching the son, not the showcase version at the start of the lesson.

I finished the year posting recordings of Auld Lang Syne and Before You Accuse Me ... both were significant to me.

I didn't plan on submitting an entry into the Dec monthly competition.  Then Mary encouraged me to try Auld Lang Syne ... so typical of my experience of this Community: encouraging and helpful.  As I began to learn to strum and sing it, I thought I picked up on a couple of notes of the melody.  That lead me to try and transcribe it ... another first.  I got most of it and Mary filled in the gaps.  I got a little more creative in the "arrangement" of this, including a play through the melody as an intro after starting the Big Ben chiming midnight ... this being the traditional song to see in the New Year.

I'd been working on Before You Accuse Me for a while.  Now I don't post anything that is flawless ... I can hear errors in everything I post, not to mention knowing that I have a long way to go to be really tight and solid on my rhythm playing.  But the postings reflect progress, give me a goal to work towards and generate a sense of accomplishment.

But I was struggling with this song to get the quality of performance up to my usual (imperfect) standard.  Then decided just to record it anyway ... it is what it is.  AVOYP is not about perfection, its about progress and learning.  And if I am to be true to that message then a recording of this song was long overdue.  So despite some flaws that were more more serious that usual, I posted it.

Trust the Community ... they'll hear it for what it is and be appropriate with the feedback ... and I got some of my most encouraging feedback ... despite the errors, the sloppy timing and some phrasing problems.

So I encourage you all ... be brave to be vulnerable enough to post recordings of your playing once you get to the point of playing songs ... which ideally is right there in the BC Stage 1 as soon as you can play those ADE chords.  It's been a big part of my achievements of this year.

Here they are if you missed them and would fancy a listen:

https://soundcloud.com/david-preece-24770685/auld-lang-syne-20171202 (https://soundcloud.com/david-preece-24770685/auld-lang-syne-20171202)
https://soundcloud.com/david-preece-24770685/before-you-accuse-me-20171204 (https://soundcloud.com/david-preece-24770685/before-you-accuse-me-20171204)

Now what ...

Well, I am busy in stage 7, concentrating on adding in the picking of a bass note into my strumming and the minor pentatonic scale.  I'm on holiday again with more time and energy to devote to guitar. So working up a couple of recording projects. 

Then I decided that this is my learning journey and should not be too rigid in how I work through the BC.  While I have more time I decided that it was the ideal time to start in on finger-picking.  So I've checked out the lessons and started last night.

Meanwhile, those more familiar with the BC may be wondering ... "what about the power chords?"  One of the things I got from my pre JG years was the ability to play full barre chords in E and A shapes from 1st fret up the neck.  So this power chord thing of fretting the 6th string and muting 123 is proving awkward.  I play only acoustic and decided for now, I'm not moved to master this.  So I shall defer focus on power chords till later ... maybe when I have an electric and want to start rocking a little harder ... who knows ... but that's OK ... not skipped, just delayed for a while.

Year one was an amazing journey.  I went beyond what I imagined might be possible when I started.  What is possible in year 2 ... time will tell.  But I know for sure...it will be fun and this time next year when I celebrate my second guitaversary the player I will be then will be completely unrecognisable to the player I am now, who is unrecognisable to the player I was on Dec 16th, 2016.

Wishing you all the best, in life and in music ... let's rock on !!


Title: Re: David P's Road Case
Post by: embishop on December 19, 2017, 03:10:39 am
It's nice to be reading your roadcase update and think 'yup, I heard him play that', and 'yup, you can sure hear improvements', and just to share the journey a bit. It's certainly an amazing community.

Wishing you all the best, in life and in music ... let's rock on !!

And you too, David 😃

Mary
Title: Re: David P's Road Case
Post by: Barend on December 19, 2017, 10:57:22 am
Celebrating my first guitaversary Thanks Richard for the term  :)

The avid reader will recall that I started BC Stage 1, Lesson 1 on Dec 16th, 2016 after decades of picking up, putting down and generally making next to no progress at learning to play.

A year has passed, in which I have practised and played in every week ... some weeks more than others ... no worries about that. 

I started being unable to play in time with Justin as strummed through the chords of Three Little Birds ... I mean the slowed up version when he is teaching the son, not the showcase version at the start of the lesson.

I finished the year posting recordings of Auld Lang Syne and Before You Accuse Me ... both were significant to me.

I didn't plan on submitting an entry into the Dec monthly competition.  Then Mary encouraged me to try Auld Lang Syne ... so typical of my experience of this Community: encouraging and helpful.  As I began to learn to strum and sing it, I thought I picked up on a couple of notes of the melody.  That lead me to try and transcribe it ... another first.  I got most of it and Mary filled in the gaps.  I got a little more creative in the "arrangement" of this, including a play through the melody as an intro after starting the Big Ben chiming midnight ... this being the traditional song to see in the New Year.

I'd been working on Before You Accuse Me for a while.  Now I don't post anything that is flawless ... I can hear errors in everything I post, not to mention knowing that I have a long way to go to be really tight and solid on my rhythm playing.  But the postings reflect progress, give me a goal to work towards and generate a sense of accomplishment.

But I was struggling with this song to get the quality of performance up to my usual (imperfect) standard.  Then decided just to record it anyway ... it is what it is.  AVOYP is not about perfection, its about progress and learning.  And if I am to be true to that message then a recording of this song was long overdue.  So despite some flaws that were more more serious that usual, I posted it.

Trust the Community ... they'll hear it for what it is and be appropriate with the feedback ... and I got some of my most encouraging feedback ... despite the errors, the sloppy timing and some phrasing problems.

So I encourage you all ... be brave to be vulnerable enough to post recordings of your playing once you get to the point of playing songs ... which ideally is right there in the BC Stage 1 as soon as you can play those ADE chords.  It's been a big part of my achievements of this year.

Here they are if you missed them and would fancy a listen:

https://soundcloud.com/david-preece-24770685/auld-lang-syne-20171202 (https://soundcloud.com/david-preece-24770685/auld-lang-syne-20171202)
https://soundcloud.com/david-preece-24770685/before-you-accuse-me-20171204 (https://soundcloud.com/david-preece-24770685/before-you-accuse-me-20171204)

Now what ...

Well, I am busy in stage 7, concentrating on adding in the picking of a bass note into my strumming and the minor pentatonic scale.  I'm on holiday again with more time and energy to devote to guitar. So working up a couple of recording projects. 

Then I decided that this is my learning journey and should not be too rigid in how I work through the BC.  While I have more time I decided that it was the ideal time to start in on finger-picking.  So I've checked out the lessons and started last night.

Meanwhile, those more familiar with the BC may be wondering ... "what about the power chords?"  One of the things I got from my pre JG years was the ability to play full barre chords in E and A shapes from 1st fret up the neck.  So this power chord thing of fretting the 6th string and muting 123 is proving awkward.  I play only acoustic and decided for now, I'm not moved to master this.  So I shall defer focus on power chords till later ... maybe when I have an electric and want to start rocking a little harder ... who knows ... but that's OK ... not skipped, just delayed for a while.

Year one was an amazing journey.  I went beyond what I imagined might be possible when I started.  What is possible in year 2 ... time will tell.  But I know for sure...it will be fun and this time next year when I celebrate my second guitaversary the player I will be then will be completely unrecognisable to the player I am now, who is unrecognisable to the player I was on Dec 16th, 2016.

Wishing you all the best, in life and in music ... let's rock on !!
I enjoyed reading this update David.

I can associate with much of what you are experiencing... also picking my way through the BC to compliment prior knowledge.

My family is camping at the sea until first week of jan. There was not enough space for the guitar, so I will be itching to play when i get back.

I heard someone playing guitar and harmonica last night... a few campsites from ours... the atmosphere he created was so festive.. very inspirational.

Enjoy your extra time with the guitar.
Barend
Title: Re: David P's Road Case
Post by: DavidP on December 19, 2017, 11:24:17 am
Thanks Mary ... really do appreciate your continual support and encouragement.

Thanks Barend ... camping by the sea sounds stellar ... you just need a big trailer to ensure space for the guitar  ;)
Title: Re: David P's Road Case
Post by: Barend on December 19, 2017, 08:21:01 pm
Thanks Mary ... really do appreciate your continual support and encouragement.

Thanks Barend ... camping by the sea sounds stellar ... you just need a big trailer to ensure space for the guitar  ;)
Caravan fully loaded...
Title: Re: David P's Road Case
Post by: Barend on December 20, 2017, 06:06:36 pm
Caravan fully loaded...
I enjoyed the rythm and energy of  'before you accuse me'... sounds like great fun, have to add it to the to do list. Well done
Title: Re: David P's Road Case
Post by: DavidP on December 20, 2017, 07:43:16 pm
I enjoyed the rythm and energy of  'before you accuse me'... sounds like great fun, have to add it to the to do list. Well done
Thanks Barend. Still having lots of fun with it myself, aways to go to be able to play sections of it cleanly.
Title: Re: David P's Road Case
Post by: DavidP on July 28, 2018, 01:57:25 pm
My Road Case has not been updated for quite some time ... the system tells me more than 120 days  :)  I had planned to update it last weekend and just didn't get to it.  So brace yourself, here's a summary of the last 6 months.

At the start of year 2, I decided to focus on three elements from the orange grade of the BC: adding a bass note into my rhythm play, the minor pentatonic scale and finger-picking.

In a nutshell, I've made good progress on all, reflected in a number of recordings made.

I was quite anxious about starting on finger-picking.  In my pre-Justin moments of trying to learn I'd tried once or twice and it felt so foreign that I just went back to bad strumming.  To my surprise the very first night I tried I made more progress.  It seems as if all the other learning has formed new neural pathways that already helped me to get started with finger-picking.  Encouraged by that I stuck at it and now have posted three songs with finger-picking, two of which include singing while finger-picking.

One of the first songs I used to try to play previously was As Tears Go By.  I made a multi-track recording of this song for the Contest.  Three guitar parts being played differently over a drum beat.  To my delight, my timing was good enough that it sounded OK, unlike attempts last year where I was so far out that it was just a mess.  One part was finger-picked.   I also decided to try my hand at a simple solo.  Used the approach in which you follow the chords tones through the progression and I think it came out OK ... my wife was astonished when she heard it the first time ... completely unexpected.

Made a start on recording with bass notes added and would like to do better, but a good start made.

And most recently tried a recording approach to most closely simulate playing live and recorded two songs, knowing up front that however they came out on that first take is how they'd be posted.

Here the links to all the songs posted:

https://soundcloud.com/david-preece-24770685/after-the-goldrush-20180101 (https://soundcloud.com/david-preece-24770685/after-the-goldrush-20180101)
https://soundcloud.com/david-preece-24770685/a-girl-like-you-20180107 (https://soundcloud.com/david-preece-24770685/a-girl-like-you-20180107)
https://soundcloud.com/david-preece-24770685/hallelujah-20180210 (https://soundcloud.com/david-preece-24770685/hallelujah-20180210)
https://soundcloud.com/david-preece-24770685/love-is-all-around-20180317 (https://soundcloud.com/david-preece-24770685/love-is-all-around-20180317) (bass note and strum)
https://soundcloud.com/david-preece-24770685/as-tears-go-by-20180428 (https://soundcloud.com/david-preece-24770685/as-tears-go-by-20180428) (finger picking and first solo)
https://soundcloud.com/david-preece-24770685/from-hank-to-hendrix-20180427 (https://soundcloud.com/david-preece-24770685/from-hank-to-hendrix-20180427) (bass note)
https://soundcloud.com/david-preece-24770685/love-is-all-around-20180609 (https://soundcloud.com/david-preece-24770685/love-is-all-around-20180609) (finger picking)
https://soundcloud.com/david-preece-24770685/jane-s-piddy-20180721 (https://soundcloud.com/david-preece-24770685/jane-s-piddy-20180721) (one take)
https://soundcloud.com/david-preece-24770685/hate-street-dialogue-20180721 (https://soundcloud.com/david-preece-24770685/hate-street-dialogue-20180721) (one take)
https://soundcloud.com/david-preece-24770685/this-years-love-280727 (https://soundcloud.com/david-preece-24770685/this-years-love-280727) (finger picking)

During this period I suffered a couple of bouts of GAS ...

While in the USA for work, I found the opportunity to buy and electric irresistible.  Prices are far more reasonable as a rule but throw in a President's Day sale ... who can blame me.  I came home with an Epiphone LP Pro in a quilted finish.  Shortly after that I was able to sell my 12 string acoustic which funded purchase of an amplifier.

(https://i.imgur.com/PRnLvzL.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/J87YMks.jpg)

Just before my birthday I was looking a FaceBook page of a shop that sells used ... yup, risky business doing such a thing without anti-GAS medication.  I spotted a resonator and it was already in my mind that I would need such a guitar one day ... well why wait until later when you can GAS today.  Came home from the recce with a Hohner resonator.  My luthier (ok, the luthier that I use), gave it a good service and declared it to be in fine condition.

(https://i.imgur.com/fdp7MuL.jpg)

While enjoying my time out in this treasure trove of musical goodies, I spotted vintage mics and more current models.  Cut a long story short, picked up a Shure dynamic mic in the hopes that I'd be able to record vocals more effectively. 

That worked out well.  The last few songs were recorded using a condensor mic to record the guitar and the dynamic to record the vocal.  Now I have a little bleed of guitar on the vocal track and vice versa but able to mix the way I want when recording "live". 

My mixing has also kicked on and acquired some commercial plug-ins that have made it much easier to mix in vocals and to record the electric guitar directly and add amp, cabinet and pedal effects in afterwards.

And I think that is pretty much it.  Continue to enjoy the journey.  I feel like I have made huge progress over the last 6 months or so.

If you stuck it out to this point ... I hope that reading about my progress is encouraging to you.  Yes, I still play a number of days a week, but am not practising 2 hours a day, 7 days a week ... which shows how much progress can be made with a very reasonable amount of practice.

So go to it and you too can live your musical dreams...no worries, keep fretting :)

Title: Re: David P's Road Case
Post by: CT on July 28, 2018, 04:02:18 pm
Great read, DP, and that is a stunning blue guitar!

I'm of a like mind when it comes to recording. Playing your tracks live the way you want them to sound in the end saves a lot of production time, and allows you to recreate the song later for live play. There's also a lot of value in learning to dial in the delay, reverb or whatever tone you like for live music. Sims and production elements are fun to play around with though.
Title: Re: David P's Road Case
Post by: embishop on July 28, 2018, 05:02:51 pm
You've accomplished quite a lot in the year and a half you've been on JustinGuitar, it's so great to hear your progress. I also like the can I say bare bones structure you set for your practice and learning? First the Beginners Course, then a focus on 3 targeted elements. I tend to go more from total structure to no structure at all, still wandering around without a clear plan to get where I'm going. You inspire me with your attitude on continual improvements without needing to have every last detail penned in, or even to necessarily have a final destination in mind. I'm going to be looking for a bit more of that flexibility in my practicing. Glad you're continuing to enjoy the journey.

Mari
Title: Re: David P's Road Case
Post by: DavidP on July 28, 2018, 05:03:48 pm
Great read, DP, and that is a stunning blue guitar!

I'm of a like mind when it comes to recording. Playing your tracks live the way you want them to sound in the end saves a lot of production time, and allows you to recreate the song later for live play. There's also a lot of value in learning to dial in the delay, reverb or whatever tone you like for live music. Sims and production elements are fun to play around with though.
Thanks CT

At this stage I record dry through the AI and all the processing to enhance the overall sound afterwards.  I guess if I were to ever perform live seriously then would be nice to have one of those amps with a channel for guitar and mic, with some effects builtin on each with ability to store some preset combinations plus maybe some pedals in front of the amp.  But at this stage, good enough to use my plugs-ins in the DAW, for both vocal and guitar.
Title: Re: David P's Road Case
Post by: DavidP on July 28, 2018, 05:06:13 pm
You've accomplished quite a lot in the year and a half you've been on JustinGuitar, it's so great to hear your progress. I also like the can I say bare bones structure you set for your practice and learning? First the Beginners Course, then a focus on 3 targeted elements. I tend to go more from total structure to no structure at all, still wandering around without a clear plan to get where I'm going. You inspire me with your attitude on continual improvements without needing to have every last detail penned in, or even to necessarily have a final destination in mind. I'm going to be looking for a bit more of that flexibility in my practicing. Glad you're continuing to enjoy the journey.

Mari

Thanks for giving this a read Mari and for your ongoing encouragement and support.  Your support and many others here are instrumental (excuse the almost good pun, since you are all quite vocal) in my progress, motivation and achievements.
Title: Re: David P's Road Case
Post by: DarrellW on July 28, 2018, 06:02:23 pm
The thing I really admire about what you’ve done David is being patient and improving consistently, there’s a lot to be said for what you’ve done and the way you’re doing it.
All in all a fine example to others of what following the course (more or less) to the letter can do for any aspiring guitarist, well done!!!
Title: Re: David P's Road Case
Post by: DavidP on July 28, 2018, 08:39:59 pm
The thing I really admire about what you’ve done David is being patient and improving consistently, there’s a lot to be said for what you’ve done and the way you’re doing it.
All in all a fine example to others of what following the course (more or less) to the letter can do for any aspiring guitarist, well done!!!
Thanks very much, Darrell, a generous compliment.

No doubt, following the programme, level by level using the new colour grading, playing songs and making recordings has worked for me. I think being active in the Community has also contributed.
Title: Re: David P's Road Case
Post by: Matek on July 30, 2018, 08:06:17 am
When do we get to hear the resonator David?
Are you thinking of learning slide in the future?

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Title: Re: David P's Road Case
Post by: DavidP on July 30, 2018, 09:29:28 am
When do we get to hear the resonator David?
Are you thinking of learning slide in the future?
Good question, Matek ... can't say. 

I bought it with a view to playing slide and more finger-style blues.  And I am not ready to start on either of those ventures yet. 

I guess I could just play something, like say my take on Before You Accuse Me that I posted before, so folk could hear it.  But that wouldn't really be doing it justice ... kind of like taking a 4x4 off-road vehicle for a test drive through the suburbs ... though in our suburbs pot-holes can be a challenge :)

Recording time at Back Room Studio #5 is precious, but maybe a LoFi recording made with the tablet ... though again, doesn't really do justice ...

Goodness, that's a whole lot of text, to give not much of an answer :)
Title: Re: David P's Road Case
Post by: DarrellW on July 30, 2018, 10:49:27 am
Here’s a really nice easy one for that guitar to have a go at, especially bearing in mind how your finger style is coming on!


Title: Re: David P's Road Case
Post by: DavidP on July 30, 2018, 11:46:56 am
Here’s a really nice easy one for that guitar to have a go at, especially bearing in mind how your finger style is coming on!
Ah Darrell, yea of great faith :)

Thanks for that ... could resist a quick look.  I agree ... can imagine it sounding good on the resonator.

As it happens part of my late night practice routine includes playing the minor pentatonic scale alternating picking notes on strings 3-1 with my index and middle fingers plus doing some steady bass work on E and Am using one finger per string on strings 3-1, anchoring with the pinky. 

I'll add in a little of this to keep it interesting.  No promises as to how long it will take me to play through just one cycle of the 12 bars ... but an exciting next goal.
Title: Re: David P's Road Case
Post by: Barend on October 03, 2018, 07:42:05 am
Go Boytjie!!!

Nie sleg vir n "soutie" nie.
... with reference to your general attitude, practice elements, progress, etc..

I now have serious GAS / guitar FOMO. Maybe i can sneak in an extra practise session today.. to divert the urge to take my wallet for a stroll.
Cheers
B





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Title: Re: David P's Road Case
Post by: DavidP on October 03, 2018, 12:04:23 pm
Go Boytjie!!!

Nie sleg vir n "soutie" nie.
... with reference to your general attitude, practice elements, progress, etc..

I now have serious GAS / guitar FOMO. Maybe i can sneak in an extra practise session today.. to divert the urge to take my wallet for a stroll.
Cheers
B

LOL

Thanks Barend

No doubt, GAS is a challenge... somebody posted once that the right number of guitars to have is one more than you currently have  ;D
Title: Re: David P's Road Case
Post by: Barend on October 04, 2018, 04:27:49 am
Hey there,

Decided to post this here as I do consider it a success story ... another moment I never imagined when I started the BC on 16 Dec 2016.  As it is not a full performance I decided not appropriate for AVOYP.

Oh and seeing as I nagged Rick about singing, which he has more than delivered and he asked about a video of me, I felt obliged to post it once I had it.  I think it was you, Rick, if not apologies  :)

I don't feel ready to perform for an audience but when I knew I'd have time on my hands I thought I could play for myself and if anybody paid attention, then so be it.  A colleague enjoyed a few of the songs and recorded a couple of clips on his phone.

I'm still getting over some of the facial contortions  :o  me and that 

So careful what you ask for Rick, here it is ....




Hi David. Only stumbled on this now. I enjoyed it and agree with others that your in-person performance adds a further positive dimension to your playing and singing.

So... beware of the Groupies.



which A very smooth performance.

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Title: Re: David P's Road Case
Post by: DavidP on October 04, 2018, 05:44:40 am
Hi David. Only stumbled on this now. I enjoyed it and agree with others that your in-person performance adds a further positive dimension to your playing and singing.

So... beware of the Groupies.



which A very smooth performance.

LOL ... you on a roll with laugh-inducing posts :)

Thanks Barend.
Title: Re: David P's Road Case
Post by: DavidP on October 28, 2018, 09:00:34 am
Time for another update.  It's been another 3 months that include some major milestones.

I have continued with the same practice routines focused mostly on finger-picking and scales.  Since the last update I recorded a version of House of the Rising Sun, singing and finger-picking https://soundcloud.com/david-preece-24770685/house-of-the-rising-sun-20181020 (https://soundcloud.com/david-preece-24770685/house-of-the-rising-sun-20181020)

Continuing in the vein of recording songs that could be played through in a single take, even if not recorded with a first single take, I recorded Dylan's The Times They Are A Changing https://soundcloud.com/david-preece-24770685/times-are-a-changing-20181021 (https://soundcloud.com/david-preece-24770685/times-are-a-changing-20181021)

But the big steps forward here are the producing of my first two originals.  The first Song For Lesley was entered into the Community Contest and I was fortunate to win the Contest ... a dream come true https://soundcloud.com/david-preece-24770685/song-for-lesley-180829 (https://soundcloud.com/david-preece-24770685/song-for-lesley-180829)

The second Dear Johnny Blues was a simple 10 bar minor bluesy tune that featured rhythm double-tracked, one played with my acoustic and the other with the resonator, which made it interesting.  I also included a guitar lead https://soundcloud.com/david-preece-24770685/dear-johnny-blues-20180923 (https://soundcloud.com/david-preece-24770685/dear-johnny-blues-20180923)

Speaking of lead, when I was away in the South Sudan on business, I spend spare time on music theory and have mad a start on Grade 3.  I am now at the point there and in the Beginner Course, where the focus shifts from learning the scale patterns to trying to make some music.  Or as Justin would say, using the scale alphabet to make up words and string those words together to say something musical.

