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Title: Beginner's Thread
Post by: close2u on October 04, 2014, 10:46:49 am
Posting your first audio / video of you playing is a big step for some.  So, we have this thread just for members taking their first steps.  If you have never posted before and would prefer not to create your own thread, with the spotlight on you individually, then you are more than welcome to join in here.

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A few house rules:

1]
We would like the Beginner's thread to be for Beginners only, working through the ten stages of the Beginner's Course (http://justinguitar.com/en/BC-000-BeginnersCourse.php) and the songs from the Beginner's Songbook (http://justinguitar.com/en/BS-000-BeginnersSongbook.php).

2]
We would ask that you limit your uploads in the Beginner's thread to a maximum of five per person.  This could be five recordings of the same song, showing your progress. It could be five different recordings, perhaps from the same stage, perhaps spread out across several stages of learning.

3]
When you reach this maximum, or before if you feel confident enough, we ask that you then begin to use the wider Performance, Progress & Feedback Area. 

a] Create your own threads in Audio or Video of YOU Playing (http://justinguitarcommunity.com/index.php?board=28.0).

b] Join in the fun and challenge yourself in the Guitar 'Challenges' - for all abilities (http://justinguitarcommunity.com/index.php?board=134.0)

c] Work together with others in the Collaborations / Songwriting / Projects Area (http://justinguitarcommunity.com/index.php?board=78.0)

d] Look for specific, constructive criticism in the Music Critique Section (http://justinguitarcommunity.com/index.php?board=142.0)

e] Don't forget - you can look to meet up with other guitarists in real-life in the Meeting Place (http://justinguitarcommunity.com/index.php?board=27.0).

f] You can create a little of your own (editable) space for audio projects, learning logs, posting photos of your gear etc in Road Cases (http://justinguitarcommunity.com/index.php?board=27.0).

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Jump aboard and join in.

Be positive - about your own progress and towards others.

Give 'Good Vibes' to others.

Have fun. 

:)

Thank you.

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INDEX (names in bold have reached the maximum of 5 and are requested to create their own threads)


erichamion
[1] October 06 2014 - I Walk The Line


Rolandson
[1] October 23 2014 - California Dreaming
[2] November 11 2014 - California Dreaming (take 2)
[3] December 01 2014 - California Dreaming (take 3)
[4] December 11 2014 - California Dreaming (take 4)
[5]  January 13, 2015 - California Dreaming (take 5)


Floydnb
[1] October 26 2014 - Three Little Birds


Tobyjenner
[1] October 27 2014 - What's Up
[2] October 28 2014 - What's Up (take 2)


Rossco01
[1] November 10 2014 - Everybody Hurts


McLabraid
[1] November 11, 2014 - Wild Thing


dbrx
[1] December 07, 2014 - Walk Of Life
[2] December 07, 2014 - Mad World
[3] December 14 2014 - This Year's Love
[4] March 15, 2015 - Mad World (take 2)
[5] March 15, 2015 - Back To December (takes 1 & 2)


Bad Omega
[1] December 07 2014 - I Walk The Line


phx1973
[1] December 10 2014 - Unknown Song (track now deleted)
[2] December 11 2014 - Wild Thing (track now deleted)
[3] December 12 2014 - Mad World (track now deleted)
[4] December 15 2014 - I Walk The Line (track now deleted)
[5] December 16 2014 - Killing Me Softly (track now deleted)


Numbnuts
[1] December 11 2014 - What's Going On
[2] January 19, 2015 - Killing Me Softly
[3] January 19, 2015 - Mad World
[4] March 10 2015 - Orphan Girl


Boobook
[1] January 03 2015 - Three Little Birds
[2] January 11 2015 - A Girl Like You
[3] January 28 2015 - Hey Joe
[4] February 14 2015 - Killing Me Softly
[5] March 12 2015 - I Wanna Hold Your Hand


m_c
[1] January 17 2015 - Killing Me Softly
[2] January 24 2015 - Before You Accuse Me
[3] January 30 2015 - Chord progression
[4] January 30, 2015 - Brown Eyed Girl


lunarscope
[1] January 31, 2015 - Three Little Birds
[2] January 31 2015 - Wild Thing
[3] March 13 2015 - What's Up
[4] April 27 2015 - That's Alright
[5] April 27 2015 - Brown Eyed Girl

ajmarch
[1] February 07, 2015 - What's Up (track now deleted)
[2] February 07 2015 - Common People (track now deleted)
[3] February 19 2015 - Back To December
[4] February 24 2015 - Back To December (take 2)


PW62
[1] April 16 2015 - Love Me Do
[2] April 17 2015 - Love Me Do (take 2)
[3] April 18 2015 - What's Going On
[4] April 20 2015 - Brown Eyed Girl
[5] April 21 2015 - I'd Rather Go Blind


Tobsen
[1] April 24 2015 - Killing Me Softly
[2] May 06 2015 - 12 bar blues in A
[3] May 27 2015 - Back To December
[4] May 30 2015 - Sitting On The Dock Of The Bay


randomlock
[1] June 28 2015 - Mad World
[2] July 28 2015 - Sweet Child Of Mine (intro)


ojr
[1]  August 03 2015 - The Drugs Don't Work


jonrob
[1] September 28 2015 - Killing Me Softly


JaminCat
[1] December 29 2015 - Mad World


Davdo
[1] January 30 2016 - Dock Of The Bay


Omar
[1] April 23 2016 - A and D chord changes
[2] May 01 2016 - Three Little Birds
[3] July 29 2016 - Fast Car
[4] August 17 2016 - Fast Car
[5] September 17 2016 - A Girl Like You


Jackl
[1] May 19 2016 - Mad World


asic
[1] May 22 2016 - A Girl Like You
[2] August 15 2016 - How To Save A Life


clutterfingers
[1] October 23 2016 - Voice


lihp8270
[1] November 20 2016 - Killing Me Softly
[2] November 26 2016 - Working Class Hero


Laila
[1] November 26 2016 - What's Up
[2] December 18 2016 - Chocolate Jesus
[3] January 13 2017  -Working Class Hero


The_Hodge75
[1] November 30 2016 - Three Little Birds


McCosta84
[1] December 10 2016 - Save Tonight
[2] January 13 2017 - Save Tonight (revisited)

zoglug
[1] January 03 2017 - Stand By Me
[2] January 03 2017 - Wonderwall


farshield
[1] January 08 2017 - Mad World
[2] January 23 2017 - House Of The Rising Sun
[3] February 14 2017 - The Gambler


Unsui
[1] February 05 2017 - I'd Rather Go Blind
[2] February 08 2017 - The Gambler
[3] March 01 2017 - Bad Moon Rising
[4] March 25 2017 - Hurt


willsie01
[1] February 26 2017 - Hurt
[2] April 02 2017 - The A Team


sdd56
[1] March 26 2017 - What's Up


vibranttrout
[1] June 23 2017 - Nothing Else Matters
[2] June 29 2017 - Nothing Else Matters (take 2)
[3] June 30 2017 - Banana Pancakes


PerryE
[1] October 06 2017 - Mad World (link now dead)
[2] October 06 2017 - Sing (link now dead)
[3] October 17 2017 - Mad World (take 2)
[4] October 17 2017 - Sing (take 2)


sdd56
[1] December 30 2017 - Last Christmas


sarah598
[1] March 08 2018 - Back To December


LeftyLoosy
[1] March 19 2018 - This Year's Love
[2] March 27 2018 - I Don't Wanna Live Forever (not in Beginner Songbooks)


daren.brown.16
[1] April 01 2018 - Perfect


The_Fien
[1] May 13 2018 - Three Little Birds
[2] May 17 2018 - I'd Rather Be Blind


silman
[1] August 30 2018 - Bad Moon Rising
[2] August 30 2018 - Hey Ya



PilgimPod
[1] November 05 2018 - Down On The Corner



OpsRes
[1] December 18 2018 - Chatahoochee (not in Beginner Songbooks)



Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: erichamion on October 06, 2014, 02:31:28 am
Well, we might as well get this started.  While this isn't technically the first media I've posted here, it's certainly the first actual playing.  I Walk the Line, or some approximation thereof.  I didn't use headphones, so the metronome is audible in the recording, which was intentional (although I didn't want it to record nearly that loudly).

Criticism is welcome.  I'm not sure whether I'm trying to push the tempo too high before I'm ready.  I know about the painfully slaughtered D chord in the second half, and it's not unusual (specifically for that chord) when I'm playing this song that way.

    https://soundcloud.com/erichamion/2014-10-05-i-walk-the-line
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: close2u on October 06, 2014, 06:37:19 am
@erichamion

Good Vibes given for posting and starting this thread rolling.
Early morning here so I will have to listen another time.


Edit after listening ... as Marcus suggests below ... a little out-of-time on some of the changes.
Try to strum so that you 'make the metronome disappear'.
Justin teaches the knack here - albeit with scale pattens - you can apply it to chordal strums too.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H1mlnUVYkNs

http://justinguitar.com/en/TE-403-TheDisappearingMetronomeTrick.php

It's coming along well so keep on practicing the same way.
:)
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: marcusmarkmus on October 06, 2014, 03:39:25 pm
That sounds good eric. I dont think its too fast for you at all imo, keep trying to get it perfect at that tempo. Some chords doesnt start perfectly on the beat, maybe due to chordchanges needing a little work. 
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: Rossco01 on October 06, 2014, 07:19:28 pm
Good start erichamion and a big plus for stepping up and recording.

Need to up the levels from a recording point of view but you sounded pretty on beat to me.. how long have you been playing? keep practicing you'll get there.
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: Sweed77 on October 07, 2014, 12:34:16 am
Nice first effort erichamion.  I didn't think the tempo was too fast for you.  As marcus suggests get it perfect at that tempo.  The strumming pattern you switched to in the second half didn't seem to throw you off at all and I could sing along to it, so that makes it a song :).  Good start.
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: erichamion on October 07, 2014, 03:37:13 am
Thanks for the replies, everyone.  :D
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: Rolandson on October 23, 2014, 10:36:43 am
there are a few mistakes in the song. I play it with the correct strummin but it doesn't sound right.

https://soundcloud.com/thewholedamntruth/california-dreaming (https://soundcloud.com/thewholedamntruth/california-dreaming)
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: Tim Mason on October 23, 2014, 11:05:34 am
Hi Rolandson

It probably doesn't sound right because you're hesitating between chord changes. This is perhaps because you're having to concentrate on the strumming pattern. So it may be helpful to go back to four downstrums for this song until you've got the chord changes drummed into your memory. But if you want to work on both at the same time, it'll sound a bit off until you've brought them together successfully.
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: Rolandson on October 23, 2014, 12:08:43 pm
thanks
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: Rossco01 on October 24, 2014, 09:24:47 pm
Good effort Rollandson. The intro almost sounds like it's there . You're not a million miles away with rest you just need to get comfortable with chord switches. My version isn't great ( as I think this is a tricky song ) but if you listen yours isn't far away.
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: Sweed77 on October 24, 2014, 11:21:58 pm
@ Rolandson

Dreamin is a tough one between the two bar strumming pattern, the push on the & count after the 4th beat in first bar, and bars that use F for only half the bar.  With chord changes not being smooth it is hard for me to tell but are you pushing the chord at the end of the first bar on the & upstrum after the 4th beat?  This one thing makes a huge difference in how the song sounds.  Jason explains it in video so if you haven't watched it check it out.  One example would be in the bar with the Am-G-F-G chord progression it should be like this..  Note how the F is played a half beat before the bar changes.


AM        G        F          F      G
D    D    D U    U          D      D U D
1 + 2 + 3 + 4 + / 1 + 2 +   3 + 4 +


In your recording the chords are clear and the problem is how quick you can make the changes and perhaps the push(?). As Tim said you could either go back to a simple 4 down to lock in the chord changes and then go back to the real pattern or, you can continue with the real pattern and know that it will be simply time and practice that will smooth things over.   

You're on the right track with the chords ringing pretty clear.  With some more practice you'll soon have the chord changes up to speed. 
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: floydnb on October 26, 2014, 08:56:46 am
Seeing the constant improvement of others in this thread is really encouraging so thanks everyone for posting. 

I think I'm almost ready to move onto stage 2 of the beginners course so I thought posting in this thread from the start will be a good way to keep me motivated. 

Anyways I've uploaded my first recording (three little birds) for stage 1. 
   
https://soundcloud.com/floydnb/three-little-birds-stage-1


All feedback welcome.   :)
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: close2u on October 26, 2014, 09:24:32 am
@ floydnb

Confident and clear strumming on the chords ... crisp changes ... there is nothing major to find fault with... everything is coming together nicely and as you progress through the next few stages you will improve more no doubt.
Well done.
Critique:
Sometimes the 4th strum, just before a chord change, is a little uncertain ... is this the anxious anticipation of having to shift your fingers? Maybe. It'll disappear with learning and practice.
Your tempo varies ever so slightly. Later stages introduce practice with a metronome. And as you improve ability you'll be able to keep up with the speed of the records and play along. These will improve your in-built rhythm / metronome. So again, you will see natural improvements if you 'stick with the program'.

Good Vibes to you and keep at it, good progress on Stage 1.
:)
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: Sweed77 on October 26, 2014, 01:09:45 pm
@ floydnb

Pretty much just going to echo Close2u.  Nice clear chords and changes, really quite nice for stage 1.  One of the first things I notice when I listen to a new players recording is whether or not it is easy to sing along with.  With smooth chord changes and pretty good tempo there is no problem doing that with your song.   Really well done for stage 1, keep at it. :)
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: pipsickle on October 26, 2014, 03:22:40 pm
Floyd - I agree that was very good for stage 1. I wouldn't have noticed the 'shaky' fourth strum but did catch it having read close's comment, but as he says I'm sure that will come with practice. Very confident strumming for this stage - well done!
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: Rossco01 on October 26, 2014, 03:44:52 pm
Welcome back Pip! Hope you had a lovely time and we all missed you.

Really nice Floyd and sounds like you're exactly where you should be at this stage. Keep going as you are and practicing in the same way. You'll soon be tackling more difficult stuff
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: floydnb on October 26, 2014, 09:49:28 pm
Thanks for the comments everyone it's really helpful to gauge my progress. 

@Close2u I hadn't notice the difference with the 4th strum until you mentioned it. I think you're 100% correct that I'm strumming with a little more hesitatation getting 'ready' for the chord change.  :)
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: Rolandson on October 27, 2014, 11:51:42 am
at Sweed77
ah that's the strumming pattern

AM        G        F          F      G
D    D    D U    U          D      D U D
1 + 2 + 3 + 4 + / 1 + 2 +   3 + 4 +

thanks
 I had
AM                              G
D    D    D U    U          D      D U D
1 + 2 + 3 + 4 + / 1 + 2 +   3 + 4 +
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: tobyjenner on October 27, 2014, 01:01:30 pm
WHATS UP 4 Non Blondes

Ok folks I know I'm BC8 going on 9 at the moment but have been going back over some of the earlier material. Normally I'd be happy to pump tracks out direct into AVOYP but a little unsure of this one, so Beginner SB it is. Timing seems a bit rough although using a metrnome (@135) and there a few missed up strums but as usual I'm always hard on myself.

    https://soundcloud.com/tobyjenner/whats-up-4nb

Played on my Squirerstrat for 2nd or 3rd time - much prefer this on the acoustic but struggling to get a recording set up for that at the moment.

Feedback welcome as always  8)
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: Borodog on October 27, 2014, 02:04:09 pm
@tobyjenner

Steady rhythm. Could use a lighter touch with some dynamics, and your level seemed blown out, but well done. I expected something much shoddier from your description. ;O)
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: SiegeFrog on October 27, 2014, 03:43:46 pm
tobyjenner

I happen to be working on this song at the moment too, so I was interested to hear your version. I'm not sure why, but it sounds different to me. I think you're using the strumming pattern from the book, and the changes and strumming sound good, but to my untrained ears, there's a difference. Are you using a capo? Which fret? Are you using G Am C G chord grips? I'm going to have to go back to the original and see what I'm missing. Maybe it's the tempo. 135 bpm seems a little fast. I've been playing it at 65 bpm as 16th notes, so that's about the same. When you listen to it next to the original, what do you hear?
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: stitch101 on October 27, 2014, 03:45:08 pm
@ tobyjenner
re:
WHATS UP 4 Non Blondes

Slow down to around 70bpm on your metronome. Your rushing the chord changes. Maybe try playing
along with the original video Justin has posted under the lesson video.


Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: tobyjenner on October 27, 2014, 07:13:39 pm
@Borodog - thanks. Just started recording via Guitar Rig and not quite got the settings right but I'll take on board touch and dynamics. One of my biggest problems is being heavy handed, as I drop the pick when I lighten things up. All about practice. And yes it could do with some accents :)

@stitch and Siege respectively
Chord progression GAmCG as you state, capo on 2nd as per BSB.
With both of your comments on tempo I think I've sussed out what I'm doing wrong, that, as stitch said, I'm rushing the chord changes and Seige
it sounds different to me.Maybe it's the tempo. 135 bpm seems a little fast. I've been playing it at 65 bpm as 16th notes, so that's about the same. When you listen to it next to the original, what do you hear?

Well I listened to the original again and realised that I was playing
G D+DUD+DU Am DUDU3UDU C D+DUD+DU G DUDU3UDU
not
G D+DUD+DU DUDU3UDU Am D+DUD+DU DUDU3UDU C D+DUD+DU DUDU3UDU G D+DUD+DU DUDU3UDU
so thats Seige 16th then. And seems more like the 4NBs original.

I need to go back to Justin's lesson as Stitch said and the accompanying video. The BSB shows the strumming pattern over 2 bars
Bar 1 D+DUD+DU Bar 2 DUDU3UDU
so I saw this a chord change for each bar.

I think this why I did not just drop this into the AVOYP thread on its own. Something did not sit right for me, so I'm grateful of the feedback. I'll give it a few days to absorb and analyse what I thinks going on, reviewing J's lesson and the many vids on Youtube to confirm the pattern.

Thank you Forum, forever helpful  8)



Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: tobyjenner on October 27, 2014, 08:15:38 pm
This would suggest 16ths at 63 bpm

http://www.musicnotes.com/sheetmusic/mtdFPE.asp?ppn=MN0027666

Tried it sounds better but recording was a bit shoddy. Need to sort that before a re-post 8)
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: SiegeFrog on October 28, 2014, 06:21:32 am
@ tobyjenner

I'm glad you got that sorted out. I was coming back to the thread to delete my response, as I felt it was a little negative and unhelpful. I think it's one of the few songs in the BSB that is not identified as a 16th note pattern when he converts it to an 8th note pattern. I also don't think he explicitly says it in the video, but he definitely plays the whole pattern for each chord. It's such a recognizable rhythm that when you get it right, you'll instantly know. Good luck. Maybe I'll get around to posting my version. I've been messing around with trying to play it as A Bm D A, but I just can't make the changes to and from Bm quick enough.
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: justinguitar on October 28, 2014, 09:48:25 am
@erichamion - great first recording dude. I think playing tighter with the metronome will just come with practice. When recording a good trick is to put the metronome in headphones so only you hear it and the mic doesn't pick it up! But great stuff :)
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: justinguitar on October 28, 2014, 09:52:05 am
@Rolandson - tough choice for a beginner that one, and what I'd recommend is making sure you play it in time before adding in the fancy strumming. Try just playing the 4 down strum versions along with a metronome and if you struggle to do that then you probably shouldn't be trying to add in the more complex strumming yet!

It's the pauses between chords you should be aiming to eliminate - but very well done :)
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: justinguitar on October 28, 2014, 09:53:31 am
@floydnb very nice sounding chords (and nice crisp sounding guitar btw!) you're doing great! certainly ready to rock stage 2!!
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: justinguitar on October 28, 2014, 09:56:39 am
@tobyjenner - you're doing great dude - certainly wouldn't be worrying about 'missing some up strums'- much more important to be keeping solid time, which you are doing!!

My one thought is that maybe you're strumming a little too hard, or perhaps using a too hard pick - try and be a little more delicate, even though it's a puky tune, I think a 20% lighter touch might make it's overall sound a lot better! Well done :)
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: tobyjenner on October 28, 2014, 01:05:05 pm
@ justinguitar - thanks for the input. As to strumming too hard I think you are spot on. I don't seem to be able to adopt a light tough and this was played using 0.5mm pick. Its something I'm going to have to work on during consolidation but have you made any lessons that indicate how to soften up ?

@Borodog - thanks. Just started recording via Guitar Rig and not quite got the settings right but I'll take on board touch and dynamics. One of my biggest problems is being heavy handed, as I drop the pick when I lighten things up. All about practice. And yes it could do with some accents :)

Or is it a case of practice practice practice, as my response above.

While I'm at it many thanks again for such a one stop shop for learning the guitar.
 8)
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: TheCasual on October 28, 2014, 01:20:12 pm
@Tobyjenner I'm not sure we're you're at, but in the IM course there are lessons on accenting different strums.

Uptill the a few weeks into the IM couldn't use anything other then .38mm Dunlop pick for strumming.

As I practising the accents I notice it made my whole touch a lot lighter. It kinda happened naturally.

Everyone is different so it may be something you have to work with.

 
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: tobyjenner on October 28, 2014, 01:31:58 pm
@TheCasual

I'm about to start BC9 and mainly working on BC6 songs, (F !!!) but go back over the early songs to practice RUST or the specific strumming patterns from the BSB. Thanks for the info re the IM. I might jump into a few lessons to see Hey what's going on (no pun) but intend to spend about a year consolidating to ensure my foundation is truly sound. As I said in another post "I've learnt more in the last 18 months than I had over the previous 18 years".  8)

Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: Rolandson on October 28, 2014, 02:52:27 pm
at justinguitar

thank you.
I will do that
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: Borodog on October 28, 2014, 06:20:25 pm
Toby,

Consciously focus on relaxing your hand and loosening your grip on the pick. If your hand has give, the pick can move out of the way of the string. If your hand has no give, the strjng is forced out of the way of the pick. The former yields softer notes than the latter.
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: tobyjenner on October 28, 2014, 06:29:49 pm
@Boro
Thanks for that sound advice. I know this is just a technique I need to learn so plan to try things real slow and record the outcome - for my own self analysis. I still do Forced Changes for those stubborn chords and have a range of different progressions for my RUST practice, so there's plenty of opportunity to take a softer approach. As TheCasual said there's coverage in the IM so I'll rattle on with the BC and once done work on this during Consolidation but have a look at some IM lessons in advance.

Cheers again for your support and input, much valued.

 8)
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: tobyjenner on October 28, 2014, 07:53:37 pm
WHATS UP - Recording 2

Ok folks here's another take, after sorting the strumming pattern out at 16ths and slowing down to 63 bpm.
Sounded ok so decided to record against a backing track I'd found. Softer picking attempted, hence me losing the grip around 2:10 and 3:00.................apologies to Linda Perry for what I have done !

    https://soundcloud.com/tobyjenner/whats-up-recording-2

Stayed for the whole journey this time. Boy that took concentration. Oh yeah this time on the Washburn HB30 via my Behringer GX110 to Audacity. 8)
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: stitch101 on October 28, 2014, 08:17:47 pm
Much better Toby.  8)  Good timing, chord changes where way better. You still seem a little tense but
I think you'll relax once you don't have to think about the rhythm.

How did you like playing with the recording instead of a metronome? I actually find it easier.
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: tobyjenner on October 28, 2014, 08:33:18 pm
Cheers Stitch. I think the tenseness comes from concentrating soo hard on keeping it all together. Yeah the backing track helped a lot, as I felt myself 'getting into it' and that helped with the accents - which seemed a little more noticeable - and for a while I just closed my eyes and when for it.....about 15 seconds before the 2:10 cluster "£$%.  8)
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: Rossco01 on October 29, 2014, 08:00:00 am
@tobyjenner Like it and sounds very good particularly with the backing track. Took me a while to get the strumming pattern right and then to be able to sing to it without losing it. Definitely one of those songs where you need to be on automatic in terms of playing.
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: Rossco01 on November 10, 2014, 08:45:29 pm
So seems like ages since I posted anything and feel like I'm getting out of the habit....BSB thread used to be my go to for anything in those early learning stages but for now I'll start to use this. So having moved through Stage 8 and 9 I'm now on the road to trying to put those good lessons to use.

