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Title: Autumn Leaves
Post by: oldhead49 on February 07, 2017, 01:20:29 am
I started on this thinking it would be an easy song to learn.  Wrong - at least for me.
I'd like to refine it.  All feedback is welcomed.
Thanks for listening.

https://app.box.com/s/tsaqbe9j6sslad5ykrsgj7pjtcmq9hm6
Title: Re: Autumn Leaves
Post by: batwoman on February 07, 2017, 04:23:35 am
I'll probably be flamed for saying this  ;) I'd like to hear it without drums, so it's purely instrumental. I find the drums a distraction rather than an added dimension.
Title: Re: Autumn Leaves
Post by: oldhead49 on February 07, 2017, 04:49:12 am
I'll probably be flamed for saying this  ;) I'd like to hear it without drums, so it's purely instrumental. I find the drums a distraction rather than an added dimension.

You won't get flamed by me.  Unfortunately, the drum track was merged into the first guitar part so I can't separate them.  I'll be making a re-do of this, hopefully in the near future, and I'll post one without the drums.  That could be interesting. 
Your feedback is appreciated.
Title: Re: Autumn Leaves
Post by: oldhead49 on March 18, 2017, 02:40:32 am
I started on this thinking it would be an easy song to learn.  Wrong - at least for me.
I'd like to refine it.  All feedback is welcomed.
Thanks for listening.

https://app.box.com/s/tsaqbe9j6sslad5ykrsgj7pjtcmq9hm6

Batwoman - No drums Version 2 added here - slow, and much harder to play this way, at least for me.  This is a real learning experience.  I really feel vulnerable putting it out here, but have at it.

https://app.box.com/s/rwvreg0ydfttn9qps2qdaljzncerxxr8
Title: Re: Autumn Leaves
Post by: batwoman on March 18, 2017, 02:50:11 am
Batwoman - No drums Version 2 added here - slow, and much harder to play this way, at least for me.  This is a real learning experience.  I really feel vulnerable putting it out here, but have at it.

https://app.box.com/s/rwvreg0ydfttn9qps2qdaljzncerxxr8

Wow Oldhead49, this is BEAUTIFUL. I love the interplay of melodies, the timing, the sensitivity of interpretation, the clarity of mood. There is a purity and an immediacy to this that I can't quite find words for, but it's a sound that goes right to the core of my being. I must confess, I shed a tear or two. I'm sort of glad in an embarassed way that my comment about the drums has 'encouraged' you to produce this fine piece of music. Thankyou for being vulnerable too. Be assured that this listener is very glad you have posted this. Goo vibe to you Oldhead49.
Title: Re: Autumn Leaves
Post by: oldhead49 on March 18, 2017, 03:20:58 am
Thank you, Batwoman, for those uplifting words.  No need to be embarrassed about encouraging me to try it without drums.  It certainly made me dig a little deeper than I otherwise would have and I learned a few things along the way.  It's a journey.
Title: Re: Autumn Leaves
Post by: Unsui on March 20, 2017, 04:53:44 pm
Batwoman - No drums Version 2 added here - slow, and much harder to play this way, at least for me.  This is a real learning experience.  I really feel vulnerable putting it out here, but have at it.

https://app.box.com/s/rwvreg0ydfttn9qps2qdaljzncerxxr8
This is a wonderful and very emotional rendition of a beautiful song oldhead49. I really really love your performance. Good vibes for you!
Title: Re: Autumn Leaves
Post by: Borodog on March 20, 2017, 07:13:19 pm
Batwoman - No drums Version 2 added here - slow, and much harder to play this way, at least for me.  This is a real learning experience.  I really feel vulnerable putting it out here, but have at it.

https://app.box.com/s/rwvreg0ydfttn9qps2qdaljzncerxxr8

Lovely.
Title: Re: Autumn Leaves
Post by: DarrellW on March 20, 2017, 09:34:26 pm
Wow....... just wow!!!
Playing without the drums absolutely transformed it, definitely a case of less is more!
good vibes!!!
Title: Re: Autumn Leaves
Post by: chix2 on March 21, 2017, 12:09:30 pm

Oh yeah good job dropping the Drum, listened to both. the one solo play was very much more pleaseing the slowed down aproatch really gave it that warm classic touch. very nice this is defently your thing
Title: Re: Autumn Leaves
Post by: oldhead49 on March 21, 2017, 09:16:10 pm
Thanks Unsui, Borodog, DarrellW and chix2 for taking time to listen.  Your comments are greatly appreciated.

It's nice getting others' perspectives on what we do here.  Honest critique is always good.  Had it not been for Batwoman's comments about dropping the drums, I probably wouldn't have dropped them in V2, which I believe ended up being a better version, even though it could still use some work. 
Title: Re: Autumn Leaves
Post by: tobyjenner on March 24, 2017, 07:20:17 pm
Sweet. Jumped straight in to the drumless version.