So when Omar posted a first backing track to kick off a weekly jam, I decided the time was right.  Since the first post I have now recorded a jam every weekend for 5 consecutive weeks.  Posting the jam involves getting the track into the DAW, studying the relevant scales, some exploration to develop some feel for the time, rhythm and harmony to be able to produce something melodic that sounds good.  When I returned from South Sudan I downloaded Justin's backing track in G.  But trying to use the letters from G maj to say something was beyond me ... the track just seemed so "busy", couldn't make sense of it.  A month later and my latest jam was over that track.

https://soundcloud.com/david-preece-24770685/weekly-jam-1-20190929 (https://soundcloud.com/david-preece-24770685/weekly-jam-1-20190929)
https://soundcloud.com/david-preece-24770685/weekly-jam-2-20181007 (https://soundcloud.com/david-preece-24770685/weekly-jam-2-20181007)
https://soundcloud.com/david-preece-24770685/weekly-jam-3 (https://soundcloud.com/david-preece-24770685/weekly-jam-3)
https://soundcloud.com/david-preece-24770685/weekly-jam-4 (https://soundcloud.com/david-preece-24770685/weekly-jam-4)
https://soundcloud.com/david-preece-24770685/weekly-jam-5-20181027 (https://soundcloud.com/david-preece-24770685/weekly-jam-5-20181027)

This shows that with a combination of theory study, practical application and doing it regularly ... which for me was weekly, not even daily ... progress can be made.

And apart from all that, I have to say that playing lead over the backing track, expressing myself in what I play and the tones I choose, is great fun and somehow makes me feel more of a musician than playing covers does.  Not that playing covers isn't fun, it is and I will continue.  But this addition plus writing a couple of songs, has been another giant leap forward.

And lastly, I shared in detail about my experience with Justin, so won't repeat that, it's here https://justinguitarcommunity.com/index.php?topic=42493.msg392477#msg392477 (https://justinguitarcommunity.com/index.php?topic=42493.msg392477#msg392477) 

Can only say what an amazing experience it was and gave me a the confidence to take a step forward into starting with the IM.  According to Justin my E and A barre chords are already looking good, as a Beginner moving into Intermediate.  So I've started work in a deliberate, disciplined way on 1/16 note strumming.

We also discussed this matter of "talent" and long story short, agreed that for greatest majority it is about study and practice.  I don't consider myself talented, if I were then surely back in 1984 when I was shown the basic open chords and some songs I would have mastered playing them and sounding good.  But I didn't.  But in the last 22 months, through study, practice, playing songs and recording I have been able to play a range of songs OK, write a couple and play some lead. 

If I can, you can ... so dig in, have fun and make music

 :) 
Title: Re: David P's Road Case
Post by: DarrellW on October 28, 2018, 09:31:37 am
David, what you’ve done is an inspiration to anyone who comes new to the forum in fact anyone!
In my opinion it deserves the recognition of being made a ‘sticky’ or pointed out clearly to newbies so that they don’t miss it!
So very well done, kudos to you and good vibes!
Title: Re: David P's Road Case
Post by: DavidP on October 28, 2018, 10:44:59 am
David, what you’ve done is an inspiration to anyone who comes new to the forum in fact anyone!
In my opinion it deserves the recognition of being made a ‘sticky’ or pointed out clearly to newbies so that they don’t miss it!
So very well done, kudos to you and good vibes!

You're too kind, Darrell.  I really do feel that I am just one of many here, just maybe more talkative than most  ;D 
Title: Re: David P's Road Case
Post by: close2u on October 28, 2018, 10:57:14 am
A fantastic and comprehensive update David.
And yes, inspirational.:)
Title: Re: David P's Road Case
Post by: DavidP on October 28, 2018, 02:10:34 pm
A fantastic and comprehensive update David.
And yes, inspirational.:)

Thanks Richard ... it is hugely gratifying to think that maybe I can offer just a little inspiration to others, sharing the inspiration I have received from so many here.
Title: Re: David P's Road Case
Post by: CT on October 28, 2018, 03:02:09 pm
You're the real deal, @DavidP! First and foremost you are an inspiration as a person. You keep taking your music to the next level. It's been a lot of fun hanging out with you here. 8)
Title: Re: David P's Road Case
Post by: DavidP on October 28, 2018, 04:52:32 pm
You're the real deal, @DavidP! First and foremost you are an inspiration as a person. You keep taking your music to the next level. It's been a lot of fun hanging out with you here. 8)

The feeling is totally mutual, Clint.  I'd say we are all here, sharing and learning together!
Title: Re: David P's Road Case
Post by: Rufusragatip on October 29, 2018, 01:37:48 pm
Hi,

To be half as good as that after 22 months would be a dream come true and the icing on a big bun.
BUN I said!

Way to go, David. Awesome.

Kind regards,
Rufus
Title: Re: David P's Road Case
Post by: DavidP on October 29, 2018, 02:38:58 pm
Hi,

To be half as good as that after 22 months would be a dream come true and the icing on a big bun.
BUN I said!

Way to go, David. Awesome.

Kind regards,
Rufus

Thanks Rufus, appreciate that.  Pretty sure you can do much better than "half as good" so make mine a chelsea (bun)
Title: Re: David P's Road Case
Post by: batwoman on October 30, 2018, 12:17:02 am
If I can, you can ... so dig in, have fun and make music

You more than have David. You're an asset to this forum.
Title: Re: David P's Road Case
Post by: DavidP on October 30, 2018, 03:25:27 pm
You more than have David. You're an asset to this forum.

Thanks ever so, Maggie ....
Title: Re: David P's Road Case
Post by: Barend on November 01, 2018, 03:48:53 am
Hi David.

Great to witness your focused and systematic approach to assimilate and then apply Justin's material.

I can see that music will be a major source of enjoyment and form of expression for you. Keep it up!

I have comittted to learn the major scales and fretboard by heart. I am doing a daily (low effort) 10min memorising session, with the idea to stick at it until it is part of me. . I have not read Justin's grade 3 theory yet. Will go and have a look.

Cheers.
B



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Title: Re: David P's Road Case
Post by: DavidP on November 01, 2018, 05:02:03 am
Thanks Barend.

Good for you on concentrating on learning the fretboard ... my learning of that is much less structured, more a byproduct of using scales :)

I was driving in the other day and realised that one thing was overlooked in the RC update.

I was refreshing my memory using SoundCloud uploads, so never mentioned our collaboration which was posted in YT ... a significant oversight, that needs rectifying ...

The collaboration with Barend was another leap forward.  I discovered how much is involved when stepping up from a solo multi-track project to a collaboration.  As always, I learned a lot, had great fun and was well pleased with the final result.  It was released as a video in order to offer translation of the lyrics as well as fine opportunity to share some of the beauty of Barend's home city, Cape Town.  If you missed it, here's the link ...


Title: Re: David P's Road Case
Post by: Rolandson on November 01, 2018, 05:21:05 am
I'm looking forward to listen to your rolling stones covers David P

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Title: Re: David P's Road Case
Post by: DavidP on November 01, 2018, 07:50:58 am
I'm looking forward to listen to your rolling stones covers David P

Thanks Rolandson.

I'm looking forward to being able to some more, other than As Tears Go By. I've been dabbling with Ruby Tuesday and Dead Flowers. Ultimately, something like Honky Tonk Woman or Brown Sugar in an open tuning. Or Wild Horses with 1/16 note strum pattern. But I reckon quite a few more Road Case updates before that happens. :)
Title: Re: David P's Road Case
Post by: close2u on November 01, 2018, 08:50:48 am
... something like Honky Tonk Woman ... in an open tuning.

Check out phx1973's cover with standard tuning / strummed chords for an idea to play it in an immediately accessible way.
G Major
A Major
D Major
E Major
... plus some embellishments
Title: Re: David P's Road Case
Post by: DavidP on November 01, 2018, 01:00:53 pm
Check out phx1973's cover with standard tuning / strummed chords for an idea to play it in an immediately accessible way.
G Major
A Major
D Major
E Major
... plus some embellishments

That's a good idea, Richard. I thoroughly enjoyed Tosh's rendition.

Same chords as Dead Flowers.

Struggle a bit to get a good rhythm and feel on these songs.  But given the musicians involved that's not surprising as I think they have something special going.
Title: Re: David P's Road Case
Post by: DavidP on December 08, 2018, 09:13:20 pm
Another big week to remember as I approach my 2nd JustinGuitarversary.

Firstly, I played 4 songs for a live audience.  I described that here so shan't repeat .... https://justinguitarcommunity.com/index.php?topic=32477.msg395182#msg395182 (https://justinguitarcommunity.com/index.php?topic=32477.msg395182#msg395182)

Today I visited my work friend, Alida, who recorded some backing vocals for Song For Lesley. She and her husband are experienced musicians, who used to do the two man band over backing tracks thing as semi-pros. She plays bass, he plays guitar and both can sing. They have a room kitted out with a mixer/PA system,  speakers and a full drum kit plus a bass amp.

I arrived and added my amp to the mix. All singing done through the PA to have any chance of being heard over 2 guitars and a bass  ;) Wonder what the neighbours thought, as it was pretty loud. Must say playing the electric loud was fun, though not easy. So kept the tone pretty clean. All were quite impressed with the sound produced by the Blackstar.

The afternoon was spent playing songs. Some from my repertoire and others that I know but hadn't played before. Trying to remember the progressions plus get changes and feel on the fly, song after song was a challenge.  I can concur with all who've said playing in a band will really accelerate your learning. I struggled a fair amount, but was never totally lost and at times it all sounded not too bad.

Couple of highlights ....

Hotel California. Not the typical 3 or 4 chord tune I usually play plus strumming that is more than my usual chugging away with Old Faithful or similar. And to be playing rhythm with the bass and hearing the solo over the top, just like off the record.  Well it felt proper.

Cortez the Killer. Duncan opted to play drums for this one. Singing and playing with live bass and drums, need I say more. Only thing better would've been to have Duncan cloned and playing a lengthy solo at the end.

Rocking in the Free World. I ended up just singing over those classic rock riffs. Getting the feel right at times on that was a kick.

All in all a fabulous afternoon hanging out and playing. Much talk about next time ....

What can I say ....

Rock on !!!!!

Title: Re: David P's Road Case
Post by: batwoman on December 08, 2018, 11:14:16 pm
Loud applause, cheering, high-fives ..... whaaa hooooo David.  :) 8)
Title: Re: David P's Road Case
Post by: tobyjenner on December 09, 2018, 08:11:56 am
David

Sounds like a really good session. No doubt much to learn and expand on but a great experience. Are you going to make this a regular jam session, as it will certainly accelerate your skills ?

Cheers

Toby
 8)
Title: Re: David P's Road Case
Post by: DavidP on December 09, 2018, 08:48:56 am
Loud applause, cheering, high-fives ..... whaaa hooooo David.  :) 8)

Thanks Maggie

David

Sounds like a really good session. No doubt much to learn and expand on but a great experience. Are you going to make this a regular jam session, as it will certainly accelerate your skills ?

Cheers

Toby
 8)

Hoping so, Toby. 

It sure did drive home the point how different it is to play electric, riff-based rock is to my usual strumming, fire-side acoustic playing is.  Pretty much playing a different instrument :) 
Title: Re: David P's Road Case
Post by: CT on December 09, 2018, 03:30:53 pm
DP, you're living the dream. Playing good music live with cool people is the best. The muscle memory kicks in and it's so cool to focus on "being in the moment." And if someone digs what you're doing, it's the ultimate. I always come away re-energized after playing live with other people at a get together.
Title: Re: David P's Road Case
Post by: DavidP on December 09, 2018, 03:36:51 pm
Your so right Clint ... though in my case those muscles still have much to learn :)  Participating in a rock jam, rather than acoustic sing-along was a fantastic new experience.  As for dreams, my musical life has now well surpassed the dreams I had 2 years back.
Title: Re: David P's Road Case
Post by: Joerfe on December 09, 2018, 05:42:17 pm
Really happy for you, David! It like you had a similar experience as I when I first joined a band. It was beyond great!

And I do agree on playing riffs on an electric is another ball game compared to strumming away.
Both has their own place in a band setting, but one must be aware that that are completely different animals.

I hope you will have the opportunity again, and again and again. It is highly addictive and does wonders to your playing. Both guitar wise and your general musician ship will benefit greatly.
Title: Re: David P's Road Case
Post by: DavidP on December 09, 2018, 05:49:04 pm
Really happy for you, David! It like you had a similar experience as I when I first joined a band. It was beyond great!

And I do agree on playing riffs on an electric is another ball game compared to strumming away.
Both has their own place in a band setting, but one must be aware that that are completely different animals.

I hope you will have the opportunity again, and again and again. It is highly addictive and does wonders to your playing. Both guitar wise and your general musician ship will benefit greatly.

Thanks Jesper.  Sounding promising that we'll do it again.
Title: Re: David P's Road Case
Post by: Rufusragatip on December 15, 2018, 08:18:59 pm
Hi,

Really pleased for you, David.
Celebrate with a braai and a few tins of Castle.
Sterkte en gelukkige Kersfees.  ;)

Kind regards,
Rufus
Title: Re: David P's Road Case
Post by: DavidP on December 15, 2018, 08:40:56 pm
Hi,

Really pleased for you, David.
Celebrate with a braai and a few tins of Castle.
Sterkte en gelukkige Kersfees.  ;)

Kind regards,
Rufus

LOL Thanks Rufus.  Sounds like you are tapped into SA life (other than mine would be a Windhoek Draught).  You too, be blessed.
Title: Re: David P's Road Case
Post by: DavidP on December 16, 2018, 04:56:12 pm
As you may have seen from my posting of Three Little Birds over in AVOYP, today is the day I commemorate and celebrate my two year justinguitarversary.

There have been so many highlights this year, most recently written up in updates to the RC. So I decided to do this update a little and reflect back on the who journey.  And as they say "a picture is worth a thousand words" so you'll be glad to get a a picture rather than (another) thousand words from me.

But when reading back over my RC this caught my eye, when reflecting on my thoughts before going to see a Rolling Stones concert film that inspired me to want to do more than just listen to music:

I'd heard Satisfaction on the radio back in the school days and Ruby Tuesday (a song for my "want to play that someday" list) and recall a magazine article all about Keith, Anita and drug addiction.  Didn't know much more that but opted to go along anyway ... a change from a night of beer and darts.

I guess my "someday" arrived when I posted a rendition of Ruby Tuesday a few days ago.

All I can say if you want to play is stick with Justin's programmes, be patient, be a good disciple (study and practice deliberately) and get into sharing recordings, which provides invaluable feedback and encouragement.

I'm not a special talent.  I love music and listened at times in my life a lot, so I suppose I have some sense of things from that.  But playing wise, I am not special, just another guy who wants to play and sing.  And two years later ... I have to say, with all humility, I can play and sing.  Not like a pro, not ready for paying gigs, but good enough to play and sing some songs in front of an audience.

Special thanks to Justin, I'm proud to be living his dream (to teach the world to play) and thanks to all my friends here, who've educated and encouraged me for nearly two years; I'm eternally grateful.

Enjoy the timeline

Keep on rocking and rolling !!

(https://i.imgur.com/R5eX2EE.jpg)
Title: Re: David P's Road Case
Post by: batwoman on December 18, 2018, 02:31:57 am
What a powerful, inspiring, well written post David and you've topped it off with a user-friendly one glance guide. Impressive.
Title: Re: David P's Road Case
Post by: DavidP on December 18, 2018, 06:23:06 am
What a powerful, inspiring, well written post David and you've topped it off with a user-friendly one glance guide. Impressive.

Thanks very much, Maggie.  Glad you picked up on the update, with the misbehaving Community server, probably not the best time to post it up but had the urge to do it on the day :)
Title: Re: David P's Road Case
Post by: close2u on December 18, 2018, 09:54:04 am
Brilliant update David … so clear, so inspiring. :)
Title: Re: David P's Road Case
Post by: embishop on December 19, 2018, 01:35:14 am
What a great update, David, and the picture timeline is a wonderful idea. Thanks for sharing your playing, your voice, and your encouragement. 😃

Mari
Title: Re: David P's Road Case
Post by: DavidP on December 19, 2018, 05:24:55 am
Brilliant update David … so clear, so inspiring. :)

Thanks Richard. If I can serve as a measure of inspiration and encouragement to others on the journey,  that would be ultimately rewarding as a member of this Community.

What a great update, David, and the picture timeline is a wonderful idea. Thanks for sharing your playing, your voice, and your encouragement. 😃

Mari

Thanks Mari.  It truly is amongst my greatest pleasures to share and encourage here. I'm oh so grateful for the opportunity and all I've received from this Community.  You are all so generous and supportive of me on my musical journey.
Title: Re: David P's Road Case
Post by: Balamuthiah on December 19, 2018, 03:16:13 pm
I finally caught up with your Road case David. I have a ton of respect for you. Very inspirational. And your last update was the cherry on top to your wonderful year of music. Hope you top that again in 2019 :)
Title: Re: David P's Road Case
Post by: Omar on December 19, 2018, 04:44:30 pm
Happy anniversary David. Keep it up :)
Title: Re: David P's Road Case
Post by: DavidP on December 19, 2018, 07:51:41 pm
I finally caught up with your Road case David. I have a ton of respect for you. Very inspirational. And your last update was the cherry on top to your wonderful year of music. Hope you top that again in 2019 :)

Thanks Bala. That's the idea, always onwards  :)

Happy anniversary David. Keep it up :)

Thanks Omar.
Title: Re: David P's Road Case
Post by: CT on December 21, 2018, 10:22:12 pm
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Title: Re: David P's Road Case
Post by: DavidP on December 22, 2018, 05:54:10 am
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LOL

From one David to another ...

Thx Clint
Title: Re: David P's Road Case
Post by: Barend on January 03, 2019, 05:03:44 pm
Hi David

Seems you have to watch out for GAS attacks during the months of Feb and July.

Tx for an interesting and inspiring roadcase update.


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Title: Re: David P's Road Case
Post by: DavidP on January 03, 2019, 09:33:36 pm
Hi David

Seems you have to watch out for GAS attacks during the months of Feb and July.

Tx for an interesting and inspiring roadcase update.

LoL ... it seems so. Will take some antiGAS boosters now, though nothing bubbling at the moment.

Thanks for stopping by Barend.
Title: Re: David P's Road Case
Post by: pkboo3 on April 29, 2019, 02:08:31 am
Hey David. I just finished going through your RC.  I enjoyed reading about your learning process, your new gear, your improvement on recording & mixing, the songs you’ve sang, played, & recorded; your collaborations, your Skype session with Justin, playing live... and the list goes on - just awesome. I’m so proud of you.


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Title: Re: David P's Road Case
Post by: DavidP on May 19, 2019, 09:13:04 am
Hey David. I just finished going through your RC.  I enjoyed reading about your learning process, your new gear, your improvement on recording & mixing, the songs you’ve sang, played, & recorded; your collaborations, your Skype session with Justin, playing live... and the list goes on - just awesome. I’m so proud of you.

Hey Pam,

Just came to check something in my RC and saw your comment.  For some reason I missed the "new" flag when you posted it.

You're so kind, really appreciate the feedback.  It has been a wonderful adventure ... every aspect ... great fun and so fulfilling.

We all have a different experience but are sharing a common dream, goal, whatever, to learn to play and make music.  Such a beautiful thing to be here in this Community sharing it.
Title: Re: David P's Road Case
Post by: Alex6strings on July 08, 2019, 08:47:01 pm
My goodness me.   I mean, I  knew you had made great progress but i assumed you'd been here a lot longer.  I was thinking you'd been here 5 or 7 years.  6 years even i would have believed, but how long is it 2 years or something utterly ridiculous.  How's Justin suppose to make a living with guys like you just making a mockery of his course by doing this?  Have you even given that 1 minute of consideration?  David?   I guess congratulations are in order. 

Dude, I mean David, well done my friend, and i mean that.  Totally narly what you've done here.  The best thing about your journey is your ability to inspire and motivate millions of people along the way.   Yes millions is quite a lot of people but you inspire 1 person, he passes that on,  that's another one.  Starting to add up pretty dam quickly don't you think?  what are we at , 2?  Millions doesn't seem so far away after all does it?

David I love having you post your 300 posts a day.   I've gotten to know you and you are a true gentlemen.  You are of the highest caliber and although i joke I am being completely honest and sincere when I say that there is something very special about you my friend.  I call you my friend because I consider you my friend, I'm now wondering whether that explanation was necessary at all.  Pretty self explanatory I guess, I might take that out. 

Music doesn't lie, and it doesn't pretend.  Whats inside you and who you are will always be in your music.  It's a big reason that we as musicians often feel exposed or as if people are staring into our souls when we perform.   I just made that up but it sounds ok so i'll leave it in.  David, what I'm trying to say in 500
words or less is that your music reflects who you are and your music is wonderful.  Peace out
Title: Re: David P's Road Case
Post by: close2u on July 08, 2019, 09:26:14 pm
Well said Alex.
Title: Re: David P's Road Case
Post by: DavidP on July 08, 2019, 10:48:22 pm
Alex, what can I say. I don't feel I'm special, just a member here like a good many others, living the dream. Part of a mutually supportive group, learning and encouraging together, trying to put as much into this Community as I get from it. That said, do appreciate you reading my RC, taking time to reply and if it inspires and encorages folk here, that's a real bonus.

Thank you, my friend.
Title: Re: David P's Road Case
Post by: Alex6strings on July 09, 2019, 12:27:53 am
You're welcome, and don't ever change.   

You're correct we do a mutually supportive group full of great people.   I just put the spotlight on because your road case is an outstanding read, and there's no hiding the
man you are.   
Title: Re: David P's Road Case
Post by: batwoman on July 09, 2019, 03:49:49 am
Yeah Alex well said!
Title: Re: David P's Road Case
Post by: CT on July 09, 2019, 05:17:01 am
Alex nailed it! Not many people as cool, thoughtful, friendly and supportive as @DavidP. A true inspiration as a human being and a musician. I can't say enough good things, to be honest. 
Title: Re: David P's Road Case
Post by: DavidP on July 09, 2019, 08:21:43 am
Goodness me ... not quite sure where to put myself now.  :-[

You are all incredibly generous and kind. 

I do my best to show up here in the Community, in my Toastmasters at work and at home in this way.  And hopefully am who I aim to be more often than not.

And have to say that the 4 of you who've commented now are all equally supportive and encouraging in my experience.

I guess all I can and should say is simply ...

Thank you
Title: Re: David P's Road Case
Post by: DavidP on September 01, 2019, 05:08:10 pm
Quick as a flash, 8 months whizz by and an update is quite over due.  Every time I thought about posting one update, something else was just around the corner ... guess there's a lesson in that  ;)

So it has been another period full of fun and learning and some big milestones.

On the learning/playing front, I started on the first couple of patterns of the Advanced Folk Fingerstyle module.  I always started focussing on the 1/16 note strumming but quickly became absorbed by the finger-picking.  Who would've thought that the element of the BC that I feared the most would become one of my favourite things.

The crux of course, is to be able to play songs using the technique.  And despite some suggestions, I never latched onto a song as I begand to make progress.  Then came the first contest of 2019.  I had planned to enter the original I was working on at the time.  Inspired by the rocking original tunes that LBro produces, I wanted to record something different to my usual style.  But that song, which became a lament about the state of the world with more echoes of Black Sabbeth (to my ears) than perhaps the AC/DC-esque sound I was originally thinking about, didn't fit the contest theme.