So on this occasion the focus is on finger picking which for me is a first as up until now it's been strumming all the way. I have been practicing Hallelujah quite hard but it is tricky with the F thrown in... so picked up Everybody hurts to practice with a little (as easier chords).

A little warning in advance in that it's an early cut with not that much practice. There are some bum screechy notes which is as much about my finger picking technique as anything else but again the aim is to post early and then post something later when it's a little more polished so all those other beginners can see that you can - with practice - improve.

Everybody Hurts > https://soundcloud.com/rossco01/everybody-hurts-first-cut-guitar-only-10112014
   
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: Sweed77 on November 10, 2014, 10:14:41 pm
@ Rossco

Been awhile :)  Moving on to some finger-style, nice.  I've done a few finger-style songs, just finished Lovers Cross by Jim Croce, and am finding it to be one of my favorite things to do. 

Obviously being the first time for fingerstyle its going to be a bit rough.  Other than the occasional hitting the bass string too hard and some hesitation on chord changes it sounds pretty good with crisp clear notes.  I'm sure though it won't take you long to smooth it out.  I'm looking forward to hearing it with the vocal when you are ready.  I think this one is going to fit your voice nicely :)

Are you still playing Hallelujah too?  I'd stay at it too to keep after that bar F.  Unless of course you don't have time.  My biggest issue with finger style and bar F was getting the bar down quick enough to let the bass E ring out.  I had many of them come out muted being too slow on getting the bar down and still do on occasion :), though it has improved greatly.

 
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: tobyjenner on November 10, 2014, 11:07:55 pm
Rossco nicely done for a first, Funny enough tried to look at the lesson the other night but the link dead endend. Left hand right hand coordination is real hard when embarking on fingerstyle to  start with but you're doing ok. Your analysis shows your aware this first cut will need polishing but at least you're comfortable to jump in and say hey in time more to come. Good start........long way of thinking about posting my efforts on Fasts Car rendition - very cumbersome at present :(

Cheers

Toby
 8)
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: McLabraid on November 11, 2014, 01:40:41 am
Hey! here is my instrumental version of "Wild Thing" by the Troggs.
The strumming pattern is different then suggested and I am using an unplugged bass for it.
would like some feedback :)

   
https://soundcloud.com/mclabraid/wild-thing-cover
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: TB-AV on November 11, 2014, 04:36:44 am
@McLabraid

That ain't bad dodad.... got to give you originality points for the unplugged bass. Can't say I've ever run into that one before.
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: Rossco01 on November 11, 2014, 08:24:10 am
Good effort McLabraid sounds different but still got the Wild Thing essence.
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: Rossco01 on November 11, 2014, 08:26:54 am
Cheers Sweed and Toby. I'm keeping Hallelujah going (posted a really really rough cut on my soundcloud) but there is nowhere to hide with fingerstyle so if you've got a bum chord fingering or you fluff the pattern you hear it straight away. I'd agree moving quickly enough on F whilst maintaining a good chord is pretty tricky. As with everything on guitar though it's just about how much you want to practice it. If you do enough you get there eventually. There is just so much to learn.
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: Rolandson on November 11, 2014, 11:08:42 am
https://soundcloud.com/thewholedamntruth/california-dreaming-1 (https://soundcloud.com/thewholedamntruth/california-dreaming-1)
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: Borodog on November 11, 2014, 07:43:48 pm
@ Rolandson

re: California Dreaming

Nice tone and everything clean but the rhythm is still somewhat haphazard. More practice!
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: Tim Mason on November 11, 2014, 08:07:37 pm
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the rhythm is still somewhat haphazard.

I think that's where you slipped the grip on your pick?
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: Rolandson on November 12, 2014, 01:22:52 pm
at Tim Mason and Borodog.

Borodog is right. I still have to practice but I'm getting better
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: de_conne on November 12, 2014, 03:22:07 pm
@Rossco,

Very nice. First fingerpicking but sounds like you practiced it already a lot. Bum notes here and there but nothing a little practice won't fix.

Nice song btw, has Justin a lesson on this? Would love to do that also some day.

Keep it up!

@Rolandson,

Nice try at (according to Justin) one of the most difficult songs in the BS book. Like others said, you haven't got the rythm down yet, and I have to agree.  Sure, It's a very difficult rythm, but Justin explains it well in the video. Most important advice I can give is to slow waaaaaay down, get the rythm right and then start to speed up again. That's the way I managed to get the rythm right. P.S. There are some pushed chords which doesn't make it any easier ;-).

But still, great effort!

regards,
de_conne
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: Rolandson on November 12, 2014, 03:33:10 pm
at de_conne

thanks. You right about slowing it down.
I don't know why but slowing a song down is pretty hard for me.

the strumming pattern I use right now is
 Am   G
D D DUDU
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: Tim Mason on November 12, 2014, 04:37:30 pm
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I don't know why but slowing a song down is pretty hard for me.

Are you using a metronome?
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: BadOmega on November 12, 2014, 04:51:31 pm
@rossco Sounds good! not much practice huh? Can't wait to hear hallelujah.

@McLabraid I have never heard an unplugged bass, and it's been awhile since I heard Wild Thing, but it sounded neat.

@Rolandson So much better this time. It sounds like it's almost there. Woo hoo!
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: BadOmega on November 12, 2014, 04:58:52 pm
Are you using a metronome?

I'm not sure why Rolandson has a hard time slowing down a song but for me it's hard to strum that slow.

I set my metronome at 40-45  bpm which is about the max where I still change chords without pausing but the strumming feels like waiting waiting waiting okay STRUM! waiting waiting waiting... I don't know why that is.

Actually feels easier without the metronome but my rhythm is probably all over the place, because I think I am pausing a little when I change chords.
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: Greenish on November 12, 2014, 05:09:06 pm
I need a metronome to slow down, but even at 60bpm it's hard because my thoughts start to drift. 40-45bpm sounds impossible to me...
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: Borodog on November 12, 2014, 05:26:01 pm
Playing extremely slowly is indeed very difficult and can be counterproductive. Basically there is a point below which it is impossible for your internal clock to keep steady time.
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: stitch101 on November 12, 2014, 05:33:45 pm
@ BadOmega

When using a metronome that slow try counting between the beats 1 2 3 4and 1 2 3 4and start your
chord change on the and and hit it on the 1. Strum 2 3 4change Strum 2 3 4change. This will help with
eliminating the pause between changes.
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: Rolandson on November 12, 2014, 06:55:38 pm
@ BadOmega

exactly. Chord changing isn't the big problem besides changing from G to F. I wwill use a metronome tomorrow. Let's see how that works
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: Tim Mason on November 12, 2014, 09:53:29 pm
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Actually feels easier without the metronome but my rhythm is probably all over the place

Yes and yes. I resisted using one (got nachrul riddim, innit) but should not have done so. Had to go back to basics on strumming.
Title: Beginner's Thread
Post by: BadOmega on November 13, 2014, 04:35:43 pm
When using a metronome that slow try counting between the beats 1 2 3 4and 1 2 3 4and start your
chord change on the and and hit it on the 1. Strum 2 3 4change Strum 2 3 4change. This will help with
eliminating the pause between changes.

Thank you! I will try that.

@ Tim Mason- ha! Nachrul . That's why I try to think like I don't know anything even when I really believe I do. A beginner's mind is an open mind.

@ Greenish- it certainly feels next to impossible, but most of this guitar stuff feels like that to me.
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: Rolandson on December 01, 2014, 01:36:28 pm
California Dreamin'

https://soundcloud.com/thewholedamntruth/california-dreamin (https://soundcloud.com/thewholedamntruth/california-dreamin)
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: BadOmega on December 05, 2014, 12:19:22 pm
@ Rolandson
Doing better, I think. The stutters are less noticeable. I think you're at that place where it's good enough the improvements are going to be smaller. 

It sounds pretty.
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: dbrx on December 07, 2014, 05:55:00 pm
Didn't really think I was ready for posting vids of me yet, but with an empty house this morning I thought "what the hell!" So just to make you all feel better about your singing, here goes...

Obviously, my signing is terrible (but luckily not very load) and I'm stumbling a bit on the changes still. This is mostly because I don't actually know the songs too well yet and I'm still having to read the lyrics and keep an eye on the chords.

But from the guitar side I'm pretty happy. It was less than 3 weeks ago I found this site and picked up the guitar!







Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: BadOmega on December 07, 2014, 07:41:51 pm
I don't know why a seemingly simple thing like strumming is so hard?  I've been working on I walk the Line for about a month and it hasn't gotten any better for the last two weeks at least. I think it may be time to let it go and focus on something else. Then, magically, when I come back it will be easier, right? (Or not so magically, actually a lot of hard work.)

When I'm strumming it sounds like I have dead notes but when I stop and pick it out they are all ringing so I think it's the strumming that's the problem.  I'm also hitting too many strings sometimes on A and D and I can hear a hesitation at at least one point during the changes. What else?

https://soundcloud.com/vanillomega/i-walk-the-line

   
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: Cataract on December 07, 2014, 07:57:47 pm
@BadOmega

Well I dunno, but yours changes seem to be smooth and even. Of course there is a lot to improve, but it is not as bad as you think it is.

I practice scales, chords, songs, techniques etc everyday and I can tell you that everything is connected, so if you find playing same thing all over again, you can try something else and you will still improve in that earlier things as well (in my opinion at least).
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: BadOmega on December 07, 2014, 09:29:54 pm
@ Cataract

That's what I'm hoping since I seem to be stuck on this one. Doing something different will unstick it.  At the very least I will have progress on something else.
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: Cataract on December 07, 2014, 10:39:51 pm
@ dbrx

It's very nice for just a 3 weeks! I won't say a word about your singing, cause I don't do it myself and I honestly have no clue how to improve it (beside of practising it, lol), but from a guitar point of view it's good. I've seen that you don't even need to look at your hands when you change chords, and it's a huge achievement in such short time!

One thing you may consider - try to tap your foot, it helps with rhythm.
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: BadOmega on December 07, 2014, 11:05:04 pm
@ dbrx


That is really good for three weeks. I can't actually hear the singing, but the playing is good.
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: SiegeFrog on December 08, 2014, 04:55:38 pm
@dbrx

Sounded pretty good to me. Echoing Cataract, you should be tapping your foot, it will help your rhythm. You appear to be pausing a little at the bottom of your downstrum. This might be because of the slower tempo, but you want your strumming hand moving evenly throughout the motion.

@BadOmega

Strumming is not as easy as it seems. I think that's why Justin emphasizes keeping it simple for the first few stages. 4 downstrums per bar. Keep it simple. Keep it even. Keep your hand moving. Tap your foot. I know for me that it wasn't until about Stage 4 that I had an epiphany with strumming that smoothed it all out for me. One day it just kinda clicked in place. I didn't do anything different; it just started working better. Part of it was getting faster with the changes definitely. Really, I think it was relaxing and not worrying about it too much. When I stopped stressing about the changes, they came easier and didn't distract from my strumming. Also, you'll find it's easier to strum at 80-100 BPM than at 60 BPM. This assumes your changes are up to speed. The phrase I used to tell myself was Right Hand Rules. This was to remind myself that the right hand was more important than the left. Getting the chord change right is important, but strumming in good time is more important. Keep practicing, but realize it's not as easy as it seems, and it may take a little longer than you think to get it right. When you do, you'll know.

In the meantime, here's some food for thought:

http://justinguitar.com/en/QT-008-ItsALLAboutRhythm.php (http://justinguitar.com/en/QT-008-ItsALLAboutRhythm.php)

http://justinguitar.com/en/BC-145-ForcingChanges.php (http://justinguitar.com/en/BC-145-ForcingChanges.php)
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: Rossco01 on December 08, 2014, 08:34:17 pm
@DBRX for such a short period playing it sounds very good,  particularly as you're singing as well. Keep practicing and recording look forward to tracking your progress in coming months
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: Rossco01 on December 08, 2014, 08:36:48 pm
@bad omega all sounds fine to me given where you are.  Nothing different to my early stuff. It'll soon feel a lot more natural.
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: BadOmega on December 09, 2014, 02:54:23 am
@ SiegeFrog

Thank you! My changes are only at ~ 50 per minute for these chords. People keeping pointing out forcing the changes maybe I should start listening and give it a try.  Right Hand Rules-- I like that!

@Rossco -- I actually went and listened to your Three Little Birds before posting. I think you were doing better than me but hearing your progress helped me keep my chin up yesterday. Thanks.
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: Drubbing on December 09, 2014, 03:10:00 am
I don't know why a seemingly simple thing like strumming is so hard? 

Simple doesn't always = easy.

AC/DC rhythm riffs are a good example. A lot of simple open chords, not any challenging strumming. But they're tricky rhythms and fast changes. None of it really difficult. Til you try and put it together as they do.

For me, learning songs via strumming patterns was like pulling teeth. I went the old school way and listened to the rhythms played and then tried to copy them by ear, rather than analysing where the downs and ups were. I realise the way Justin teaches it is to get people started, and that seems to work for most. That 'mechanical' approach just made me stutter.
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: BadOmega on December 09, 2014, 02:56:58 pm
@drubbing Fast changes definitely make the strumming harder, mostly when the strings I'm supposed to be hitting change. Particularly the change to D. I tend to catch on the D string. I have not put a lot of focus on just strumming The D Chord and I think I probably need to do that.

I'm not sure I understand what you mean by the mechanical approach. Separating things out and learning then independent of the other?
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: Drubbing on December 09, 2014, 03:05:21 pm
I found the written - DDuuD etc - approach to learning strumming, mechanical. it came more naturally to me to listen and copy. I can't hear a rhythm when it's written on a page.
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: BadOmega on December 09, 2014, 03:20:48 pm

I found the written - DDuuD etc - approach to learning strumming, mechanical. it came more naturally to me to listen and copy. I can't hear a rhythm when it's written on a page.

Oh, I see. I haven't tried paying along with anything yet. More adventures await.
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: dbrx on December 09, 2014, 07:12:39 pm
Thanks for the kind replies.

The kids bought me a capo for my birthday so I've started learning some of the other songs - ie more from my kind of era. Knowing the songs better and strumming harder/louder seems to be making things a bit easier. I'll post some more clips soon, and I promise to leave the singing out! ;D
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: pipsickle on December 09, 2014, 09:06:28 pm
Don't leave the singing out dbrx :)

I would say that knowing songs well makes a huge difference to how easy it is to learn them.  As others have said getting the changes smooth and the foot tapping will help. But that is fantastic for just 3 weeks in!

I would also say as someone who has been posting songs here for a few months that your singing will really improve as you practice as well.

I'm hoping he won't mind me pointing you his way, but one of the regular posters here - Rossco - has been posting songs since quite early in the BC. You should check out his soundcloud and compare his playing and vocals in the early days to his recent songs - he is so good at both now :)

https://soundcloud.com/rossco01

BadOmega - really I think that is fine for where you are. You will improve 'naturally' with more practice, no need to fixate too much, just keep with the programme :)
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: BadOmega on December 09, 2014, 10:37:22 pm

no need to fixate too much, just keep with the programme :)

But.... Fixating is what I do best.
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: phx1973 on December 10, 2014, 12:54:54 am
Hi all. I am both proud and a little scared to be posting my first ever recording. As many others have done I am starting with three little birds -- probably the song I am most comfortable with. I have been lurking this forum for a while now but am now ready to jump right in. I look forward to any comments or criticisms you may have.

I find it interesting how recording and then listening to your own playing can tell you so much. I had no idea how slow my singing and playing was until now. Kind of goes along with my personality, I suppose. Most people see me as pretty laid back.

Anyway, I look forward to posting more as I progress through BC...hopefully improving as I go.

Happy playing!

   
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: phx1973 on December 10, 2014, 01:15:56 am
@DBRX

Nice job with those videos, especially considering you've only been doing it for three weeks. I've in for about the same amount of time and loving it.
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: Numbnuts on December 10, 2014, 02:14:28 am
@ phx1973

Nice work phx1973. As a beginner here too I don't really have critique for you other than to say well done for posting a recording. I'm trying to muster the courage to do the same. Might have a go at the weekend if I'm feeling brave enough!

I have to say, having only found the forum last week and spending way to much time, (when I should be working) browsing it, see people of all levels posting up their recordings is awesome!
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: Drubbing on December 10, 2014, 02:26:11 am
Do it. No one will humiliate you, and you will get good advice to help improve.

I took nearly 3 years to post audio, but I just didn't get round to recording myself til earlier this year.
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: Numbnuts on December 10, 2014, 02:30:24 am
@ Drubbing

Thanks for the encouragement...

...and without wanting to derail the thread too much just wanted to say a quick thanks from a beginner to all involved with the website & forum, what a fantastic resource. I've progressed more in the last couple of weeks going through the first couple of beginners lessons than I ever have in probably 15 years of picking up the guitar every year or so and getting as far as learning one or two buzzy, inaccurate chords then giving up again.
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: BadOmega on December 10, 2014, 02:44:24 am
@phx1973- It sounds good to me. There were a few places where it sounded like you stopped strumming, I think. I confess, I was mostly listening to the singing. (oops)

I look forward to hearing your progress.

@numbnuts- I look forward to hearing yours too. You can doooo eeeeeet
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: phx1973 on December 10, 2014, 03:27:05 am
@ Numbnuts


I totally agree! Seeing other beginners struggling to make A-D-E chord changes (well, you get the idea) has actually motivated me to keep going. There is something about realizing that others are going through the challenges that makes you feel better about your own progress. Good luck
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: phx1973 on December 10, 2014, 06:03:37 pm

@phx1973- It sounds good to me. There were a few places where it sounded like you stopped strumming, I think. I confess, I was mostly listening to the singing. (oops)

Thanks for the comments! I probably stopped strumming because of the singing. Doing both the first time out may have been overestimating my guitar competency. Square 1 has to start somewhere, right?


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Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: torikoos on December 10, 2014, 08:33:40 pm
well done on everyone posting their recordings etc here. I would like to do the same, but I currently have no means of inputting any sound or audio, not owning a webcam, or even a microphone that I could plug in at this time. Will see if I can find one soon.  I am ever so slightly ahead of being an absolute beginner. In fact I'm at the end of the beginners course (but I skipped the songs), and now going back to the beginning starting with some of the songs, it's just they way I wanted to do it and see if that would work for me, time will tell :-)

Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: close2u on December 10, 2014, 08:42:01 pm
@phx1973
Good first post ... and its value will only be fully revelaed as you continue to learn and make yourself into a better player ... then you can listen back and marvel at your progress.
I hear mostly good clean chords with chord changes coming on time.
Can't ask for much more after such a little time - especially with you singing at the same time.
Good stuff.
Good vibes to you
:)
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: de_conne on December 10, 2014, 10:53:22 pm
well done on everyone posting their recordings etc here. I would like to do the same, but I currently have no means of inputting any sound or audio, not owning a webcam, or even a microphone that I could plug in at this time. Will see if I can find one soon.  I am ever so slightly ahead of being an absolute beginner. In fact I'm at the end of the beginners course (but I skipped the songs), and now going back to the beginning starting with some of the songs, it's just they way I wanted to do it and see if that would work for me, time will tell :-)
Dont skip the songs...
Whats the point in Learning guitar if You cant play a song?
You are not ahead, im affraid... Your behind ...

Go and learn songs, It's not to late;-)

Regards,
De_conne
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: BadOmega on December 11, 2014, 12:26:23 am
@torikoos I recorded mine with my phone an emailed it to myself.

I have a microphone on my computer and audacity but every time I tried that way my playing got even worse.
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: Numbnuts on December 11, 2014, 12:56:10 am
OK, here we go. First ever recording. A small section of "What's Going On", 4 Non Blondes.

I dropped the ball a bit at the start with a wrong chord and my strumming needs some (read "a lot") of work, but I'm happy with progress so far.

Mouth-to-strum-to-chord co-ordination not there enough to sing yet, as soon as I open my mouth my arms simply stop moving!! so you're all spared from my Teesside 'Boro' drone, for now.....

Anyway, this is me about 4 weeks into the beginners course and on about lesson 3 or 4 from memory (up to Am Dm & C7 G7 lessons).

Waiting for my RUST DVD and Beginners Songbook to arrive, (hopefully before Christmas break so I have time to digest and practice it).

Recorded on the iPhone with no external mic, just the phone.

   
https://soundcloud.com/numbnutsguitar/whats-going-on
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: Drubbing on December 11, 2014, 01:11:22 am
I wish I was doing that at 4 weeks.

Strumming is very good for where you're at. You've got a good rhythm and the tempo is pretty even - many people struggle with this, and that's why their tunes sound a bit all over the place. You played a song.

Don't attempt singing for a while.

Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: Numbnuts on December 11, 2014, 01:18:51 am
Thanks Drubbing. 4 weeks is a slight exaggeration in the sense that I have owned a guitar for years. Every couple of years I pick it up and play the same G C D A E chords in some form or other, then get bored and it fades away again.

Since finding Justin Guitar I've become massively enthusiastic about actually learning to play, and not just repeating the same basic chords ad infinitum.

This was, however, the first time I've attempted any kind of structured strumming pattern rather than just free styling a few basic chords.

I'm going to set aside the weekend to go back through the first 3-4 lessons properly again as I skipped the ear training and the metronome, mainly due to not having a good space at home to set up properly so I've been running the lessons from scraps of paper and concentrating on 1 minute changes.

Cheers.
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: Drubbing on December 11, 2014, 01:41:02 am
Ah that's cheating. In that case, you're crap and need to lift your game…

Seriously, the strumming is pretty natural, the chords changes smooth. I think you've just got to stick at it consistently. Little and often (everyday preferably) not big slabs of time 2-4 days a week.

The problem with your previous approach is there's no structure, even if you're picking random covers off YT to copy. You've no idea if it's within your capabilities or not. Justin's course builds logically and even tells you what to practice.

As for 'formal' strum patterns, I know Justin's RUST has dozens of them, but there's not that many that get used a lot. Even the percussive mutes are just rhythmic variations on a handful of patterns.

I'm playing as many songs as I can at present, and feel I'm cheating or 'stuck' because nearly everything I choose seems to be DDuuD. But the different chords, changes mid beat, rhythms and tempos mean they're all clearly different tunes. I also tend to throw in my own variations on patterns with tunes I know well, and if it sounds good, it is good.

Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: Numbnuts on December 11, 2014, 01:58:14 am
Ah that's cheating. In that case, you're crap and need to lift your game…

Lol, yep! Seriously though, that was the first time I'd played anything that sounded remotely musical to me, so I whipped out the phone and hit record. I seem to have gone backwards a bit since then, (that was about 4 nights ago?).

Little and often (everyday preferably) not big slabs of time 2-4 days a week.

Absolutely. I've been doing 20-30 minutes every day. Basically, as per practice schedules. 5 minutes chord practice, 5 minutes finger warm up. 1 minute changes then just messing about for a bit. Most of my 1 minute changes are up at the 60 mark, there's a few in there I'm still working on before I move on to the next lesson, and as I say, I want to go back over and play with metronome and do the ear training before I go to the next lesson too.

The problem with your previous approach is there's no structure, even if you're picking random covers off YT to copy. You've no idea if it's within your capabilities or not. Justin's course builds logically and even tells you what to practice.