Really like to tone and overall feel, nice laid back groove going on. Reminder me of a '50s movie soundtrack and I mean that in a good way.  8)
Title: Re: Autumn Leaves
Post by: oldhead49 on March 26, 2017, 02:38:12 am
Thanks, Toby.   I've got about a 33 percent hearing deficit in both ears (mainly in higher decibels) and I never know for sure what the tone sounds like that I'm posting, so your comment about the tone means a lot.
Title: Re: Autumn Leaves
Post by: davidvac on March 28, 2017, 03:49:25 pm
@oldhead49 - You have my admiration. This is delightful!

I agree with the others about taking the drums out. It's cleaner and the melody just comes through.

I particularly liked the melodic shift down at around 1:20 and the really nice bends at 1:40.

Congratulations - I feel like I need to go and put my tux on!
Title: Re: Autumn Leaves
Post by: DavidP on April 07, 2017, 09:36:31 am
Oldhead,

Now, that app.box thing is behaving, I could catch up on this one ...

WOW ... stunning.  Pushed all kinds of nostalgia  buttons for me. 

As I listened to it a name sprang immediately to mind "Ike Isaacs" ... it sounded so like him.  He was a jazz guitarist, who at one time played in a group well known to and loved by my parents. It also took me to Paris.

So I had to Google and found that the first track on Ike's record I Love Paris is Autumn Leaves.  We had the record at home and when I was old enough to have my turn-table drivers license, it was one I'd play frequently.

I guess that is about as good a compliment on your version as you could get.

Thank you Thank you Thank you ... for great memories and feelings evoked

I listened to both versions and had the following thoughts ...

With drums ... I wonder if the drums were softened and sat "underneath" the guitar, how that might sound.  Perhaps get the drum sound like it was being played with brushes, rather than sticks?

Without drums ... felt a just a little slow ... probably my subconscious mis-matching it with the Ike version?  That said, I wonder if you maybe added a little more sustain to some of individual notes and phrases.  Can't believe I am about to say this ... more like a hard-rock ballad intrepretation ... perhaps inspired by how Gary Moore played at times ... just a teeny-weeny bit dirtier  :) Don't know, equally likely to be dreadful, like root canal without aneasthetic  :)

Be those comments as they may ... I just loved this ... going to stop now ... may just dash over to my Dad's place in the back and stick the record one.

Cheers, David
Title: Re: Autumn Leaves
Post by: oldhead49 on April 09, 2017, 11:28:59 pm
David. Thank you for listening to both versions and for the detailed commentary. Ike Issacs certainly has a Paris flavor in his version on the I Love Paris album.  I'm glad my version had an impact on you. To have my version remind you of Ike is quite a compliment. I'll just leave at that and say thank you. As far as the drum version I believe you are right, an underlying beat would be better and better yet would be with brushes. Brushes was actually my first thought. Unfortunately I don't have a brushes effect in my pedal that quite fit right. As far as tempo, this is a great classic that I've heard a number of different arrangements and at different tempos. I tend to play what I'm feeling at the time. If you didn't find the album of Ike you can google it and it will come up. 


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Title: Re: Autumn Leaves
Post by: vibranttrout on June 23, 2017, 06:40:19 am
I agree the drums removed made it sound much better.  After listening, i really dont have any criticism, timing and rhythm, tone, volume of different layers of guitar, and anything else you can think of was perfect.  I really enjoyed it so thank you for the post
Title: Re: Autumn Leaves
Post by: oldhead49 on June 23, 2017, 02:52:43 pm
Thank you so much for those comments   


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Title: Re: Autumn Leaves
Post by: pkboo3 on July 01, 2017, 05:08:56 pm
I liked it a lot oldhead49. It brought memories of my old boss. He used to take my husband & me out to a nice restaurant every Christmas. He would play this genre of music on the piano. Nice memory. Isn't it wonderful how music can evoke memories from our lives?  Very nice.


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Title: Re: Autumn Leaves
Post by: oldhead49 on July 02, 2017, 01:25:35 am
Thanks a bunch pk.  Yes, music can bring back memories and let us relive in our minds times in the past.  Glad you liked it.


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Title: Re: Autumn Leaves
Post by: embishop on January 30, 2018, 01:14:44 pm
What a wonderful version of this song, both of them actually. The one without drums is definitely more expressive, melancholy, thoughtful, loved it. I also really liked the drum version though, totally different feel, carefree, playful. It's amazing the different ways you can interpret a song. Anyway these are great OH, glad another thread led me here.

Mari
Title: Re: Autumn Leaves
Post by: oldhead49 on February 05, 2018, 06:38:21 pm
Thanks for taking a listen, Mari.  Sorry I didn't get back sooner.  I don't visit "Critique" much.
Yeah, it's amazing what you can do with one song.  I posted  Summertime a long time ago and have started to revisit it this week with a bet of a different sound.  We'll see how it goes.  Thanks again.
Title: Re: Autumn Leaves
Post by: bunkley on February 05, 2018, 10:32:21 pm
Only heard the w/o drums version... loved it  :)

Thank you for sharing!
Title: Re: Autumn Leaves
Post by: oldhead49 on February 06, 2018, 12:49:25 am
Thanks Bunkley. I appreciate you taking the time, and for the comment.


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