So I decided to write an orginal.  You can check it out here if you missed it and the backstory as to how it emerged.  https://justinguitarcommunity.com/index.php?topic=45188.msg402644#msg402644 (https://justinguitarcommunity.com/index.php?topic=45188.msg402644#msg402644)

Subsequently just posted up the hard rocker in AVOYP.  Again, if you missed it you can check it out here https://justinguitarcommunity.com/index.php?topic=45220.msg403019#msg403019 (https://justinguitarcommunity.com/index.php?topic=45220.msg403019#msg403019)

While I was busy loving the picking, Maggie posted a rendition of We Are Going To Be Friends.  For me that is an all time great song, just everything about it.  But sounded way beyond me.  Maggie encouraged me, to try it.  That shows the power of the support and encouragement from friends here.  She had more confidence in my ability and capacity to learn than I had in myself, but with her encouragement I gave it a go and eventually was able to learn to play it.  It is one of my favourite recordings now.

By the time I was ready to record that I'd also decided to try making videos, rather than just audio only recordings.  Turned out to be not too tricky to do ... to record the audio the way I always do, strip the audio from a video recorded with a phone and sync up the audio rendered from my DAW with the video.  I had posted a couple of videos before, so had a YT channel, and have now posted a few videos.

Here's a link to the channel ... https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCG2X_TlNs7agW-U0EBCDdbw (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCG2X_TlNs7agW-U0EBCDdbw)

I am blessed to have a wife, Lesley, who is also musical and able to play.  We began to play a little together, one thing led to another and we recorded a first song together as a duo.  I really am a fortunate man to be able to play music with my wife.  And again, if you missed that ... https://justinguitarcommunity.com/index.php?topic=45518.msg406780#msg406780 (https://justinguitarcommunity.com/index.php?topic=45518.msg406780#msg406780)

Most recent milestone was to play at an Open Mic.  A few people had listened to my recordings and watched the videos and were encouraging me to take this next step, that I was ready.  Previously I'd looked for such opportunities and not found any.  But searching again, I finally found just the right opportunity.  TJ's Acoustic Music Club puts on regular shows, at which they invite people to play but once a month they have an open mic event. 

So I went along to have a look see.  Just a recce, so to speak.  Long story short ... the music was wonderful.  People all above my play-grade.  But the organisers were encouraging.  Told me not to worry about that and just to come along and give it a go.

So I did.  I have to say that of all the steps taken since starting on the adventure, this was certainly the most scary.  We talk often about the red light syndrome ... how you play fine until you press record.  Well, when I stepped up I new this was a one shot deal ... there's no take two.  I got through it, with only losing my way once.  Importantly, I was able to just keep playing.  This is an important lesson I think ... just keep going ... get back on track.  And at an Open Mic, the audience was just supportive so no issue, no criticism. 

Make sure you have water handy ... who knew a m outh could become that dry.  Between songs I could feel the shaking and tension in my arms, the tightness in my chest and shortness of breathe.  But somehow, once I started to play, it was OK.  And when it was over, I felt on cloud 9 ... pumped up.

You'll find videos of the 4 songs on my YT channel.

I went back a month later and did it again.  It went better.  So now I am hooked on performing :)

The other big news in this time period is how I am setup to record here at home.  Lesley's Mom was staying with us.  It was a blessing and pleasure, although demanding as she aged and became frail.  And it also meant that the PC was setup in my son's room.  She passed away earlier this year ... sad but a blessing and relief, both for her and us at the time. Since then we have converted her room into a room for the PC, to record and in time for Lesley to sew.

I mentioned how blessed I am ... well, another of Lesley's abilities is wood-working.  She made up a desk with a shelf for the PC.  GAS struck at I acuired some Yamaha monitor speakers.  And, again long story short, and let the pictures speak ... we now have a room all set up ... as for today :)

(https://i.imgur.com/9pl5tlC.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/1OUXFIu.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/D37UtZc.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/EJLxlqn.jpg)

It was my pleasure, to treat her to an early birthday present on Saturday ... the ukelele that joined our guitar collection.

I think that is all the major happenings in the last 8 months.  There have been a number of other recordings along the way, while working the finger-picking.  All posted on AVOYP and still up on my SoundCloud.  If you are curious, you can give those a listen here https://soundcloud.com/david-preece-24770685 (https://soundcloud.com/david-preece-24770685)

As always, thank you to every person here, Justin's lessons and this Community truly is a wonderful way to learn to play, pursue your dreams, make friends, have fun.

Keep picking and strumming, rocking and rolling !!
Title: Re: David P's Road Case
Post by: CT on September 03, 2019, 05:33:58 am
Great addition to your story, DP! What a thrill it must have been, and good to hear that you went back and did it again. Sounds like a very supportive community of players there.

Sorry to hear about your Mother-In-Law, that's a tough loss for a family. Our parents are all gone now and it doesn't get any easier. Thoughts and well wishes to you and yours.

I like what you did with your music room. When you walk into the room it's hard not to pick up a guitar and play at least for a few minutes. My room is getting there, brown couch and all. That desk is really nice as well, good to have a woodworker and music partner in the house. :) 
Title: Re: David P's Road Case
Post by: DavidP on September 03, 2019, 05:54:49 am
Thanks very much, Clint.

Now I walk into the music room and have good memories of Mom. My father is still with us. He is 91 and the years and some illnesses have caught up with him. It's a hard gig, the final stretch.

You summed the rest up perfectly, nothing more for me to say  ;)
Title: Re: David P's Road Case
Post by: LBro on September 03, 2019, 06:47:14 am
Hi David,
You have come a long ways David and the music room is looking grand. It is great you have a place to spread out in now and call a studio.... sorry but "sewing room" does not excite me.

Was going to ask, what brand and model is the bass? I have a Peavey bass I snagged for $100 and it looks very similar...

Your wife's woodwork is more exciting to me and the items I can see in the pics look great. She did a nice job on those.

All my best in what comes next and keep rocking!
LB
Title: Re: David P's Road Case
Post by: DavidP on September 03, 2019, 07:08:03 am
Hi David,
You have come a long ways David and the music room is looking grand. It is great you have a place to spread out in now and call a studio.... sorry but "sewing room" does not excite me.

Was going to ask, what brand and model is the bass? I have a Peavey bass I snagged for $100 and it looks very similar...

Your wife's woodwork is more exciting to me and the items I can see in the pics look great. She did a nice job on those.

All my best in what comes next and keep rocking!
LB

Thanks LBro.

The bass is an Ibanez GSR200.  In the sunburst finish that we both favour ... can't fathom what came over to buy the Epi LP in blue  ;D

Lesley has so much ability when it comes to woodwork, actually handiwork in general.  She welds.  And that less exciting sewing.  Her next adventure will be into leather-work.
Title: Re: David P's Road Case
Post by: embishop on September 11, 2019, 09:26:01 pm
Music room is looking so great David, nice to have it all set up ready to play. And kudos on playing at a 2nd open mic. Should we be looking forward to your first album sometime soon??? :)
Title: Re: David P's Road Case
Post by: Alex6strings on September 11, 2019, 11:53:10 pm
What a great update and excellent pics of your music room.   I'm glad I didn't see any strange smoking implements laying around,  I know what you rock and roll kids are like!     
.
Seriously though,  Lesley does woodwork?  David I'm pretty sure I may have said this before,  but once again,  you sir are a lucky man.   
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I look forward to continuing on this journey with you David and here's to another chapter of musical discovery! 

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Title: Re: David P's Road Case
Post by: DavidP on September 12, 2019, 04:09:16 pm
Music room is looking so great David, nice to have it all set up ready to play. And kudos on playing at a 2nd open mic. Should we be looking forward to your first album sometime soon??? :)

Thanks Mari.  I'm enjoying the room.  Finished the mix of her duo version of Killing Me Softly in the room and I am convinced (shall keep telling myself this) that the final mix is better for having mixed on both monitors and headphones.

My plan is to perform at the Open Mic once a month.  The challenge it presents is sure to be continued for continued improvement.

As for the album ... well, don't know about that :)  Perhaps need a few more originals and then maybe.  Plenty of folk here to give me pointers on that final step.  But I've learned ... never say never  ;)

What a great update and excellent pics of your music room.   I'm glad I didn't see any strange smoking implements laying around,  I know what you rock and roll kids are like!     
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Seriously though,  Lesley does woodwork?  David I'm pretty sure I may have said this before,  but once again,  you sir are a lucky man.   
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I look forward to continuing on this journey with you David and here's to another chapter of musical discovery! 

Thanks Alex, my "rock 'n roll" days are left far behind me now.

I am so blessed.  Lesley does woodwork, like to turn on a lathe as well and knows how to weld, which can be handy.  Had to that the fact that she plays wonderfully by feel and has an angel's voice ... hmmm.  Seriously, I often think better than I deserved (back then in those rock 'n roll days when we met).
Title: Re: David P's Road Case
Post by: DavidP on December 16, 2019, 12:16:16 pm
And here we are, another year draws to a close. 

Today three years ago is the day I took out the dusty old guitar and started Justin's BC.  Happy to reflect on how far I have progressed in learning to play. And at risk of repeating myself, find myself reflecting on having done things that I never imagined as being possible when I started up.

Yesterday, to commemorate three years spent learning and having fun, I posted up a couple of recordings.  And the feedback was (as always) wonderfully encouraging and complimentary.

And I got to thinking that it is fair to say that we are wired for Community, to be social beings.  And for me I feel a deep connection and sense of belonging here, so much care and support from everybody for everybody.  When I made my first post just over 4500 post ago, I had no idea just how important the Community would prove to be, both in terms of enabling the learning and also in terms of life in general, in terms of the many friendships I have made here through our shared love of music.

Music wise, the last few months since the last update have passed by in similar fashion.

I have now played a total of 4 Open Mic sessions.  Three of those are posted up in the live performance area, unfortunately to date haven't been able to get the video of the forth performance from Lionel who records everything.  For the record I performed the following songs at that event: Blowing In The Wind, Killing Me Softly and Before You Accuse Me.

I missed the final event of the year, being away for work, and am now thinking about the next Open Mic at the end of January.  I have performed the last three sessions without using song sheets, either paper or on a tablet.  I do feel an extra pressure and stress to remember the lyrics, so am considering using the music stand again.  And maybe then I can set my phone up and make a recording like I did yesterday.  My thinking being that being less under pressure to remember may help reduce mistakes, be more relaxed.

The other highlight was completing another full production of my fifth original song, Free.  You can listen to that in the latest Contest.

So performing, recording original songs, finger-picking ... all things that were hard to imagine when I started.  I was particularly anxious about the basic finger-picking part of the BC and it turned out to be something I really do enjoy.

In the last few months, I've made more progress on the Finger-Style Module and am practicing a pattern that uses the high e string plus some bass walks between chords.  So far have not identified and settled on a suitable song.  maybe time to look at some of the easier Dylan finger-picked songs, though singing his lyrics is not always so easy.

As I said in the reply to comments on yesterday's post in AVOYP, I am feeling motivated to work a little more on my strumming, more wrist to get better control and accuracy ... a little more like how Loefgren plays. Then maybe try and get to grips with two of my favourite songs: Norwegian Wood and Needle and the Damage Done, which both need more pick accuracy than I can currently manage.

I also dream about maybe one day playing or busking, perhaps the local coffee shop just up the road ... maybe they'd be open to somebody performing in their garden on a Sat or Sun.  Then I'd need an acoustic amp with a channel for guitar and mic, perhaps some pedals to achieve similar sound live as what I can achieve now in my DAW when I record myself playing and singing.  A man can dream  ;D

Who knows. 

I do know enough now not to limit myself as to what might be possible as I continue the adventure.  An Open Mic was a fantasy, even as recently as the start of this year ... now I am a regular. 

So who knows.

Speaking of Open Mic, at music club that host the event also hosts shows where 4-5 acts, sometimes solo sometimes a full band, perform.  Apart from maybe one day being invited to perform there, I am also interested in perhaps getting more involved with the sound engineering on the night. With my experience mixing productions on the DAW I think maybe I could get into live engineering.  And it sounds like fun.

As I say, who knows where the path leads, what opportunities will present over time.  All I do know is that I can't imagine life without my guitar, recording and performing. 

The learning, the progress, the achievements, the friendships ... in this context, life doesn't get any better.

Once again, I wish you all everything of the best.  Keep at it, follow Justin's lessons, be active in the Community and I am confident you can also achieve your musical dreams.
Title: Re: David P's Road Case
Post by: Balamuthiah on December 16, 2019, 12:27:47 pm
Sounds like an amazing year in your guitar journey David! Always nice to be able to play live to people! And your dreams are achievable, especially with your kind of sincerity and dedication! 😊 rock on! 🤘🏾 May next year bring you more musical joy and adventures! 😊
Title: Re: David P's Road Case
Post by: DavidP on December 17, 2019, 07:54:19 am
Sounds like an amazing year in your guitar journey David! Always nice to be able to play live to people! And your dreams are achievable, especially with your kind of sincerity and dedication! 😊 rock on! 🤘🏾 May next year brings you more musical joy and adventures! 😊

Thanks Bala.  It sure was ...

Finger-picking
Three more originals
Music room
Four Open Mic performances

... in a nutshell.

And no doubt the adventure and joy will continue.
Title: Re: David P's Road Case
Post by: sairfingers on December 17, 2019, 01:52:08 pm
I was particularly anxious about the basic finger-picking part of the BC and it turned out to be something I really do enjoy.

In the last few months, I've made more progress on the Finger-Style Module and am practicing a pattern that uses the high e string plus some bass walks between chords.  So far have not identified and settled on a suitable song.  maybe time to look at some of the easier Dylan finger-picked songs, though singing his lyrics is not always so easy.
Hi David and congratulations on your 3 year guitar anniversary! Wow I’m impressed by what you’ve achieved.

I’m taking some time out from the IM to try and concentrate on fingerstyle. It is something I’ve been avoiding up until now. I managed the BC fingerstyle content no problem as that was fairly basic but it is not enough to play a song with.
I’ve now started Justin’s folk fingerstyle module and am struggling to get pattern #1! My fingers are tripping over each other and I find it hard to memorise the pattern and keep the timing right.
Your progress gives me hope! Like all things guitar it is practice, practice, practice.

On another topic, is there a way to quote a short section of a long post. It took me about 5 minutes to delete all the bits from your post that I didn’t want to quote. 😃
Title: Re: David P's Road Case
Post by: DavidP on December 17, 2019, 03:25:30 pm
Hi David and congratulations on your 3 year guitar anniversary! Wow I’m impressed by what you’ve achieved.

I’m taking some time out from the IM to try and concentrate on fingerstyle. It is something I’ve been avoiding up until now. I managed the BC fingerstyle content no problem as that was fairly basic but it is not enough to play a song with.
I’ve now started Justin’s folk fingerstyle module and am struggling to get pattern #1! My fingers are tripping over each other and I find it hard to memorise the pattern and keep the timing right.
Your progress gives me hope! Like all things guitar it is practice, practice, practice.

On another topic, is there a way to quote a short section of a long post. It took me about 5 minutes to delete all the bits from your post that I didn’t want to quote. 😃

Thanks very much, appreciate you taking time to stop by and make a comment, Sairfingers.

Just keep at it, it took me months to get into the groove with those picking patterns and eventually be able to play and sing a song with a simple pattern that used alternating bass ... checking back I think a big moment for me was recording We Are Going To Be Friends.  Achieved that end of Jun after starting the lessons over Christmas break.

As for the editing ... can't help there ... I try and only do editing of quotes when at a PC with a proper keyboard.
Title: Re: David P's Road Case
Post by: Alex6strings on December 19, 2019, 06:29:17 pm
Congratulations on your 3 year guitarversary David!   I've probably only been around the forum and known you for half that time but I've been totally impressed at how far you've come.   
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Your finger picking and fingerstyle playing is a credit to you and shows your commitment to it.  As you would know, nothing comes easily when it comes to learning guitar so every step forward or new technique learned is preceded by many hours, guitar in hand doing the necessary repetition it takes to be comfortable and confident.  It easy to see that you put in the work, thus we are rewarded with your excellent performances.  Well done mate, Keep picking brother.  8)
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Title: Re: David P's Road Case
Post by: DavidP on December 20, 2019, 07:16:17 am
Congratulations on your 3 year guitarversary David!   I've probably only been around the forum and known you for half that time but I've been totally impressed at how far you've come.   
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Your finger picking and fingerstyle playing is a credit to you and shows your commitment to it.  As you would know, nothing comes easily when it comes to learning guitar so every step forward or new technique learned is preceded by many hours, guitar in hand doing the necessary repetition it takes to be comfortable and confident.  It easy to see that you put in the work, thus we are rewarded with your excellent performances.  Well done mate, Keep picking brother.  8)
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Hey Alex,

Good to hear from you.  Hope you are keeping well and keeping up your playing.

You are so right and everybody is different, so some things may come more easily than others, for everybody.  Bottom line, keep at it and you keep improving.

I'm still busy with the finger-picking but have taken some time out over the holidays to learn some fun simple strumming songs, like Eight Days A Week (maybe I shouldn't call that simple since it has a Bm chord and beginners may curse my insensitivity for calling that simple). 

I plan to revert to using my song sheets for Open Mics to take some pressure off me to have to remember all the lyrics ... I know that is a trade-off, but we'll see how it goes ... and wanted to build up the repertoire for those events.

Be well, my friend.
Title: Re: David P's Road Case
Post by: max_mue on December 20, 2019, 08:11:32 am
Splendid update David and Happy Guitarversary :)
I've already checked out your recent video in the AVOYP section - well done!! Great to see how fast you are picking up new songs by now :) I'm already looking forward to all your recordings & experiences you'll share with us in 2020 :)  Long may you pick and rock  ;D
Title: Re: David P's Road Case
Post by: DavidP on December 20, 2019, 08:39:11 am
Splendid update David and Happy Guitarversary :)
I've already checked out your recent video in the AVOYP section - well done!! Great to see how fast you are picking up new songs by now :) I'm already looking forward to all your recordings & experiences you'll share with us in 2020 :)  Long may you pick and rock  ;D

Thanks so much, Max, appreciate your encouragement.

No doubt, 2020 will be the best year yet  ;D
Title: Re: David P's Road Case
Post by: pkboo3 on February 03, 2020, 02:27:42 pm
David, awesome room you and Lesley have set up. I know it’s really late for me to say this, but so sorry for your loss of your Mother-in-law. And about your dad and his frailties.

So happy for you on your guitar journey, i.e., your open mics, your finger-style progress...Oh, and your song originals...and your music room - the list is still growing! 


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Title: Re: David P's Road Case
Post by: DavidP on April 14, 2020, 03:37:10 pm
Today is a good day for a Road Case update.  I happened to notice a couple of numbers the other day and they seemed to be lining up to make this fitting:

30 YouTube subscribers ... while I am not on a mission to become a YouTuber with 100s and 1000s of subscribers, it seems human nature that having put oneself out there, one hopes that people watch. So I do enjoy the fact that I have more than my brother subscribing, but shan't be investing time in building a subscriber base by getting out there on Facebook, Twitter, Instagram and others that I couldn't name.

40 months of musical adventure ... a well rounded number of months since starting off with Lesson 1, Stage 1.  How time flies.

4999 Forum Posts ... this was the number that caught my eye.  And I watched carefully, like a batsman in the nervous nineties (apologies to those west of the Atlantic, to whom a cricket metaphor is likely to be lost and I suppose to everyone else, everywhere else to whom a cricket metaphor is lost), having decided that this update would be my 5000th post.

So here it is.  But truth be told, haven't got much of an update since my 3 Year Guitarversary update posted 4 months ago...

A few more covers posted. A few more Open Mic performances.

Still working on the picking pattern but have started working on an original song, rather than learning one of Dylan's.

I have started working on the first basic exercise Justin recommends when starting to develop picked finger style. Working on it with a lack of regular attention that suggests it may be a while before I starting using it in even an incredibly poor emulation of Neil Young.

I have also started working on the palm-muted strumming technique. I have decided to produce an original song using the technique and the typical Oasis chord grips I have watched Johan aka Loefgren use so often.

The pace at which I produce originals these two ideas, plus a third, may well be the subject of my 4 Year Guitarversary update.

Oh and the odd dabble and noodle over a Guitar Challenge backing track ... to really improve that would require some focus on the Blues rhythm and Lead courses ... don't feel inclined right now.

I suppose, in a nutshell, I am consolidating post the Beginner Course, with the E and A shape Intermediate barre chord shapes thrown in and the introductory folk-finger style modules. But mostly consolidating to improve the level of my basics, learning, recording and performing songs.

Most importantly I continue to have fun, feel slow improvement and enjoy hanging out here with all the rest of my Forum Friends.

Not much of an update, so decided to share something a little different ...

As you may know I am also a Toastmaster. A few weeks ago I found myself in a position where I needed to give a speech with almost no notice, no time to prepare.  So I resorted to talking about something special to me that might serve as generally inspiration to the audience ... it was before confinement, so an actual in-the-flesh audience ... my guitar adventure.

That journey from wishing, dreaming and believing I lacked the talent to make the wishes come true, the dreams to become reality.

I refined the ideas to deliver the speech again on Sunday evening. I thought perhaps some of the folk new to the Community, maybe those like me who'd already chalked up a 50 year life (cricket again) and wonder if it is possible.

Well I believed it wasn't in me ... lacked dexterity, coordination and the most basic feel for rhythm. And yet here I am.  And I can simplify it to 4 keys, 4 keys to unlock the shackles and take the journey to this point where I think it is fair to say I can play ... not like my most loved Neil Young and the rest ... not like some of the people who's postings I listen to with great appreciation.

And it matters not. If I am now as good as I am going to get then I will continue to live the dream, actually more than I ever imagined when I started.

So the 4 keys ...

1) Find the right teacher. Here we are, students Justin Sandercoe. No arguments on his qualities as a teacher. And he was the right teacher for me.

2) Adopt a growth mindset. This was important for me, given the limiting beliefs I held about my lack of talent  that make learning to play in any decent fashion impossible. I forget where I first read of the Growth Mindset. I do remember Maggie aka Batwoman posting this infographic which sums it up better than my prose can ...

(https://i.imgur.com/3v0s6Ju.png)

And if you'd like to know more, then you can always read Carol Dweck's book "Mindset".  If a book is too much reading, try this blog post: https://fs.blog/2015/03/carol-dweck-mindset/ (https://fs.blog/2015/03/carol-dweck-mindset/).  And if that is still too much reading then watch one of her TED Talks.

Changing my mindset, and striving to adopt the growth mindset certainly played a part.

3) Deliberate practice

Now this topic of talent and practice surfaces here periodically. Often based around Malcolm Gladwell's famous, infamous, controversial, best-selling "Outliers". Now when giving the speech I ask the audience who may have read it, heard of it. Usually only one or two have.  But ask how many no what I mean by the "10,000 hour rule" and the majority know all about it.  That makes a point in itself. And I have no intention to open the discussion here.  But it is disconcerting how little people need to know to adopt such a statement as their truth.