Couldn't agree more! Finding this site has been a revelation. I'd play simple 3 chord John Denver type songs here and there, but that was it as far as it went. Every time I sat down to "practice" I'd just filter out an "easy" song on Ultimate Guitar and skip anything that had a chord I didn't know, (most of them). So, it just meant I basically played the same 3 chords in varying patterns and falling into the trap of practicing what you can do, not what you can't. Following a structured routine and actually learning something before you move on has been great. Flicking through the forum and listening to peoples sound clouds from beginner to 12 months in has been fantastic, it really helps keep you motivated knowing that it is possible to learn to play with the right teacher and right structure.

Can't wait to get home from work tonight and get these last couple of 1 minute changes nailed....
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: Drubbing on December 11, 2014, 02:15:03 am
I'm sure you'll make a lot of progress quickly. you've got some good basics to build on already. Give it 6 months of following the course and you'll be playing stuff you never thought you could do.
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: Numbnuts on December 11, 2014, 02:19:04 am
@ Drubbing l

Thanks man.
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: phx1973 on December 11, 2014, 03:05:12 am
@ Numbnuts

Good job here. We are about the same as I am about 5 weeks into the program. Interestingly, I am now going back and starting to record songs from the first few weeks before I move on any more. I think it will help me get to where I need to be with my chord changes. Keep up the good work.
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: phx1973 on December 11, 2014, 03:06:39 am
@ close2u
Thanks for the comments. I appreciate it. It's great that this forum is so supportive and helpful.
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: close2u on December 11, 2014, 06:36:39 am
@ Numbnuts
Looking forward to more (from a fellow Teessider) as you follow the structure of the BC.
Your first recording shows lots of potential with chord changes and rhythm all coming along.
:)
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: Numbnuts on December 11, 2014, 06:45:21 am
@close2u Thanks mate. I managed to "escape" the Boro in 2007 and fled to the land down under, been in Melbourne ever since. I haven't been back at all since I left, weirdly. Didn't intend not to come back to visit, but time has just sort of gotten away. I do miss the place, (30 years on the same estate Marton/Nunthorpe).
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: Rossco01 on December 11, 2014, 08:19:18 am
@Numbnuts good start to "What's going on" . It's got a pretty tricky strumming pattern as I recollect and this one took me ages to get anywhere half decent (let alone add singing) so a big +1 for getting this one down. Probably just need to get the timing more even (use a metronome or tap the foot) and the strumming a little tighter. I'd carry on practicing this until the rhythm is absolutely second nature THEN try adding some vocal to it.
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: Rolandson on December 11, 2014, 01:07:17 pm
I'm pretty sure I was better when I didn't record the song
california dreaming.
https://soundcloud.com/thewholedamntruth/california-dreaming2 (https://soundcloud.com/thewholedamntruth/california-dreaming2)

Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: phx1973 on December 11, 2014, 03:49:14 pm
I've worked my way all the way up to Stage 5, but realized I haven't done a good enough job of playing songs in each section. Since I posted Three Little Birds a couple days ago I decided I will continue recording one song from each of the other stages (2,3,4,5) -- then I will move on.

Stage 2 recording here (Wild Thing). I feel like it doesn't sound as good as it could have. I was being a little quiet on the electric on purpose. My kids were asleep and unfortunately my guitar and amp are right across the hall from them. haha. I have a hard time with that G6 chord and then putting down the A chord. Fingers just don't come down in a perfect A chord every time. Oh well, something to work on, I suppose.

Wild Thing
   
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https://soundcloud.com/tosh1973/wednesday-09-51-pm
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: Numbnuts on December 11, 2014, 08:14:51 pm
Nice work Rolandson & phx1973.

@phx1973 - I'm with you mate, I'm up to stage 4 but haven't bothered too much with any of the songs aside from a bit of What's Up, so I'm also going back to the start and will record one or two from each stage before I move on.

I struggled with 3 Little Birds last night mind, I seem to find slower tempo, all down strum harder than a faster tempo strum timing wise. I seem to drift off mid way through and then my timing goes to pot.
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: phx1973 on December 11, 2014, 09:03:29 pm
@Numbnuts

Re: Three Little Birds. You mentioned having difficulty with tempo. You might try using a metronome if you haven't yet. As I said in my original recording, I was shocked at how slow I sounded. BPM of about 76 seems about right, which is way faster than felt natural to me at first. Just a suggestion.
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: Numbnuts on December 11, 2014, 09:20:39 pm
@phx1973 thanks bud, definitely going to start with the metronome. I've some spare time this weekend so going to set up my stall properly, I grabbed a music stand and I'll commandeer some space in the spare bedroom so I can get set up a bit better. Back to the first lessons then, work back through them again with metronome, foot tapping and do the ear training before I move on to the next stages. I have sneaked forward a little, just to get a jump start on my F barre, other than that I want to get the early beginner lessons nailed with some of their corresponding songs before moving on.

A buddy is coming over tonight, he's a guitar genius. When he leaves I'll either be even more inspired and motivated to progress, or feel totally inadequate and chuck the acoustic on the fire. We'll see what happens, (I'm tipping inspiration).
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: phx1973 on December 12, 2014, 01:58:46 am
Stage 3 - Mad World.

   
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https://soundcloud.com/tosh1973/thursday-08-25-pm
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: Rossco01 on December 12, 2014, 08:21:11 am
Good one Phx1973. Had a listen to all of your tracks today and thought you show good progress. Personally I think getting three or fours songs under the belt from the BSB is key to getting some good progress. It's also a lot more fun.
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: de_conne on December 12, 2014, 10:29:42 am
Hey guys!

I listened to most of your songs! I can't follow, commenting on every single track here.

Just wanted to say you're doing great! Keep recording, keep practicing, keep sharing!

Before you know it you'll be tackling Hendrix solo's ;)

regards,
de_conne
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: phx1973 on December 13, 2014, 05:21:04 pm
@ de_conne

Thanks! I must say these forums, particularly this thread, have really complemented my learning progress in Justin's Beginners Course. I have found cases in which I thought I knew the song well enough for a particular stage. But after recording it I realized I wasn't happy and need to keep working. It is making the course take longer but will be beneficial to my playing in the end.
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: Sweed77 on December 13, 2014, 06:51:35 pm
Haven't been in this thread nearly enough lately.  You guys are progressing nicely!

@ Numbnuts 

Very nice on What's Going On.  Your small head start on playing shows here, nothing wrong with that. Look forward to hearing this when you get your vocal and playing together in synch.

@ rolandson

Showing more progress on a hard to play California Dreaming.  Keep at it, it's getting there.

Phx1973

Nice sound coming from your guitar too.  It is a good decision by you to start recording songs at each level.  It is not only fun but a good teacher too.  Don't worry about how long it takes to get through BC.  The foundation is the important thing.
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: phx1973 on December 13, 2014, 08:15:42 pm
I will definitely take that advise. Thanks Sweed.
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: dbrx on December 14, 2014, 12:50:33 pm
Sorry about the crappy recording, but here's an attempt at playing along with this years love:
   
https://soundcloud.com/dbcrx/this-years-love
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: BadOmega on December 14, 2014, 10:32:41 pm
I'm pretty sure I was better when I didn't record the song

It's weird how that happens, huh? Nervous?

@numbnuts- good job!


@phx1973- Also a good job. I especially like wild thing. I have actually had a hard time getting motivated to practice any of the songs in Stage 2 but maybe I will try that. Someday.

@dbrx- Sounds good for only playing… four weeks now, right?
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: Drubbing on December 15, 2014, 01:05:30 am
Good changes for 4 weeks. I'd suggest working on your strumming, you seem to be strumming very hard with a thin pick, and so make an audible click on each string, as you can hear this over the top of the amp.
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: phx1973 on December 15, 2014, 01:10:41 am
I walk the line - guitar and vocals

One problem I am finding is by the time I get to the end of song I lose the pick in my hand and need to readjust. I have gone back to Justin's post about how to hold a pick but am still not sure why this is happening. It seems to be a new phenomenon. I might be holding it too tight. I think this led to the chords not sounding quite as good as in some of the other songs I've done recently.

   
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: Rossco01 on December 15, 2014, 08:20:39 am
@dbrx Good attempt at this years love. It's a tricky one with plenty of chord changes. Not too much hesitation and just concentrate on getting the strumming even.

@phx1973 Nice and clear recording. Good to see singing and playing coming together. What strumming pattern are you using?  would be interested to see how it sounds with just down strums at this stage.
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: phx1973 on December 15, 2014, 06:54:26 pm

@phx1973 Nice and clear recording. Good to see singing and playing coming together. What strumming pattern are you using?  would be interested to see how it sounds with just down strums at this stage.

Hey Rossco, thanks for that. For walk the line I used the strumming as Justin writes it out in the songbook for boom-chik-a- boom. I think that is down strum on beat 1. Then DUD on beats 2 + 3. Then maybe a DU on 4 +. I don't remember exactly. I know it didn't exactly give that train sound when I did it...so you might be right that all down strums might be better. Eventually I would like to get to the alternating bass line thing, but obviously I am a far way off from there.

I appreciate the comment. I made me think maybe I should try all down strums now and see how it compares. 
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: dbrx on December 15, 2014, 07:20:05 pm
Good changes for 4 weeks. I'd suggest working on your strumming, you seem to be strumming very hard with a thin pick, and so make an audible click on each string, as you can hear this over the top of the amp.
I have noticed the pick sounding a bit raspy. It probably sounds worse on the recording because I didn't actually have the amp connected, just had the mic in front of the guitar. Is that the problem and there's nothing to worry about or am I strumming too hard, or should I be using a harder pick now? I've been using a 0.5 as it's the thinnest I've got.

Working on strumming could be good for a while actually as I need to give my left hand a rest for a while. Combination of the guitar and work (lots of sanding and machine polishing) is giving me some issues at the moment.
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: Sweed77 on December 15, 2014, 09:22:57 pm
@ phx1973

Good job with Walk the Line.  Nice to hear you give the singing a go and the chord changes are pretty smooth.  The boom-chik-a- boom looks like it should be easy but it's just not :)  I found it to be the hardest pattern to do in the BC and I grew up listening to Cash so it's not like I didn't know what it should sound like.  I'm still working at being able to hit it consistently enough to record using it.
                                   
One thing you could try with boom-chik-a- boom to dress up the song would be to just pick the bass string on beats 1 and 3.   
So use  B  DUB  DU with B=6th string on E, 5h on A, and 4th on D.  You don't have to walk the bass yet just pick it on 1 and 3.

I'll also pass on a suggestion given to me when I was recording Walk the Line.  Instead of doing a full boom-chik-a- boom just do a boom-chik like this

1+2+3+4+
B  D  B   D 

If you look on my soundcloud you'll see I have a couple of recordings of Walk the Line both recorded using this simple pattern.  It really does sound quite nice and essentially the same as doing only 4 downstrums.  Only difference is 1 and 3 are picks and 2 and 4 are strums.   
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: phx1973 on December 16, 2014, 12:25:44 am
@Sweed77

Thanks for the boom-chik-a-lite  suggestion. I am definitely going to try that!


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Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: phx1973 on December 16, 2014, 02:30:12 am
Stage 4 - Killing Me Softly With His Song

That darn B7 chord still gets the best of me! haha. Anyway, let me know your thoughts. This song really intimidated me when I first saw it so I am glad just to be playing it. Just played through the chorus and verse once since they just repeat and I wasn't singing.

This is post #5. Does that make me a beginners thread graduate?

   
https://soundcloud.com/tosh1973/monday-09-11-pm
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: Numbnuts on December 16, 2014, 02:46:26 am
@phx1973 Nice work, does that mean you get your own personal beginners thread now then?  ;)

Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: close2u on December 16, 2014, 06:32:22 am
@phx1973
Re: Killing Me Softly

Good attempt. It is hard to get that one to flow, bounce, groove, glide.
And there have been whole threads of discsussion about how hard B7 was to learn so you are not alone there.
It's all coming along nicely so keep on keepin' on.

Congrats on graduating yourself outta here!
 :)
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: phx1973 on December 17, 2014, 05:54:42 pm
@close2u

Thanks. I plan to continue to post my recordings to the wider audio /video section of the forums. Im working in Folsum Prison Blues now. I'm a big Cash fan so this one is fun for me.

Ps- I checked out your YT page today. Lots of good stuff there in different styles. It's not often you see a blues scale improv and a Danzig cover from the same player. I mean that in a good way

Out of curiosity, how long have you been playing?


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Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: close2u on December 17, 2014, 07:32:10 pm
@close2u

Thanks. I plan to continue to post my recordings to the wider audio /video section of the forums.
Good on ya mate!
 ;)

Quote
Ps- I checked out your YT page today. Lots of good stuff there in different styles. It's not often you see a blues scale improv and a Danzig cover from the same player. I mean that in a good way


Very kind words - thank you. The Danzig cover was my response to one of the Guitar Challenges:
https://justinguitarcommunity.com/index.php?board=134.0;sort=subject

btw
some of my live gig vids were  not public but available through links in some old threads I'll find out
Another edit - I have changed them ... all my gig-videos are now public.
Here are those old threads:
1st gig
https://justinguitarcommunity.com/index.php?topic=30758
2nd (and last) gig with that band:
https://justinguitarcommunity.com/index.php?topic=31228.0


Quote
Out of curiosity, how long have you been playing?
Well, seeing as you asked so nicely ... I posted this nearly 6 years ago:
https://justinguitarcommunity.com/index.php?topic=1054.msg80309#msg80309

As to the variety ... I posted this recently:
https://justinguitarcommunity.com/index.php?topic=17315.msg300848#msg300848

I'm happy to continue this chat - elsewhere though so as not to clutter up in here
 :)
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: Rossco01 on December 18, 2014, 08:30:15 am
@phx1973 really good attempt on killing me softly. It is a tricky track especially that B7 which doesn't crop up that often in songs. There is a bit of clicking/scratching sound but I'm guessing that's mic placement or something. I think this was one of the first songs where I really suddenly felt I could play guitar.
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: phx1973 on December 18, 2014, 04:26:49 pm
@Rossco01

Thanks. I, too, felt like this song was one of my best attempts. Obviously I have a long journey still, but that is part of the fun of BC and guitar in general.
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: Boobook on January 03, 2015, 09:55:12 am
OK guys, I'm taking the plunge and joining in. Starting right at the start with Three Little Birds, four down-strums to the bar, tempo nice and slow. I notice my A chords sound a bit rattly once I've been holding them down for a few bars, I'll have to work on that.

I'm hoping to manage to post one song from each stage as I go through, by the time I'm at stage 6 I might be brave enough to hit the open forum...  :)

https://soundcloud.com/boobook-2
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: Joerfe on January 03, 2015, 01:13:22 pm
Good on you, boobook. Never too early to start recording and sharing, you will most likely find that the feedback is both rewarding and a motivational factor. Welcome to the friendliest forum on the internet.


\m/ rock on \m/
end Jesper
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: Sweed77 on January 03, 2015, 01:32:37 pm
@ Boobook

Nice start and good for you posting already.  Chords were clear and timing was good.  Wouldn't worry too much about a rattly chord here and there those will smooth out on their own the more you play.
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: de_conne on January 03, 2015, 07:29:43 pm
Hi Boobook,

That was the most perfect 1st beginnersong I've heard! Sounded perfect to me ;)

Good one!

Keep it up!

regards,
de_conne
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: Boobook on January 04, 2015, 09:55:36 am
Thanks very much for the words of encouragement, everyone  :). I'm working on A Girl Like You so hopefully I'll get that sorted well enough to post soon. Yes, this is quite motivational, isn't it?  ;)
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: BadOmega on January 04, 2015, 10:34:59 am
@boobook  Sounds good! I like the sound of your guitar.
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: Rossco01 on January 04, 2015, 09:41:18 pm
Great start boobook sounded as good as it gets for early stages
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: Boobook on January 11, 2015, 09:39:18 pm
Thanks for taking the time to listen and reply guys! Here we are for the next one  :).

A Girl Like You, once again recorded with my phone (technology really is amazing these days!), four down-strums to the bar with a slightly faster tempo. I'm mostly happy with where I'm at now with this track, although I would like to get those Dm chords to ring a little longer, they sound clipped off when I lift my fingers to move to the Am. Practice holding the chord down a little longer and making the change a bit faster I guess!

https://soundcloud.com/boobook-2/a-girl-like-you-7-1-15-20-33-11-1
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: phx1973 on January 11, 2015, 09:51:23 pm
@ Boobook

Nice job. I remember when I did this song only a few weeks ago I had a terrible time with the Dm chord. But the chord changes sounded smooth and clear. Solid timing too. Keep up the good work.
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: BadOmega on January 11, 2015, 10:38:33 pm
@boobook sounds good to me. Nice and smooth.
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: Boobook on January 12, 2015, 10:12:17 am
Thanks phx1973 and BadOmega. I appreciate the support, it gives me more motivation to go pick up the guitar and keep on practicing.

I just found the previous Beginners Songbook thread too, it really is inspiring to see so many people working their way through and improving so well.  And so much friendly encouragement! What a great little forum this is  :).
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: BadOmega on January 12, 2015, 02:24:42 pm
It's an amazing forum all right.

As for motivation, I really want to post something new. I've been working on How to save a life but it sounds a bit boring without singing so I was determined to sing with it but it's not going so well. I will manage. Darn it.
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: Rolandson on January 13, 2015, 11:03:22 am
California Dreamin

https://soundcloud.com/thewholedamntruth/california-dreamin2 (https://soundcloud.com/thewholedamntruth/california-dreamin2)
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: Boobook on January 14, 2015, 05:38:34 am
Hi Rolandson,

I just went back and listened to your other California Dreamings as well, this one sounds a lot smoother and more confident. Nice work mate!
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: Rolandson on January 14, 2015, 09:28:15 am
thanks. This song is pretty hard to play. I played this song almost everyday a few times since November.
It's the most difficult song so far on the beginner course
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: Rossco01 on January 14, 2015, 12:57:24 pm
@Rolandson A really tricky song this one and one that equally I practiced for a long time not just following the BSB but also watching the M&Ps perform it time and time again on YouTube to try and get the rhythm right. A definite improvement from a month ago and it sounds like you're more comfortable with the chord progression. The intro will improve just by practicing it time and time again. My only comment on the chords piece is that there is still some hesitancy when changing on some chords (maybe it's the F barre in which case you could try and FMaj7 which is easy to move to) and therefore the tempo goes up and down a bit. All  understandable from a beginners perspective but that's where i'd focus my effort.
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: Rolandson on January 14, 2015, 02:21:30 pm
at Rossco01

Yes you are right. It's the part from G to F.
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: Rossco01 on January 14, 2015, 04:16:32 pm
@Rolandson okay well that explains it. For what it's worth when I recorded this I didn't even try to go to the F Barre as - even today - I'd just be too slow. I used FMaj7 and I don't think you notice.
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: Rolandson on January 15, 2015, 10:12:50 am
thank you  will do that but also I learn it the way with the F Barre. I can change to the F barre faster with this song
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: m_c on January 17, 2015, 08:12:05 pm
Here we go. First time I've ever recorded myself playing guitar, and it took a mish mash of leads, so sound quality isn't that great. Something Amplifi may be getting put on the shopping list, given the faff involved with this.

This is me into about day 5 of actually forcing myself to play along with the metronome, which is improving pretty well, but I still have the odd moment of getting ahead of the beat.

I went for a Killing Me Softly as I like the variety of chords. I know there's one obvious mistake where I caught the low E pretty hard when I shouldn't of even been touching it, and it stops a bit randomly as I had a complete mind blank and forgot what the next chord was, so critique away!

    https://soundcloud.com/morayguitar/killing-me-softly
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: close2u on January 17, 2015, 08:26:05 pm
@ m-c

re: Killing Me Softly

For a first recording it's a very good effort at a song with quite a lot of chords.
Well done.
For the most part I hear smooth changes in time and steady.
Now and again you lag behind the underlying beat with a slightly slow chord change.
Your strumming dynamics are even ... As you progress you will develop greater skills allowing you to create a range of dynamics as the song 'tells the story'.
Keep it up, this shows you are on the right path.
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: m_c on January 17, 2015, 08:53:51 pm
Thanks!

Keeping a regular rhythm is my main stumbling point.
I find I get slightly ahead of the metronome (I use the Justin App on my phone and play it through earphones in one ear), then delay while waiting for the next first beat.

I'm thinking a looper may be a handy thing to purchase so I can quickly listen to how I'm keeping with the beat.
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: Rossco01 on January 18, 2015, 10:21:02 am
Great first effort mc and well worth recording! I couldn't add a lot more than Close already has. The rhythmn isn't that bad and with more practice you'll soon get it. looking forward to the next one.
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: Boobook on January 18, 2015, 11:22:35 am
Nice recording mc! Sounded pretty smooth to me :).
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: Sweed77 on January 18, 2015, 02:28:20 pm
@ m_c 

Real nice on Killing Me Softly.  Smooth changes, clean chords, and the timing wasn't bad either.  Keep 'em coming.

Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: Sweed77 on January 18, 2015, 02:37:54 pm
@ Rolandson

Good for you still working California Dreamin.  Can't really add anything to Rossco's assessment pretty much spot on other than I'd stick with bar F if for no other reason than to force myself to practice it.  I agree with you that it is a hard one and if not the hardest in the BSB it's in the top 2 or 3.  The rhythm, the pushes, and the bar F all in one package all make this song a challenge.  Keep at it, it will eventually get there.
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: Numbnuts on January 19, 2015, 10:27:57 am
OK all, maybe I should have posted these in the make us laugh thread?

I'm currently on stage 6 practice schedule and have finally started being able to "sing" without everything falling apart as soon as I open my mouth!

Not really looking for critique as such as it's painfully obvious where I drop the ball, (although feel free), I'm posting them as its someone thing I would never normally do (being painfully shy generally) but this is such a great community I thought bugger it, it's a great way to keep me honest and something to look back on over the coming months and hopefully see some progress, so here you go....( I was going to say "enjoy" but not sure that would be the right word to use  :D ....)

https://soundcloud.com/numbnutsguitar/furst-bash-at-recording

https://soundcloud.com/numbnutsguitar/mad-world-first-recording
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: BadOmega on January 19, 2015, 02:15:21 pm
@m_c- Sounds pretty good to me. I heard that E string. :D

@numbnuts- Thank you  for sharing, you have a really nice voice. I admire that you can play at all while you are singing. My daughter came in while mad world was playing and she said "Too cheerful," maybe that's just the tone.

@Rolandson- I read a theory online that sometimes when you practice something a lot you reach a point where it starts to get worse. The recommendation by the author was to take a break from what you are practicing and let your mind rest.

With that said, I think there were more stumbles in this one than the last one I listened to. The parts where you play more smoothly seem more musical that previous versions though. So, there is good and bad.
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: Sweed77 on January 19, 2015, 08:45:50 pm
@ Numbnuts

Both songs are good efforts and are pretty good for the stage you are at.  Nice to hear you singing too, good voice.   I think the guitar is a bit to loud and covering your vocal on these songs.  In this case I think your hitting the strings a bit too hard with the pick which is a common problem that kind of fixes itself over time. Keep 'em coming, you're off to a good start. :)
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: m_c on January 19, 2015, 11:48:13 pm
Cheers for the comments guys. I'm gradually getting better at keeping tempo with the metronome. It's all about practise, and I might get something else recorded at the weekend.
Although managed to catch that E string with my fretting fingers while practising today :-/

@Numbnuts, good effort! The moment I even think about singing, everything falls apart for me. Although I will agree with BadOmega's comment about your Mad World sounding too cheerful. It's one of these songs I think needs sung slightly flat/off-tune to emphasise the lyrics, but that is just my opinion. If I ever manage to sing and play, I might have to dig out my good microphone and we can compare bad singing!