Moving on from the conceptual ideas about success and mastery expressed by Gladwell, I think one can find more use in the idea of deliberate practice. I think, stand to be corrected, that Anders Ericsson did the research and writing. I recently came across this blog post, which I enjoyed on the topic: https://jamesclear.com/beginners-guide-deliberate-practice (https://jamesclear.com/beginners-guide-deliberate-practice)

And if one sets aside the counting of hours, for me it really doesn't matter. I find this notion of deliberate practice to be empowering. I can't say how many hours I have invested, how deliberate my practice was. But for the proof is in the pudding and I can play now like I never could before, having made a few attempts over the decades since the first attempt as a 19 year old student.

But if the matter of hours remains important to you, take a look this article shared here, possibly by Majik, maybe stitch, I forget https://www.6seconds.org/2018/02/09/the-great-practice-myth-debunking-the-10000-hour-rule-and-what-you-actually-need-to-know-about-practice/ (https://www.6seconds.org/2018/02/09/the-great-practice-myth-debunking-the-10000-hour-rule-and-what-you-actually-need-to-know-about-practice/)

And this would suggest that nature and nurture have some influence on your ability and capacity to learn something.  At this stage, I aspire no more than to continue to learn and improve, primarily for my own enjoyment and satisfaction.  So I am not too fussed.  The truth of these theories is of little consequence.

4) Quality feedback.

I think it may have been Brian who pointed out that the Forum serves to address a potentially serious limitation in online learning.  That of not having a teacher who can observe and provide you feedback.  Without feedback you will not know for sure that what you are doing is well done, solving problems can be difficult and knowing what needs work to improve.  I say limitation as I am sure you can serve yourself to a degree, some maybe more than others.

For me the feedback from the Community was invaluable.  First and foremost encouragement.  It works for me to know that I am not alone. The confirmation of improvement has been invaluable. I think I am getting better, but it helps me when others also say so.  And finally the pointing out of things that are not quite right, that need attention.

With these 4 keys, I have come along way. As I have said many times before, I don't consider myself to be innately talented. The 4 keys plus desire and the discipline to take instruction from the teacher and follow the programme, will lead to learning and mastery ... a degree of mastery.  Maybe never world class mastery, but more than sufficient for the average hobbyist.

If you are still reading, I salute you and hope you have gleaned something of value and even inspiration from my thoughts and experience.

And with that, let me press "post" on this 5000th post

See you round for more magical musical adventures ...




Title: Re: David P's Road Case
Post by: sairfingers on April 14, 2020, 04:57:13 pm
Congratulations on your 5000th post David. An interesting and thought provoking addition to your road case thread which I enjoyed reading. I share many of your sentiments regarding learning guitar and I’m especially grateful that I took it up prior to this virus pandemic. Music and learning guitar (my wife is learning piano) is giving us a focus and helping us get through this difficult time when we can’t visit family - we are missing our grandchildren especially - and friends.

Rock on fellow JG students!
Title: Re: David P's Road Case
Post by: glpguitar on April 14, 2020, 06:09:36 pm
Congrats David! To another 5000 posts and 40 months of playing! Keep the positivity going!
Title: Re: David P's Road Case
Post by: DavidP on April 15, 2020, 12:29:04 pm
Congratulations on your 5000th post David. An interesting and thought provoking addition to your road case thread which I enjoyed reading. I share many of your sentiments regarding learning guitar and I’m especially grateful that I took it up prior to this virus pandemic. Music and learning guitar (my wife is learning piano) is giving us a focus and helping us get through this difficult time when we can’t visit family - we are missing our grandchildren especially - and friends.

Rock on fellow JG students!

Thanks Gordon.  Just got a hang in there and good to hear you and your wife are learning instruments together ... look forward to a duet performance.

Congrats David! To another 5000 posts and 40 months of playing! Keep the positivity going!

Thanks glp ... yes indeed. We'll keep rocking n rolling and who knows where we'll be in 40 more months. Will all be good on the music front, for sure.
Title: Re: David P's Road Case
Post by: pkboo3 on April 15, 2020, 03:23:15 pm
Enjoyed your post and your observations. Mostly the part about quality feedback and not having a teacher to provide the feedback.  I always appreciate fellow members constructive critiques. Which to me is almost as good as personal feedback.


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Title: Re: David P's Road Case
Post by: embishop on April 15, 2020, 03:38:49 pm
Enjoyed your update, David. The 4 keys summary is spot on.

5,000 posts, wow!

Keep playing, learning, having fun, and encouraging the rest of us :)
Title: Re: David P's Road Case
Post by: DavidP on April 15, 2020, 04:43:04 pm
Pam & Mari, thanks for reading another of my epic posts.  Glad you enjoyed it.

Pam, you are so right about the quality and value of Community feedback.

Mari, we shall all continue onwards, being mutually encouraging ...

Title: Re: David P's Road Case
Post by: batwoman on April 19, 2020, 04:02:53 am
5000 posts, this is epic David. Your Toastmasters as well as your professional experience shows in this post. Great info, well put. I just added to your vibes count.

You are EPIC  8)
Title: Re: David P's Road Case
Post by: DavidP on April 19, 2020, 08:35:52 am
5000 posts, this is epic David. Your Toastmasters as well as your professional experience shows in this post. Great info, well put. I just added to your vibes count.

You are EPIC  8)

Thanks so much for taking a read and always being with me on this adventure, Maggie, always supportive and encouraging.
Title: Re: David P's Road Case
Post by: Rossco01 on April 19, 2020, 12:22:14 pm
Wow that's a lot of posts and not in that much time AND most of those posts are pretty detailed and put together with a lot of thought. Whilst there is always people coming and going in these groups there is a really nice ongoing community on this forum that can continues to encourage and support not only each other but also people who are just starting out on the journey OR who have been on it for a long time but find this forum as a place to share and develop further.

Well done David and roll on the next 5000!
Title: Re: David P's Road Case
Post by: DavidP on April 19, 2020, 01:48:47 pm
Thanks so much, Jason.  Appreciate the comments on my posts and totally concur with your thoughts about the Community. We shall all rock 'n roll onwards ... living the dream :)
Title: Re: David P's Road Case
Post by: frito on June 16, 2020, 05:00:25 pm
Hey, congratulations on the community award!  👍
Title: Re: David P's Road Case
Post by: DavidP on June 16, 2020, 05:24:07 pm
Hey, congratulations on the community award!  👍

Thanks Joe, I was reading the newsletter,  totally unsuspecting or even thinking about that award and who may be the winner.  So was totally gobsmacked when I saw the announcement and my name.
Title: Re: David P's Road Case
Post by: redrhodie on June 16, 2020, 07:44:27 pm
Congratulations David! Well deserved! Couldn't have gone to a nicer person.

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Title: Re: David P's Road Case
Post by: close2u on June 16, 2020, 08:06:31 pm
I'm delighted that we could choose you and every word in the written accolade is true. We could have written even more but wanted to be concise.
:)
Title: Re: David P's Road Case
Post by: sdd56 on June 16, 2020, 08:43:57 pm
Congrats David - I don't often post on here but regularly read posts, and it's clear you have contributed a lot to this forum, and encouraged many.
Stan
Title: Re: David P's Road Case
Post by: DavidP on June 17, 2020, 06:46:41 am
Congratulations David! Well deserved! Couldn't have gone to a nicer person.

Thank you, Lynn, that's ever so kind.

I'm delighted that we could choose you and every word in the written accolade is true. We could have written even more but wanted to be concise.
:)

Thank you, Richard, as I say I am stunned and delighted in equal measures and most certainly blushing a tad.

Congrats David - I don't often post on here but regularly read posts, and it's clear you have contributed a lot to this forum, and encouraged many.
Stan

Thank you, Stan, I do love this Community and do what I can to contribute.
Title: Re: David P's Road Case
Post by: Twilight Storm on June 17, 2020, 11:49:07 pm
Congratulations David! 💖💖 Well deserved award! You add a lot to the community and are always supportive and helpful!

I was hesitant to join any guitar forum because most guitar forums can be not-so-nice places. Justin impressed me with his website and system and I popped in here to the forums where I was impressed by the atmosphere, which wouldn't be possible without you, and all the other great people here who take the time to help others and make everyone feel welcome!💖 (And especially the mods, who also go above and beyond in so many, many, ways!)

Anyway, keep being awesome David, and congratulations again! 💖
Title: Re: David P's Road Case
Post by: Alex6strings on June 18, 2020, 02:46:35 am
I just re-read your 5000 posts, all quality stuff.   Congratulations David! on your posts, your award, your lovely wife and on your insight.  Your mindset during your journey is a fascinating read and I say get posting cause we all love your work my friend. Did  someone say cricket?
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Cheers to you hitting a six down the ground over mid on, off a quicker ball, over pitched on leg stump, to bring up your half ton of yt followers!    ;) 8)   
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keep on picking brother!  (i know you will)

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Title: Re: David P's Road Case
Post by: DavidP on June 18, 2020, 10:57:58 am
Thank you Becky.  You summed it up. It is the whole Community which is truly a community, every member, that makes learning so possible ... the support, suggestions and general care.

Of course being Australian, the cricket metaphor lands for you, Alex, appreciate all your encouragement. And like the cricketing greats, I'm just getting started and aim to build a big innings here  ;D
Title: Re: David P's Road Case
Post by: sairfingers on June 18, 2020, 11:55:05 am
Congrats David you’ve certainly made a big contribution to the JG forum. Always positive, helpful and supportive.
I think this forum is pretty unique in terms of content. Other guitar forums are full of members whose opinion is the only correct one, whose guitar is the only one anyone should buy, everyone else is wrong and the points are expressed in a forceful, often unkind, put down manner.
You’re contributions to this forum are an example of how forum members should be.
Title: Re: David P's Road Case
Post by: DavidP on June 18, 2020, 12:37:21 pm
Thanks, Gordon, appreciate that. Seems like I got lucky and came directly to Justin Guitar, for lessons and community.
Title: Re: David P's Road Case
Post by: LBro on June 18, 2020, 02:11:42 pm
David,
Many congrats on this well deserved award. Someone had to be first and no one better than you! Enjoy the spoils of your success! Maybe it will help with a new pedal or something!  ;)

Keep rockin,
LB
Title: Re: David P's Road Case
Post by: DavidP on June 18, 2020, 04:57:16 pm
Thanks very much, LBro, appreciate your ongoing encouragement and all the know-how you have shared with me behind the scenes as I have progressed
Title: Re: David P's Road Case
Post by: DavidP on December 16, 2020, 06:35:56 am
My 4th JGversary

Dec 16th and time for a RC update to reflect on my fourth year and four years here. I’m trying something different in this update. After my customary long story, I’ve added some info about my gear, original songs, and links to my RCupdates. The last for those folk, who may be new to the Forum and perhaps want to look back and follow my story from the beginning.

I do sometimes look back over my RC myself, particularly in moments of frustration or self-doubt/criticism and then enjoy reading all the comments and chat between the updates. While that reminds me how far I have come and the chat is encouraging, I expect it is less so for others. Hence not deleting all those posts and providing the links so you can skip all the in-between posts and just follow the story if you feel so inclined.

I began this year determined to keep working on finger-picking and performing at TJ’s Acoustic Music Club’s Open Mic nights. TJs also host evenings where people are invited to play and my aim was to improve as a live performer to eventually be invited to the Big Stage event.  Of course everything changed with the spread of the Corona virus and measures taken to combat the Covid-19 pandemic.

But as they say “the show must go on”. And I can reflect on another year of learning, some progress, fun, and achievements to celebrate.

Once Open Mic events were no longer happening I decided to simulate the live experience by recording a set of three songs with talk in between. I named the series "Songs From the Playroom (not the Wood)" You’ll find these and all my other recordings on my YouTube channel (link in the Gear section below). While recording a video at home is not quite as scary as the real thing, hitting the record button remains the cue for adrenalin to begin to pump. I don’t shake and tense as much as I used to but still find that learning how to be relaxed and in the moment, keeping the mind focussed on the performance and not thinking about the performance or worse inner dialogue about not making a mistake is harder than it sounds.

As I continued to work on how I make the home live videos, I succumbed again to GAS and picked up a TC Helicon Play Acoustic pedal. The purpose being to be able to make live videos that have similar sound quality as what I produce in the DAW but without using the DAW. Eventually the pedal should allow me to play live with that same sound quality, with the guitar plugged in rather than being mic’ed up. An extravagance no doubt but am enjoying being able to make the home videos with a webcam, rather than a phone, the DAW, and the process to marry the two together. And who knows, when the day comes to play on the Big Stage, I will be ready.

In preparing the list of posts below, I noticed that I acquired the Hohner Resonator in July 2018. Finally this year, two years later, I was ready to start down the path to learn finger-style blues. My first step is to learn the first piece, Steady Thumb Blues, from Justin’s Solo Blues course. I posted a WIP video and it remains a work in progress, along with the second piece Walking Easy Blues. My progress is slow, but I enjoy the process, and I know in time I will get better and develop the control of the thumb and fingers of the right hand, be able to make chords and play lead lines, and do all together. And yes Darrell, DaddyStovePipe’s pieces are also on the to-learn list. Justin has also posted up some lessons recently that I have watched and will come back to. For now learning by learning pieces is appealing to me.

Along the way some more covers and a couple of original songs. Four years in the progress this year feels less significant than in previous years. I feel like I can’t really call myself a beginner anymore and that disrupts my expectations, self-assessments. The inner judge now starts to mess with my mind pointing out that I ought to be better than I am after four years. And when progress is less dramatic, being more on a plateau of small improvements rather than making the big improvements, I can struggle a little. The mental side of learning has its challenging moments for me.

So I make the most of the little wins. For example, being able to revisit Wonderful Tonight and be able to play and sing it from memory, playing the D/F# with the thumb over the top, and the camera recording, felt great. 

And at risk of blowing my own trumpet, I was fortunate to be recognised with a Community Award … totally unexpected when I look at all the other folk who’ve been recognised. I had the opportunity to spend time with Justin talking about song-writing and production. I have written up my experiences and suffice here to say, I learned a great deal and was able to apply it to great benefit in the most recent original song I produced.

When I began I posted all my recordings up on SoundCloud. Having taken the plunge to post videos rather than just audios, I’ve decided that in due course I will close the SC account and just use YouTube. But I did want my YT channel to include the most memorable recordings shared on SC, mostly my own original songs.  And in porting them across I decided to remix the songs. An opportunity to see how much I may have improved in that aspect. So far so good and I feel the mixes already released have been significantly better.

As I reflect, I would now consider myself to be continuing to consolidate the Beginner Course skills with the ability to play E and A shape barre chords while working slowly at finger-style, via the Folk Fingerstyle module or the Solo Blues Course. I continue to enjoy producing original songs, when the muse comes a calling. And I have made progress as a mixer/sound engineer (that sounds ever so grandiose but can’t think of a better word)

That said, I find myself tending to practice with far less determination and investment in time than when I was doing the Beginner Course and spend far more time learning and playing songs.

Having read how other folk have set themselves what we at work call BHAGs (Big Hairy Audacious Goal) and are driven to practice, I got to thinking about my own approach. I am quite happy puttering along. And when I look back over the year I think I have improved as a player and singer but haven’t advanced my skills significantly in the year.

And I wonder if that may be due to the fact that when I began four years ago, it was a last chance saloon moment, with me not believing I had the necessary innate talent to really get very far. Having achieved so much more than I imagined I might, maybe the drive to push on to become even better, to set and work towards my own BHAGs, is just not there. I don’t know. Not that I am unhappy or frustrated, I just tend to think, maybe over-think, about things.

Time to stop thinking and analysing and just appreciate the fun had, the achievements, the continued progress, even if on a more gentle trajectory. I can celebrate four wonderful years, having made so many friends here in the Community. I look forward to continuing to play and sing, work on my finger-style and blues playing, produce more original songs, and maybe some opportunities to collaborate and produce some songs with folk here will present (I do enjoy the mixing and mastering).

Thank you all for listening and reading, for all your encouragement and support. Without it I am sure I would have packed it in again in Feb 2017.

Keep on keeping on with your own journey and adventures, sure and confident in the knowledge that if you stick with the programme, persevere, you will progress and achieve your own goals.

Gear

Guitars: Fender Paramount PM-1 Deluxe | Honer Resonator | Epiphone LP Standard Pro | Celebrity CC67 (Nashville strung)
Amp: Blackstar ID15:TVP
Pedals: TC Helicon Play Acoustic
Mics: Samson CO3 | AKG D5 | Shure 545SD Unidyne III
AI: Focusrite Scarlet 2i2
DAW: Reaper
YT Channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCG2X_TlNs7agW-U0EBCDdbw (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCG2X_TlNs7agW-U0EBCDdbw)

My Original Songs

No Regrets https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pdpo2v0YYvA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pdpo2v0YYvA)
Voices of Vincent Blue Beast https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6tL_xXB1nQU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6tL_xXB1nQU)
Free https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mTB2gwCuJfk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mTB2gwCuJfk)
Two To Midnight https://soundcloud.com/david-preece-24770685/two-to-midnight-20190505 (https://soundcloud.com/david-preece-24770685/two-to-midnight-20190505)
David’s Summer Songet https://soundcloud.com/david-preece-24770685/davids-summer-songet-20190427 (https://soundcloud.com/david-preece-24770685/davids-summer-songet-20190427)
Dear Johnny Blues https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yII_bC3mCc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yII_bC3mCc)
Song For Lesley https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9NCKNbm0eNQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9NCKNbm0eNQ)

RC Index

Here are links to my RC updates, from latest to first. Some of the posts include links to recordings that were shared on SoundCloud, which have been deleted to make space.

#20 5000th Forum post and 4 keys to learning https://justinguitarcommunity.com/index.php?topic=41958.msg418388#msg418388 (https://justinguitarcommunity.com/index.php?topic=41958.msg418388#msg418388)
#19 My 3rd JGversary https://justinguitarcommunity.com/index.php?topic=41958.msg412333#msg412333 (https://justinguitarcommunity.com/index.php?topic=41958.msg412333#msg412333)
#18 First Open Mic and setting up the music room https://justinguitarcommunity.com/index.php?topic=41958.msg408299#msg408299 (https://justinguitarcommunity.com/index.php?topic=41958.msg408299#msg408299)
#17 My 2nd JGversary https://justinguitarcommunity.com/index.php?topic=41958.msg395821#msg395821 (https://justinguitarcommunity.com/index.php?topic=41958.msg395821#msg395821)
#16 First live performance https://justinguitarcommunity.com/index.php?topic=41958.msg395343#msg395343 (https://justinguitarcommunity.com/index.php?topic=41958.msg395343#msg395343)
#15 First two originals and winning the Forum Contest https://justinguitarcommunity.com/index.php?topic=41958.msg392745#msg392745 (https://justinguitarcommunity.com/index.php?topic=41958.msg392745#msg392745)
#14 18 month update https://justinguitarcommunity.com/index.php?topic=41958.msg387129#msg387129 (https://justinguitarcommunity.com/index.php?topic=41958.msg387129#msg387129)
#13 My 1st JGversary https://justinguitarcommunity.com/index.php?topic=41958.msg374843#msg374843 (https://justinguitarcommunity.com/index.php?topic=41958.msg374843#msg374843)
#12 Going beyond my dreams https://justinguitarcommunity.com/index.php?topic=41958.msg372813#msg372813 (https://justinguitarcommunity.com/index.php?topic=41958.msg372813#msg372813)
#11 September songs and success https://justinguitarcommunity.com/index.php?topic=41958.msg370936#msg370936 (https://justinguitarcommunity.com/index.php?topic=41958.msg370936#msg370936)
#10 RC up to date, 8.5 month reflection https://justinguitarcommunity.com/index.php?topic=41958.msg367334#msg367334 (https://justinguitarcommunity.com/index.php?topic=41958.msg367334#msg367334)
#9 A severe attack of GAS https://justinguitarcommunity.com/index.php?topic=41958.msg367332#msg367332 (https://justinguitarcommunity.com/index.php?topic=41958.msg367332#msg367332)
#8 It’s not a linear journey https://justinguitarcommunity.com/index.php?topic=41958.msg367304#msg367304 (https://justinguitarcommunity.com/index.php?topic=41958.msg367304#msg367304)
#7 Consolidation, Forum Contest, and BC Stage 4 https://justinguitarcommunity.com/index.php?topic=41958.msg367171#msg367171 (https://justinguitarcommunity.com/index.php?topic=41958.msg367171#msg367171)
#6 The onset of GAS https://justinguitarcommunity.com/index.php?topic=41958.msg367161#msg367161 (https://justinguitarcommunity.com/index.php?topic=41958.msg367161#msg367161)
#5 Joining the Community and my first recordings https://justinguitarcommunity.com/index.php?topic=41958.msg367108#msg367108 (https://justinguitarcommunity.com/index.php?topic=41958.msg367108#msg367108)
#4 Playing where other people were around https://justinguitarcommunity.com/index.php?topic=41958.msg366739#msg366739 (https://justinguitarcommunity.com/index.php?topic=41958.msg366739#msg366739)
#3 Beginning Justin’s BC https://justinguitarcommunity.com/index.php?topic=41958.msg366228#msg366228 (https://justinguitarcommunity.com/index.php?topic=41958.msg366228#msg366228)
#2 Starting the guitar adventure https://justinguitarcommunity.com/index.php?topic=41958.msg365944#msg365944 (https://justinguitarcommunity.com/index.php?topic=41958.msg365944#msg365944)
#1 Discovering a love of music https://justinguitarcommunity.com/index.php?topic=41958.msg365758#msg365758 (https://justinguitarcommunity.com/index.php?topic=41958.msg365758#msg365758)
Title: Re: David P's Road Case
Post by: close2u on December 16, 2020, 08:10:03 am
What a mighty update David.
4 years and still going strong - getting stronger infact.
Keep on rocking and picking.
:)
Title: Re: David P's Road Case
Post by: Rossco01 on December 16, 2020, 08:37:06 am
Once I saw you'd updated your Road Case I settled myself down for a long read. It's a slow Wednesday at work and I have - for a change - the time focus on a longer read than normal. I thoroughly enjoyed it and it's interesting to see your reflections on progress, practice etc. after four years. I've never been one for keeping my Road Case going but I do think sometimes it's important to just reflect on the progress made.

I could mirror what you have said in terms of practice and performance. My "practice" routine to specifically sit down and go through lessons etc. is negligible. I am at the moment more driven by songs and performing. I guess the drive to learn new skills is driven by that ,so things like barre chords were still very difficult for me just over 12 months ago BUT I no longer think about them because I use them in songs all the time. I am also slowly finding that it's becoming more natural to blend in rhythm with some simple solo or string picking as part of songs. I'm still rubbish at improv and blues in general (something I want to improve but struggle to find the motivation to) but I am making slow progress. More recently I've started to see the value of triads as part of switching up parts of songs....so I now find myself practicing that more. Overall I'm learning new skills incrementally BUT I agree it not like the big steps being made in the early years. Personally I see nothing wrong with that. Even though I can practice everyday for anything between 1-2 hours that still feels like limited time to squeeze things in...so I do what I enjoy.

I would say you've progressed quite a lot in the last year, in particular your confidence around performances and angling more and more to actually fully learning the song so that you can perform it without any support. The song itself becomes drilled into muscle memory. We all have self doubt and I think we all look at how others perform and think I wish I could do that....I don't think  we should ever lose sight of where we've come from. I know if someone showed me 6 years ago how I could play guitar I would be very happy and I'm sure you are the same.