@Rolandson, sounding good.
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: Numbnuts on January 20, 2015, 12:18:30 am
Thanks for the comments, "Too Cheerful" made me laugh, a lot. I have a very flat, monotone, nasal sounding northern-english speaking voice. I'ts been described as many things, cheerful never being one of them  ;D

Totally agree with hitting the strings too hard, I never really noticed it until I listened to the recordings back. I'll work on that.

Level will be way off to begin with as it was recorded on an iPhone sat on my knee, so very close to the guitar an a good way from my mouth.

I'll keep practicing and set the phone up a bit higher next time I'm game enough to record something.

Keep up the good work all of you, it's really great listening to fellow beginners and following your progress.

Cheers.
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: Boobook on January 21, 2015, 05:36:04 am
@ Rolandson, sounding good, you're getting smoother and sound more confident with the intro. The chords throughout flow better. Nice work!

@ Numbnuts-- kudos to you for singing! "Killing me Softly", even when you stumbled on the chords you kept the vocal going and caught up well, "Mad World" sounded more confident. Flat nasal northern english? I didn't hear that! And yes, I agree, anywhere else I wouldn't post recordings of my fumbling along but here is so supportive, and the feedback is motivational :) .
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: Rolandson on January 21, 2015, 09:47:08 am
at BadOmega

Thank you. You may be right. I will play the song next week and maybe I am playing this song better.
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: Rossco01 on January 22, 2015, 08:11:53 am
@numbnuts really good start and good to hear the singing as well as playing which as many know is pretty tricky. The rhythm generally sounds okay and bar a few mistakes and rough edges which you'll knock off with some more practice not bad at all.
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: m_c on January 24, 2015, 03:39:02 pm
Since I bought a Scarlett 2i2 this week, and I've spent a good chunk of time this week working on my shuffle, here's my attempt of Before You Accuse Me-
   
https://soundcloud.com/morayguitar/beforeyouaccuseme-1

I'm still struggling to keep in time with the metronome, however I'm not totally losing the tempo anymore, and it's starting to feel more natural.
Oh, and there is one pretty major mistake, but I'll wait and see if anybody notices it...
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: Boobook on January 25, 2015, 11:18:08 am
Hey m_c, nice recording! Your shuffle sounded pretty even to me most of the time, just off beat with the metronome. Do you find a difference with the metronome in one earphone vs. out loud?
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: m_c on January 25, 2015, 09:12:52 pm
Cheers!
Shuffle beats is one thing I've always struggled with, so I was actually very happy with that attempt. I managed to get upto 80bpm tonight, and keep the timing about as good as that recording. Might make another recording later in the week.


Provided I can hear the metronome, I don't find it makes any difference.

Out of laziness to plug in earphones, I was just laying the phone (I'm using Justin's Time Trainer app) on my right knee, but I was finding the guitar was drowning out me hearing the metronome, so I was having to concentrate on hearing the beat, especially the first beat to know if my counting was still in sync, which then meant I wasn't concentrating on the guitar.

For that recording, I played it through the 2i2 along with the guitar, so I could set it nice and loud, but then reduce the volume for the final save, which worked pretty well. Only problem with that, was I had to use a microphone next to the phone, as when I plugged the phone directly in, the phone detected it as a headset and the 2i2 never picked up the sound. I'm guessing when in headset mode, the phone changes what contacts the sound goes down :-/
Next time I'm in a shop, I'll pick up a proper metronome as hearing new message notifications mid-beat is a bit distracting!
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: Boobook on January 28, 2015, 08:56:54 am
Here's my next attempt at recording: Hey Joe this time. Recorded once again with my phone, this time I didn't have the guidance of the metronome but I don't think the rhythm wobbled too much without it. All comments/tips etc welcome :)

https://soundcloud.com/boobook-2/hey-joe-1st-2015-01-23-20-51-53-1
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: pt3r on January 28, 2015, 09:26:50 am
I think that was a very nice rendition, cleanly played and solid strumming.
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: m_c on January 28, 2015, 10:55:26 pm
Good effort Boobook. Sounds good and the tempo is pretty steady.
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: tobyjenner on January 28, 2015, 11:57:40 pm
Boobook

Good timing and solidly played. Next work on the that bass run riff at the end!! 8)
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: BadOmega on January 30, 2015, 12:27:58 pm
@m_c I am going to be completely useless and say I didn't notice anything wrong. Sounds good to me.

@boobook- Confession, I am a little jealous of your playing. Very nice.
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: m_c on January 30, 2015, 09:16:16 pm
BagOmega, I probably notice it more because I'm aware that I'm not always in perfect sync with metronome when playing, and am having to rush/wait at times to get back in sync.


Anyway, here's a couple efforts from tonight.
First up is a simple C Am G F chord progression as I gradually try and conquer the F.
    https://soundcloud.com/morayguitar/20150130-camgf-chordprogression

And I think an appology is required in advance for the abuse of strings during some Brown Eyed Girl rhythm  :)
    https://soundcloud.com/morayguitar/20150130-browneyedgirl
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: BadOmega on January 31, 2015, 05:21:32 pm
@rolandson- I'm sorry, I missed you in there! California Dreaming is sounding good. Good start on Wanted Dead or Alive

@m_c- Does that count as my ear training for the day? The progression sounded good. I'm not sure what f is supposed to sound like but the changes were pretty smooth and I didn't hear any dull thuddy stuff.

Brown-eyed girl sounded nice but a little muddy. Not sure if that's what you meant by string abuse.
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: lunarscope on January 31, 2015, 05:42:46 pm
Well, three and a half weeks on the BC and here are my first recordings:

https://soundcloud.com/lunarscope/three-little-birds-v-1-at-home

https://soundcloud.com/lunarscope/wild-thing-v-1-at-home

I'm not too impressed as my progress seems to have stalled this past week. Probably getting bored with practising ADE chords. Time to move onto Stage 2 and learn some minor chords now. Anyway, comments are welcome.
Bracing myself...  :)
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: SiegeFrog on January 31, 2015, 07:16:31 pm
@m_c

What strumming pattern are you using for Brown Eyed Girl?
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: Rossco01 on January 31, 2015, 08:46:33 pm
@boobook really liked your version of hey joe. Nice strumming and good rhythmn.
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: Rossco01 on January 31, 2015, 08:49:53 pm
@mc good attempt at brown eyed girl. Sounded pretty smooth in terms of chord changes. Sounded like you were playing a two bar chord pattern but not sure. Old faithful for each bar is as good as anything.
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: Rossco01 on January 31, 2015, 08:53:17 pm
Really good start lunarscope and congrats on your first posting
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: Sweed77 on January 31, 2015, 09:20:16 pm
@ mc

Smooth changes on BEG and your progression.  Most notes were pretty clear so must be making good progress on the bar F.
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: Sweed77 on January 31, 2015, 09:24:30 pm
@ Boobook

Nice playing on hey joe.
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: Sweed77 on January 31, 2015, 09:29:01 pm
@ lunarscope

Those are nice first recordings.  Keep 'em coming.
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: m_c on January 31, 2015, 09:33:11 pm
Cheers guys. F is coming along pretty well. Still have the occasional moment where the fingers just don't move where I want them!

When I listened to BEG after I'd recorded it, I sounded to me like I was a bit harsh on the strings. Being a bit more gentle with the pick is onen of my current goals.

@SiegeFrog, the strumming pattern is the original version. I've got to admit to having owned the sheet music for it for several years (I used to play keyboard/piano so have a small collection of various sheet music), just never quite mastered it or got up to speed with it on guitar.


@lunarscope. Sounds good. Keep it up!
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: lunarscope on February 01, 2015, 12:43:49 am
Thanks for the feedback. I know I can do better, that's what' s frustrating me. I suppose I have the usual beginner's impatience. Anyway, your encouragement is well received  :)
Onwards and upwards...
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: Boobook on February 03, 2015, 10:17:45 am
Thanks guys for the comments on Hey Joe. Yep, going to have to get the riff going properly, I'm still working on that. Small bites at a time and I'll get there!

@ m_c, the chord progression sounded good to me, nice clean changes, I only heard a few fuzzy strings. Brown Eyed Girl sounded a little erratic at first untl I got into the strumming pattern (that's me, not you), chord changes nice and smooth.

@ lunarscope, great first recordings. The rhythm sounded spot on and the changes nice and clean. Well done! Sounds like moving onto the next stage and getting a few more chords in your fingers is the right thing to do :) .
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: lunarscope on February 03, 2015, 11:47:28 am
Thanks Boobook, I've been listening to your progress as well and it gives me confidence to press on with the course. I've just started (yesterday) on my ADE minor chords and can get them fairly clean - slowest is Amaj to Dmin at 27 changes per minute. I'm well happy with that for a first attempt so in a couple of weeks I reckon I'll be ready for Stage 3. :)
Next song is going to be "Love Me Do".
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: BadOmega on February 07, 2015, 01:05:47 pm
@lunarscope I think those were really good got three weeks, especially wild thing. I think it is beginner impatience. :p. On three little birds it did sound like the changes weren't quite smooth in some places almost like you were taking a deep breath. I think you probably already play better than I do and I've been playing for four months.
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: ajmarch on February 07, 2015, 05:05:28 pm
Hi this is my first post and recordings been following justins bc-course for about 12 months see what you think :)




    https://soundcloud.com/tmarchment/4-non-blondeswhats-up
https://soundcloud.com/tmarchment/common-people
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: lunarscope on February 07, 2015, 05:20:19 pm
@lunarscope I think those were really good got three weeks, especially wild thing. I think it is beginner impatience. :p. On three little birds it did sound like the changes weren't quite smooth in some places almost like you were taking a deep breath. I think you probably already play better than I do and I've been playing for four months.

Haha, I doubt it.
 I'm not too keen on TLB as it doesn't sound very musical without the proper reggae rhythm. I feel that the changes are not quite quick enough as there's a 'squawk' especially after the DMaj. Probably because I'm not letting it ring out long enough before changing. I blame my 'one minute changes' exercise technique for that.
I've started on "Love me do" and will post something within the next couple of weeks (once the Beginner's Songbook arrives). After that I think it will be "That's Alright Mama" as that could be a grower with the more complex strumming patterns I could use later in the course.

Boom chicka boom boom...  :)
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: SiegeFrog on February 08, 2015, 08:08:48 am
@ajmarch

On What's Up. It has such a distinctive rhythm pattern. I think you've got it for the second half of the pattern, but you have too many upstrums in the first half. Otherwise, the playing was pretty clean.
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: ajmarch on February 08, 2015, 10:43:25 am
@SiegeFrog

Thanks for feedback, it took me ages to get near the rythm pattern, i will have a go at getting the first part locked in my head   :)
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: Rossco01 on February 08, 2015, 03:39:43 pm
Good effort on both Ajmarch and both sounded pretty clean. I  have to admit that I could never get to grips with Common People. Stick Whats Up as when you do get that pattern right its quite a cool song (particularly if you sing to it as well).
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: ajmarch on February 09, 2015, 10:23:08 am
@Rossco01


thanks for reply, ive uploaded a different version of the common people by pulp, the other one got lost in translation  :)  might  try singing to 4 non blondes song later,ive noticed your signature is nearly the same as mine, almost the same gear...
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: Boobook on February 09, 2015, 10:29:43 am
Nice work on both tracks ajmarch, the tempo was solid and changes clean throughout. I must admit Common People confused me  and I had to listen quite a few times, but after that first set of 4 bars of A you just have 3 bars of each chord for the next few sets? The rythym was unwavering though, like clockwork.
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: ajmarch on February 09, 2015, 11:20:57 am
@Boobook


Thanks for feedback, i hadnt noticed i was only playing  the 3 bars of each chord  :-[ , i try to keep the strumming hand going as per justins advice even when everything goes south :) ive halted my progress on stage 8 to try and learn a few more songs...
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: Sweed77 on February 09, 2015, 11:35:50 am
@ ajmarch

Nice fist effort with clean chords and changes.
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: ajmarch on February 09, 2015, 05:10:54 pm
@Sweed77

Thanks for positive reply,working on the Taylor Swift song back to december in b-songbook at the moment.
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: Boobook on February 14, 2015, 07:53:14 am
It's taken me a little while to get to the stage of posting another song. I've been working on Killing Me Softly and have just realised I'm working and reworking it and not making a lot more progress. So I've decided to record and move on. Here it is; some stumbles with the changes and that damn B7 tripped me up second time around, as it does when my concentration wavers a little. All input/tips and suggestions as to where to focus my efforts at this stage appreciated.

https://soundcloud.com/boobook-2/killing-me-softly-2015-02-13-20-39-12-11
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: BadOmega on February 14, 2015, 01:06:48 pm
@ajmarch- I could hear What's up in that even if the pattern was a little off. I'm not sure what common people is supposed to sound like but I thought yours sounded good.

@rolandson- sounds like you've almost got the first bit there!


@boobook- The stumbles were barely noticeable. It sounded like you were playing it a little fast though. I'm not sure what gave me that impression but in my fuzzy memory Killing me softly is slower. Maybe it's the vocal that makes it sound slow?
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: ajmarch on February 14, 2015, 02:31:40 pm
@BadOmega

thanks for reply, the pulp track definitely got lost somewhere i have a closer version i did  recorded on my pc but ive moved since then, posting another track next week ive been working on..
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: m_c on February 14, 2015, 09:07:09 pm
@boobook, you kept the strumming going, so it's not overly noticeable. I still struggle with the B7 change, usually because my mind has wandered by that point and I can't remember the next chord then panic :-/
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: Boobook on February 15, 2015, 11:33:58 am
@m_c, I know that feeling! Get  lost, forget what's next, freeze.

@ BadOmega, I think you're right, the original is a tad slower. The vocals feel really slow, languid even. Have to get to work on trying to get that feel in the strumming without feeling it's falling alseep. Tricky!
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: Rossco01 on February 15, 2015, 12:20:13 pm
@boobook killing me softly sounded great. Really clean chords didnt notice anything amiss really. Interestingly the pace varies tremendously depending on which artist recorded it. Your pacing sounded right to me.
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: ajmarch on February 19, 2015, 12:02:28 pm
Heres my  attempt at crucufying another artists track :) back to december by taylor swift.

http:// https://soundcloud.com/tmarchment/back-to-december
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: Boobook on February 21, 2015, 03:52:01 am
Nice work, ajmarch, the chords were clean and smooth and the timing good. The reverb (or is it sustain? Not sure, I'm only on an acoustic at this stage) got a little strong for me in the middle there, but the playing was solid.
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: ajmarch on February 21, 2015, 07:54:09 am
@Boobook

Thanks for reply ,yeah reverb bit to much i think, i have a acoustic  but no recording setup yet.
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: Rossco01 on February 21, 2015, 05:32:55 pm
Aj try turning the effects off for now at best you just need a touch reverb. As it stands its difficult to hear the chords transitions. Would like to hear it again though so give it another recording without the effects.
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: ajmarch on February 24, 2015, 12:36:36 pm
@ Rossco01

Redone taylor swift  back to december with a cleaner sound just a touch of reverb from my mustang amp.


http://https://soundcloud.com/tmarchment/back-to-december.
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: Rossco01 on February 24, 2015, 08:44:48 pm
Ajmarch definitely sounds better a bit cleaner without the effects although you might to try a different model to give it a cleaner sound. Also depending on pickups on your guitar try shifting between pos 1 and 2. The strumming pattern needs adjusting slightly as its a two bar pattern so for each chord printed you should play 1D 2 3D 4 first bar then 1Du2D3D4 second bar not sure if youre trying to play this or not. If you listen to the track on youtube you can jyst about hear this.if you play a single bar per chord in the book you actually play quite slowly.
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: de_conne on February 26, 2015, 09:30:11 am
Rolandson,

Only thing I can say, is keep it up! I know you 've been working on this for a long time now. Justin say's it's probabbly the most difficult song in the BC, but it teaches some very important things. Things I struggled with a lot but that now come pretty naturally. Like pushed chords, Upstrums (patterns), ...

The best advice I can give you, is to slow WAAAAAAAAY down (I had to do it also to learn this song), take a look at the BC Book and the strumming pattern suggested and try to do that. I mean 'exactly' that pattern. And then try to add the chords, pushed!

I have to admit that I learned a lot trying to play this song.

regards,
de_conne

Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: Rolandson on February 26, 2015, 10:26:13 am
at de_conne

The only promlemI have with that song is that I often thouch the B string instead of the G string when I change G to F.

What I learned with this song is that I don't have to look at my fingers when I change to the F chord .
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: Numbnuts on March 10, 2015, 01:05:49 pm
Laying it all out there tonight. I was enjoying myself practising and singing tonight so I thought I'd record it, weird how once you press that button the nerves start to jangle. Probably the the thought of putting yourself out there on the internet for all and sundry to hear you I suppose, (usually only the shower screen gets that privilege).

Anyway, here we go, I'm about 4 or 5 months deep now and I think this might be my 4th post in here? 3rd with singing I think.

PS, I'm not an orphan, or a girl for that matter.

https://soundcloud.com/numbnutsguitar/orphan-girl-no-capo
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: lunarscope on March 10, 2015, 07:46:09 pm
Nice, Numbnuts. I enjoyed listening to your song. I thought the singing was fine, with plenty of feeling.
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: Rossco01 on March 10, 2015, 08:48:29 pm
Nice numbnuts and great vocal. Interesting to hear your version. Pipsickle also posted a version of this song some time ago. Nice playing.
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: Numbnuts on March 11, 2015, 12:29:17 am
Thanks Lunar & Rossco. It'll be interesting to try it again in a few weeks, I'm asthmatic and the change of seasons always flares it up so I have to take my daily meds again just now, they have an interesting side effect in that they slowly raise the pitch of my voice over the course of a week or two until it disappears altogether. Then I have to juggle between being able to breathe, or able to talk. I'll have another bash it it once I'm back of the the daily inhaler and my voice is back to normal.
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: Sweed77 on March 11, 2015, 12:41:13 am
Nice one numbnuts.  Solid playing and vocal.

 
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: Boobook on March 11, 2015, 09:44:42 am
Sounded good, Numbnuts. I like your singing, it reminds me a little of Gordon Gano of The Violent Femmes, but less rough around the edges. Nice one!
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: Numbnuts on March 12, 2015, 02:07:07 am
Thanks Boobook & Sweed. These comments are really appreciated, (I've always been very self conscious about my speaking voice, let alone singing! It took a lot of deep breaths to pluck the courage up to post what I've posted so far).

I've said it before, such a great community on here, it's great to see people posting audio without mick-takers and disparaging remarks. All I've seen on threads so far have been positive critiques and suggestions and encouragement, it's really great and such a boost for so many people (myself included).

I'm really loving listening to what people post up, such a mix. Some clips from members are fantastic, better than a lot of the current "popular" music. It amazes me how many talented "normal" people there are around.

I'll keep at it....might even start my own thread at some point in the 'audio of you' section if I get brave enough  ;D
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: Drubbing on March 12, 2015, 02:28:19 am
@ Numbnuts

Don't know the song, but solid all round. A few little wobbles with the vocals, but you know where all the right notes are that you want, and you hit them.
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: Boobook on March 12, 2015, 03:55:38 am
@ Numbnuts

Well said mate :).
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: Boobook on March 12, 2015, 04:14:48 am
I've been plugging away at I Wanna Hold Your Hand for a good few weeks now, it seems my fingers just haven't wanted to learn the chord progressions. Finally at the stage now where I can play it through, albeit slowly, so here it is.

https://soundcloud.com/boobook-2/i-wanna-hold-your-hand-2015-03-11-20-41-48-11

Still needs a lot of work but I'm going to put it aside for now and come back to it later. I feel the need to move on!
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: Rossco01 on March 12, 2015, 08:22:56 am
Very nice playing Boobook and not necessarily an easy song to learn. I personally would say - given the stage you're at - this doesn't need too much work at all. Yes as you move through the course you'll be able to come back and make it better but the chord changes seemed very smooth to me and as you got further into the song the rhythm improved as well. Good song and I'd say you're almost ready to move out of the Beginners Thread! into your own.
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: Numbnuts on March 12, 2015, 08:51:18 pm
Nice work Boobook.
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: Boobook on March 13, 2015, 01:35:44 am
Thanks Rossco and Numbnuts, much appreciated. Yes, I think I might be almost brave enough to start a thread of my own out there in the big wide AVOYP forum, maybe in another 1 or 2 recordings :).
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: lunarscope on March 13, 2015, 11:10:35 pm
Latest recording after two months on the BC.

https://soundcloud.com/lunarscope/whats-up

Recorded on my phone so I apologise for the low-fi sound.
Still on original strings so B and high E are getting a bit buzzy now but don't see the point in changing them until I can play more 'musically'.

 I've been playing the full 4 min 50 sec in practise but cut this recording 1 min 30 sec short 'cos it gets a bit monotonous without the singing. Edit: On playback I've just noticed a few mis-strums ( red button syndrome!).

On stage 3 of BC at the moment and haven't quite got changes between C and G fast enough yet. I'll have a bash at Brown Eyed Girl next as that will be good practice for my 'problem' chords.

Comments invited please...
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: Boobook on March 14, 2015, 11:50:41 am
@ Rolandson: That intro riff is coming along well, the increased confidence and finger memory is showing, and the chords are getting smoother. Keep on plugging away, you're getting there!

@ Lunarscope: Sounded pretty damn good to me, nice clean changes and the rythym was consistent. I also record on my phone as it's all I've got at this stage, and I think for the purpose it's fine. And if you want to, treat yourself to a new set of strings--your playing is plenty musical enough to deserve it  ;D.
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: lunarscope on March 15, 2015, 01:21:58 am
Thanks Boobook, I always appreciate your constructive comments. I'm fairly happy with my progress so far as I'm finding it easier and more fun than I thought it would be. I tried teaching myself a few chords when in my teens ( over 30 years ago) but gave up after a few weeks. I must have more determination now I'm middle-aged and realise it's now or never. I stayed on stage 1 and 2 until I could do 60 changes per minute so I will keep doing that as it seems to work for me. I can keep a steady rhythm but can't strum along with a metronome  as I find myself waiting for the click but I suppose that doesn't matter unless I want to play at a specific BPM.
I just wish that Justin was around when I first tried to learn.
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: SiegeFrog on March 15, 2015, 06:38:33 am
@Boobook

Nice work on I Wanna Hold Your Hand. Especially the many rhythm changes. I had forgotten how many different rhythm changes were in that song. You handled them admirably.
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: Boobook on March 15, 2015, 09:36:56 am
@ lunarscope-- I think there's a lot  to be said for middle aged determination. I also tried to learn a few times when I was younger, but lost motivation pretty quickly. "Learning is faster and easier when you're young" just didn't hold true for me, I was way too unfocussed and scatterbrained. Now I feel like I'm in for the long haul, I'm not trying to learn anything in a hurry, just enjoying the learning/consolidation/learn new stuff cycle. I get plenty of frustration but I know I just have to keep on chipping away at it. Hooray for maturity!

@SeigeFrog-- thanks for listening and commenting. That helps enormously with my motivation as well  :D.
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: chix2 on March 15, 2015, 12:02:27 pm
hi boobook

good progress, you say your going to put it too one side for bit an move on, what are you going to move on too. its good to have little break but don't forget once every other day to have plug at it otherwise you might find that if you leave it, you might find yourself struggling again and we don't want that do we

Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: lunarscope on March 15, 2015, 12:04:45 pm
@Boobook, yes, maturity does have some benefits - just a shame it comes with aches and pains !
I forgot to mention your "I wanna hold your hand" - it sounds like you're definitely getting the hang of it. How long have you spent on it ?
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: chix2 on March 15, 2015, 12:07:09 pm
@lunarscope

your whats up is very good very clean played, yes i think your ready to have bash at brown eye girl

boobook said he'd been playing i wana hold your hand for few weeks
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: lunarscope on March 15, 2015, 12:26:10 pm
@chix2: Thanks, there are a few minor missed upstrums on the first part of the strumming pattern but I was in a hurry to get it recorded and move on. In some way I suppose it shows progress that I can notice the mistakes - my ear for rhythm must be improving. Also shows how important Justin's advice is about 'rhythm is key' and to keep the strumming hand moving constantly. I've tried to explain the concept of 'forcing the changes' to my learning buddy but he seems to be still struggling  a bit with steady strumming and changing chords.
I'm really enjoying this course and because of the brilliant structure of the lessons I know that by the end of the BC I will be 'a guitarist'. Justin really deserves some recognition for his skillfull teaching.  8)
Have to go now as I have a date with a 'brown eyed girl'.  :D
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: chix2 on March 15, 2015, 03:04:30 pm
lunarscope

i just listened to your other recordings, thats big leap you made with your strumming from the first 2 song wild thing and three little birds. well done. also saw your guitar collection which one is your fave to play

chix
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: lunarscope on March 15, 2015, 03:16:34 pm
@ chix2
Thanks very much.  :)
I'm concentrating on my Ibanez electroacoustic at the moment as I can't get much out of the electrics. The Squier needs setting up as it was a real mess when I bought it. Just done the cosmetic stuff so far. The Cort is set up reasonably well but I'm finding that I'm a bit heavy handed on it as I'm practising on the Ibanez which is strung with 12's which need a lot of pressure to ring cleanly.
I'm very happy with my progress after two months so am looking forward to the rest of the BC.
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: chix2 on March 15, 2015, 08:35:13 pm
@lunarscope

so your pretty good at fixing up guitars then? do you prefer the heavier gauge strings then ? i like lights on mine  and get mine set up with low action, i have few guitars SG,Fender strat, ibanez rg, fender acoustic and p bass.

what amp do you have ?
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: lunarscope on March 16, 2015, 12:54:20 am
@ chix2

The Squier was my first attempt at a fixer-upper. I bought it cheap at £15 to use as a test bed to learn how to do set ups.. I'm using 12's on the Ibanez simply because that's what it came with as standard. As it's a small body guitar as quite 'trebley' I don't think going to thinner guage strings would sound full enough. I guess I'll have to develop a lighter touch in order to use the electrics. My amp is a small Kustom KLA10 bought on impulse for £3 from a charity shop. It came with an instrument lead and had been safety tested by the shop. At that price I couldn't leave it in the shop !
Although the Ibanez sounds pretty good through my amp I'm planning on getting a Fender Mustang v.2 sometime soon so I can have some fun with the tones and effects. I expect I'll play the Cort more often then as it has two coil-tapped humbuckers to give a range of sounds, as I like all sorts of different music genres. I'm also looking for a cheap Tascam DR-40 portable recorder so I can make some better recordings. I've been learning with my mate Gary who is an ex-drummer, DJ and brilliant singer and we want to eventually make some original tracks - probably just for our own amusement. Although we may form a duo as Gary has been asked many times to do singing gigs. We'd have to be called like 'Mid-life Crisis' or something along those lines.  ;)
Which is your fave guitar to play ?
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: Boobook on March 16, 2015, 12:57:07 am
@ lunarscope and chix2:  Yes, around 3-4 weeks on I Wanna Hold Your Hand, but that is only 5-10 mins 5-6 times a week. My fingers just don't want to behave, especially with the C based changes. I'm moving on to That'll be the Day and 12 bar blues for stage 5, and revisiting Brown Eyed Girl to work those changes. Trouble is, I just don't have enough time to practice all the songs I want to!
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: lunarscope on March 16, 2015, 01:15:11 am
@Boobook: I've spent about the same time over three weeks  on 'What's Up' so am happy with my progress so far on it.  8)
 I'm coming to the end of  BC Stage 3 so will try "Brown Eyed Girl" also. I'll be interested in hearing your version when you're ready.  :)
I feel like I could be moving through the stages quicker as I really fancy learning 12 Bar Blues but I'm determined to learn things properly before I move on. My determination is winning over my impatience at the moment.
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: chix2 on March 16, 2015, 11:55:02 am
@lunarscope

thats a brave thing to do, fixing but good for you for having a go. let us know how the progress goes. i have a Tascam there really good i not recently upgraded from DR-07  to DR-40. i have mustang v.1 if you get one new they come with usb cable and fender fuse software and a lite version of alberton live recording software. Mmm my fave guitar well of the 6 string variety the one i keep picking up of late is the fender strat i like the diversity it gives. but also a year ago now i decided to get a bass, and I've really been enjoying that a lot, originally my idea of getting bass was to help with song writing but i ended up really just taking too it. the bass i got was pj squire affinity one. pj means its hybrid between a jazz & and p bass.

Chix
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: Rossco01 on March 16, 2015, 12:25:51 pm
@Lunarscope great progress on Whats up. The really challenge with this one is getting the strumming pattern going. I spent ages on this just getting the pattern going..then the challenge is to add the vocal (and keep the pattern going). As I said on your soundcloud you can sing to your version so you're almost there.

@dbrx some good posts there and definitely a plus one from me on playing along to the tracks. I think this is the best way to ensure you've got the right rhythm. Mad World just needs a little more practice. Back to December will need a little more work but it's a tricky song so no surprise...have to admit I've never revisited this since this stage so may go back and have a go.

In terms of the Fender Mustang its a great amp but needs a bit of practice/knowledge to get the best out of it. I've had mine for 12 months, got a bit frustrated with not getting the tone and then revisited it in the last couple of weeks and much happier with it. There are lots of resources on the web but InTheBlues on youtube has some good posts (they are based on the Mustang III but equally applies to the Mustang I including their excellent pre-sets). They also go some way to explaining the use of the different pickups on your electric.

Ableton Lite comes with the Mustang but isn't the easiest package to use for beginners (but does seem quite powerful).

In terms of recording quite a few of us use Zoom H1N which are a significant step up from an Iphone (which is what I used originally). They aren't dissimilar to the Tascam. Quite affordable at about £80.

Good luck all with Brown Eyed Girl...it's great for getting the C > G working. Took me ages until C felt natural.

Great posts from all and look forward to more shortly.
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: chix2 on March 16, 2015, 01:02:47 pm
@rossco

yes I've had mine few years now, and it did take little figuring out. i like the amber settings the best i think they  sound the warmest, almost tube like. i partially like the first 2 or 3 settings and the last few. I've used fender fuse but haven't used Ableton, i garageband too demo stuff then the studio i uses has pro-tools.
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: Joerfe on March 16, 2015, 01:31:45 pm

Chix, I highly recommend that you go to the fender mustang download site and look at all the available presets. I literally deleted all my factory presets and replaced them with the ones I liked the best from that download area. As mentioned the ones from intheblues are great.

\m/ rock on \m/
end Jesper
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: chix2 on March 16, 2015, 03:47:27 pm
Thanks Joerfe

very cool indeed i went straight too it & checked it out  8)

i also came back and checked out your sound cloud link, you play good there were couple tunes that i thought suited your voice more than some but very cool.

and i will definitely be looking into downloading some new sounds
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: Joerfe on March 16, 2015, 04:57:35 pm

Thank you. Yes, the voice is an musical instrument in it self and I am trying to figure it out.


\m/ rock on \m/
end Jesper
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: lunarscope on March 16, 2015, 06:25:36 pm
@Rossco: Thanks for your encouragement. Once I'd got the strumming pattern on 'What's Up' , I found that it just stuck in my brain. I can pick up the guitar and do it now without thinking. I just hope I can memorise other patterns in the same way. I've been having a bash at 'That's Alright' with the alternating bass strum and it's coming along - only playing 8th notes not 16ths like Elvis though.  8)
I started 'Brown Eyed Girl' at the weekend as I need to improve my C-G changes. The pattern is more or less there so when I've practised a bit more (also want to do the intro riff), I'll upload it to SoundCloud.
It is a toss-up between the Zoom H4N or the Tascam DR-40. Research suggests that the only real difference is the Tascam can record all 4 tracks at 24 bit wav simultaneously. It really comes down to price - I'm waiting for a cheap one to appear on eBay although I've found a nearly new Tascam for £100 on Gumtree.

@chix2, @joerfe: I've been researching the Mustang amp and have had a look at the Fuse website.
I haven't used a DAW before but I've also been researching Ableton Live and even the lite version should be more than enough for my requirements. I have an IT background so hopefully the complexities shouldn't be too much for me. There's no hurry anyway so I'll have a good play when I get it with the amp.

@chix2: I was going to buy a mint condition Squire Standard Bass for £40 from the same guy that had the strat but he'd sold it a few minutes before I got there. Shame really as they go for about £80 on eBay. I'm saving up for a holiday in June anyway so I'll have to hold the GAS in for a while.
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: chix2 on March 16, 2015, 08:41:22 pm
going anywhere nice lunarscope for your hol's as long as the gas is only on temporary hold will forgive you.
that shame you missed out on the bass sounded like proper real good deal too.
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: lunarscope on March 16, 2015, 09:34:40 pm

I'm going to Olu Deniz, Turkey in June with a few mates. Went last year and it was really chilled out. A short bus ride to Hisaranu is an option if we fancy a more lively night out.
I have three guitars now so no more for now but I'll have to release a bit of GAS to get the amp and portable recorder.  :)
The guitar learning is still a secret (only my Son knows) so in a few months I plan to surprise family and friends with an impromptu 'gig' at a BBQ party.  8)
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: chix2 on March 17, 2015, 12:44:37 pm
@lunarscope

good luck at bbq what you going play whats your set list. sounds like you will have fun on holiday. by the way if you do make some original tracks even if just for your own enjoyment if you would like me to play bass, i offer my complimentry services too you
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: SFDonovan on March 17, 2015, 04:15:32 pm
Wanted to chime in here and say how impressed Iv'e been at the improvements in Rossco and Lunarscope's playing.  I've been a long time lurker here at Justin's forum and been following several of you on Soundcloud.  You guys sound great.  My guitar playing has been coming along slowly due to family obligations and a case of cubital tunnel syndrome.  What that is is pressure on the ulnar nerve (funny bone), in the elbow.  It has caused my pinkey and part of ring finger on my fretting hand to be numb.  Not the falling asleep tingly feeling, but solid numb from the heal of my left hand to the tip of the fingers.  I literally can't feel the strings on the fingertips of those two fingers of my left hand.  I'm getting it looked at by a doctor on April 7th.

It hasn't stopped me from playing, but it has stopped my progress (to a point).  Still, I was able to strum some clumsy Johnny Cash songs and get through What's Up, and a passable Knocking on Heaven's Door.

I need to work on getting some of these recorded so I can get some feedback.

Cheers,   Steve
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: lunarscope on March 17, 2015, 07:07:57 pm
@SFDonovan: Thanks for your comments about my improvement. Getting that last tune has really given me a boost. Rossco is someone I've been following also as I find it encouraging to see how he has progressed through the BC. I'm very impressed with the number of songs he can play and sing.
Sad to hear about your hand problem. Let's hope the Doc can get it sorted out soon.

@chix2: I haven't really thought about a BBQ set list yet -it's still early days but it will have to consist of good singalong songs. Thanks for your offer of bass, I think it will be some time yet though. I also need to attempt singing (or nearest approximation) whilst playing as I haven't tried it yet. Although I can get my learning buddy to sing if I can't manage it.
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: Rossco01 on March 17, 2015, 09:10:43 pm
Thanks guys always nice to have positive comments!  And good to see a new tranche of learners coming through too (not that I class myself as anything but a beginner still.....although I may be starting the IM shortly). I like to try and keep songs on my soundcloud from the start of the BC (well when I started to record).
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: chix2 on March 20, 2015, 07:51:11 pm
rolandson  your playing is good its just a shame its hard to hear them. shame cause you do play well. even on full volume its very quiet. you need to rectify this so we can hear you my friend
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: chix2 on March 21, 2015, 10:20:47 am
do you wear headphones when you record ?
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: close2u on March 23, 2015, 12:14:54 pm
Please refer to the rules in the OP of this thread. No more than 5 recordings before branching out standing on your own two feet, with your own threads. Thanks.

I have spent a lot of time this morning tidying, sorting, organising this thread. There is now an INDEX of contributors and their posted recordinrgs in the edited OP. Please have a look.
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: Numbnuts on March 23, 2015, 08:34:53 pm
Nice work close2u, there's a mistake on mine though. You've listed me twice, (totaling 5), but in the second list you have me down as doing "Before You Accuse Me", which I haven't done as yet.

I'm pretty sure I'm only up to 4, so one more to go before I'm let out into the wider comunity  :o
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: close2u on March 24, 2015, 06:51:31 am
@ Numbnuts

Thanks for the thanks :) It takes time to do all this admin work, appreciation is welcome.
Sorry for the error - my bad.
I have just gone back through and edited the error.
Are there any more mistakes anyone?
Let me know.

@ m_c
You passed 5 so I split your triple post and created a new thread from it.
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: Boobook on March 24, 2015, 08:01:52 am
Thanks close! I hadn't realised I was up to 5, time for me to break out on the next one. This thread has been great for me, all the support has helped my confidence no end (I'm even considering singing soon!) and it's helped me to hear the bits that need work. Thanks go to all the members who pop in here and take the time to listen and comment, and all you admin working behind the scenes. Thanks everyone!  8)
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: PW62 on April 16, 2015, 03:49:00 pm
Hi all
Well this is my very first ever recording of my playing. I got inspired to learn the guitar after listening to a lovely Irish girl with the voice of an angel playing some tunes around a campfire bbq on Fiji. Was amazing .So Trish wherever you are thanks. I`m never going to be a guitar hero but would be nice to knock out a few simple songs at a Barbie  :D
Right back to the recording.. whether its my guitar or my computer I don't know but it sounds horrendous . Doesn't even sound like a guitar !!!!!! 
 Have been studying the BC properly for just over a month now and welcome any feedback.
Am having major problem using a pick but I will have to soldier on ..
https://soundcloud.com/pw62/love

Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: Rossco01 on April 16, 2015, 09:04:58 pm
Big thumbs up PW for taking the step up and making your first post. A good start and the chords dont sound too bad. They will sound better if you can get the rhythm right. Try listening to the original - youtube always good - and see if you can duplicate how the chords are played. Keep going its early days but youll get there with practice.
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: m_c on April 16, 2015, 11:23:17 pm
PW, that's reasonably good, and kudos to you for uploading it.

The main thing with the early stages, is to concentrate on getting the technique correct, and not worry too much about getting songs 'perfect'. Your song playing ability will improve as your guitar skills expand/improve.

It's also worth mentioning, that a quite a few people stick to songs that are a stage or two behind their current practise stage, as that way you can concentrate on learning/practising new individual techniques, while applying previously learnt techniques to songs. That way you don't have the double workload of trying to apply new techniques to new songs.
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: justinguitar on April 17, 2015, 09:53:27 am
BIG APPRECIATION from me @Close :)

I'm at the airport on the way to Franlfurt but will check in again on this thread when I can listen properly - great that it is so active and how much y'all supporting each other :)

Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: Boobook on April 17, 2015, 11:01:28 am
Nice one, Justin, thanks for popping in! Much appreciated by us noobs  :).

@ PW, good solid first effort. The chord changes were pretty smooth and you sounded pretty confident with them.  The rythym did sound a little erratic, might be worth trying it as 4 down strums to the bar with a metronome then embellishing that once you're happy? Keep at it mate  :).
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: PW62 on April 17, 2015, 05:04:15 pm
Thanks BooBook
have re -recorded my first attempt and I think its a bit better. I`m certainly having problems with rythmm and being able to use a pick. I feel too heavy handed and the pic is all over the place and digs into the strings. Will keep plugging away though. The track was done without the using a pick. Its driving me crazy !!!!!!!
https://soundcloud.com/pw62/love-me-do
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: Boobook on April 18, 2015, 10:57:55 am
The rythym sunds a lote better and more even, you stayed pretty well on the beat even through those little stops  :).

The pick control will come with time, relaxation is the key. I find if I tuck it into the crease in the bend of the last knuckle of my holding finger (1st finger) then fairly light contact with my thumb mostly keeps it in place.

Bring on the next song!  :D
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: PW62 on April 18, 2015, 04:15:48 pm
Well posted up my first attempt at 4 non blondes. Plenty of cockups and rythmm a bit hit and miss in places. Its so easy to let your mind run ahead enjoy the tune and then concentration goes all to xx--xx. :)

this playing guitar malarkey is not easy at all. Makes me appreciate just how amazingly fantastic and gifted the top musicians are
As usual please be totally honest with all comments and tips...daft as it may seem I feel the pressure on to perfom well when I press record.  .think i`m bonkers or do some of you feel the same ?
Paul
.https://soundcloud.com/pw62/4-non-blondes-2





Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: lunarscope on April 18, 2015, 06:41:23 pm
Not bad at all. The rhythm is more or less there and it's recognisable so well done. Only minor thought is to slow down a bit as the upstrums are getting a bit lost towards the end if the pattern.
I really enjoyed learning WU because it's one of those tunes that has such a strong strumming pattern. Same goes for Brown Eyed Girl.
I feel your pain about 'pressure to perform' as last time I tried to record BEG I gave up after about 40 attempts over the course of a couple of hours !
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: m_c on April 18, 2015, 11:34:20 pm
PW, can't really add anything to Lunar's post.
Seems pretty consistent.

think i`m bonkers or do some of you feel the same ?

I was under the impression bonkers was a requirement? ;D
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: Boobook on April 19, 2015, 12:08:20 pm
Sounding pretty good, Paul. Rhythm doesn't wander around too much, and as Lunar said, it's recognisable  :). That odd warble that the first track has reduced as well, have you changed the position of your recording gear? Nice one!
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: PW62 on April 19, 2015, 04:50:11 pm
Hi Lunarscape .. mc and BB
BB I just recorded it  onto my iPhone then just sent it to my computer.
I have no recording equipment just me an acoustic and a lot of enthusiasm :-)
Thanks for the kind words peeps
Think BEG will be next .Its a classic and one I can return to as I get better to check my progress .
Paul
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: Rossco01 on April 19, 2015, 05:03:40 pm
PW second version definitely sounded better. To be honest I think this is a pretty difficult song to get sounding like the original anyway.I've just had a quick look now in the BSB and to get it in the right key you need a  capo on the 10th fret which makes it tricky. I tried playing it against the original on YT and it isnt easy so I think you've given this one a good go.

4NB sounds ok but for me the volume was really low (it was fine on LMD).

BEG is a great one to play and one you'll continue to come back to. Once you have G & C under your belt lots of songs become available.
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: PW62 on April 20, 2015, 06:58:40 pm
Well back again with first recording of BEG. Just a small section of the record as it does repeat itself.
Followed Justin on his video and quite happy with how it worked out. Managed to get C and G under my fingers very easily and now I can play a few more tunes yeh !!!!!
Forget the "pumping" notes for the D chord I was trying to keep the rythmm going while counting 1 ,2,3,4 in my head.
Having problem with the A chord because I have big fingers and trying to get 3 fingers in one fret is a challenge for me so sometimes it sounds a bit stilted .( not used for this song obviously ) practice will hopefully remedy that.
Still cant seem to get a grip with a pick , but once again practice makes perfect. Think pennies dropped that it`s all about the rythmm so I am going to try to work on this even more.. :D
Wished id tried learning years ago.
https://soundcloud.com/pw62/brown-eyed-girl-1
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: Rossco01 on April 20, 2015, 07:42:38 pm
Sounds really good PW got that one sounding sweet from the off. No A chord in BEG though ( and I dont hear you playing one either). Definitely better rhythm.
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: Numbnuts on April 20, 2015, 09:43:20 pm
Nice work PW62, sounded great!
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: Boobook on April 21, 2015, 05:52:57 am
Great work PW, you're storming along  :D!
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: PW62 on April 21, 2015, 09:27:31 pm
Hi peeps
got the guitar out and decided to have some fun. After learning the G chord and reading under Justin`s vid on "Id rather go blind"  that with capo 2nd fret it could be played with Aminor...result.....
So just strummed along ..no set pattern....just enjoyed playing..not really bothered if it was out of synch with the song..tonight was just pure enjoyment.... fell in love with the song..she has an amazing voice...I will be returning to it in the future to give it justice .Anyhow ...here it is

 https://soundcloud.com/pw62/etta-james

Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: Boobook on April 22, 2015, 12:02:51 pm
 :D :D And that's one of the main joys of learning the instrument...Nice one!
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: Tobsen on April 24, 2015, 11:10:43 pm
Hi all,

just started with the BC in february and I think its time to get some feedback. Doing stage 5 for one week now and I feel comfortable with most of the chords. But what I struggle with the most is strumming. Just switched to a 1.38mm Jazz III to force myself strumming in a more controlled and light fashion. Do you think this is a good idea? I think my main problem is tension.

So here is my recording
http://soundcloud.com/tobias-bohnenpoll/killing-me-softly-150424-at (http://soundcloud.com/tobias-bohnenpoll/killing-me-softly-150424-at)

Thanks in advance
Tobi
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: close2u on April 25, 2015, 08:52:50 am
@ PW62
Listened to all your audio and you are making secure progress.
You have the basic in-time chord changes and steady strumming coming along just fine.
Keep at it.
NB
I'd Rather Go Blind is not regular 4/4 time so a homework for yourself may be to practice the different rhythm on that and strum properly to it ... it is 6/8 so you need to count 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 as you strum and then also focus on the accenting / dynamic / pulse of the accompaniment ... a nice song to play over for sure.
ps
I have separated your 6th song in to your own thread.
:)



@ Tobsen
That's quite a lush clean tone you're getting on your guitar.
A good first upload here ... very well played and controlled changes / strumming.
You are making fine progress.
:)




Positive vibes all round.
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: Rossco01 on April 25, 2015, 11:38:23 am
Nice playing Tobsen good timing and chord changes.
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: Boobook on April 26, 2015, 10:46:50 am
Tobsen, that sounded really nice, lovely and smooth. Changes sound relaxed and the strumming is even  :).
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: Rossco01 on April 27, 2015, 08:52:24 am
Nice start Tobsen and good to see you posting.
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: lunarscope on April 27, 2015, 07:20:27 pm
I'm now 3.5 months in and on Stage 4 BC so time for some more recordings.

I'm no too happy with the tempo as I seemed to be rushing to get them finished before I made a mistake (if that makes sense ?)

Firstly, "That's Alright" - my first tune with an alternating bass strum.

https://soundcloud.com/lunarscope/thats-alright-at-somewhere

Also, Brown Eyed Girl. I've been practising this for about six weeks and have tried about 59 times to record it without success. A bit of 'red button syndrome' caused a few problems with keeping a steady tempo (I was a bit tense during recording) but I'm reasonably happy because it's my first tune with an intro riff and 'pumping eights' chorus. This is one that I have committed to memory so also happy with that. I'm going to put this one to bed now and start on something new (will revisit it occasionally just to keep in memory).

https://soundcloud.com/lunarscope/brown-eyed-girl-at-somewhere

Comments are most welcome.  :)
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: Rossco01 on April 27, 2015, 07:53:05 pm
Great playing for 3.5 months in. Liked the tone and chord changes on Thats alright better than  BEG  but BEG was a bit more complicated. Not sure about the pumping 8s for the chorus think youd have been better from a recording perspective sticking with same pattern ( I know what J suggests in the book). Really good progress though.
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: Tobsen on April 27, 2015, 08:50:29 pm
Thanks for all your comments, much appreciated! Working on 12 bar blues now. E, A and D are there but G is a tough one, damn pinky on C7! Will upload something soon...

@lunarscope
Nice uploads! Especially That's Alright. I was working on this one too but never tried the walking bass. Should give it a try, worked really well in yours!
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: PW62 on April 27, 2015, 11:16:10 pm
Lunar scape and Tobsen ... ....great progress by both of you .... Look forward to listening to some more songs   :D
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: Boobook on April 28, 2015, 07:05:16 am
@ Lunarscope, nice work on both tracks. BEG did feel a little rushed as you said, but the changes were good and I didn't notice the tempo changing much. That intro riff is hard but you've got it, just have to (like me) work on smoothing it out. Come back to it from time to time and have another go  :).