Bravo again for an interesting update and I wish you the best of luck with your goals for next year.
Title: Re: David P's Road Case
Post by: sairfingers on December 16, 2020, 10:35:25 am
Thank for that in depth update David, I found it very interesting and on a personal level very reassuring. Many of your sentiments, thoughts and conclusions are exactly like mine and as I read them I was thinking “that’s me, I could have written this”.

There is no doubt in my mind that without the sharing of ideas, advice and experiences on this forum, my online guitar learning journey would have stuttered and maybe ground to a halt. Especially this year when the opportunity to share things with others has been almost nonexistent.
Title: Re: David P's Road Case
Post by: Majik on December 16, 2020, 01:20:20 pm
Great update David. I love the energy you throw into learning and playing the guitar and stretching yourself.

Cheers,

Keith
Title: Re: David P's Road Case
Post by: Twin Six on December 16, 2020, 09:00:06 pm
Thanks, David, for that comprehensive quick index. I've just read your 4 keys and have listened to your House of the Rising Sun from years ago. Bravo! Well done, and thanks for the inspiration.
Title: Re: David P's Road Case
Post by: frito on December 16, 2020, 10:40:55 pm
Great read David.  thanks for the update.  I think you are going through what many go through and is totally normal.  In the early days, the progress seems so much faster and easily recognizable.  As one begins to master skills, which you most definitely have, the improvements become more incremental and take longer to achieve.  I run into this myself and know how frustrating it can become.  That being said, keep on keeping on man!  You are an inspiration to all of us on the forum and we enjoy following your journey. 

I need to go back and search for some of the finger style resonator tunes you mention.  While I don't own a resonator, that is part of my long game.  Once I feel I can get to a point where I can justify it, I'd like to get one so I can play both fingerstyle and slide on it..
Title: Re: David P's Road Case
Post by: adi_mrok on December 16, 2020, 10:59:51 pm
That is what I call a solid roadcase, what a great post which I hope many of those who are starting the journey will encounter and learn from your past experiences. It seems you are really enjoying yourself which is a point after all isn't it? Hope you continue to make most of it and to record as many videos as you can and share with all of us :)

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Title: Re: David P's Road Case
Post by: batwoman on December 17, 2020, 12:31:46 am
You are such a slacker David  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: David P's Road Case
Post by: CT on December 17, 2020, 12:51:39 am
Really good update, DP. You have put forth some very nice tracks, and you serve as a North star for many of us, both as a human being and a guitar player. That said, I'm looking forward to new music and experimentation from you in the coming year. More good things to come I'm sure.
Title: Re: David P's Road Case
Post by: DavidP on December 17, 2020, 04:53:51 am
Richard, Jason, Gordon, Keith, Twin Six, Joe, Adrian, Maggie, Clint :-

Thank you all for reading, the affirmations, the encouragement - it is such a big part of my overall process.

I am a blend of introvert and extrovert, so this community is an essential source of energy for me. For some reason, I know not why, I have always struggled with a measure of self-doubt. I have worked on that over the last few years and progress in learning and doing things I thought were beyond me, with your support, as helped me to overcome that.

The RC helps me remember the gain so as not to be frustrated or down on myself at the road ahead, that never-ending road with its twists and turns, ups and downs, and mysteries yet discovered. Also if it helps others here in any way to stay motivated and persist, then the time taken is all the more worthwhile.

I need to go back and search for some of the finger style resonator tunes you mention.  While I don't own a resonator, that is part of my long game.  Once I feel I can get to a point where I can justify it, I'd like to get one so I can play both fingerstyle and slide on it.

You and me both, Joe ;) Here's a link to that video (there is only one piece, so far): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ghunT4Mqqfk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ghunT4Mqqfk)

You are such a slacker David  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

LMAO

Classic Maggie  ;D

Title: Re: David P's Road Case
Post by: RC23 on December 17, 2020, 06:32:15 am
Great read David, thanks for the update.

I do find your progress reports very interesting and inspiring.

Rod.
Title: Re: David P's Road Case
Post by: frito on December 17, 2020, 12:43:12 pm
For some reason, I know not why, I have always struggled with a measure of self-doubt. I have worked on that over the last few years and progress in learning and doing things I thought were beyond me, with your support, as helped me to overcome that.

You and me both, Joe ;) Here's a link to that video (there is only one piece, so far): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ghunT4Mqqfk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ghunT4Mqqfk)

You are not alone on that front.  It often takes me a long time to actually get started on projects and such due to self doubt.  I am happy you are progressing on that front.  The recording was great.  I look forward to hearing more music coming from that beautiful resonator.  Oh, and the fedora is such the perfect accompaniment for that tune. 👍
Title: Re: David P's Road Case
Post by: DavidP on December 19, 2020, 08:12:22 am
Great read David, thanks for the update.

I do find your progress reports very interesting and inspiring.

Rod.

Thanks for reading and the comment, Rod, glad you get some value from the lengthy time spent in the reading.

You are not alone on that front.  It often takes me a long time to actually get started on projects and such due to self doubt.  I am happy you are progressing on that front.  The recording was great.  I look forward to hearing more music coming from that beautiful resonator.  Oh, and the fedora is such the perfect accompaniment for that tune. 👍

Joe, I think inexorable describes my progress ... it is slow but certain.

Thinking about this, I suspect if we could measure our rate of learning mine would turn out to be slow and then I don't spend many hours per day every day. Put the two together, and like equations of motion show us, it will take many months for me to develop my play-grade. And while I struggle to come to terms with that state of affairs sometimes, mostly I progress in my own way happily.

As for the hat ... it was a gift from my wife and son. It is now part of my look ... goodness that sounds a little at odds with where I am as a performer. I like it because it hides all the frowns of concentration when performing that add cringe-factor to when I watch myself. And an added bonus that it does suit the bluesy "troubadour" image that I'd like to live up to.
Title: Re: David P's Road Case
Post by: glpguitar on December 19, 2020, 11:39:28 am
Congratulations on 4 years David! As always, it was a great read. Keep rockin' mate 8)!
Title: Re: David P's Road Case
Post by: OpsRes on December 19, 2020, 12:23:26 pm
Hey David,
Great to read another of your updates. Also, I'd like to say thanks for being a bit of a touch stone for many of us.
We see your progress and what you have contributed to the forum is impressive. Hear you describe going through similar experiences and emotions that I've been going through, gives me hope that I'm not the only one. So thank you and keep the posts coming.
Wish you and your all the best of the season,
Glen
Title: Re: David P's Road Case
Post by: R.F.W. on December 19, 2020, 01:11:57 pm
David, 

It's been a pleasure and an inspiration to read your roadcase.

Since I restated my learning following the BC at grade 2 and decided to learn 2 songs at each stage before progressing. It was good to read that your approach was similar through the BC and steady progress can be made. After all its not a sprint to finish the course, but about enjoying the experience and cementing the knowledge learnt.





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Title: Re: David P's Road Case
Post by: sdd56 on December 19, 2020, 09:05:56 pm
An interesting read as usual David.

I note you often mention self doubt and perceived lack of progress, all I will say is that you started at about the same time as me, and you are now streets ahead of me!
Title: Re: David P's Road Case
Post by: DavidP on December 20, 2020, 07:20:21 am
glp, Glen, RFW, sdd,

I appreciate the reading and replies, the encouragement, and your appreciation for me sharing my story.

I guess we are all that mixture of aspiration, satisfaction, and doubts as we progress. And I'm gratified if my story in any way helps you as you progress.

Keep on keeping on  8)
Title: Re: David P's Road Case
Post by: embishop on December 24, 2020, 04:06:22 am
4 years on the JG Forum, and you really are an All Time Legend! :) Chasing a more gentle trajectory than a BHAG is working out very well for you, you're a fine musician, David. Here's to 2021, continuing the journey, continuing to inspire and be inspired.

Mari
Title: Re: David P's Road Case
Post by: DavidP on December 24, 2020, 04:11:52 am
4 years on the JG Forum, and you really are an All Time Legend! :) Chasing a more gentle trajectory than a BHAG is working out very well for you, you're a fine musician, David. Here's to 2021, continuing the journey, continuing to inspire and be inspired.

Mari

Thank you so much, Mari, what a wonderful wish.
Title: Re: David P's Road Case
Post by: DavidP on February 13, 2021, 08:13:11 am
#22 Funny how it goes, just going as it flows

In wrapping up my 4th JGversary post I looked ahead and then plan was summed up as:

I look forward to continuing to play and sing, work on my finger-style and blues playing, produce more original songs, and maybe some opportunities to collaborate and produce some songs with folk here will present (I do enjoy the mixing and mastering).

And all went according to plan for the next couple of weeks. I keep working on a few songs, towards another episode of Songs From The Playroom, and focused finger-style learning on a simple (but still a stretch) arrangement of Deck The Halls (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8WxZIyE4smA&t=27s) to be entered in the JustinGuitar Forum Festive Season contest.

I duly entered with an as-good-as-I-could-learn-in-the-timebox performance. The contest was a success in terms of the quality of the entries, be it my best effort or the pro-quality entry that ultimately won but a disappointment in terms of the number of entries. Something for Justin's team to think about for next time.

The limited number of entries played into my hands: I received an honourable mention and a reward for entering, viz. a Guitar Pro 7.5 license.

And then the unexpected happened ...

A number of folk here have encouraged me to work on my singing, that it has potential. My brother had begun to tell me in response to my last couple of recordings that he thought I was starting to sound like somebody starting to learn to sing, to become that Neil Young-esque singer-songwriter, rather than somebody growing as a guitar player and singing along for the sake of the song. I'd begun to try a little Doh Ray Me over the major scale as part of my guitar time.

And then I got an email offering me a discounted price on Chris Liepe's Discover Your Voice course. At the same time a few Forum Friends had signed up. A case of that old adage "when the student is ready, the teacher will arrive" playing out.

So I signed up and began the course. This Forum is all about guitar, our learning, our support of each other as we study as students of Justin, so I will not expound on the course. In fact my initial thoughts had been to keep quiet and one day, when I am ready, to return to AVOYP, a better (hoping with confidence and optimism) singer ... much to your great surprise.

Then I got to thinking some of you may be wondering why I am not recording and sharing, what is going on, so have opted to share now.

For the same reason, I decided to delay re-mixing my original David's Summer Songet, until I have completed the course. The vocal never quite worked. I mashed up the lyrics to be able to sing over the chords and the poem no longer scanned, the melody was a little monotone. I hope in due course that I can tweak those lyrics and produce a far better vocal performance. It may still end up as an idea that never quite works, but should be a better rendition.

The same goes for the originals I was starting to work on.

From a finger-style perspective, I'd been reminded on Justin Johnson's (Richard/Lieven, I think this is OK but sensitive to focus of the Forum, so you can delete the reference if not appropriate) simple finger drills to help develop control and dexterity of the right-hand fingers. When learning Deck the Halls my right pinky, which serves as an anchor, started to feel some stress during the longer sustained practicing. So I have started every music session doing the drills without the anchor. I think eventually anchoring my hand position by using the forearm on the guitar body will allow for smoother blending of fingerpicking and strumming ... we'll see.

About this time, Maggie aka Batwoman started a conversation about rhythm. Cut a long story short, it felt like the right time to refocus on strumming. I acquired the Strumming Techniques programme and have begun to refresh 1/8 note strumming, to work again on foot-tapping, with the intention to now turn my attention to 1/16 note strumming. We'll see how that goes.

So I feel I have gone off to a proverbial mountain retreat, to focus for a while on some learning, without a drive to learn, rehearse, and perform songs. I have a couple I am playing as part of guitar time, for fun and to apply learning, both playing and singing, so I'll be ready to record songs in due course.

And the day I made that decision another opportunity presented. And funny how it goes, having Guitar Pro was such a benefit in working on this project. And when a great opportunity presents, you just gotta go with the flow. Will say nothing more about this for now ... good to leave a little unsaid to create some tension that will resolve when all is revealed  ;)

Funny how it goes, but I'll go with the flow and see what happens, enjoying the adventure, and confident that I can only continue to improve as I apply myself the tortoise way ... slow and steady.

My YouTube Channel (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCG2X_TlNs7agW-U0EBCDdbw)

Gear

Guitars: Fender Paramount PM-1 Deluxe | Honer Resonator | Epiphone LP Standard Pro | Celebrity CC67 (Nashville strung)
Amp: Blackstar ID15:TVP
Pedals: TC Helicon Play Acoustic
Mics: Samson CO3 | AKG D5 | Shure 545SD Unidyne III
AI: Focusrite Scarlet 2i2
Software Tools: Reaper | Guitar Pro
 
My Original Songs

No Regrets (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pdpo2v0YYvA)
Voices of Vincent Blue Beast (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6tL_xXB1nQU)
Free (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mTB2gwCuJfk)
Two To Midnight (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ktFaUm2X6dM)
David’s Summer Songet (https://soundcloud.com/david-preece-24770685/davids-summer-songet-20190427)
Dear Johnny Blues (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yII_bC3mCc)
Song For Lesley (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9NCKNbm0eNQ)

RC Index

Here are links to my RC updates, from latest to first. Some of the posts include links to recordings that were shared on SoundCloud, which have been deleted to make space.

#21 My 4th JGversary (https://justinguitarcommunity.com/index.php?topic=41958.msg436945#msg436945)
#20 5000th Forum post and 4 keys to learning (https://justinguitarcommunity.com/index.php?topic=41958.msg418388#msg418388)
#19 My 3rd JGversary (https://justinguitarcommunity.com/index.php?topic=41958.msg412333#msg412333)
#18 First Open Mic and setting up the music room (https://justinguitarcommunity.com/index.php?topic=41958.msg408299#msg408299)
#17 My 2nd JGversary (https://justinguitarcommunity.com/index.php?topic=41958.msg395821#msg395821)
#16 First live performance (https://justinguitarcommunity.com/index.php?topic=41958.msg395343#msg395343)
#15 First two originals and winning the Forum Contest (https://justinguitarcommunity.com/index.php?topic=41958.msg392745#msg392745)
#14 18 month update (https://justinguitarcommunity.com/index.php?topic=41958.msg387129#msg387129)
#13 My 1st JGversary (https://justinguitarcommunity.com/index.php?topic=41958.msg374843#msg374843)
#12 Going beyond my dreams (https://justinguitarcommunity.com/index.php?topic=41958.msg372813#msg372813)
#11 September songs and success (https://justinguitarcommunity.com/index.php?topic=41958.msg370936#msg370936)
#10 RC up to date, 8.5 month reflection (https://justinguitarcommunity.com/index.php?topic=41958.msg367334#msg367334)
#9 A severe attack of GAS (https://justinguitarcommunity.com/index.php?topic=41958.msg367332#msg367332)
#8 It’s not a linear journey (https://justinguitarcommunity.com/index.php?topic=41958.msg367304#msg367304)
#7 Consolidation, Forum Contest, and BC Stage 4 (https://justinguitarcommunity.com/index.php?topic=41958.msg367171#msg367171)
#6 The onset of GAS (https://justinguitarcommunity.com/index.php?topic=41958.msg367161#msg367161)
#5 Joining the Community and my first recording (https://justinguitarcommunity.com/index.php?topic=41958.msg367108#msg367108)s
#4 Playing where other people were around (https://justinguitarcommunity.com/index.php?topic=41958.msg366739#msg366739)
#3 Beginning Justin’s BC (https://justinguitarcommunity.com/index.php?topic=41958.msg366228#msg366228)
#2 Starting the guitar adventure (https://justinguitarcommunity.com/index.php?topic=41958.msg365944#msg365944)
#1 Discovering a love of music (https://justinguitarcommunity.com/index.php?topic=41958.msg365758#msg365758)



Title: Re: David P's Road Case
Post by: close2u on February 13, 2021, 08:34:49 am
You always manage to capture your progress, aims and sense of where you are so well David. :)
Title: Re: David P's Road Case
Post by: tobyjenner on February 13, 2021, 10:53:25 am
David

I can't believe I missed your update back in December, man it makes a great read and is testimony to your progress. Like Roscco/Jason said at the time I can see the similarities, for me it was after the IM. I would lay out my BHAG with all good intentions, then a song learning project would crop up or a collaboration invite would arrive and all bets were off. So you are not the only one. Like you I have decided to get more focused in that respect this year. We just need the discipline.

And I can't wait for you to come down the mountain grasshopper. Those RUST lessons will serve you well and perhaps widen your song choice. As a fellow Liepe student I know you will also come back with better stronger vocals.

So try and remain on point and focused (that's the hardest thing) and work your way through each set of skills. Can't way to see the end result.............but its never the end is it. A new chapter will open and like the rest of us you'll be off down another rabbit hole but these are the ones with the buried treasure.  ;)

Be safe and well, take care.

Cheers

Toby
 8)
Title: Re: David P's Road Case
Post by: sairfingers on February 13, 2021, 11:13:28 am
Another great read David. I look forward to you emerging from your ‘sabbatical’ back onto AVoYP with tweaked vocal chords and picking skills.

“.....good to leave a little unsaid to create some tension that will resolve when all is revealed”. I can’t wait!
Title: Re: David P's Road Case
Post by: adi_mrok on February 13, 2021, 01:26:47 pm
Great stuff David that you have a strong sense of what you want to achieve and you firmly step right into upcoming challenges with your head held high. Can't wait for your next video so I hope to hear what CL training did for you, I could already hear that it helped Toby so if you get a benefit of it too then it's a no brainer for me to follow it one day too! Meanwhile I wish you all the best in your learning process :)

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Title: Re: David P's Road Case
Post by: CT on February 13, 2021, 03:45:12 pm
I have a lot of respect for your planning and stick-to-it-ative-ness. My musical "things" are just what I call spinning plates, and at some point the plates either come into play or crash to the floor. It would be great to be this organized.

Looking at your guit list (specifically the resonator) reminds me that a little bit of GAS has kicked in. I'm looking at pulling the lever on a Rogue Resonator. They can be had here for $250 US. It's a minor GAS bubble at the moment, maybe the urge can be held in check by mucking around with slide. Anyway, onward and upward, and good luck with your plan!
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Title: Re: David P's Road Case
Post by: DavidP on February 14, 2021, 07:44:45 am
Richard, Toby, Gordon, Adrian, Clint:

Thanks for reading ... always good to know what is written has been read, even though I write it as much for me as for others.

And as I continue to repeat myself ... it is the interaction here in this Forum with Justin's programmes that is the difference that made the difference and enabled me to finally stick with the programme.

You always manage to capture your progress, aims and sense of where you are so well David. :)

Appreciate that. I think writing it down helps me to get my own thinking clear and focused. These posts usually get written after a period of thinking and reflecting over a number of days.

And the power of "putting it out there" can't be under-estimated.

David

I can't believe I missed your update back in December, man it makes a great read and is testimony to your progress. Like Roscco/Jason said at the time I can see the similarities, for me it was after the IM. I would lay out my BHAG with all good intentions, then a song learning project would crop up or a collaboration invite would arrive and all bets were off. So you are not the only one. Like you I have decided to get more focused in that respect this year. We just need the discipline.

And I can't wait for you to come down the mountain grasshopper. Those RUST lessons will serve you well and perhaps widen your song choice. As a fellow Liepe student I know you will also come back with better stronger vocals.

So try and remain on point and focused (that's the hardest thing) and work your way through each set of skills. Can't way to see the end result.............but its never the end is it. A new chapter will open and like the rest of us you'll be off down another rabbit hole but these are the ones with the buried treasure.  ;)

Be safe and well, take care.

Cheers

Toby
 8)

Toby, I guess the thing with me is that I actually never set those BHAGs at all. I have determined a path and then slow and steady walk the road. It does help me to declare that path in public.

I am reasonably disciplined, and perhaps because I feel no pressure to reach any particular BHAG, rather just happily enjoy the adventure day-by-day, I don't get all intense about my routine, just go with the flow.

Great stuff David that you have a strong sense of what you want to achieve and you firmly step right into upcoming challenges with your head held high. Can't wait for your next video so I hope to hear what CL training did for you, I could already hear that it helped Toby so if you get a benefit of it too then it's a no brainer for me to follow it one day too! Meanwhile I wish you all the best in your learning process :)

Adrian, I can already testify that the Chris Liepe course is working for me. I could probably already record songs and the improvement would be audible. Just busy with other things, so that'll wait. But I can share that yesterday after practice I was flipping through my flipfile of songs and stopped on Ruby Tuesday. And the chorus that previous was physically tiring, that left me breathless, could be sung relaxed, without effort.  And that is as a result of the gains made during the first third of the course. Look it works for me and everybody is different but based on my experience I'd say it is like Justin's BC for my singing and worth a look when you are ready.

Another great read David. I look forward to you emerging from your ‘sabbatical’ back onto AVoYP with tweaked vocal chords and picking skills.

“.....good to leave a little unsaid to create some tension that will resolve when all is revealed”. I can’t wait!

 ;D Just may take a while ... pace of the project is my usual tortoise pace  8)

I have a lot of respect for your planning and stick-to-it-ative-ness. My musical "things" are just what I call spinning plates, and at some point the plates either come into play or crash to the floor. It would be great to be this organized.

Looking at your guit list (specifically the resonator) reminds me that a little bit of GAS has kicked in. I'm looking at pulling the lever on a Rogue Resonator. They can be had here for $250 US. It's a minor GAS bubble at the moment, maybe the urge can be held in check by mucking around with slide. Anyway, onward and upward, and good luck with your plan!

Thanks Clint.

I love the plate spinning metaphor. I guess my approach is to start spinning some plates but to keep it to just a few. Then slow and steady, enjoy the journey rather than obsess about the destination. But once I have started the plates spinning then I just go with the flow and am not one who takes notes, records metrics, is drawn to the Practice App. Some days I get into bed and it dawns on me that I forgot to practice some things I intended to practice when practicing.  So it is a gentle meandering walk down the road, while trying to avoid tempting sideroads.

Resonator looks great. Look forward to hearing you mucking around with a slide and exploring some bluesy rock.  And if you pick up that resonator, I reckon you'd deliver an ace rendition of Romea and Juliet!
Title: Re: David P's Road Case
Post by: brianlarsen on February 14, 2021, 03:53:02 pm
Always read your rc, David- even if I don't get round to commenting.
Hats off for discipline/organisation.
Long after you're gone, moderators in the future will have this thread pinned to the top of the Beginner's Board as to how to make the best use of the site/forum  ;)
Meanwhile- get back to playin'!
Title: Re: David P's Road Case
Post by: DavidP on February 15, 2021, 08:17:54 am
Always read your rc, David- even if I don't get round to commenting.
Hats off for discipline/organisation.
Long after you're gone, moderators in the future will have this thread pinned to the top of the Beginner's Board as to how to make the best use of the site/forum  ;)
Meanwhile- get back to playin'!

Thank you, Brian, appreciate the comment.