@Tobsen, I'm hearing you on the pinky problem! I've been working on the 12 bar blues and I've basically put the blues in G aside for now, I'm going to work the C7 changes with the forcing the changes routine for quite a while before I try and play it. Pinky just won't co-operate!
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: lunarscope on April 28, 2015, 08:09:23 am
Thanks all for your comments. I think I will be moving to Stage 5 in a couple of weeks once my Stage 4 1 minute changes are up to speed (between 40 and 50 at the moment). I haven't decided on my next tune but it will probably include Stage 4 chords as learning BEG really helped with Stage 3 ones ( G and C).
@Tobsen, I also liked the tone on your recording. Changes were nice and clean and strumming very steady also. Well done.
@pw62, you sounded very confident with your playing of BEG.
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: Tobsen on May 06, 2015, 07:50:24 pm
As promised here is my new upload, a 12 bar blues in A:

https://soundcloud.com/tobias-bohnenpoll/12-bar-blues-in-a-150506-at-1 (https://soundcloud.com/tobias-bohnenpoll/12-bar-blues-in-a-150506-at-1)

(The hickup in bar 10 is a recording artifact, not me messing up ;))

Currently I'm working on another Stage 4 Song "Back to December". Really like the chord progression and strumming pattern but it's a tough one to memorize. It should help with my pinky problem, since there are a lot of changes to Fmaj7 (which I prefer to play with 4 fingers). With additional work on blues in G I want to tackle this problem before I move on to Stage 6.
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: lunarscope on May 06, 2015, 10:05:26 pm
Sounding good Tobsen. Makes me want to get out on my porch with my guitar and some Jack Daniels.  8) (If it was warm enough and I had a porch and some JD).
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: Boobook on May 07, 2015, 11:47:19 am
Nice one, Tobsen, it was all pretty even and changes were clean. Sounds like you've got the hang of the groove, too   :D.
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: Tobsen on May 27, 2015, 10:20:22 pm
I upgraded my recording capability and got myself an Apogee One :) Fiddled around with GarageBand for the first time this evening and recorded a part of "Back to December". Have fun!

https://soundcloud.com/tobias-bohnenpoll/back-to-december-150527 (https://soundcloud.com/tobias-bohnenpoll/back-to-december-150527)
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: Boobook on May 28, 2015, 11:03:50 am
That's sounding really good. Nice work!
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: Rossco01 on May 28, 2015, 12:47:05 pm
Very nice Tobsen sounded great.
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: LBro on May 28, 2015, 01:13:19 pm
@ Tobsen

Sounds good, playing seemed pretty much smooth and in time. Good job!
So how your liking the new gear? Your most likely on a Mac I would think?
I am bases on a PC, but way back I messed around with Garage Band. Come to think of it, possibly it was my first DAW, well sort of. But that is another story.

Good luck and enjoy your new capability.

LB
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: Tobsen on May 28, 2015, 08:26:12 pm
Thanks to all of you! It's really nice to record yourself practising with high quality because it emphasizes all the little mistakes and timing issues you might otherwise miss. GarageBand is great as well, especially the drummer feature, which allows me to easily create backing tracks. On the other hand I should focus more on my practice routine, so I will only turn on the DAW on the weekends :)
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: LBro on May 28, 2015, 11:20:34 pm
Yeah messing around with a DAW can be distracting. But if your disciplined you can also use the DAW for some areas of practice. One idea is to record something tough your practicing on and that is hard to get right. So record it early on, then keep practicing for a few days. After a couple weeks re-record that practiced tough spot, then listen to both and compare. You will notice good improvement in most cases.

Good recording equipment is addicting. One reason I play is so I have something to record. Also do not discount the value of playing along with those drums. As you do over a period of time, you will become much tighter.

Have fun!
LB
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: Tobsen on May 30, 2015, 12:30:12 pm
Another day another recording... This guitar stuff is really addictive!!

I worked on Sitting on the Dock of the Bay to tackle B7 and pushes and here is the result:

https://soundcloud.com/tobias-bohnenpoll/sitting-on-the-dock-of-the-bay-150530 (https://soundcloud.com/tobias-bohnenpoll/sitting-on-the-dock-of-the-bay-150530)

I will continue with Stage 6 now even if I know that I still have some work to do on B7, Fmaj7 and C7 but I will do that by song practice. Time to attack the dreaded F chord!
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: PW62 on June 02, 2015, 03:15:26 pm
Very good playing ... Good rhythm .. Good chord changes ... Well done :-)
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: Boobook on June 03, 2015, 10:41:49 am
Great effort, Tobsen, absolutely solid. You're more than ready to get onto that F chord!  :)
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: Rossco01 on June 04, 2015, 07:34:27 pm
Roll on the F Tobsen...sounds spot on to me.
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: randomlock on June 28, 2015, 10:57:49 am
hi everyone . Currently on stage 4 . Will appreciate any feedback and constructive criticism

Mad World ( gary joules)

https://soundcloud.com/abdullah-hasan-40/mad-world-recording
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: Boobook on June 28, 2015, 11:16:20 am
 :D Was just about to suggest on your other thread you might like to pop over to this one and post but you beat me to it  ;).

Little riff at the start sounds good and your chord changes and timing are pretty solid. It's recognisable. Nice one!
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: Joerfe on June 28, 2015, 11:20:23 am
Sounds good randomlock. Keep at it!


\m/ rock on \m/
end Jesper
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: randomlock on June 28, 2015, 12:24:00 pm
thank you very much guys :)
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: Rossco01 on July 02, 2015, 10:08:39 am
nice one randomlock. Good go at the nice intro and generally chords weren't too bad.
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: randomlock on July 03, 2015, 12:07:52 am
@ Rossco01

Thanks  :)
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: de_conne on July 08, 2015, 08:39:46 am
Sounds great Randomlock!

Keep at it!

regards,
de_conne
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: randomlock on July 28, 2015, 05:22:17 pm
On stage 6 of BC currently . For alternate picking i am learning sweet child o mine riff . Still need more time to make it sound decent , but my alternate picking skill is developing :)

https://soundcloud.com/abdullah-hasan-40/sweet-child-o-mine
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: de_conne on July 29, 2015, 03:37:37 pm
Makes me wanne do that riff also.  ::)

Sounds great!

regards,
de_conne
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: randomlock on July 29, 2015, 06:32:37 pm
@ de_conne

thanks :)
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: close2u on July 30, 2015, 07:07:45 am
Index updated.

@ Tobsen @ lunarscope @ randomlock

Keep it up. Good progress.

@ randomlock ... aaggh, oh no, not the SCOM intro!!  ::)



@ everyone
Please remember to give 'Good Vibes' to these folk y'all. Remember what big (relative) steps they're taking. Thanks.  :)
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: randomlock on August 01, 2015, 03:02:28 pm
Index updated.

@ Tobsen @ lunarscope @ randomlock

Keep it up. Good progress.

@ randomlock ... aaggh, oh no, not the SCOM intro!!  ::)



thanks for the good words :)
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: ojr on August 03, 2015, 08:44:25 am
Hi.

Second attempt, this time a song from the Beginner's songbook like the thread rules say: Drugs don't work by The Verve :)





Let me know what you think. Anything I should especially focus on with my training?
Been playing guitar for 9 weeks now, and I'm currently on beginner's course stage 7

Thanks.
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: close2u on August 03, 2015, 08:47:48 am
@ ojr

9 Weeks?
Are you sure?
Hey, that is some progress you're making.
Good clean chords.
Solid rhythm mostly.
Advice - make sure you don't miss any core skills and develop bad habits when learning / progressing at such speed.
:)
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: ojr on August 03, 2015, 09:26:29 am
My mistake, I counted the weeks again and found out that I've been playing little less than 11 weeks. Time moves so fast, I started practicing at the end of May. Pretty close to 9 weeks though :)

Thank you for your feedback and advice. I aim to build a solid foundation for my playing so I'm planning to play through the beginner's course once and then take some time to consolidate all the skills from the course.
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: lunarscope on August 03, 2015, 11:11:23 am
That's good playing for 9 weeks or so.
You must be racing through the lessons; are you following the practice schedule ?
I.e. one minute changes (60); rhythm (RUST) and committing songs to memory.
I ask this because the 'normal' duration for the BC is about a month per stage.
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: ojr on August 03, 2015, 04:53:13 pm
Thank you lunarscope.

I've been following the BC's practice schedule and Justin's instructions about advancing between stages. I start my day with a scheduled training session from the beginner's course and play whatever I feel like for the rest of the day. Only exercises I've been skipping are the "JUSTIN training" (chord recognition) exercises, though I plan to get on to that soon... :)
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: lunarscope on August 03, 2015, 06:08:44 pm
You're doing very well, then.  Keep it up :)
I started mid January and am now coming to the end of Stage 5 although I've learnt a few strumming patterns and minor Pent scale in advance of the lessons. I've slowed down a bit over the last three months as I was getting ahead of my learning buddy (I've now decided to move ahead at my own pace as I'm getting bored spending so much time on each stage). Still on schedule to finish BC and consolidation by year-end so fairly happy with progress so far.
I stopped doing the Ear Training at about Stage 2 as I found it too boring and I was remembering the answers.  I believe that many of us on the BC did the same.
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: Boobook on August 04, 2015, 05:13:36 am
Hi ojr,

It's sounding pretty good! Keep at it :)
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: randomlock on August 08, 2015, 07:16:29 am
Hi ojr , very good progress in 9 week . I have also started stage 7 after 12 week of learning . looks like we both will finish the bc in 6 month . I hope you are also focusing on your air changes .
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: de_conne on August 13, 2015, 09:13:50 am
Very good OJR!  ;)

Nice clean changes, and pretty good rythm for only 11 weeks.

Keep it up!

Regards,
de_conne
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: justinguitar on August 13, 2015, 10:17:59 am
@ojr

very good strumming dude, keeping time solid which is so important! only a couple of very minor delays as you change chord - nothing that won't fix itself with practice and time!

Nice chord embellishments too!

Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: justinguitar on August 13, 2015, 10:19:02 am
@lunarscope and ojr

I'll be re-writing the beginners course soon to improve the ear training elements  cos I notice they get skipped a lot ;)
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: jonrob on September 28, 2015, 07:37:49 pm
Hello,

My first recording...

https://soundcloud.com/jonathan-roberts-291677647/killing-me-softly

I'm recording so I can get a feel for how I 'actually' sound, and one thing I've noticed that I hadn't before is a kind of twang when I switch between chords. Any thoughts?

Any thoughts on any other aspect appreciated as well :-)

Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: lunarscope on September 28, 2015, 08:47:27 pm
@ jonrob
Not bad for a first recording. I've been learning KMS for a while but haven't got around to recording it yet.
The 'twang' is something I get also; with me I reckon it's because my last strum is slightly shorter/cut off in anticipation of the next chord. I now try to purposely hold the current chord for the full beat before changing to the next chord. As chord changes become better it should improve. However, with KMS I have been experimenting with releasing the current chord half a beat early and letting the open strings ring out. I think this gives a fuller sound and suits the tune very well.
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: Boobook on September 29, 2015, 04:13:30 am
Nice recording Jonrob, the chord changes were clean and you kept rhythm pretty well :). I didn't hear too much twang.
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: Sweed77 on September 29, 2015, 04:48:19 am
Well played jonrob.  Timing pretty good, smooth tone, and chord changes are smooth too.  I'm not hearing a noticeable twang either.  When you listen to your own recordings you will probably hear a lot of little things that nobody else will notice.  At least that has been my experience.  Keep 'em coming.
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: jonrob on September 29, 2015, 06:43:36 pm
Thanks for the feedback :-) I expect it's been said in this thread already, but it's so difficult, as a beginner, to gauge how you actually sound so feedback is really welcome!

I'm glad no one thought the twang was too obvious, although I will try and pay attention to how long I hold the chord for before releasing to move on - I think you could be right that I'm a bit eager sometimes.

I've been working on this, and a bunch of other songs, as part of consolidation. I think I've been going at the BC since March, so about 6 months, and have gone through some bits quickly, other bits slowly and have now at least covered all the material once. My hope is to get the songs and recordings pretty good to demonstrate to myself that I'm fairly confident and have a good handle of most of the skills,, and use them to explicitly identify the parts of the course that I haven't been as thorough with as I should so I can go back again and sure them up!

Like all of the BC and guitar in general, having a great time learning the songs :-)
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: ojr on December 19, 2015, 06:21:21 pm
It's sounding pretty good! Keep at it :)

Hi ojr , very good progress in 9 week .

Very good OJR!  ;)

@ojr

Thank you everybody for your kind words!
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: JaminCat on December 29, 2015, 10:52:27 pm
Hi All,

Any feed back on me playing would be most welcome.

[mod edit -embed code deleted to leave the link]

https://soundcloud.com/ben-short-199425083/mad-world
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: m_c on December 29, 2015, 11:06:43 pm
Jamin,

Your playing sounds good.
There is the odd blip, but overall very good for somebody on the beginner course.
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: Rossco01 on December 30, 2015, 08:52:27 am
Sounds good Jammin, nice clean chords and transitions. Rhythm remains nice and steady all the way through. Good progress and plus one for posting.
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: close2u on December 30, 2015, 10:16:35 am
@JaminCat
Nicely played, clean and smooth.
One point ... Slow the tempo down a fraction, you are playing slightly faster than you can change chords. With the strumming pattern you play there is a small but noticeable time-lag from one bar of strumming to the next.
Keep up the good work.
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: JaminCat on December 30, 2015, 11:12:09 am
@Rossco01 & @m_c

Thanks for the encouragement :)

@close2u

I'll try slowing down abit. It's so tempting to want to go full speed though.
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: Boobook on January 01, 2016, 02:04:30 am
Nice one, Jamin! Chords are clean and you sound nice and smooth. Are you playing with a metronome?
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: JaminCat on January 01, 2016, 03:15:04 pm
Nice one, Jamin! Chords are clean and you sound nice and smooth. Are you playing with a metronome?

Thanks Boobook. I'm not using a metronome why do you ask?
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: Boobook on January 01, 2016, 10:44:00 pm
It's a really good way of keeping your rhythm steady and avoiding that little chord change time lag Close is talking about. Your timing is sound otherwise, so I had to ask  :).
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: JaminCat on January 02, 2016, 11:46:29 am
It's a really good way of keeping your rhythm steady and avoiding that little chord change time lag Close is talking about. Your timing is sound otherwise, so I had to ask  :).
I have tried a few times to play with a metronome. I found that I wanted to go faster than the 60bpm it was doing. I will have to give it another go to try and stop the pauses.

Sent from my SM-G920F using Tapatalk

Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: m_c on January 02, 2016, 09:27:00 pm
I have tried a few times to play with a metronome. I found that I wanted to go faster than the 60bpm it was doing. I will have to give it another go to try and stop the pauses.

60BPM will be a struggle for most people. It's a bit slow for you to naturally get in the groove of without practise, so it's usually better to pick something in the 70-80bpm area to begin with, then gradually push your limits in both directions. Practising with a metronome might seem like a major headache, but stick with it, as it works wonders for timekeeping. I used to never bother, and it showed, so I made a point of using one nearly all the time, and I feel it's helped not only my timekeeping, but also my rhythm in general.
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: m_c on January 30, 2016, 09:28:25 pm
I'm going to bump this thread.

Where are all the beginners?
It's over a month since all the inevitable crimbo presents/new year resolutions to learn guitar, so you should of had plenty time to massacre learn something!  ;D
But seriously, uploading and letting others comment on your playing is an excellent way to get feedback and tips on what you need to practice on.

To answer the inevitable questions, for the cheapest method (assuming your computer has a microphone), Audacity (http://www.audacityteam.org/) is a nice easy to use recording package for Windows/Mac/Linux, and Soundcloud (http://soundcloud.com) lets you upload and share 3hrs worth of audio for free.
The more expensive method involves getting an audio interface (I've personally got a Focusite 2i2, but plenty others exist), which will often come with a cut down version of a commercial DAW (Digital Audio Workbench).
Or you can record/upload via your phone, but that's not a method I can give suggestions for as I've never done it!

Alternatively, if you're not camera shy, Youtube is another option.

And if you need further help, have a search through the Audio - MIDI - Recording (https://justinguitarcommunity.com/index.php?board=85.0) board and ask any questions there.
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: Davdo on January 30, 2016, 10:27:42 pm
Ok I recorded just part of the song with my phone. I'm 6 months in at stage 6 learning F :-)
https://soundcloud.com/davdo-davdi/sitting-on-the-dock-of-the-bay
Any feedback would mean a lot, so if there is something wrong I'm ready to work on it.
Thank you, Davor!
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: JetCityCobra on January 31, 2016, 05:28:17 am
@ Davdo

The only thing I can think of is to play the entire song.  What you have there sounds very nice, and its difficult to believe you were able to achieve that sound recording through your phone!.  The strum pattern you're using works well with the song and you have the tempo nice and steady.  Very nice tone.   :)
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: Boobook on January 31, 2016, 10:20:19 am
Pretty good, Davdo! Steady rhythm, nice smooth chord changes, no hesitations....good work! Keep 'em coming :).
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: Sweed77 on January 31, 2016, 03:18:55 pm
@ Davdo

Nice steady strumming and very nice tone.  Keep doing what you're doing it is working.  :)
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: Rossco01 on January 31, 2016, 03:40:03 pm
Sounds good Davdo and nice progress.
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: Curtis Suter on January 31, 2016, 05:05:50 pm
Very Nice Davdo!
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: Davdo on January 31, 2016, 06:04:57 pm
Thank you guys for the feedback, it means a lot!   :)

@JetCityCobra Thank you and I will record next time longer. The phone was S5 and I think that quality is standard for the phone.
@Boobook Thank you and I think next will be killing me softly, It is nice chord sequence IMO.
@Sweed77 Thx, strumming was my biggest concern lately.
@Rossco01 and @Curtis Suter Thank you!
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: de_conne on February 05, 2016, 08:50:26 am
Davado,

Pretty good. That's more than average for only 6 months in!!!

Keep it up!

regards,
de_conne
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: de_conne on April 04, 2016, 05:39:24 am
lol, I seemed to have killed this thread...  :D

Not a single reply in 2 months...

C'mon guys!!!  ;)

regards,
de_conne
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: close2u on April 04, 2016, 09:22:06 am
Index on page 1 updated.
lunarscope has now graduated with 5 posts.
Keep giving encouragement and good vibes folk.
Keep on posting.
 :)
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: Omar on April 23, 2016, 11:26:58 am
I started BC month ago. I have chosen to stop at A,D and E Chords to practice more and reach the recommended "One Minute Changes". However, I feel like I'm doing the same mistakes over and over. I sometimes make 10 successful changes (A,D,A), other times I do horrible sounds  ;D

Link: https://vimeo.com/163914111
Password: 9720168

Here is a video of my trial today. Please tell me what am I doing wrong? Where/How should I improve and speed up jumping from Chord to another.

Thank you in advance.

Omar
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: joueur de guitare on April 23, 2016, 12:21:07 pm

Can't see video - privacy settings.

The key to chord changes is:- start slow, get it down, speed up...gradually. Doesn't have to be perfect, but it does need to be fairly consistent.

If you're sloppy doing it slow, you're going to be even more sloppy trying to do it faster. Don't practice doing it wrong, practice doing it right.

Some people use a metronome for one minute changes. I don't, because I figure that one minute changes are about building up fluency, not timing. The timing comes when you practice strumming patterns. Playing song and/or chord progressions brings the two (timing and fluency) together. But that's just my opinion, and it's worth exactly what you paid for it ;)
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: Omar on April 23, 2016, 12:36:24 pm
Hi joueur de guitare :)

Thank you for your input. You can access the video by clicking "Watch on Vimeo" the password is hidden in my previous post, just hover over it with your mouse cursor to reveal it.
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: Boobook on April 24, 2016, 12:50:14 pm
Hi Omar and welcome!  :)

A couple of things come to mind watching your video. Firstly, just check the tuning on your guitar, it sounds a little out, and that will sound weird when you try to get your chords right. Next, and this is particularly for the D chord, try and get your fingers right up against the fret. Your fingers 1 and 3 are good but that 3rd finger especially needs to stretch out along the fingerboard and press the string down just behind the fret. The other thing you can do is experiment with the position of your thumb at the back of the neck--you may find if you use the pad of your thumb at the back there it will free up more movement in your fingers.

Your movements are quite thoughtful and smooth so once your fingers know where to go the speed will pick up quite fast.
Stick with it, keep really slow with plenty of pick-strum-pick exercises and the speed will come  :).
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: Omar on May 01, 2016, 11:56:58 pm
First off, thanks to all whom commented on my previous video, I do appreciate each and every word you have said.

I hope, in my next video, I was able to avoid previous mistakes and managed to apply your advice. I posting another video practicing "Three little birds". I want to master the three chords before I proceed further with new chords.

Please, please, please...ignore my ugly voice  ;D I even didn't memorize its' lyrics.

Thank you in advance.

Omar

Video: https://vimeo.com/164931075
Password: 9720168

Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: close2u on May 02, 2016, 12:33:25 am
@ Omar
Steady strumming, keeping it nice and simple and steady ... 1, 2, 3, 4
Making good use of the anchor finger to change chords efficiently.
You miscounted just on the first change yo E chord and it threw your rhythm for a short time.
All good so far for this stage of learning.
Good vibes
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: Omar on May 02, 2016, 08:28:06 am
@ close2u

Thank you so much, for your encouraging words and vibes!

Do you recommend I move to next lesson? Or wait a bit and practice more on the three basic chords? Of course I'll be always practicing them along with new ones.
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: Boobook on May 02, 2016, 11:51:40 am
You're doing pretty well there, nice smooth clear changes. Top stuff.

I'd jump in to the next stage, you will certainly keep practising the first 3 chords as you go along with the new ones. Well done!  8)
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: Omar on May 02, 2016, 05:41:54 pm
Boobook, thanks a lot! I'm still playing "Three little Chords" to keep me warm and confident until I choose a new beginner song to play.

Good luck to you!
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: Rossco01 on May 02, 2016, 06:06:28 pm
Omar, yep keep practicing. A girl like you is good for Stage 2 and Brown Eyed Girl for Stage 3. If you're looking for a slight progression on Stage 1 then Walk the Line is ace.
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: Omar on May 02, 2016, 09:46:48 pm
Omar, yep keep practicing. A girl like you is good for Stage 2 and Brown Eyed Girl for Stage 3. If you're looking for a slight progression on Stage 1 then Walk the Line is ace.

I'm so sorry, I misunderstood your post, I didn't know that "a girl like you" is a song. I thought, you think I was a girl. I'm terribly sorry  :-[

I'll check walk the line, thank you for suggestions :)
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: Rossco01 on May 02, 2016, 09:50:08 pm
Lol no worries .. i should have put it in capitals. Enjoy
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: Jackl on May 19, 2016, 05:35:27 pm
Hi all :)

just started playing guitar 4 months ago.

Here is a Audio of Mad World

https://soundcloud.com/user-139849891/sprache00164

   
Any thoughts or feedback on my playing are appreciated :-)
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: close2u on May 19, 2016, 05:53:04 pm
@ Jackl
Welcome to the forum.
A good steady job on playing and singing.
Thumbs up.
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: Rossco01 on May 19, 2016, 08:44:31 pm
Nice playing jacki and great vocal.
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: Fox Cunning on May 19, 2016, 09:12:46 pm
Great first post, Jackl :) Good playing and awesome vocals!
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: guitar65riff on May 20, 2016, 09:02:30 am
@ Jackl
I really like it. You're doing well for 4 months to sing in tune and play at the same time. Well done. Nice voice too
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: Boobook on May 20, 2016, 11:23:41 am
4 months! Awesome progress :). Clean notes, you kept rhythm well throughout and the vocals were really nice to listen to as well. Keep 'em coming!
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: asic on May 22, 2016, 02:45:55 pm
Okay, seeing everyone posting is motivating me too to get my mistakes reviewed... :D

Here's a stage 2 song, Girl like you. I just did normal 4 down strums as Justin recommended for beginners. That said, I did try the "old faithful" but its not quite perfect to my ear itself so no point in posting it asking for review.

Anyway, here we go. Now my voice sucks so I just played 12 bars without singing.

   
I guess I don't meet some criteria for embedding sound cloud. Here's the link, hoping it works -> https://soundcloud.com/user-623573567/girl-like-you
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: Omar on May 22, 2016, 04:20:44 pm
Great job! I tried playing this song, I got stuck at Dmin chord.

I don't think your voice is worse than mine ;)
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: Rossco01 on May 22, 2016, 05:54:41 pm
You did a pretty good job there Asic and nothing wrong at this stage keeping it simple. Just carry on with what you're doing
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: asic on May 22, 2016, 06:46:14 pm
Great job! I tried playing this song, I got stuck at Dmin chord.

I don't think your voice is worse than mine ;)

Yeah, Dmin needs some practice. I actually tried recording it yesterday. Played for almost 2 hours but I couldn't play it well. Tried it today and it magically worked. So I guess, its all practice as Justin say. :)

Oh and you gotta hear it once. Your opinion will change. That will be soon. :P
On the side note, I saw your video and it was nice to listen. Doesn't sound odd at all.

You did a pretty good job there Asic and nothing wrong at this stage keeping it simple. Just carry on with what you're doing

Thank you Rossoco01. Its little tempting to reproduce exactly like Justin shows in video but yeah, I think that will take sometime. Thank you for your time and listening it.
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: Omar on July 29, 2016, 11:40:37 pm
I got so busy for the last two month, so I had no time to follow my usual daily practice. However, last week, I wanted to try something new, as Justin says, practice something you don't know. This is what I'm recently doing. Although I'm still in stage-2, yet I watched C and G chords videos, I wanted to try something new.

Here is the first result for 1 week "Fast Car" practice. I know I lack fast change between C and G. Also, I'm trying to avoid muting strings. It doesn't sound so good to me. How would I achieve that in fingerstyle?

1) slow change from C to G
2) muting strings
3) I'm sure you'll notice things that I couldn't ;)

PS. Sorry for the bad quality of the video.

https://vimeo.com/176808376
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: close2u on July 30, 2016, 08:46:06 am
@ Omar
You're on Stage 2 and are playing a difficult Stage 8 song.
That's ambitious and certainly taking the play what you can't philosophy to a high level.
Kudos for trying.
The difficulties you are having will easy with time and practice of working through the other parts of the beginner course and learning easier songs, developing technique in small chunks.
Seriously, this is a tricky song to play well for more than a few cycles of the repeated section.
Keep up the good work.
:)
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: Rossco01 on July 30, 2016, 11:09:37 am
Omar that is a really tricky song to play so I think youre doing pretty well
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: Omar on July 30, 2016, 02:40:47 pm
@close2 / @Rossco01 Thank you so much for your motivation. I will work on C & G fast changes in stage-3 to element in the pause at the beginning :)
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: Boobook on August 01, 2016, 12:09:59 pm
Good to see you posting an update Omar :). You're doing well on that one; as Close and Rossco have said it's a tricky song. Fingerstyle is a whole new level of complication when you're used to strumming, so don't sweat getting this one perfect at this stage! Just get those chord changes nice and smooth and the rest will come.
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: Omar on August 01, 2016, 01:22:49 pm
@ Boobook

Thank you! I'm playing the same song every night for about 30 mins, I can notice some improvement. My movement from C to G is slightly faster. I'm happy that I'm able to do a tricky song, it gives me a boost and more self-confidence :)
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: asic on August 15, 2016, 01:29:25 pm
Hi guys,

Had been away from guitar from couple of months. I had lost motivation because of my incorrect decision. I thought I'll make my chord changes from "any to any" chord perfect (60 changes a minute) at stage 3. I've been doing just that since 1.5 months and just had grown tired because I never achieved the perfection I was expecting to. Thanks to Omar, we've been sharing our progress since long via private messages and looking at his message a couple of days ago has fired up my engine yet again. Fortunately, I am able to recall pretty much everything and back to the same spot where I left (Stage 3). Excluding the break, I am playing for almost 3 months now.

Here's my attempt at How to save a life -> https://soundcloud.com/user-623573567/how-to-save-a-life/s-dLszu

Please excuse my voice. I know it sucks but somehow playing just G & D for so long just sounded very mundane so I recorded the voice separately and synced it. Suddenly, the guitar started sounding much better to me despite my poor singing. Also I messed up a little near the end. :D

But anyhow, just wanted to share it. Its not perfect or anywhere near perfect but I am learning. I guess I can move on to Stage 4 while practicing chord changes.
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: m_c on August 15, 2016, 11:44:47 pm
asic, that was nice consistent playing apart from the glitch near the end.

And don't get stuck trying to perfect the one minute changes. One minute changes are not about perfection!
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: Omar on August 16, 2016, 10:03:05 pm
@asic well done buddy! Your strumming sounds perfect for me, the same as in your previous post. I don't think you've lost what you've learnt :) keep it up!

Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: Omar on August 17, 2016, 11:28:32 pm

If I'm not mistaken, this post will be my last post on this thread, I will have to start a new thread to showcase my progress.

Here is another video of the same song after less than three weeks of daily practice. I still haven't gone through the chorus, there will be another video - better quality - of the entire song.

I tried singing along, but I couldn't, it is really difficult to do so. So I raise my hat for anyone who was able to play such a tricky song and sing at the same time :)

https://vimeo.com/179253710

PS: @asic consider this a teaser ;)
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: asic on August 18, 2016, 06:34:30 am
@ m_c

Thank you. Yes, I learned that very hard way. Almost had lost it if it was not for this forum.


@ Omar

Wow man! I've been dying to play Nothing else matters but no avail at finger style. I think I'll move with the flow of BC... :D
I saw the previous video and this one, the progress is enormous!
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: close2u on August 18, 2016, 07:46:15 am
Good progress Omar. That work is paying off.

I recommend for your general all round learning and guitar progress that you now leave that song behind for a while.
Focus on acquiring new skills as you move through the beginner course and apply them to different songs.
It's not good long-term to focus only on a narrow set of learning objectives.
Keep up the good work.
:)


ps
You've posted 4 videos by my count so you have one more available in this thread if you want.

Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: Omar on August 18, 2016, 09:54:54 am
@ close2u

You are absolutely right. The thing is, I stopped at A Girl Like you before Ramadan (June) as I had no time to play guitar. When Ramadan finished, I got busy with work, I live in Marbella so it's high season here. To keep my fingers warm after more than a month without playing, I picked that song and learned C & G chords, in addition to fingers stretching exercises and finger gym.

Now, I will get back to stage-2 songs before I completely jump to stage-3 :)
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: Boobook on August 20, 2016, 12:05:11 pm
@Asic, good work there, you're well and truly ready to move on. Beware that search for perfection trap! I've fallen into that one a few times, when sometimes all you need to do is put the quest away and come back to it later and things are magically working better!

@ Omar, you've done really well on that song. Looking forward to hearing your next recordings! :)
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: batwoman on September 09, 2016, 04:22:17 am
I've just found this thread and I'm So Excited. What a great idea! My cat is the only one who hears me play, so I've set myself a challenge to record something before the end of the year (screaming inside as I type this  :o). This is just what I need to motivate me as I'm down in the dumps right now when it comes to guitar playing.  :'( The only thing I have to record on is my android phone. Will that be OK? If there is something better, can someone tell me please?
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: Rossco01 on September 09, 2016, 08:15:33 am
Welcome batwoman and glad you found the thread. As you'll see its given inspiration and confidence to lots of people who are learning. Use whatever you've got to record on for the time being (all be it you'll probably get the bug and want to buy something better latter on) and don't worry about how it'll be received as it's all about support on this forum rather than any criticism
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: Omar on September 09, 2016, 08:22:58 am
Hi batwoman :) since you found this thread, you should give your cat a break ;) we look forward to listening to your recordings!
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: batwoman on September 10, 2016, 03:08:58 am
Thanks Rossco01 and omar, you might be sorry you've encouraged me  ;D.
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: close2u on September 10, 2016, 09:37:57 am
@ batwoman

Join in the fun and it's great to read how this thread has inspired you.
Many folk hereabouts record on mobile devices so don't let that hold you back.
Sure the audio quality isn't top notch, but if we can hear you it's all good.
:)
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: batwoman on September 11, 2016, 07:28:21 am
Thanks close2u, feel encouraged but still too scared to 'go public'. Is there a thread that explains how to upload an audio file to this thread? I know how to upload from my phone to my computer, but not the rest. This is such an awesome community and website. I'm so glad I found it and folk like you.
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: close2u on September 11, 2016, 09:36:28 am
batwoman
create a free soundcloud account
record yourself
upload to soundcloud
copy the link
post the link here

note
you need a minimum of 5 posts to copy / paste web links in the forum
 :)
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: Sweed77 on September 11, 2016, 05:57:06 pm
@ batwoman

Let me join the others in encouraging you to start posting your songs\playing here.  This is the friendliest forum I have ever participated in and is all about support and helping you become a better player.   :)
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: batwoman on September 12, 2016, 03:39:41 am
Thanks so much close2u for the info, really appreciate your taking the time to help me  :) Will look into it after I've finished my Finger Gym (gawd I hate the hammer-on exercise, but know I need to get my little finger strong and to get my hand to strrrrettch further). Thanks too to Sweed77 for the encouragement though I'm still screaming inside at the thought of anyone other than my cat hearing me  :o  You guys rock  8)
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: Laila on September 12, 2016, 01:26:56 pm
Hey batwoman, what stage are you on and what songs are you trying out? I'll join you in recording something by the end of the year if you like (eek, did I just write that??) :-D

I'm on stage 2 (and have been for aaages), and the cat will only hang out where I'm practicing if she's really hungry.

Currently trying to learn "I'd rather go blind" and "Chocolate Jesus".

Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: Omar on September 12, 2016, 10:36:17 pm
I will join both of you, @batwoman and @laila. I too am at stage-2 working on "A Girl Like You", so I'll use my last chance here before I move to my own progress thread. Hopefully I manage to record the song by the end of this week.

Let the fun begin :)
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: batwoman on September 13, 2016, 02:57:51 am
Hi Omar and Laila, so good to connect with other newbies. My cat used to leave the room when I practised, now she stays and tries to help my fretting hand.  :) To answer your questions, I'm learning a few songs. Started out just downloading stuff from the internet that I liked and watching YouTube videos, even though they were way out of my league. YouTube was how I found Justin's site. I bought the first songbook and began working through the lessons in June. So it's all a bit messy, just like my playing  :-\  I'm at stage 2 and working through the videos at that level. I can play I Walk the Line sort of OK. I'm also learning A Girl Like You (haven't figured out all the riff yet). I can play (only downward strums) Killing Me Softly, Hallelujah (rough), American Pie (this was the first song I started learning) and sometimes I can play it OK. Still feel much to nervous to record anything. Looking forward to hearing your songs  :D
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: Laila on September 13, 2016, 06:07:59 pm
@ Jackl
re: audio of Mad World


I was just browsing this thread.

This was *really* nice!
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: batwoman on September 14, 2016, 01:18:03 am
Wow how impressive! Playing just 4 months. I wonder how he got such a clear recording? Thanks a lot Laila for this share.
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: de_conne on September 15, 2016, 08:14:07 am
Good to see this thread come back to live!!!

Back in the day, this thread sure did us good (confidence wise)! Right Rossco and Sweed?  ;)

Welcome guys!

regards,
de_conne
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: Omar on September 17, 2016, 10:03:38 pm
Well, time has come...this video is my last on this thread :'( consider it my graduation project  ;)

Mind my voice and lyrics, I just couldn't memorize the song  ;D

I've been practicing the strumming pattern "D Du uD" as well as C minor Pentatonic scale.

I look forward to hearing your feedback :)

Edit: A Girl Like You - Stage 2

https://vimeo.com/183142721
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: batwoman on September 17, 2016, 10:56:50 pm
I'm impressed Omar!  Love your smooth chord changes, especially from Am to Dm (I still make a bit of a mess of Dm). Good on you for working out the riff, loved that you stopped and played it. and your singing is just fine. You've inspired me to finish learning this song. I haven't figured out the last little bit of the riff. What will be your next? Good job  8)
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: Omar on September 17, 2016, 11:18:09 pm
Wow @batwoman! That's too much! I appreciate your encouraging comment and sweet words :)

It took me some time to improve changes between Am and Dm, but I finally made it! I practiced the same song over and over. I actually have challenged myself to play the song with the strumming pattern.

Regarding the riff, I watched Justin's video many times in order to nail it. I wrote down the notes and started practicing the riff. If you want, i can record a video and share a Tab.

My next challenges aren't going to be easy at all. For stage 3 "how to save a life", for stage 4 "save tonight".

It is your turn now, impress us, you can do it :)

Once again, thank you :)
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: batwoman on September 17, 2016, 11:22:46 pm
Thanks Omar for the offer, really kind of you. I want to figure it out myself, it makes my brain work and helps me learn a few more notes  :o I tried recording a few songs I'm learning on my phone and they sound absolutely horrible. My cat threatened to call animal welfare  ;D
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: asic on September 18, 2016, 05:39:38 am
@Omar, this time you nailed it. Your progressions are very smooth. It was very pleasing to listen.

@batwoman, Omar is definitely the person who seem to inspire everyone around here. I had a break and lost interest. His posts, looking at the progress he made step by step has brought me back to playing.
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: Omar on September 18, 2016, 07:43:51 am
@ batwoman

Sure, great idea. In case you get stuck, we are here to help :)

I always find my videos horrible; however, I post them to hear others opinions to give me a push, confidence and correct my mistakes.

I guess your cats is threatening you to post a video haha.

@ asic

Man, I'm speechless..I'm glad I'm able to payback by inspiring other members :)

It's your turn now. Next song will take me long, so inspire me ;)
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: Laila on September 19, 2016, 08:44:24 am
Very nice, Omar, smooth and very pleasant to listen to! I look forward to changing the chords that well...
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: Omar on September 19, 2016, 10:20:01 am
Thank you, Laila  ;D I'm glad you liked the video :)

You can do it, just practice, spend more time on the same song. I started with slow normal strumming / picking / strumming, until I made sure that my fingers are placed properly. Anyway, you'll notice this while strumming by hearing a weird tone.

Come on @Laila and @batwoman, show us something!  ;)
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: batwoman on September 20, 2016, 02:29:51 am
Better watch out Laila - omar is on to us  ;D. My deadline for posting something is December 31. My playing seems to be getting worse, or it might be that my ear is better and I'm hearing more awful sounds.  :-[ The current project is to play without any buzzing strings.
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: close2u on September 20, 2016, 06:41:19 am
You don't need to be so perfect and improve so much before recording in here.
That's some of the raison d'etre.
To record your improvement and maybe gain tips to progress more.
What I'm saying is don't make us wait that long!
 :)
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: Omar on September 20, 2016, 08:43:37 am
@ batwoman

Since I still don't have my own progress thread, any consultancy on this thread is totally free. Once I move out, things will change and you'll have to pay :P

Your cat has messaged me and said you're doing very well ;)

@ close2u

I have benefited a lot from this thread and others of course :)
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: batwoman on September 22, 2016, 02:15:24 am
Close and Omar you guys are a treat  :). Sorry it's taken me a while to reply, my internet connection has been as dodgy as my guitar playing  :'(. Thanks for encouragement and butt kicking. I realise I must get something posted before Omar goes on to his own highly paid consultancy and perhaps Close will find living in a parallel universe more to his taste. I promise I keep trying but when I record something my beautiful guitar sounds like a tractor clanking over a road of chains, and my attempts at playing and singing are sh#t. It can sound sort of allright till I record and I go completely to pieces. I know I'm a tragic  :o PS Omar my cat has very poor taste in music  ;D.
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: m_c on September 22, 2016, 08:37:52 pm
Finally got a chance to watch, and you're sound good Omar!

Batwoman/Laila, get recording!
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: asic on September 23, 2016, 08:03:13 am
@ batwoman

I totally understand what you're feeling right now. Looking at the people posting in this thread and how good they play (as a beginner) is making you hesitate because you feel yours is not good enough. Well, we all go through that but remember, at this point, the expectation from you is to make the guitar ring something. If you can make even slightest melody, its nothing less than applaud worthy.

So keep aside the hesitation and jump in. After all its free to post and you've unlimited chances to correct yourselves and post again. You've nothing to loose here and just to gain. This will also make sure that you don't end up practicing the wrong ways.

If you still keep hesitating I won't be surprised if your cat post a petition on change.org in coming days... :P
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: Omar on September 23, 2016, 08:46:15 am
@ asic

Well said, Nick :)

@ m_c

Thank you! \m/ (*_*) \m/
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: m_c on September 23, 2016, 09:35:14 pm
I'll just reinforce what others have said, that first recording is the hardest, but is so worth it.
Even if you think it's totally horrendous, it gives you a goal to make sure your next recording is better, and it also gives you something to listen back to and realise that you are improving.
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: batwoman on September 25, 2016, 07:01:38 am
Thought I should give you a progress report. The cat is busy improving her shredding (of my fretting hand) and she's agreed to do the backing vocals for me.
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: Omar on October 06, 2016, 09:22:56 am
@
batwoman

Don't let this thread die...you're our last hope  :'(

 ;)
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: clutterfingers on October 23, 2016, 02:41:53 pm
Are people still using this thread? If so I'd love to get your feedback on my recording of Please forgive me, by David Gray, just the chorus. Recorded it a while ago.

Tried to record something fresh today to upload but kept messing up under the pressure haha.

   
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: Omar on October 23, 2016, 06:16:02 pm


Welcome to the forum, clutterfingers :)

Your link is hidden because you are new. You have to post a couple of posting before getting the privilege to post links. Maybe you can introduce yourself at this thread: https://justinguitarcommunity.com/index.php?topic=1054.0
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: close2u on October 23, 2016, 07:11:07 pm
Here is your link
clutterfingers


 
https://soundcloud.com/andrea-auburn/voice-012-2



ps
You need five posts
Check the first sections in the forum
😄
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: close2u on October 23, 2016, 07:21:44 pm
@ clutterfingers
Hello and welcome 😄
The most important things are coming together nicely.
You have the tempo, feel and groove going nicely.
Your changes need some tidying up to make them smooth and free flowing.
You have the bass run going well.
How long have you been learning etc?
Tell us more and upload more
👍🏽
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: clutterfingers on October 24, 2016, 11:54:17 am
Thanks so much for sharing the link for me and for your kind feedback. I've been playing six months now but that one was probably around three months. Can't believe how much I stumbled yesterday when trying to record a new track to upload! More to come though :)
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: lihp8270 on November 20, 2016, 09:43:57 pm
So, here goes nothing!

Roberta Flack - Killing me Softly
https://soundcloud.com/lihp8270/killing-me-softly/s-WJU0Y

I'm really not a singer, my OH isn't around to do some vocals.  So you will have to excuse the singing.

At least it's not Honey G though :D
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: Rossco01 on November 20, 2016, 09:57:04 pm
A good start lihp8270. Chord changes sound smooth. I think it would sound better if you slowed it right down. Vocal needs to be a little clearer ( youre mumbling slightly ) but I suspect would clean up nicely if you slowed down and sang a little louder. Big plus though for recording and posting. Looking forward to hearing the next version and more.

How long have you been playing?
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: lihp8270 on November 20, 2016, 10:01:03 pm
@ Rossco01

I really am not a good or confident singer so hopefully that improves with time.  I agree though, a little fast for that song.

I've been playing since around September.  Although I did play a bit of guitar for a while back in my school days so not "entirely" new to it.  I struggle with the B7 when using a capo, it always seems to get in the way a bit.
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: Rossco01 on November 20, 2016, 10:02:20 pm
@clutterfingers As per Closes comments its a good start. Slightly hesitant on the chord changes but not unexpected at this stage of your learning. Keep practicing and do try and learn the rest of the song.
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: Rossco01 on November 20, 2016, 10:04:35 pm
@lihp8270 the B7 is a tricky one. I re-recorded this a month or so ago and it still catches me out . B7 is not a chord that comes up regularly in the songs I learn.
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: The_Hodge75 on November 26, 2016, 10:52:28 am
Great to stumble across this thread and see where other beginner players are, I have tried to post but think I am too much of a newbie for now :( Will continue to work on my three little birds and pop back later :D
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: Laila on November 26, 2016, 01:39:38 pm
Gotta start somewhere, here's my first stab at recording something. I'm working on the strumming pattern, but it's a bit much at the moment.

So pleased at finally figuring out how to get from Am to C - surprise surprise, by doing exactly what I do in the 1-minute changes. It's a little slow, but any faster and I get a whole lot more of what happened at the end... ;-)

https://soundcloud.com/user-198441418/whats-up-2016-11-26
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: Omar on November 26, 2016, 01:46:29 pm
@ The_Hodge75

Welcome! We look forward to listening to your records. Good luck practicing :)
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: Omar on November 26, 2016, 01:51:32 pm
@ Laila

lol @ the "outro" 😂

Very impressive vocals, really nice just like your name (night in Arabic). Changes are smooth; buzzing is something we can't avoid, we beginners. Keep it up!
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: Laila on November 26, 2016, 02:18:06 pm
Thank you, Omar! Much appreciated  :)

Trying to record something really made me wonder how many takes recording artists usually have before they nail it? ;D


Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: lihp8270 on November 26, 2016, 02:29:30 pm
Here we go, recording attempt 2.

https://soundcloud.com/lihp8270/working-class-hero/s-9uiLu

Working Class Hero from Stage 3.  I have still not yet been graced with vocal ability.  But here it is :D
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: Fox Cunning on November 26, 2016, 02:30:04 pm
That was a really nice effort Laila, very good vocals too!

And yeah, unless it's a live (or live studio) record, many artists have to do many takes and then often splice the best parts together. But that's to achieve as close to perfection as they can, not just to "nail it" once :D
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: Laila on November 26, 2016, 02:33:03 pm
@ lihp8270

But you play beautifully! I'm very impressed, it sounds so effortless.
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: Fox Cunning on November 26, 2016, 07:03:30 pm
Solid strumming, lilhp!
About the vocals: keep practising and that will improve as well. Recording and then listening to yourself always helps.
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: Rossco01 on November 26, 2016, 09:33:32 pm
Great job Laila nice solid strumming and lovely vocal.
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: Rossco01 on November 26, 2016, 09:50:32 pm
Good playing lilhp. Nice solid rhythm and itll get better as you practice more.
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: Sweed77 on November 27, 2016, 04:36:37 am
Laila,

That is a very nice first recording, well done.  Solid strumming, good chord changes, and a very nice vocal :)
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: Sweed77 on November 27, 2016, 04:48:25 am
lihp

Agree with the others, solid strumming and changes.  For the vocal just keep singing and you might be surprised at how much it will improve.  Keep 'em coming.  :)
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: batwoman on November 27, 2016, 05:29:41 am
Laila what a thrill to hear your first recording. Well done! I love the gentleness in your voice and as others have noticed, a good, steady rhythm. I hope you're feeling very proud of yourself  :)
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: batwoman on November 27, 2016, 05:31:56 am
lihp8270 good on your for putting up your recording. The others are right when they say that practise is the key to improving anything that you feel isn't quite up to par yet. Looking forward to hearing of your progress.
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: close2u on November 27, 2016, 10:23:04 am
Just been catching up with post 1, noting the most recent posts so that all are now included.
Now to llisten and comment on the wonderful contributors.