As for playing ... rest assured, plenty playing and practicing happening, but recording ... that's on hold for the moment. The moment will come when I decide "today's the day" and as is my way, I have no plan and set date, no deadline. It will just happen exactly when it is meant to happen ... like a wizard's arrival ... and hopfully there'll be some magic and fireworks.
Title: Re: David P's Road Case
Post by: brianlarsen on February 15, 2021, 09:34:49 am
It will just happen exactly when it is meant to happen ... like a wizard's arrival ... and hopfully there'll be some magic and fireworks
I look forward to the transformation of David the Grey into David the White... LOL/LOTR  :)
Title: Re: David P's Road Case
Post by: DavidP on February 15, 2021, 09:38:00 am
I look forward to the transformation of David the Grey into David the White... LOL/LOTR  :)

LOL maybe David the Brown more appropriate  ;D
Title: Re: David P's Road Case
Post by: Rossco01 on February 15, 2021, 10:24:46 am
Always good to read David and I admire your structured approach. I'm certainly nowhere as near structured...although I feel I'm still learning and improving so I'm not too worried at the moment AND I already allocate a lot of time to guitar so can't really squeeze any more in without impacting other things I like or need to do!

I'll be tracking your progress on the vox course....it's peaked my interest and I did take a quick look when Toby posted. I've never done any proper vox training but as with everything it would be interesting to see what it would add. I will take a look at the free intro lessons I think.
Title: Re: David P's Road Case
Post by: DavidP on February 15, 2021, 01:59:14 pm
Always good to read David and I admire your structured approach. I'm certainly nowhere as near structured...although I feel I'm still learning and improving so I'm not too worried at the moment AND I already allocate a lot of time to guitar so can't really squeeze any more in without impacting other things I like or need to do!

I'll be tracking your progress on the vox course....it's peaked my interest and I did take a quick look when Toby posted. I've never done any proper vox training but as with everything it would be interesting to see what it would add. I will take a look at the free intro lessons I think.

Thanks very much, Jason, appreciate your support and comments.

I think my approach was pretty similar to yours, for the last while mostly focused on learning by playing songs ... what we can call BC Consolidation to sound structured  ;)

Your vocals seem to be coming on well, again by performing songs. I figured I could do with a little more structure on that one. And as I said in my reply to Adrian, I can see some improvement having completed the first third. So certainly proving to be a worthwhile investment in time and money (about $90 when I signed up). The free course will give you a sample of some of what is covered in the first few weeks. 
Title: Re: David P's Road Case
Post by: pkboo3 on February 15, 2021, 05:59:10 pm
BHAG!  LOL!  So how do you pronounce that Acronym?  Hehe! 

I notice you mentioned the Practice App. I took to it pretty well myself. I’m one who has to take notes also.

But anyway, I finally got around to reading your last two RC entries. Another interesting read. Your path is steadily heading in the right direction. Your decision to take the singing lessons is really inspiring to me and, I notice to others. 

You are an admirable mentor, I expect, to several people.




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Title: Re: David P's Road Case
Post by: LBro on February 15, 2021, 07:34:11 pm
Keep up the good work in word, play and vox. Creating in song is a life long endeavor and one you are steadily improving upon. Looking forward to you 1st open mic as I feel it will be well received! Never hurts to work on the vox and up the skillset there.

All the best,
LB
Title: Re: David P's Road Case
Post by: markd85 on February 15, 2021, 11:09:26 pm
Hi David
Totally understand about taking a break from recording....but I do miss it!  :)
Mark
Title: Re: David P's Road Case
Post by: DavidP on February 16, 2021, 03:41:25 pm
BHAG!  LOL!  So how do you pronounce that Acronym?  Hehe! 

I notice you mentioned the Practice App. I took to it pretty well myself. I’m one who has to take notes also.

But anyway, I finally got around to reading your last two RC entries. Another interesting read. Your path is steadily heading in the right direction. Your decision to take the singing lessons is really inspiring to me and, I notice to others. 

You are an admirable mentor, I expect, to several people.

LOL ... BHAG pronounced Be-hag.

I am glad if sharing some of my activities is inspiring or encouraging. I think we can all do with the Forum's encouragement ... learning guitar on your lonesome is a tough nut to crack for most folk, I think.

Very generous and touched by your comment about me being a mentor.

Keep up the good work in word, play and vox. Creating in song is a life long endeavor and one you are steadily improving upon. Looking forward to you 1st open mic as I feel it will be well received! Never hurts to work on the vox and up the skillset there.

All the best,
LB

Thanks for the encouragement and all the support, LBro ... you've helped me so much with suggestions and pointers.

Now I shouldn't be setting up the expectations too much, always better to under-promise and over-deliver. But yes, I am hoping that the next Open Mic will be well received with recognition of improvement made ove the time away.

Hi David
Totally understand about taking a break from recording....but I do miss it!  :)
Mark

Thank you, Mark, very generous to be missing my efforts. Luckily there are many others sharing so plenty to listen to, enjoy, and take inspiration from.
Title: Re: David P's Road Case
Post by: embishop on February 22, 2021, 10:58:21 pm
David, I so admire your easy going way of going with the guitar flow and making huge strides in musicianship without the stress of a set timeframe for achieving goals. You clearly have a disciplined and structured approach to learning without getting bogged down in, well, everything! I could definitely learn something here ...

And of course you’ve piqued my interest for what’s going on, so now will look forward to the big reveal!

And good on you for expanding your interests into vocals. You have a lot of promise there I think. 😀
Title: Re: David P's Road Case
Post by: DavidP on February 23, 2021, 05:45:35 am
David, I so admire your easy going way of going with the guitar flow and making huge strides in musicianship without the stress of a set timeframe for achieving goals. You clearly have a disciplined and structured approach to learning without getting bogged down in, well, everything! I could definitely learn something here ...

And of course you’ve piqued my interest for what’s going on, so now will look forward to the big reveal!

And good on you for expanding your interests into vocals. You have a lot of promise there I think. 😀

Thanks for the encouraging and generous comments, Mari.

I think I am good when it comes to direction and focus, Like most I could be more disciplined and sticking to the plan in terms of regular practice, I maybe take the keeping it stress/pressure free a little too far.

But hey, it's a hobby ... so enjoying it and never feeling like it is a burden to practice is important for me.

The process of exploring, discovering, and developing vocals is proving to be fun. Hoping that the end results are technically better singing and a pleasing sounding voice.
Title: Re: David P's Road Case
Post by: sairfingers on February 23, 2021, 09:21:58 am
But hey, it's a hobby ... so enjoying it and never feeling like it is a burden to practice is important for me.
I’m with you there David. I often read others’ posts about their routines, 5 minutes of this, 5 minutes of that, 5 minutes of the next thing, 15 minutes playing songs etc etc. and think “I should be more structured like that”.

Of course I have goals, the main one being to improve and perhaps my improvement would be faster if I had a more structured approach. Justin completely advocates the structured approach with all sorts of print outs and apps and such. As a teacher he has to.
 
I followed the BC carefully and am doing the same with the intermediate course and of course practise what I’m currently learning.
Beyond that, I tend to think more along the lines of “what will I practise today. What have I not done for a while”.

Horses for courses.
Title: Re: David P's Road Case
Post by: tobyjenner on February 23, 2021, 10:17:44 am
Gordon

If folk are like me those 5 minutes are rarely stuck to unless you are using a timer, which I gave up on long ago. So personally I will frequently over run on this or spend a little less time on that. Some days I'll spend longer but alternate, say my Blues Lead and Rhythm 10 minutes slots may become 15-20 every other day.

But and here's the main reason ! When my missus complains I've been hiding away playing for hours, I just point to my practice schedule and say, can't have look its only an hour of practice !!  ;)
Having a plan is one thing sticking to it is another. ;D

Cheers

Toby
 8)
Title: Re: David P's Road Case
Post by: DavidP on February 23, 2021, 10:41:59 am
I’m with you there David. I often read others’ posts about their routines, 5 minutes of this, 5 minutes of that, 5 minutes of the next thing, 15 minutes playing songs etc etc. and think “I should be more structured like that”.

Of course I have goals, the main one being to improve and perhaps my improvement would be faster if I had a more structured approach. Justin completely advocates the structured approach with all sorts of print outs and apps and such. As a teacher he has to.
 
I followed the BC carefully and am doing the same with the intermediate course and of course practise what I’m currently learning.
Beyond that, I tend to think more along the lines of “what will I practise today. What have I not done for a while”.

Horses for courses.

I think I have been mostly like your approach, Gordon. Certainly don't keep records and spreadsheets etc.

Just of late have become a bit more structured and have a specific routine. Will see how long that lasts, if it works well for me.
Title: Re: David P's Road Case
Post by: DavidP on February 23, 2021, 10:43:38 am
But and here's the main reason ! When my missus complains I've been hiding away playing for hours, I just point to my practice schedule and say, can't have look its only an hour of practice !!  ;)

LOL
Title: Re: David P's Road Case
Post by: JustMe123456 on February 24, 2021, 08:33:10 am
But hey, it's a hobby ... so enjoying it and never feeling like it is a burden to practice is important for me.

Exactly. Keep playing, have fun with it. Become a bit frustrated when things don't seem to work, pick yourself and the guitar back up and move on with it. Perhaps an easy goal could be: I want to be the best player I can become by practicing at least one hour a day.

Or if you want to be even more specific: I want to be the best blues/rock player I can become by practicing at least one hour a day.

Anything you do can work towards that. The 5 minutes of this, 5 minutes of that would make it almost like a job for me.
Title: Re: David P's Road Case
Post by: DavidP on February 24, 2021, 10:34:08 am
Exactly. Keep playing, have fun with it. Become a bit frustrated when things don't seem to work, pick yourself and the guitar back up and move on with it. Perhaps an easy goal could be: I want to be the best player I can become by practicing at least one hour a day.

Or if you want to be even more specific: I want to be the best blues/rock player I can become by practicing at least one hour a day.

Anything you do can work towards that. The 5 minutes of this, 5 minutes of that would make it almost like a job for me.

And my goal is just to keep becoming a better musician as time goes by.  I don't set myself any expectation as to how frequent and for how long I will practice vs play or record, or mix.

The time scheduling works for some, not for others. I think crux is to be deliberate and observant about practice.
Title: Re: David P's Road Case
Post by: DarrellW on February 24, 2021, 10:45:39 am
The time scheduling works for some, not for others. I think crux is to be deliberate and observant about practice.
Absolutely, you should never push yourself to doing something that is a hobby, it can get to become a chore that’s no longer fun to do. Hobbies are about enjoying yourself not pushing yourself to do something that you’re either not in the mood for or have other problems.
Title: Re: David P's Road Case
Post by: Lord_Gigabyte on February 24, 2021, 10:49:31 am
Exactly!
I think you hit the nail on the head there.
It's about having fun with what you're doing. Not because you "have to". (That's where i strayed from the path)
Title: Re: David P's Road Case
Post by: DavidP on February 24, 2021, 11:57:16 am
Good to be having a useful conversation as part of a RC. Amplifies how valuable an RC can be for one's own learning as well as others who are following along.
Title: Re: David P's Road Case
Post by: Barend on February 24, 2021, 05:10:44 pm
Hi David.

Only listened to Deck the Halls now. It was very enjoyable.

Doen so voort ou maat! Trots op jou.

I have toyed with the idea of doing a vocal course since the guitar practice needs to be scaled down.  Now I will give it more careful consideration.

Keep well.




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Title: Re: David P's Road Case
Post by: DavidP on February 25, 2021, 05:51:52 am
Hi David.

Only listened to Deck the Halls now. It was very enjoyable.

Doen so voort ou maat! Trots op jou.

I have toyed with the idea of doing a vocal course since the guitar practice needs to be scaled down.  Now I will give it more careful consideration.

Keep well.

Thanks very much, Barend, appreciate the comments. It was an enjoyable project and good for continuing to try and gain control of the fingers of both hands.

I at about the halfway mark on the Liepe course and so far so good, feeling the difference, and enjoying the way he presents and engages with his students. I guess there are other online options and maybe lockdown has eased enough to consider face-face. Look forward to hearing how that plays out yourside.
Title: Re: David P's Road Case
Post by: DavidP on May 23, 2021, 05:44:55 pm
#23 About the 3Ps: Practicing Playing Performing

Over the last few months I have spent more time practicing, a little less time playing, and a lot less time performing. After releasing episode 4 of Songs from the Playroom, wanting to have a record of me performing a few of the songs played live at the Forum events, I was thinking about the 3Ps so thought I'd share.

Firstly, to be clear on what I mean by the terms:

- Practicing: working on drills and exercises to improve skills and develop technique
- Playing: learning and rehearsing songs. I suppose there is an element of practice in learning a new song but for me it is more about applying practiced techniques.
- Performing: playing for an audience, either live or recorded and shared. The proof is in the pudding as they say. Performing may not be for all. Nothing wrong in just playing for yourself.

I'd slipped into the habit of just playing and performing (or producing originals, to add another "P"). I feel that getting back into a more disciplined routine of practice has paid dividends. I've focused on a few things and not surprisingly I feel it shows in the performance. And some of that may be in how I feel when the moment to perform comes.

I have personally come along way in dealing with that inner critique, the voice that puts me down. A little healthy self-deprecation is fine but that inner critical voice really doesn't help me. It is not the same voice that encourages me to strive to learn, to improve, to not be complacent with where I'm at or become overly satisfied when accepting positive feedback and compliments.

I have pondered the matters of self-belief and self-confidence over many years, struggling to come to terms with my own doubts.

At the present I'd suggest that it is practice and playing, but especially practice, the fuels self-belief. The belief that I am ready to perform.

And it is performing that builds self-confidence. Confidence grows when one overcomes the fears and anxieties that come with stepping up and being vulnerable and steps up.

Hence I would encourage people to begin to record and share early in their learning journey. It is a progression from the first steps that may be sharing practice routines to form, strum, and change chords, to playing songs perhaps with the aid of the app, to playing without that aid, to performing live at a Forum OM.

We are so fortunate to have these opportunities. To have a safe and supportive community to offer encouragement, answer questions, point out issues that we might not be aware of.  As I've said before feedback is a key to learning.

And learning to accept feedback is an essential skill. I find feedback comes in three flavours:

- Feedback that makes sense to me and that I can apply and act on
- Feedback that makes sense but is pitched just a little too far beyond what one is working on and able to act upon
- Feedback that you don't relate to and one needs to learn to let that go

I always assume that all feedback was given with positive intent, so don't get upset by feedback. Needless to say that is sometimes easier said that done.

And to this aspect of errors.  As Richard rightly said, we should not be setting perfect or error-free as a goal. It may happen, hasn't yet for me, that one delivers an error-free performance. But as I am very much learning and developing as I go, continually stretching, such a performance would be a positive outlier.

I am no mathematician or statistician, so take this as such.

My performances of a song over time will tend to vary in quality and form some kind of normal-like distribution. I'll have an average number of errors per song.  Some performance may be better, some may worse.  Over time, as I improve and the songs don't increase in difficulty then the average number of errors decreases and the negative outliers less frequent and extreme. I've noticed this as I continue to perform. Knowing this helps me to deal with an error when I make one and just keep playing ... an error know longer triggers that immediate inner voice of criticism.

As I share this I think I've also largely eliminated that habit of the positive inner voice offering that "encouragement" ... "almost there, keep it going, don't mess it up".

Note this is conceptual. I don't make a note and record the number of errors, the nature of the errors etc. That is not my nature. I am not a stats keeper, far more intuitive and in the flow, following a structured approach.

So the combination of upping my practice to balance my time between practicing and playing in a session plus working on the way I think and feel about playing and performing, seems to be paying-off for me. 

Would love to hear your thoughts, what things you may be doing to enable both learning, enjoyment, and satisfaction.

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Gear

Guitars: Fender Paramount PM-1 Deluxe | Honer Resonator | Epiphone LP Standard Pro | Celebrity CC67 (Nashville strung)
Amp: Blackstar ID15:TVP
Pedals: TC Helicon Play Acoustic
Mics: Samson CO3 | AKG D5 | Shure 545SD Unidyne III
AI: Focusrite Scarlet 2i2
Software Tools: Reaper | Guitar Pro
 
My Original Songs

No Regrets (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pdpo2v0YYvA)
Voices of Vincent Blue Beast (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6tL_xXB1nQU)
Free (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mTB2gwCuJfk)
Two To Midnight (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ktFaUm2X6dM)
David’s Summer Songet (https://soundcloud.com/david-preece-24770685/davids-summer-songet-20190427)
Dear Johnny Blues (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yII_bC3mCc)
Song For Lesley (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9NCKNbm0eNQ)

RC Index

Here are links to my RC updates, from latest to first. Some of the posts include links to recordings that were shared on SoundCloud, which have been deleted to make space.

#22 Funny how it goes, just going as it flows (https://justinguitarcommunity.com/index.php?topic=41958.msg443777#msg443777)
#21 My 4th JGversary (https://justinguitarcommunity.com/index.php?topic=41958.msg436945#msg436945)
#20 5000th Forum post and 4 keys to learning (https://justinguitarcommunity.com/index.php?topic=41958.msg418388#msg418388)
#19 My 3rd JGversary (https://justinguitarcommunity.com/index.php?topic=41958.msg412333#msg412333)
#18 First Open Mic and setting up the music room (https://justinguitarcommunity.com/index.php?topic=41958.msg408299#msg408299)
#17 My 2nd JGversary (https://justinguitarcommunity.com/index.php?topic=41958.msg395821#msg395821)
#16 First live performance (https://justinguitarcommunity.com/index.php?topic=41958.msg395343#msg395343)
#15 First two originals and winning the Forum Contest (https://justinguitarcommunity.com/index.php?topic=41958.msg392745#msg392745)
#14 18 month update (https://justinguitarcommunity.com/index.php?topic=41958.msg387129#msg387129)
#13 My 1st JGversary (https://justinguitarcommunity.com/index.php?topic=41958.msg374843#msg374843)
#12 Going beyond my dreams (https://justinguitarcommunity.com/index.php?topic=41958.msg372813#msg372813)
#11 September songs and success (https://justinguitarcommunity.com/index.php?topic=41958.msg370936#msg370936)
#10 RC up to date, 8.5 month reflection (https://justinguitarcommunity.com/index.php?topic=41958.msg367334#msg367334)
#9 A severe attack of GAS (https://justinguitarcommunity.com/index.php?topic=41958.msg367332#msg367332)
#8 It’s not a linear journey (https://justinguitarcommunity.com/index.php?topic=41958.msg367304#msg367304)
#7 Consolidation, Forum Contest, and BC Stage 4 (https://justinguitarcommunity.com/index.php?topic=41958.msg367171#msg367171)
#6 The onset of GAS (https://justinguitarcommunity.com/index.php?topic=41958.msg367161#msg367161)
#5 Joining the Community and my first recording (https://justinguitarcommunity.com/index.php?topic=41958.msg367108#msg367108)s
#4 Playing where other people were around (https://justinguitarcommunity.com/index.php?topic=41958.msg366739#msg366739)
#3 Beginning Justin’s BC (https://justinguitarcommunity.com/index.php?topic=41958.msg366228#msg366228)
#2 Starting the guitar adventure (https://justinguitarcommunity.com/index.php?topic=41958.msg365944#msg365944)
#1 Discovering a love of music (https://justinguitarcommunity.com/index.php?topic=41958.msg365758#msg365758)
Title: Re: David P's Road Case
Post by: tobyjenner on May 23, 2021, 06:34:18 pm
Great update David, I always thought there were 6 Ps but that equally applies here. As to your last question

Quote
Would love to hear your thoughts, what things you may be doing to enable both learning, enjoyment, and satisfaction.

Just keep playing. Simples.

Cheers

Toby
 8)
Title: Re: David P's Road Case
Post by: close2u on May 23, 2021, 07:07:04 pm
Always interesting, always food for thought, always questioning in a healthy manner and always offering positive and tasty nibbles for others to enjoy.
:)
Title: Re: David P's Road Case
Post by: embishop on May 23, 2021, 11:16:47 pm
Would love to hear your thoughts, what things you may be doing to enable both learning, enjoyment, and satisfaction.

Toby’s line works for me, Just keep playing. Simples.

I have to say though David that with your progress you’re going to be the poster boy for unstructured practice, as it’s clearly working. I myself have grand ambitions of structure and progress and then I fade away into well let’s just say less structure. Having fun though, and headed in a good direction. 😃
Title: Re: David P's Road Case
Post by: Alex6strings on May 23, 2021, 11:17:22 pm
Nicely put David.    You have a way with words mate!   Always a pleasure reading your thoughts.  Congrats on everything you've achieved so far, it's pretty amazing.  8)
.
For me enjoyment is the key.   If I'm not enjoying what I'm playing or learning then I'm not really playing or learning.   Keep it fresh and fun when it starts feeling like hard work and always challenge yourself.   I should try this. 8)
Title: Re: David P's Road Case
Post by: sairfingers on May 24, 2021, 10:30:21 am
Quote from David.
Would love to hear your thoughts, what things you may be doing to enable both learning, enjoyment, and satisfaction.


I’m afraid I can’t add any pearls of wisdom here as I am also a bit unstructured in my approach. No spreadsheets, online progress charts etc. I have more of a “what have I not done for a while” or “it’s time I tried something new” system.

Having said that, my system includes the hard copy of Justin’s Intermediate Course book. I refer to this a lot and then search out the relevant lesson video on the website either for revision or to learn something new. The book doesn’t match up with the new course but it easy enough to keep track of where you are and use a combination of old and new videos.

I did try the website practice assistant thing but gave that up as I was spending more time faffing around trying to input and create routines than anything else.

My goal is enjoyment and that’s what I get from learning and playing guitar (and of course from interacting with
all you other ‘forumites’). 😉
Title: Re: David P's Road Case
Post by: Twin Six on May 24, 2021, 07:02:33 pm
And to this aspect of errors ... an error no longer triggers that immediate inner voice of criticism.

Great insight here, David.

A friend who attained a stellar level of musicianship on their chosen instrument had the bad habit of stopping at each mistake during a practice session, exclaim "No!," and start again from the beginning. Their inner critic became an outward critic as well. I encouraged them to break that habit, but don't know if they ever did. It seemed to me only to reinforce the mistake.

Silently acknowledging a mistake and continuing to play through is a better approach, and is one aspect of what practice is about.
Title: Re: David P's Road Case
Post by: DavidP on May 26, 2021, 05:50:07 pm
Thanks to all of you who read, replied, and shared some thoughts.

We all have different approaches to how we learn. Clearly having a sense of direction and keeping things enjoyable works. And it all pays off when we can take up the guitar and make music be it for ourselves, family and friends (of course that inckudes Forum Friends) or performing for an audience,  such as busking or and Open Mic. I find great joy, satisfaction,  and contentment in that.

Now back to practice and learning the notes on the neck.
Title: Re: David P's Road Case
Post by: DavidP on September 24, 2021, 11:32:34 am
#24 Biennial (The SoundCloud Years)

This post is inspired by RC updates made by Gordon, Toby, and Richard. When I started this they were recent posts but it has taken me a while to get to post this.

For the sake of completeness I decided to reflect back on the recordings made and shared on SoundCloud, prior to making the switch from audio-only to videos to be hosted on YouTube.

Firstly, a little bit of fun. Good Vibes to all who can identify the reference in the post title. And to make it a little more fun, if you know then to earn your vibes you need to let me know in such a way that you provide others with a clue but not the answer directly.

Secondly, as I was putting this collection together, I dipped in and listened to the majority of the recordings. I can draw a few conclusions from this:

1) As a Forum you are all incredibly encouraging and supportive. The singing and production of some of these recordings were tough for me to listen to again. Yet, I only ever received encouraging and supportive comments. So folks, know with certainty that this is a safe place to post your recordings, whatever level of playing and singing (if you choose to sing) you have reached.

2) Following Justin’s courses, lesson by lesson, will lead to learning and improvement. It has been most encouraging to be able to go back and listen to recordings made four years ago. I urge you to make recordings early in your learning. We often forget how far we have come as we look ahead at all we are yet to learn. Your recording archive will remind you of that, which is priceless.

3) This is a Forum focused on learning to play guitar, but I have to say, I can now see how much investing similar time and effort into my singing has paid off. Just like learning to play, one can learn to sing, if you put your mind to learning. Yes, there are a super small percentage of people who may be “tone deaf”, the majority have just not yet schooled their voice and ear.

This collection is not complete. Fortunately the first two recordings are missing. They were made using Audacity and my laptop headset’s mic as the input. Why I did this rather than an audio recorder on my phone, I have no idea. The first was a single verse of Hallelujah, which I played in 4/4 rather than 6/8. The second was Walk the Line.

There are also a few recordings that I have re-released on YT so excluded them from this collection.

After struggling to make the first couple of recordings, I jumped in the deep-end and acquired an interface and microphone, downloaded a lite version of Ableton, and began recording by learning songs that related to the stage of the Beginner Course that I was in. By this stage I’d also treated myself to a 12-string. I never fell in love with it and eventually sold it after I bought my Fender 6-string.

I’ve thrown in comments every now and then, just when it made sense (to me) to do so.

Apologies for some of the double blank lines ... the editing and rendering seem at odds.

To be clear, I'm certainly not expecting people to listen through this lot. Maybe one or two based on songs that catch your eye or based on some comments. But honestly, there are but a few that I would say are somewhat enjoyable to listen to.

And so to the recordings ...

20170326 - The Beatles - Love Me Do (https://drive.google.com/file/d/14CW0lhSLRcej9c6nNIsN70TZtzM7zIVI/view?usp=sharing)
20170409 - Johnny Cash - Walk the Line (https://drive.google.com/file/d/1GVKIcbdQXfs9AHL4u_WHuSHKkba2RKg4/view?usp=sharing)
20170414 - CCR - Bad Moon Rising (https://drive.google.com/file/d/1pqp33ulpQSs0u_I1D6mnkS8W2nQcxWML/view?usp=sharing)
20170422 - Woody Guthrie - This Land is Your Land (https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ocxjPpfUOEhQHPCZZSFafNtoPjil-ggn/view?usp=sharing)

20170430 - St James Infirmary Blues (https://drive.google.com/file/d/1FwxA2B_6_qIiXhbU_oeKP2310cOlp96Y/view?usp=sharing)
20170430 - Tears For Fears - Mad World (the Gary Jules way) (https://drive.google.com/file/d/1f1pzL0ZiE-nfBR1JPWtx8XVv7NjYTv_Q/view?usp=sharing)

This next recording is my first real attempt at a multi-track production. I think it was the first time that I entered the Forum song contest, a monthly event at the time ---


20170515 - Ben E. King - Stand By Me (https://drive.google.com/file/d/1OOi8RIOwlWxgu8dDg8siIaFCqH06ETzj/view?usp=sharing)

There were two things that made me nervous after starting the BC, the first of those was the B7 chord. I picked these next two songs to learn, play, and record songs to slay the B7 dragon.

20170520 - Otis Redding - Dock of the Bay (https://drive.google.com/file/d/1dEAio7TI0g9pq0uZ1EQqD9pp8M3C8IpG/view?usp=sharing)
20170520 - Roberta Flack - Killing Me Softly (https://drive.google.com/file/d/1uKCe1pqq65zVAhURg4rmMFbyV0EG_dCJ/view?usp=sharing)

20170602 - The Troggs - Love Is All Around (https://drive.google.com/file/d/1xD0iIaMocneBOFEhIzrfyS_hcae-s_o8/view?usp=sharing)

20170616 - Rodrigues - Jane S. Piddy (https://drive.google.com/file/d/1qdT3FWdJl8I2KADUTTn6JYG91eH6-Ltr/view?usp=sharing)

Another multi-track contest entry. The only way to learn is to do, have to start somewhere ---


20170617 - Neil Young - Like a Hurricane (https://drive.google.com/file/d/1JcKuXB2ge5922zVDzzkihm9O2kCFexld/view?usp=sharing)

Working out on the F chord ---

20170702 - The Animals - The House of the Rising Sun (https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Twcsw7GS8F9bqBEjJPqNZ5zu8A4nj2Ac/view?usp=sharing)
20170805 - Bob Dylan - Knocking on Heaven’s Door (https://drive.google.com/file/d/1SxeBG10Ej2qbtZD3IRwk0f2gUYSpNVnM/view?usp=sharing)

20170805 - Johannes Kerkorrel en die Gereformeerde Blues Band - Hillbrow (https://drive.google.com/file/d/1GhtbTBuSQiU0j_ZArx7xa527kuC3_b5q/view?usp=sharing)

Another multi-track contest entry. I’d discovered effects plug-ins. You can most certainly have too much of a good thing.Then I tried a simpler version. And finally, while in the moment, the third version was just  a single take play and sing … the best of the bunch (best being a relative term)


20170812 - David Gray - This Year’s Love (Forum contest versio) (https://drive.google.com/file/d/1bV6As9FusH1ur0zCYsyNZA-9XoZ3rjO4/view?usp=sharing)
20170812 - David Gray - This Year’s Love (simplified mix) (https://drive.google.com/file/d/1EDZvaZj8YIhSzQGwX8M7i3Bsvg98rWWp/view?usp=sharin
g)
20170813 - David Gray - This Year’s Love (https://drive.google.com/file/d/1j0OhCV9MdJp_RRmCIr0uwlJ2MGeRJEKf/view?usp=sharin
g)

I was inspired to learn this after watching Mari play and Krista sing it. A simple strummed version. Maybe one day a more Clapton-esque finger-picked version will be doable ---

20170818 - Blues standard written by Jimmy Cliff - Nobody Knows You When You’re Down
and Out (https://drive.google.com/file/d/1OQLjMxh_eNuj0SWotTbEI1KLAz_pumGc/view?usp=sharing)

Another contest entry. A simple play and sing, which I was quite pleased with, felt like a significant personal best at the time ---

20170902 - Tom Waits - Chocolate Jesus (https://drive.google.com/file/d/1RSWgrGwtoNwdIzxCBXFSoqog6NTUnmwD/view?usp=sharing)

20170902 - Van Morrison - Brown Eyed Girl (https://drive.google.com/file/d/1DD20tYnks_7XGZZ4vsGe00iZNjMklKR8/view?usp=sharing)

This was one of the songs I tried to learn when first trying to learn to play. A good choice as it introduced me to F from the outset. I keep coming back to it. In this version I was playing with effects to give it a more NY and Crazy Horse sound ---

20171008 - Neil Young - Like a Hurricane (https://drive.google.com/file/d/1niWmEhx6whHgwFIFgarDTgLRUkgkgMgE/view?usp=sharing)

A second attempt. The full song plus some single note runs between chords. Still 4/4 time. One day I’ll come back and do it in 6/8 ---

20171021 - Leonard Cohen - Hallelujah (https://drive.google.com/file/d/14i-0kF8qw6r0spDRSG4rezgi_9idT5oc/view?usp=sharing)

Shortly after posting Chocolate Jesus I received an invite to collaborate from Schlaffenwagen. I nearly declined, thinking I was not up to it. Thankfully I didn’t and with his ability to add drums and bass, tighten my contributions up, and Kasper on electric guitar it turned out pretty good  ---

20171029 - Neil Young - My My Hey Hey (Out of the Blue) (https://drive.google.com/file/d/1BXHI5D-QzT6HO_YrNKu26NCR67w50Cud/view?usp=sharing)

A contest entry made only after Mari encouraged me to give it a go. Before recording this I managed to work out most of the melody, Mari correcting and filling in the gaps ---

20171202 - Auld Lang Syne (https://drive.google.com/file/d/1E9tGwq7OMapKd1XUenVId368zOdcBVfj/view?usp=sharing)

A recording made to exercise triplet strumming. Not the rock ‘n roll chunka chunka that would be more appropriate and stumbled over the instrumental verse. Also struggling with the vocal phrasing, as I can hear so much more clearly now ---

20171204 - Bo Diddley - Before You Accuse me (https://drive.google.com/file/d/1YrfschPaQ5YEWDUH5lbdFoFFNYEceLrE/view?usp=sharing)
20180101 - Neil Young - After the Goldrush (https://drive.google.com/file/d/1mCoY_AUpgmjtGcq9Uwrz6PBDChvd3MSO/view?usp=sharing)

20180107 - Edwyn Collins - A Girl Like You (https://drive.google.com/file/d/12g0qFVx48bhCkduG0Qj0E2oqkWi-9PyI/view?usp=sharing)

This may have been another Contest entry, I don’t recall. Another of my early experiments in producing multi-track recordings ---

20180210 - Leonard Cohen - Hallelujah (https://drive.google.com/file/d/10WKoZOB1YUwTgb8JnsRgmaNWCMQuNIIZ/view?usp=sharing)

Next couple were recorded to practice playing a bass note (or often the lowest 2 strings of the chord) ---

20180317 - The Troggs - Love is All Around (https://drive.google.com/file/d/1G4k8Gtw9MFSLEAxWFCtGXBr8jTe5NYrL/view?usp=sharing)
20180427 - Neil Young - From Hank to Hendrix (https://drive.google.com/file/d/1goG-eqAvi3RkTKnh-VpQDl0GgSdWTJ-b/view?usp=sharing)

This recording felt like one of those “breakthrough” moments. First attempt to record finger-picking, another multi-track production, with a guitar lead ---


20180428 - The Rolling Stones - As Tears Go By (https://drive.google.com/file/d/1YaL9J0021QF4SwpfDEIj9TxyjrwWM86F/view?usp=sharing)

20180609 - The Troggs - Love is All Around (https://drive.google.com/file/d/1AaKUXgxtMh-VlXuo_Sx6JTx1-P2gzqvJ/view?usp=sharing)
20180721 - Rodrigues - Jane S Piddy (https://drive.google.com/file/d/1CfOz9WV49SdXy2tSEPfPnZ0IxGDQfUlT/view?usp=sharing)

20180727 - David Gray - This Years Love (https://drive.google.com/file/d/1AOqRiLINbd5uR2DJnRk-cBQVvHJ6pTio/view?usp=sharing)

While my primary focus is the singer-songwriter solo acoustic thing, like probably all lovers of music and guitar, there lies within the desire to be able to improvise. Periodically I take a detour from my usual activity and get into the jamming. It is great fun. And in those moments, it seems to me that I improve. And that is without any deliberate learning, beyond knowing some scale patterns, and practice. Maybe one day, I’ll give this focus ---

20180929 - Guitar Challenge 06 - Improv over a I VI IV V backing track (https://drive.google.com/file/d/1KEkpEAY6rGo2LmiGYGGgzfgQVxZ-ABbG/view?usp=sharing)
20181003 - Guitar Challenge 10 - Ballad indie folk guitar backing (80bpm in D maj) (https://drive.google.com/file/d/1indu2L87eaf4bg03exJp5C0ukuYo3xcr/view?usp=sharing)

20181007 - Guitar Challenge 07 - Minor blues shuffle in A (https://drive.google.com/file/d/1fnsIJ8Tg6FscqYe9qLDXTSbGt2UhsNxb/view?usp=sharing)
20181012 - Guitar Challenge 08 - Improv over a mild bluesy groove in Bm (https://drive.google.com/file/d/1brGieIRi9bWv390nnAh0ee0fz3-3NjVw/view?usp=sharing)
20181020 - Guitar Challenge 09 - Improv over a dreamy rock backing track in C lydian  (https://drive.google.com/file/d/12rMNfQFAGXUjXVmC3odAdcz30AaXZjo4/view?usp=sharing)

20181020 - The Animals - The House of the Rising Son (https://drive.google.com/file/d/180aNUKF0dvlb-E6DO4Xbv3pIpJWAD3et/view?usp=sharing)
20181021 - Bob Dylan - The Times Are a Changin’ (https://drive.google.com/file/d/1s2ps9PBmAwqyM-4DYjC8IvFX6Tyo99z7/view?usp=sharing)

20181027 - Guitar Challenge 05 - Improv of Justin’s backing track in G maj (https://drive.google.com/file/d/1PLNjC5SPudlh7-USb7SVY-u9qhor2bef/view?usp=sharing)
20181111 - Guitar Challenge 01 - Improv over Justin’s 12 bar blues in A (https://drive.google.com/file/d/1UXiYhug7h5g0blooqnZhqh3q_B9ELIT3/view?usp=sharing)
20181116 - Guitar Challenge 11 - Retro 80s synth jam in Gm (https://drive.google.com/file/d/1NWpleiHFi2gTbo2SqWLYcU-WQNe32Scn/view?usp=sharing)

20181117 - Fleetwood Mac - Don’t Stop (https://drive.google.com/file/d/1SRJCM5LNNmMurMYzEpm5A3ET6R1Q1Ov-/view?usp=sharing)
20181209 - The Rolling Stones - Dead Flowers (https://drive.google.com/file/d/11BS45K3YkQtX3ZIJd1VVb-h5tORzEw_u/view?usp=sharing)


20181213 - Guitar Challenge 14 - Acoustic jam in G (https://drive.google.com/file/d/11Um1REXrj8ejkQn6D8IHzEGI9UPRAl5I/view?usp=sharing)

This is one of those songs that I always dreamed of being able to play and sing. Another when I listen back I can hear how stilted my singing is ---


20181213 - The Rolling Stones - Ruby Tuesday (https://drive.google.com/file/d/1mhEfTSbSEIx69juTa3Gkj1_uBMGnE-pS/view?usp=sharing)

Supposedly the “easy first song”, well I’ve always struggled to play and sing it. Still do. This seemed a good choice for a celebration of a second year of Justin Guitar ---

20181222 - Bob Marley - Three Little Birds (https://drive.google.com/file/d/1il-eMSKVR7R0n2wGlCuK3paetg9m02L7/view?usp=sharing)

Finally able to have a crack at playing and singing this classic with the riffs. Another I think I do better know (gosh, I hope so :) ) ---

20190104 - Neil Young - My My Hey Hey (https://drive.google.com/file/d/1yjaaaKx3vQqfjyMBGV1NOWGiOQcsnXwl/view?usp=sharing)

Inspired by the various folk who’ve played this classic, in particular if I recall correctly Lynn aka Redhodie’s version on her semi-hollow body guitar. Must come back and learn to play and sing this from memory ---

20190108 - Pink Floyd - Wish You Were Here (https://drive.google.com/file/d/1d3fq2rBMqSYU__Z9Lo_B2mxk38m7Jtba/view?usp=sharing)
20190216 - 4 Non Blondes - What’s Up (https://drive.google.com/file/d/1jZKUpjYHxWcDkK6mjuqC1-onqxmdWZcV/view?usp=sharing)

Another I’ll eventually add to my camp-fire repertoire ---

20190302 - Bob Marley - Redemption Song (https://drive.google.com/file/d/1yOmp_QG7OpncK3WCbuRWx9n9WalNa1iG/view?usp=sharing)
20190309 - Stray Cats - Stray Cat Strut (https://drive.google.com/file/d/1CHWgB9AKIvUaHjxQXlxCDIqd811E2YCI/view?usp=sharing)

20190330 Nine Inch Nails - Hurt (the Johnny Cash way) (https://drive.google.com/file/d/1XrKrsvELfLdaZ9GI6smeToGg8l8TRduD/view?usp=sharing)

In May of 2019 I decided to have a go at making videos rather than just audio recordings. The remaining recordings that are audio only are either Guitar Challenge jams or collaborations with my wife, Lesley.

20190720 - Bruce Springsteen - Hungry Heart (https://drive.google.com/file/d/1s20Qo-GEHhQGCgwPGt1wlMyCCQXMMQjc/view?usp=sharing)

20200308 - Guitar Challenge 15 - Funked Out Dung Beatle (https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Aag3pGWHcfGO5Vb5qW8LJu1XLlLIRF41/view?usp=sharing)

20200315 - Guitar Challenge 16 - Brooklyn Garage Beat (https://drive.google.com/file/d/1C111U-CHnXXFRhzf9sgTJ56c-s-4LhyW/view?usp=sharing)
20200321 - Guitar Challenge 19 - Turn On, Turn Up, Turn Off (a backing track) (https://drive.google.com/file/d/1IXaQ7nolR4OXihROLvL4BDUNPrhDJTsg/view?usp=sharing)
20200410 - Guitar Challenge 18 - Big Room Wonderland beat (https://drive.google.com/file/d/1woPcdhPyGBTMKKTKHg1TRya6M8niuN9p/view?usp=sharing)
20200411 - Guitar Challenge 17 - Slider (https://drive.google.com/file/d/1aK4XvBP-oH5l4qdoXCONXsCjxOFkD-yM/view?usp=sharing)

20201010 - Saturday jam with Lesley (https://drive.google.com/file/d/1XJ0oONvvQBvFD2gUjl3_h3WIIYBL_MAg/view?usp=sharing)

With all the links in this post, I exceeded the post character length limit if I included the usual end to my RC posts that includes the links to my YouTube Channel and original songs, gear list, and links to all the preceding RC Posts.  That usual feature will be added again on RC post #25.
Title: Re: David P's Road Case
Post by: sairfingers on September 24, 2021, 11:59:07 am
What a terrific record of your guitar achievements David. I’ll bet until you wrote all that down you didn’t realise how far you’d come. (mind you, I had to stop for a sandwich in the middle of reading this 😂).

Well done and I look forward to the next instalment.
Title: Re: David P's Road Case
Post by: batwoman on September 25, 2021, 02:16:37 am
(mind you, I had to stop for a sandwich in the middle of reading this 😂).

Oh that was you at the wayside long-distance truck stop. I thought I recognized you Gordon.  ;D  I not only had a sandwich but a full meal, then a lie down before continuing the journey  :o

Unlike you DP, I'm lost for words. I can give you a vibe though  :)

Title: Re: David P's Road Case
Post by: CT on September 25, 2021, 04:02:30 am
That's an impressive roster of tracks DP, and you couldn't even list them all. Keep rolling out the jams, buddy!
Title: Re: David P's Road Case
Post by: DavidP on September 25, 2021, 06:57:19 am
Gordon, Maggie, Clint,

Thanks for taking a look and commenting ... I guess the halfway house refreshments ought to be on me.

It is amazing how the recordings mount up, like everything else ... slow and steady. And now I have around 60 videos on YT to go with these 60 something recordings.

Most pleasing for me, is to be able to hear the improvement in most recent recordings of songs I'd first attempted in my SoundCloud years.
Title: Re: David P's Road Case
Post by: brianlarsen on September 25, 2021, 07:18:36 am
To be clear, I'm certainly not expecting people to listen through this lot...
To be clear, I struggled to read through this lot, let alone click on the links  ;D

Just joking of course. I shall dip in at leisure.
Well done for organising your output.
I started a RC a while ago, but it now feels like a teenagers bedroom that has become too messy to tackle  ::)

Title: Re: David P's Road Case
Post by: DavidP on September 25, 2021, 07:29:06 am
To be clear, I struggled to read through this lot, let alone click on the links  ;D

Just joking of course. I shall dip in at leisure.
Well done for organising your output.
I started a RC a while ago, but it now feels like a teenagers bedroom that has become too messy to tackle  ::)

Perhaps I ought to have taken a leaf out of Gordon's book and declared:

"This post is more for my benefit. Forum members, you are advised to stop reading, if you actually start, when the list of recordings with ad hoc comments starts"
Title: Re: David P's Road Case
Post by: close2u on September 25, 2021, 08:58:56 am
Just one word David..
Wow.
:)
Title: Re: David P's Road Case
Post by: DavidP on September 25, 2021, 10:24:12 am
Just one word David..
Wow.
:)

I don't do one word, Richard  :o 😂

Thank you, from first post to last, you've been like a second teacher for me, always encouraging and helping me to keep on improving. 🙏

As have so many other Forum Regulars, to whom I am always ever so grateful and appreciative. Too many to name, too easy to make unintentional hurtful omissions.

Justin's programmes and lessons plus The Forum ... undoubtedly one of the finest means to learn to play and grow as a musician.
Title: Re: David P's Road Case
Post by: RC23 on September 25, 2021, 11:14:38 am
Great post David, what a fantastic journey (so far).

You are so right, Justin’s course with the support of this forum is a great way to progress.

Rod.
Title: Re: David P's Road Case
Post by: tobyjenner on September 26, 2021, 06:09:35 pm
That is an impressive portfolio sir and I would like to think inspirational to anyone who drops by. You have achieved a great deal in a relatively short time but have provided support and encouragement to others, as you ploughed your own journey. I am sure there will be a lot more to come but thank you for taking stock and providing a window for others to see what can be done, with hard work and dedication.

I can say hats off again, as they all returned to terra firma not long after the Larsen Circus left town.

Cheers

Toby
 8)
Title: Re: David P's Road Case
Post by: adi_mrok on September 26, 2021, 06:27:07 pm
Wow what a list David, probably took you a whole week to write this down, would take you another 6 to get all the links together! I had a go at few first links to see how much you improved and I must say you did hell of a step forward in youe music journey! Always keen to see how your story will continue further, keep at it David!

Keep on rockin' my friends

Title: Re: David P's Road Case
Post by: DavidP on September 29, 2021, 06:43:04 am
Thanks for the replies, much appreciated

@Rod ... guitar and music is now such a meaningful part of my life, including the Forum. It's been a blessing, all the more so in these pandemic times

@Toby ... with the right mindset and approach I think we can all make progress. And I think taking stock is important, so easy to get overly focused on the road ahead and forget where you've come from.

@Adrian ... LOL ... I can't lie, it took a while to curate all the songs and upload to Google Drive and set up all the links. And then all the sidetracks, so I dabbled and nibbled for a while before finally posting. Appreciate your extra mile effort to listen to some of the early recordings. For me the primary goal is just to keep improving, however slowly. Keep doing that and eventually one will reach an OK level.
Title: Re: David P's Road Case
Post by: close2u on September 29, 2021, 08:11:19 am
... just to keep improving, however slowly. Keep doing that and eventually one will reach an OK level.

Perhaps even mediocre! haha  ;) ;)
Title: Re: David P's Road Case
Post by: DavidP on September 29, 2021, 02:34:48 pm
Perhaps even mediocre! haha  ;) ;)

LOL indeed Richard. I watch Clint as a yardstick of working towards mediocre (as he always says) and based on that mediocre may be beyond me.
Title: Re: David P's Road Case
Post by: phx1973 on September 29, 2021, 11:19:57 pm
I really enjoyed reading this, David. I feel like in a way I’ve been on this ride along with you, as I believe we joined the forum around the same time. You’ve improved so much. Keep it up!


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Title: Re: David P's Road Case
Post by: DavidP on September 30, 2021, 05:53:47 am
I really enjoyed reading this, David. I feel like in a way I’ve been on this ride along with you, as I believe we joined the forum around the same time. You’ve improved so much. Keep it up!

Thanks Tosh, glad you enjoyed it and appreciate recognition of progress. I know what you mean about being on the ride with other folk. It is encouraging to be taking the ride with friends, observing each other to be improving, as indeed I've observed your growth over time.
Title: Re: David P's Road Case
Post by: SgtColon on September 30, 2021, 01:21:54 pm
A great read David, thanks for sharing.

So I take it that playing a 12 string is the same as a 6 string but you just have to hold down 2 strings instead of one?  :)
Title: Re: David P's Road Case
Post by: DavidP on September 30, 2021, 03:01:05 pm
A great read David, thanks for sharing.

So I take it that playing a 12 string is the same as a 6 string but you just have to hold down 2 strings instead of one?  :)

My pleasure, glad you enjoyed it, Stefan.

That's correct on the 12 string. The tuning on some of the strings is different, an octave apart, which is what gives the guitar it's characteristic sound.  Apart from the holding down of the notes, I think picking can be a little more tricky as well.

If you did read my full Road Case (that's dedication above and beyond) then you'll know I only had a 12 string for a short while. It just didn't sound wonderful to me, not what I imagined and remembered from my student days when a friend had a beautiful 12 string that sounded magnificent. Perhaps that is the years deceiving me but also I think the guitar had a maple body that tends to be a brighter sound and I have now learned I am more a fan of a rosewood guitar which has a darker, warmer sound.
Title: Re: David P's Road Case
Post by: Rossco01 on September 30, 2021, 04:38:49 pm
I had never experienced the sound of a 12 string or indeed seen anyone play it until one of our most recent Open Mics. My band colleagues compared it to a visit to the local pub in Royston Vasey (if you don't know where that is you'll need to google it). It was indeed quite a strange affair...a very very small playing space..in a pub miles from anywhere (you can see our performance their on YT). All local people who knew each other and had played together many times...everyone almost north of 60 and almost each and every one of them played a 12 string acoustic. Undoubtedly one had started and the others had followed...we were indeed a bit of oddity bringing electric to this corner of deep dark Monmouthshire....that said we had a great time, they were all very welcoming and I think a few appreciated the change in genre/songs and decade of music..well they asked if we'd come back anyway...and sure enough there were lots of 12 strings again!

I should have course have said that I was might impressed by your back catalogue..it's a extremely interesting walk through your recent history on guitar...I have to admit I culled quite a lot of my soundcloud when I started to run out of space but I did keep some earlier stuff there just so I remember how it started. Great to look back as you say.
Title: Re: David P's Road Case
Post by: DarrellW on September 30, 2021, 04:56:29 pm
David, you just didn’t have the right 12 string; take a look at this one but be prepared for a sharp intake of breath when you see the price!!!
https://youtu.be/_vISmVDZmDY
Title: Re: David P's Road Case
Post by: SgtColon on October 01, 2021, 08:07:05 am
I did read it all. You were going to sell your 12 string and your 6 string to buy another guitar but you didn't you just bought the new one anyway. Now that's rock and roll. ;D They do say that childhood (I know not strictly childhood) is filled with a million false memories.

That's for explaining the 12 string. So even if you are picking do you still play 2 strings together? I've never had the pleasure of trying one but then I struggle with 6 strings at the moment, so maybe that's something for the future.
Title: Re: David P's Road Case
Post by: DarrellW on October 01, 2021, 08:30:27 am
Yes you do play the two strings together, they are very close together so it’s not that much of a problem but it’s definitely more difficult to play - take a look at this.
https://youtu.be/_vISmVDZmDY
Title: Re: David P's Road Case
Post by: SgtColon on October 01, 2021, 09:57:05 am
Thanks for that video David.

A nice looking guitar. I thought the 12 strings gave it a bit of an overdubbed sound.
Title: Re: David P's Road Case
Post by: DavidP on October 01, 2021, 10:51:17 am
And in the end I did sell the 12 string, Stefan. I took the money and bought an amp  ;D  GAS is real  ;D

Darrell added more on the playing of 12 strings, nothing more for me to say.

@Darrell, thanks for the videos
Title: Re: David P's Road Case
Post by: SgtColon on October 01, 2021, 12:25:43 pm
Tell me about it. I've posted a "buying a new guitar" thread already  ;D

Oops, sorry David and Darrell. Yes, thank you Darrell for posting that. That's what I get for reading at work.  ::)
Title: Re: David P's Road Case
Post by: Twin Six on October 07, 2021, 01:22:17 am
David, that's an impressive repertoire! So far, I've listened to Chocolate Jesus and Wish You Were Here because they're two of the songs I'm working on. Thanks for the inspiration. I'll be revisiting to listen to more.

As for 12-string, it's a challenging instrument that takes lots of practice & patience, and may not be everyone's cup of tea. Good action & tone are critical. Also, because the neck is wider and string tension is greater, it requires plenty of finger stretching & strength, but a good instrument will reward your efforts.
Title: Re: David P's Road Case
Post by: DavidP on October 07, 2021, 04:40:50 am
David, that's an impressive repertoire! So far, I've listened to Chocolate Jesus and Wish You Were Here because they're two of the songs I'm working on. Thanks for the inspiration. I'll be revisiting to listen to more.

As for 12-string, it's a challenging instrument that takes lots of practice & patience, and may not be everyone's cup of tea. Good action & tone are critical. Also, because the neck is wider and string tension is greater, it requires plenty of finger stretching & strength, but a good instrument will reward your efforts.

Thanks Twin Six. Rather than a repertoire I'd say this represents steps along the way. In this year I think I have started to develop a repertoire and will post more about this soon. I too will come back to Wish You Were Here at some point to have another go and add it to my repertoire.

And my intention in posting is to show what can be achieved, how one can progress if one sticks at it.  I think I am an example of slow and steady leads to progress. So if you've found it inspiring then mission accomplished.

As for the 12 string ... I think you are right. And who knows, maybe one day I'll get another.
Title: Re: David P's Road Case
Post by: frito on October 25, 2021, 07:11:23 pm
David, that's an impressive repertoire! So far, I've listened to Chocolate Jesus and Wish You Were Here because they're two of the songs I'm working on. Thanks for the inspiration. I'll be revisiting to listen to more.

As for 12-string, it's a challenging instrument that takes lots of practice & patience, and may not be everyone's cup of tea. Good action & tone are critical. Also, because the neck is wider and string tension is greater, it requires plenty of finger stretching & strength, but a good instrument will reward your efforts.
^ This.  I have been practicing almost exclusively on my 12 string for the past few months.  I just love the sound and in a masochistic sort of way the added challenge playing the 12 adds.  It forces me to work on my grip strength, finger placement and accuracy of picking so much more than my Gretsch.  I'm sure I'll get back to the Gretsch at some point but I'm hopeful focusing on the 12 will improve my overall playing.  That's part (a small part) of why my progress has slowed.
Title: Re: David P's Road Case
Post by: DavidP on October 26, 2021, 06:48:21 am
^ This.  I have been practicing almost exclusively on my 12 string for the past few months.  I just love the sound and in a masochistic sort of way the added challenge playing the 12 adds.  It forces me to work on my grip strength, finger placement and accuracy of picking so much more than my Gretsch.  I'm sure I'll get back to the Gretsch at some point but I'm hopeful focusing on the 12 will improve my overall playing.  That's part (a small part) of why my progress has slowed.

Good to hear from you, Joe. I'm sure the effort to improve your technique on the 12 will pay off all round. Look forward to a RC update and recording from you down the line.
Title: Re: David P's Road Case
Post by: sandrat on October 26, 2021, 07:23:22 pm
Great achievement and progress David.

I totally agree with you about how important it is to record yourself from the start even if you don't want to share it. It will reveal your errors and improve your practice sessions. But most importantly it will give you a boost of confidence and a feeling of great accomplishment (also a few giggles and cringes) when you look back on your journey. For those who haven't done it yet and are thinking about it, take the plunge, after a few recordings the nerves start to take a backseat and soon enough you are releasing more quality stuff.  And then share it. I released my first video after 4 weeks of lessons.. I shared it here, and got some good feedback... I still remember the feeling of joy and pride after receiving such accolades.
Title: Re: David P's Road Case
Post by: DavidP on October 27, 2021, 06:19:27 am
Great achievement and progress David.

I totally agree with you about how important it is to record yourself from the start even if you don't want to share it. It will reveal your errors and improve your practice sessions. But most importantly it will give you a boost of confidence and a feeling of great accomplishment (also a few giggles and cringes) when you look back on your journey. For those who haven't done it yet and are thinking about it, take the plunge, after a few recordings the nerves start to take a backseat and soon enough you are releasing more quality stuff.  And then share it. I released my first video after 4 weeks of lessons.. I shared it here, and got some good feedback... I still remember the feeling of joy and pride after receiving such accolades.

Thanks Sandra. Very useful to have those early recordings for those moments when you feel frustrated about progress. Looking back to early recordings reminds me of the progress made whenever I feel I am getting nowhere fast with what I am working towards.

As for cringing ... yup, I know that feeling.  When I listen to earlier recordings and my singing.  As my brother tells me ... just there to add words over the music, rather than singing with a guitar accompaniment. I can hear my own improvement now and who knows, maybe in a few years time I'll be looking back again and repeating the cycle.
Title: Re: David P's Road Case
Post by: DavidP on October 31, 2021, 06:31:19 am
#25 Three Types of Songs

Justin posted the video "3 Types of Songs You Should Practice (To Play Guitar Better) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3EbRT-ikPw)" in August 2021. It recommends an approach to learning and improving based on working concurrently on three types of songs:

Campfire - Songs that you can play (and sing if that's your thing) from memory
Developers - Songs that you are working on as part of practice to develop technique and ability
Dreamers - Songs you want to play in the future, likely above your current play-grade

If you've not watched the video, I'd recommend it.

In this year I've made unexpected progress developing my Campfire Repertoire. I can't put my finger on any particular reason but I've found myself able to memorise lyrics more easily and effectively, and am markedly more comfortable to perform from memory. Perhaps it is just more playing years behind me or maybe my playing has become more on autopilot, freeing up mental capacity to focus on lyrics and singing.

The repertoire now includes 12 songs. The trick is to keep them all fresh. Ideally I would like to be able to play all 12 on any given day if asked to play a set rather than just one song. Within this set, my ability to play flub-free varies. My aim is to reach a level where flubs become more rare and less obvious to a listener.

The proof of the pudding is in the eating, and I was able to enjoy performing a 4 song set at a local mic a couple of days ago at short notice. You can check out an audio-only recording of that performance here (https://justinguitarcommunity.com/index.php?topic=50233.msg463827#msg463827).

While Justin has a sub-category of Campfire songs, I have two types of Developer songs.

The first are songs as Justin defines the category. Currently in that category is Neil Young's Only Love Can Break Your Heart, another great song from Neil off the After The Goldrush album. Firstly, it includes a G7 chord. I struggled with the stretchiness of G7 when taking the Beginner Course, now I can make the chord. Secondly, it requires a change from G to G7, which is achieved by playing a two finger G (ring finger 3rd fret 6th string, pinky 3rd fret 1st string). This is my first time working on this and as is to be expected, the pinky was initially not cooperative.

The second are songs I am working at adding to the Campfire Repertoire. These are songs that I can play and sing with the song sheet in front of me. Just a matter of memorisation and practice to reach a performance consistency so as to be comfortable to play live. Currently I'm working on Deep Purple's Wasted Sunsets. Then perhaps Bad Moon Rising, JC's version of Hurt.  I am not short of options.

Like everybody I have songs in the Dreamer category.  I'll just trot out a few as I sit here: Needle And the Damage Done, Powderfinger, Norwegian Wood, One ... I'll stop there. Right now I practice the chord progression for One periodically, the strumming pattern from Justin's Songbook. And one day I'll be able to sing the song at the same time ... boy, I find the phrasing tricky over the strumming pattern. The beauty of this adventure is that with time, learning, and practice dreams do come true  ;D

It has taken me nearly five years to reach this point. I have watched others here achieve more in less time (I applaud and celebrate with them) and seen others begin and lose motivation as progress perhaps fails to meet expectation. Learning to play and sing is a joy for me, not a race nor a competition, not a quest to achieve specific time-based goals. So if you are dreaming, then take it one step at a time, at your own pace, and you can make those dreams come true. 



Recordings

My YouTube Channel (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCG2X_TlNs7agW-U0EBCDdbw)
SoundCloud Years Archive (https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1i3IflFr8eMGc72cCPKz4C8zhbB_O7MFk?usp=sharing)

Gear

Guitars: Fender Paramount PM-1 Deluxe | Honer Resonator | Epiphone LP Standard Pro | Celebrity CC67 (Nashville strung)
Amp: Blackstar ID15:TVP
Pedals: TC Helicon Play Acoustic
Mics: Samson CO3 | AKG D5 | Shure 545SD Unidyne III
AI: Focusrite Scarlet 2i2
Software Tools: Reaper | Guitar Pro
 
My Original Songs

No Regrets (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pdpo2v0YYvA) | Voices of Vincent Blue Beast (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6tL_xXB1nQU) | Free (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mTB2gwCuJfk) | Two To Midnight (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ktFaUm2X6dM) | David’s Summer Songet (https://soundcloud.com/david-preece-24770685/davids-summer-songet-20190427) | Dear Johnny Blues (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yII_bC3mCc) | Song For Lesley (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9NCKNbm0eNQ)

RC Index

Some of the posts include inactive links to recordings shared on SoundCloud, now available on my SoundCloud Years archive.

#24 Biennial (The SoundCloud Years) (https://justinguitarcommunity.com/index.php?topic=41958.msg460983#msg460983)
#23 About the 3Ps: Practicing Playing Performing (https://justinguitarcommunity.com/index.php?topic=41958.msg453314#msg453314)
#22 Funny how it goes, just going as it flows (https://justinguitarcommunity.com/index.php?topic=41958.msg443777#msg443777)
#21 My 4th JGversary (https://justinguitarcommunity.com/index.php?topic=41958.msg436945#msg436945)
#20 5000th Forum post and 4 keys to learning (https://justinguitarcommunity.com/index.php?topic=41958.msg418388#msg418388)
#19 My 3rd JGversary (https://justinguitarcommunity.com/index.php?topic=41958.msg412333#msg412333)
#18 First Open Mic and setting up the music room (https://justinguitarcommunity.com/index.php?topic=41958.msg408299#msg408299)
#17 My 2nd JGversary (https://justinguitarcommunity.com/index.php?topic=41958.msg395821#msg395821)
#16 First live performance (https://justinguitarcommunity.com/index.php?topic=41958.msg395343#msg395343)
#15 First two originals and winning the Forum Contest (https://justinguitarcommunity.com/index.php?topic=41958.msg392745#msg392745)
#14 18 month update (https://justinguitarcommunity.com/index.php?topic=41958.msg387129#msg387129)
#13 My 1st JGversary (https://justinguitarcommunity.com/index.php?topic=41958.msg374843#msg374843)
#12 Going beyond my dreams (https://justinguitarcommunity.com/index.php?topic=41958.msg372813#msg372813)
#11 September songs and success (https://justinguitarcommunity.com/index.php?topic=41958.msg370936#msg370936)
#10 RC up to date, 8.5 month reflection (https://justinguitarcommunity.com/index.php?topic=41958.msg367334#msg367334)
#9 A severe attack of GAS (https://justinguitarcommunity.com/index.php?topic=41958.msg367332#msg367332)
#8 It’s not a linear journey (https://justinguitarcommunity.com/index.php?topic=41958.msg367304#msg367304)
#7 Consolidation, Forum Contest, and BC Stage 4 (https://justinguitarcommunity.com/index.php?topic=41958.msg367171#msg367171)
#6 The onset of GAS (https://justinguitarcommunity.com/index.php?topic=41958.msg367161#msg367161)
#5 Joining the Community and my first recording (https://justinguitarcommunity.com/index.php?topic=41958.msg367108#msg367108)s
#4 Playing where other people were around (https://justinguitarcommunity.com/index.php?topic=41958.msg366739#msg366739)
#3 Beginning Justin’s BC (https://justinguitarcommunity.com/index.php?topic=41958.msg366228#msg366228)
#2 Starting the guitar adventure (https://justinguitarcommunity.com/index.php?topic=41958.msg365944#msg365944)
#1 Discovering a love of music (https://justinguitarcommunity.com/index.php?topic=41958.msg365758#msg365758)
Title: Re: David P's Road Case
Post by: sairfingers on October 31, 2021, 09:32:43 am
Another impressive update to your RC David. Disappointingly short compared to your September epistle though. (I didn’t quite manage to finish my sandwich this time 😂).

I for one think you’ve achieved a huge amount in your almost 5 years of playing. You sum it up well when you say it’s a joy to learn to play and sing, not a race. In my 3 1/2 years on this forum I’ve seen names come and go. Perhaps some have gone on to learn using a different online tutor or system but I suspect many have given up totally when the overnight guitar god dream didn’t materialise.

Here’s to the next 5 years!
Title: Re: David P's Road Case
Post by: DavidP on October 31, 2021, 02:49:37 pm
Another impressive update to your RC David. Disappointingly short compared to your September epistle though. (I didn’t quite manage to finish my sandwich this time 😂).

I for one think you’ve achieved a huge amount in your almost 5 years of playing. You sum it up well when you say it’s a joy to learn to play and sing, not a race. In my 3 1/2 years on this forum I’ve seen names come and go. Perhaps some have gone on to learn using a different online tutor or system but I suspect many have given up totally when the overnight guitar god dream didn’t materialise.

Here’s to the next 5 years!

Thanks Gordon.  Sandwich length ... something to aspire to  ;D  And I'll join you in a wee dram to look forward to the next 5 or 3.5 years!
Title: Re: David P's Road Case
Post by: SgtColon on November 02, 2021, 09:22:06 am
Another interesting read David. Thanks for sharing.

I wonder if the brain adapts and that is why you are finding the remembering of songs easier?  Your brain is saying, this is what you do, so this is what I'll do, if you know what I mean?
Title: Re: David P's Road Case
Post by: DavidP on November 02, 2021, 09:32:50 am
Another interesting read David. Thanks for sharing.

I wonder if the brain adapts and that is why you are finding the remembering of songs easier?  Your brain is saying, this is what you do, so this is what I'll do, if you know what I mean?

Thanks Stefan. I think you are right. I'm no expert but do believe that neural plasticity allows our brains to develop new pathways as we focus and learn new things. And I believe the science says this is a life-long thing. So keep using the brain and learning and you'll continue to be able to learn.  One of the many positive benefits of the musical hobby.
Title: Re: David P's Road Case
Post by: J.W.C. on November 22, 2021, 03:44:28 pm
Those are some impressive lists of recordings that show a lot of development and growth. Your industry with recording makes me realize how lax I've been.
Title: Re: David P's Road Case
Post by: DavidP on November 22, 2021, 03:55:59 pm
Those are some impressive lists of recordings that show a lot of development and growth. Your industry with recording makes me realize how lax I've been.

Thanks JWC.

I am not sure I'd consider you to be lax.  I've no idea what you get up to musically on a regular basis, just a vague sense based on things you share here. 

For me, the last few years has been (and continues to be) about learning and mastering the foundation. And as we always say here, learning and playing songs is what it is all about. Doing that all alone at home is challenging (for me). So recordings served to provide the feedback and encouragement that I might have got in other ways.

So it served me. I am sure you do plenty that serves you. Though more recordings from you would be a treat. That moment in time when you shared a number was fabulous. Such a joy to listen to you play and sing plus share all the details about the recordings.
Title: Re: David P's Road Case
Post by: J.W.C. on November 23, 2021, 06:49:08 am
Well, maybe not lax overall, but definitely lax about recording stuff (and even participating, here, for that matter). Life happens and all that. I've been feeling the itch to record again, though.
Title: Re: David P's Road Case
Post by: DavidP on November 23, 2021, 11:14:03 am
Well, maybe not lax overall, but definitely lax about recording stuff (and even participating, here, for that matter). Life happens and all that. I've been feeling the itch to record again, though.

Guess it is all about choices as to how we spend the time we have. Your contributions to the Forum are always valuable, be it in answers to questions or sharing recordings.  But as you say, just a part of life.
Title: Re: David P's Road Case
Post by: skeldol on November 24, 2021, 06:28:37 pm
I admire your approach to learning David.  Lots of enthusiasm and a love for what you are doing.  I'm sure this attitude will get you a long way with your playing and is a great example for us.

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Title: Re: David P's Road Case
Post by: DavidP on November 25, 2021, 04:03:42 am
I admire your approach to learning David.  Lots of enthusiasm and a love for what you are doing.  I'm sure this attitude will get you a long way with your playing and is a great example for us.

Thanks Skeldol. I appreciate it, though I probably lean a little too far towards playing and having fun versus disciplined, deliberate practice, which will influence rate at which I improve my play-grade.
Title: Re: David P's Road Case
Post by: sairfingers on November 25, 2021, 02:41:49 pm
………I probably lean a little too far towards playing and having fun versus disciplined, deliberate practice, which will influence rate at which I improve my play-grade.
That approach sounds good to me David!
Title: Re: David P's Road Case
Post by: DavidP on November 25, 2021, 02:56:33 pm
That approach sounds good to me David!

It serves me, but then I am not super driven to raise my play-grade and shift from advancing (consolidating) beginner to genuine intermediate player. And I am in reasonable control of wishfulness that may be fueled watching those in the Forum who appear to me to be more advanced than myself, making more progress, faster . Happy toddling along at tortoise pace, watching the hares.
Title: Re: David P's Road Case
Post by: frito on December 01, 2021, 12:39:32 am
It serves me, but then I am not super driven to raise my play-grade and shift from advancing (consolidating) beginner to genuine intermediate player. And I am in reasonable control of wishfulness that may be fueled watching those in the Forum who appear to me to be more advanced than myself, making more progress, faster . Happy toddling along at tortoise pace, watching the hares.
As long as you are enjoying yourself and picking up the guitar, that's what matters.  You are clearly enjoying the journey.  👍
Title: Re: David P's Road Case
Post by: DavidP on December 01, 2021, 04:46:55 am
As long as you are enjoying yourself and picking up the guitar, that's what matters.  You are clearly enjoying the journey.  👍

Thanks, Joe. You are spot on ... on both counts  ;D
Title: Re: David P's Road Case
Post by: R.F.W. on December 01, 2021, 12:00:08 pm
I like this idea of categories for songs  (campfire,developing and dreamer). Its a good way to see your progress and tailor your practice sessions.
How often do you practice the songs in your campfire list?

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Title: Re: David P's Road Case
Post by: DavidP on December 01, 2021, 02:39:07 pm
I like this idea of categories for songs  (campfire,developing and dreamer). Its a good way to see your progress and tailor your practice sessions.
How often do you practice the songs in your campfire list?

Thanks RFW. I am totally unstructured so I really couldn't say how often I play the campfire repertoire. I normally play songs as part of every practice session, either campfire or developers. And when an Open Mic is approaching then I focus on those songs.
Title: Re: David P's Road Case
Post by: R.F.W. on December 01, 2021, 06:29:48 pm
The unstructured approach  i can relate to. Thanks for your reply.

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