@ Omar

re: A Girl Like You.
A very confident and powerful performance. Lots of good.
Some suggestions ...
There is a ringing note that is slightly 'off' when you change chords but keep the strumming going - especially around the D minor chord. Can you incorporate a quick palm mute to deaden the strings, stop that ringing note and accentuate the chord change. This will give you a syncopated rhythm and introduce a more varied dynamic.
Also, challenge, can you find all the notes of that main lead riff within the chords? Can you play the riff as you make the chord changes? Almost arpeggiating the chords and accompanying yourself with the riff.



@ lihp8270

re: Killing Me Softly
No comment on the vocal from me. I am a famed and renowned non-singer whom murders songs on a regular basis. Much to my wife's consternation.
The guitar is very smooth and fluent, you seem to be playing this at full-tilt, (maybe super-fast?) and coping with the changes. Well done on that. Good stuff.

re: Working Class Hero
More good work on the guitar - chord changes, steady playing etc all good. Again, you're playing fast. Is this a 'red-button' reaction? Try to slow down to get the opportunity to create dynamics within the song. It doesn't need to be pedal to the metal. That said, you keep it good and steady throughout. Well done.


@ Laila
re: What's Up
Really nice. Your voice has lots of potential and if you keep practicing you'll have years of wonderful enjoyment accompanying yourself. Even at this slower pace, where you have to s-t-r-e-t-c-h the phrasing you sing it fine. The guitar playing is even, steady and clear which is exactly what you should be wanting at this stage. Good job.
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: Laila on November 27, 2016, 11:49:10 am
Thank you so much for all the friendly and kind comments! I've always enjoyed singing, but I don't think I've ever actually heard a recording of myself before. My challenge is actually to focus on listening to the guitar, instead of just singing over my mistakes ;-)

Progression is steady but slow, but at some point I'll be able to record at tempo.

Batwoman, looking forward to hearing your first!

Sent fra min C6903 via Tapatalk

Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: chix2 on November 27, 2016, 02:08:56 pm
@ lihp8270

hiya not bad on the both killling me softly and the working class hero.. i do agree with close2 maybe just chill back little on the speed.. but the changes an that are smooth..  the voclas will get there its not easy sing an play at same time..

by the way ive PM yout bout amp Q you had


chix
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: chix2 on November 27, 2016, 02:16:18 pm
@ Laila

re: whats up song

good shot at this one, your vocals are good im impressed with them.. And Yeah lol at the outro ending shhhh !! :)

chix
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: batwoman on November 28, 2016, 02:41:09 am
Close what a gem you are to share your experience and expertise with newbies and to offer such specific comments. Thankyou.  :) Laila, I've given up trying to make a recording. Sorry to let the team down. I must have tried at least 200 times and that's no exaggeration. I can play and sing something OK, but the second I press 'record' on my phone it all goes to rack and ruin. The harder I try the worse it gets. I couldn't even play Happy Birth Day to a friends dear little 1 year old on his birthday last week.  ???
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: Laila on November 28, 2016, 06:33:31 am
@ batwoman

Batwoman, I know the feeling. It was surprisingly hard to record something compared to just playing it. To be honest I even prefer to be alone in the house when I practice, even if I have a room to myself. I can only hope that it improves with time, or my whole "play to sing with other people" -project is a bit pointless. I think it would help if I played a little together with another beginner.

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Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: Sweed77 on November 28, 2016, 02:38:19 pm
@ batwoman
 

This is not unusual and most of have been through it.  Some things I read here that helped me...

Record everything including practice.  After awhile the affect of having the red light on goes away or at least lessens.

Keep the recorder running, don't turn it off and on between takes. Play through the song and even if you know it isn't good enough wait a few seconds and give it another go. I've had many finished songs come on the third or fourth take of a "running session" and simply edited it down to the one good take. I don't record on a phone so don't know if time\space is an issue but on a recorder like an H1 or on a computer , where space and time aren't an issue this works well for me.

Another thing I did when first starting was to play and record a song from beginning to end no matter how many mistakes I made, no matter how bad they sounded.  Getting 30 seconds in make a mistake then restart,  2 minutes in make a mistake then restart only adds to the frustration.  Playing all the way through takes you through all of the progressions instead of "crashing" and replaying the same bars over and over. 

The main thing is don't give up :)  There are too many people here that are willing and able to help you become better, you don't want to miss out  ;)
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: close2u on November 28, 2016, 03:15:57 pm
Completely brilliant advice from Sweed ( who gets good vibes from me :) )


Edit - as do all contributors / commenters/ encouragers etc

:)
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: doggedwon on November 28, 2016, 11:17:56 pm

Laila it's great to hear your first recording.  And you're even singing along.  NICE!
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: doggedwon on November 28, 2016, 11:23:50 pm
@ lihp8270

Your chord changes are so smooth and strumming pattern is so consistent.  Very impressive.
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: batwoman on November 29, 2016, 02:15:28 am
Sweed, you too are a treasure  8) thankyou for good advise and for sharing your experience. I particularly like your last line about missing out on the help of experienced players. I guess that I'm fearing that the good players will cringe and think I'm hopeless. I make myself cringe sometimes when I play  ;D and I have times of feeling I'll never play well so I'm projecting my own rubbish onto others. I'd lost sight of the fact that others might be able to help me.

I really appreciate your comments, good vibe to you  :) Despite having said all this I still don't think I'll be posting any recordings, I'll just keep them to myself and only make one person cringe!
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: Omar on November 29, 2016, 08:16:04 am
I'm glad to see this thread active. Good vibes to all who have recently contributed.

@close2u thank you for the taking the time to watch my performance. I appreciate your constructive comments. I'll work on my flaws..good vibes to you too!

@batwoman we brighten up this thread with your sweet words. I look forward to listening to "chocolate Jesus" performed by you ;)
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: The_Hodge75 on November 30, 2016, 04:49:40 pm
Go easy on me please! First time I have ever recorded myself, and I am certainly no singer..... or guitarist come to think of it!! ;D

https://soundcloud.com/user-681995135/three-little-birds
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: Omar on November 30, 2016, 05:04:33 pm
@The Hodge

Posting here is considered a big step forward 👏 Nice vocals and steady strumming, keep up the good work! 👍
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: The_Hodge75 on November 30, 2016, 05:58:09 pm
Thank you Omar, really appreciate the kind words and encouragement!! :D
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: Laila on December 01, 2016, 09:34:33 am
@ The_Hodge75 re: 3 little birds

Well done, Hodge! Go easy on yourself, you strum and sing nicely to my ears.
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: Rossco01 on December 01, 2016, 10:17:04 am
As per my comment on SC really good recording and excellent first steps... we all have to take them at some point and the earlier you do it the better. It nice later on to listen back and see much you've progressed.
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: Sweed77 on December 01, 2016, 01:47:44 pm
@ The Hodge

Really nice first recording.  Steady strumming, good timing, and a nice vocal.  Well done :)
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: The_Hodge75 on December 01, 2016, 04:10:20 pm
Laila, Rossco, swede - Thank you so much for your positive feedback, it's really good to hear ;D

For now I am going to concentrate on the basics, try and improve my chords, chord changes and basic strumming technique/timing..... Will be sticking with stage 2 of the course and trying to improve my current ability.

Happy playing!!
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: batwoman on December 02, 2016, 02:18:53 am
Good job Hodge  :) I find this really appealing, both guitar and voice. It's clean and musical and honest. Go easy on yourself hey!  :)
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: doggedwon on December 02, 2016, 05:16:14 pm
Hodge, this is super good.  Your strumming is soft and musical. (no beating on the strings like I do)  I think your vocals are really good too. 
*chants* encore  encore  encore  ;D
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: The_Hodge75 on December 06, 2016, 06:28:21 pm
Batwoman & Doggedwon

Thanks guys for your generous feedback! It really does help to give me confidence in keeping going with the little and often practice :)

Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: MCosta84 on December 10, 2016, 03:02:21 am
Scared to upload this, been hovering over the delete for awhile. This is Save Tonight (no vocals) using the Justin's stage 4 recommended D  D D U D strumming pattern. This is through my LP Studio on a Marshall MG10CF practice amp using a cheap 25.00 eBay USB condenser mic to a Audio-Technica USB mic adapter and recording with Audacity.

I know my timing isn't great, I was trying without a metronome to see how consistent I could stay. This is my very first upload ever. First time anyone outside my family will hear how terrible I am.

https://soundcloud.com/michael-costa-565195818/save-tonight-d-d-d-u-d-breaking-the-ice
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: batwoman on December 10, 2016, 06:20:08 am
MCosta, good on you! As yet I haven't been able to load the page so will try again tomorrow. Just wanted to acknowledge your bravery  8). I'm sure it's not as bad as you think and you'll get lots of support here.
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: Christopher on December 10, 2016, 07:38:11 am
Hey MCosta that was really good, big pat on the back for having the guts to post it. I thought your timing was very good and you nailed every change.
Well done
    Chris
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: Omar on December 10, 2016, 07:53:24 am
@Mcosta why scared? Posting here is as essential as practicing. You'll get a boost by others encouraging comments 😊 Well done buddy; the changes are smooth and chords are clean. I like this song and I've spent almost two months to play it the way Justin does in the video. I'd recommend that you add some advanced parts as in the video, it's fun!

Great job 👏👌
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: Rossco01 on December 10, 2016, 08:17:30 am
+1 for your first post mcosta. Nice smooth strumming, good timing and the strumming pattern was spot on. Well done and look I forward to your next one.
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: MCosta84 on December 10, 2016, 08:52:06 pm
Thanks everyone! Big weight of stress off my chest now that I got that out of the way. I plan to add more strumming complexity to it soon. Not sure if I will post that here or hold off for another stage as we only get 3 in this thread.

 ;D
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: batwoman on December 11, 2016, 04:01:03 am
MCosta, Good Job! Steady strumming, clean chords. You're off to a good start.  8)
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: Sweed77 on December 11, 2016, 06:01:26 am
@ MCosta

Good timing, good changes, and clear clean chords.  Nice first recording :)  Good vibes to you.
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: close2u on December 11, 2016, 08:50:20 am
@ Hodge 75

Nicely done.
You've made a really promising start.
Playing and singing are all pretty much in step and make for a good listen.
You could easily sing that around a campfire and folk would enjoy it.

Constructive critique:
You do what many learners do, the attack on your strumming is still somewhat uneven ... sometimes soft, sometimes hard, with varying volume. This is common and you will develop away from it.
Equally, you sometimes strum all strings of the chord, sometimes just a few.
This is common and you will develop away from it.

By the way - as your skills develop and you want to play songs with dynamics and feel, you will play sometimes soft, sometimes hard, sometimes full chords, sometimes partial chords. But these choices will be deliberate and controlled for effect.


Your timing and tempo is mostly good.
Occasionally you miss a strum but keep the rhythm going. Thumbs up.
I detected a missed beat just after the 1 minute mark but no big deal at the moment.


I look forward to more.

 8)
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: The_Hodge75 on December 11, 2016, 09:01:00 am
@ close2u
Great feedback and totally makes sense! Will continue to work on the points mentioned..... I mostly include this in my practice schedule as I will hopefully be able to see improvements in the areas you mentioned.
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: close2u on December 11, 2016, 09:13:49 am
@ McCosta84

Wow.
You didn't play with a lack of confidence.
Your strumming was surefooted and good.
Nicely done.
Clearly, as a version of Save Tonight, you still need to work on increasing the tempo, developing that choppy muted rhythm playing etc.
But learning guitar is not a race.
You have made good progress so far.

Oh yeah.
A further thought.
As you learn songs, you will begin to recognise how hundreds of songs are related, connected, similar.

Although the chord progression is not quite an exact match (it is close but not a total match and in a different key), the rhythm and tempo you play at makes for a very similar vibe:
Try playing your recording and singing the verse lyric to Coldplay's The Scientist:

Come up to meet you, tell you I'm sorry
You don't know how lovely you are

I had to find you
Tell you I need you
Tell you I set you apart

Tell me your secrets
And ask me your questions
Oh, let's go back to the start

Running in circles
Coming up tails
Heads on a science apart



 :)
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: Laila on December 11, 2016, 10:49:56 am
@ MCosta84
Hey, that was nice, MCosta! Smooth and pleasant to listen to, really.
We should collaborate. You can do my strumming and I can do your vocals B-)

Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: doggedwon on December 13, 2016, 10:17:38 pm
@MCosta
I love the easy warm tone of your playing.  It was so relaxing to listen to! 
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: MCosta84 on December 14, 2016, 02:52:07 am
@ Laila

Thanks! Not sure if I am at collab level yet thought, lol.
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: MCosta84 on December 14, 2016, 02:52:39 am
@ doggedwon
Thank you, but I think the credit belongs to my Les Paul for the tone.
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: lihp8270 on December 14, 2016, 11:11:20 am
@ MCosta84
Don't be so modest.  Have you tried listening to an instrument in a shop?  They don't seem to make any tone at all without somebody to make it happen ;)
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: Laila on December 18, 2016, 06:17:26 pm
This is my humble contribution to the Christmas song postings. I may be an atheist, but I like chocolate and I think Jesus was a pretty cool guy, so it seemed appropriate.

https://soundcloud.com/laila_ph/chocolate_jesus_dec16

I tried doing the DDUDDU strumming too, which sounded a lot better but fell apart after a few bars.
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: Sweed77 on December 18, 2016, 06:35:35 pm
Really nice Laila  :)  Clear chords, solid timing, with only one slight delay on a change(?), and a great vocal. 

You're definitely on the right track with your playing.  Keep it up, you are going to be a very good player  :)
to go along with your very nice voice  8)
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: Laila on December 18, 2016, 06:54:36 pm
@sweed77 thank you sweed! Much appreciated
Yeah, I missed at least one change, but after at least ten attempts that fell apart some way or another I would be darned if that was worth stopping for



Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: Rossco01 on December 18, 2016, 07:05:30 pm
Your doing really great Laila. This is very nice progress and you should be pleased. Your playing is really coming together.
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: Loefgren on December 18, 2016, 07:40:03 pm
Very nice Laila! What a voice! Strumming will come with more practice. Good vibes!
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: Laila on December 18, 2016, 08:13:51 pm
@rossco01 @loefgren thanks so much, you're very kind :-)

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Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: Omar on December 18, 2016, 10:06:09 pm
@Laila Confident and impressive as usual. Good vibes!
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: batwoman on December 19, 2016, 02:58:53 am
What a great job Laila, love it! You're making such wonderful progress. You're in the groove and as others have said, your voice is pleasing and is getting better. I love the whimsical humour in this song. Have you heard Beth Hart sing it? This is my goal. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DkE7Qc6P2Zs
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: Laila on December 19, 2016, 07:49:59 am
Thank you @omar and @batwoman :-) hope to get back to this one with more interesting strumming soon. I've heard the Beth Hart one, batwoman, it's terrific! She has an intriguing style.

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Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: Fox Cunning on December 19, 2016, 10:01:55 pm
Very good indeed, Laila! Really enjoyed it.
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: Laila on December 20, 2016, 10:02:22 am
Thanks, @fox cunning  :)
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: doggedwon on December 20, 2016, 04:41:16 pm
Laila you have a beautiful voice.  Great job playing and singing at the same time.  That is still beyond me.
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: Laila on December 22, 2016, 08:40:12 pm
@doggedwon Thank you!!  :)
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: DarkHorse on December 22, 2016, 09:30:25 pm
@ Laila

Great timing and smooth strumming. Once you've mastered 4/4, stick a few upstrums in there, bring out the chorus a little more and you'll have a very hip sounding tune.
BTW, your voice is great. Well timed and in key, with a few high notes thrown in too. Keep it up.
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: zoglug on January 03, 2017, 06:41:09 pm
Hello every one!

Been trying to learn the guitar for the past few years and never really progressed primarily due to laziness. Recently I pulled out my old faithful, Justin's beginner course, picked up the Beginner Songbook 2 and have begun again.

I started about 4 weeks ago again, just before the festive period and I finally recorded myself playing and thought I would take the brave step of posting up for others to hear. It was recorded on my phone, sound seems to be ok but I think there must have been a thumb print over the lens.

First up is Stand By Me, played on my Shine electric through a Fender Mustang 1:-





Next is Wonderwall played on my Crafter acoustic. Apologies for staring straight ahead, I had the chords above the camera.





Hopefully you enjoy these, I plan to record myself more going forwards, it allows me to see what is going well, where chords are not formed properly!

Cheers

Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: Sweed77 on January 03, 2017, 08:27:50 pm
@ zoglug

How far along had you progressed before you quit last time?  What stage are you currently on?

I ask because that is pretty smooth strumming and chord changes.  I thought the tempo was a little fast but the timing seemed good.  Not unusual to speed up when recording a live session.

I thought both were pretty good.  Easily recognizable with good timing and clear chords.  Sounds like you were fairly far along in the BC when you quit and are catching back up quickly?
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: zoglug on January 03, 2017, 09:54:04 pm
Thank you for the kind words @ sweed77.

I got as far as stage 3 last time, struggled with the C chord a little and getting the stretch. I spent a lot of time practicing strumming and still do now, just sat in front of the TV and strum away muting the strings.

The last four weeks have been excellent, I have seen a lot of progress and would say I am actually playing better than I have previously.
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: Laila on January 04, 2017, 01:00:00 pm
@ zoglug

Wow... I wish I sounded that good at stage 3. I wish I could strum that well now, actually. Confident, clear and with a nice rhythm. Very nice! Your strumming practice is obviously paying off.

Pretty good sound to be recorded by a phone, I think, even though the um... visuals were a bit vague ;)


(PS. oh, and thanks a lot @darkhorse :-) )
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: farshield on January 08, 2017, 12:21:07 pm
Mad World Attempt

Beginner guitar player (bought my first guitar 3 months ago) currently at stage 5-6. This is my first recording of a song which I rushed a bit, should've played slower, I think. Sorry for the long intro :)





Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: chix2 on January 08, 2017, 01:31:09 pm
hey farsheild

for a beginer and only having a guitar for 3 months, very impressive star there both in playing and singing, you played clear. clean and with alot of confidence. you should be very proud of your process so far. well done i really enjoyed your preformace

chix
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: Sweed77 on January 08, 2017, 02:55:26 pm
@ fairshield

Agree with chix, really good for 3 months into the course.  I don't know it the tempo was faster than the original or not but I thought the timing throughout was good.  Strumming and chord changes nice and smooth along with good use of anchor fingers, vocal was good too.  Well done :)

Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: farshield on January 08, 2017, 03:09:02 pm
@chix2 and @Sweed72: thank you for the feedback! That is one of my favorite songs so I practiced it a lot and I had plenty of free time recently which helped :P
I can only sing while strumming, if I try to pick, the vocals and rhythm get all tangled up :)
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: batwoman on January 08, 2017, 11:04:45 pm
Good job farshield. I'm impressed that you've only been playing 3 months. I like you voice a lot. Your chords changes are smooth and your rhythm steady. I like the tempo. At this rate you'll be doing the IM course in no time.
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: Laila on January 09, 2017, 12:28:45 pm
You have a lovely voice, @farshield. And great progression. I'm really impressed!
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: JeffM on January 09, 2017, 01:06:40 pm
I found that very inspirational. I also really enjoyed your interpretation of the song.


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Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: doggedwon on January 10, 2017, 12:48:37 am
farshield that was impressive!  Your playing is smooth, on time AND you're singing.  I have to admit to a bit of jealousy here.  I've practiced that song on and off for so long that I almost got sick of it, yet never got it to where I felt comfortable with it.  Two thumbs up buddy.  That was great.
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: farshield on January 10, 2017, 10:16:05 am
I first heard that song when I was a child and it got stuck in my mind :)
Was a nice surprise to discover it among Justin's beginner songs, which made me more ambitious to learn it.
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: Loefgren on January 11, 2017, 01:37:30 pm
Very impressive Fairshield! I have played for 10 months and I'm not sure I'm able to do that. Maybe because I am a lot older than you... You learn fast for sure. Quite clean chords and good singing to. Well done!
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: lunarscope on January 12, 2017, 01:42:25 pm
Very good job on "Mad World". You have a great voice and the playing was spot on. I've been learning for two years and haven't even tried to sing whilst playing so kudos for that. Keep 'em coming.
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: MCosta84 on January 13, 2017, 04:08:41 am
As promised here is some work on incorporating more advanced strumming into Save Tonight:

https://soundcloud.com/michael-costa-565195818/save-tonight-advanced-strumming-first-upload
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: batwoman on January 13, 2017, 04:33:35 am
Hey MCosta you're making great progress. You keep the rhythm going pretty well and the chord changes are consistent. One thing, I think it's a recording thing rather than a guitar thing - there is a sort of booming/buzzing/base sound. The tech guru recording guys will have something more useful to say than this. I found the noise a bit distracting. Next step, when are you gonna sing?
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: MCosta84 on January 13, 2017, 04:42:44 am
The buzzing is because it is just a cheap China condenser microphone that I want to upgrade to a Shure one day.

As for singing and playing. I just can't do it yet. I hope one day I can.
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: Laila on January 13, 2017, 09:11:51 am
@MCosta84 That's some nice strumming there! Well done!
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: Omar on January 13, 2017, 12:06:30 pm
Nice job Mcosta! This song is tricky, well done.

I'd suggest that you work on timing of up strums (https://youtu.be/nEXrt8nh4r0?t=6m) repeat the same part over and over again until you master it.
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: Rossco01 on January 13, 2017, 12:12:05 pm
Mcosta good job and shows progress. In terms of the recording quality it is quite possibly to do with the Mic but it may also be a signal strength issue. At times it is almost clipping. I'm not sure what Interface/Daw you are using but it should have a meter or something that shows this (it'll go from Green - all okay - to amber then red). If you lower this it'll probably help.
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: Laila on January 13, 2017, 05:28:19 pm
My New Year's goal was to keep on recording, practice one song at a time and play them all the way through. So I've been practicing this song for a week, and I can't actually see much improvement past being able to strum it a hair faster. But if I have to play it again I think my husband will come upstairs and strangle me, so for now I'm done:


https://soundcloud.com/laila_ph/working-class-hero-13012017

Working Class Hero: https://soundcloud.com/laila_ph/working-class-hero-13012016
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: chix2 on January 13, 2017, 06:14:40 pm
hi laila

i really liked this, you did a good version steady strumming, liked your vocal nice. i dont think theres anything wrong with learning a couple of songs at the same time from the same stage that you like, too vary up your practce. and its a good idea now and again to come back to songs youve learnt an play them again at later date

chix
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: Laila on January 13, 2017, 06:54:22 pm
Thanks, @chix2 :-) I didn't mean to sound whiny. I know that there's only so much you can do with 30 minutes a day, of which maybe 10 are spent on a song. It's just much more fun to grasp the basics of a new song and hear the melody come out than to spend time working out all the glitches. So I have to be a bit strict with myself to actually get anywhere. But yeah, two songs at a time is probably a good idea.

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Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: DarrellW on January 13, 2017, 07:22:10 pm
Hi Laila, you're definitely improving - keep it up, and tell that hubby of yours to give you a chance!!! I know what you mean though, my wife is the same :)
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: batwoman on January 13, 2017, 08:02:34 pm
Hey Laila, so a promising career doesn't get cut short by your husband strangling you  :o  in one of Justin's lessons he talked about using a Feedback Buster to help make the guitar quieter. From what I can remember it's a rubber disc thing that fits in the sound hole. Did a quick Google http://www.swamp.net.au/feedback-buster
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: batwoman on January 13, 2017, 08:10:32 pm
@ Laila

Laila I think you're being too hard on yourself. I can hear all sorts of progress and improvement. You have more control over your pitch and breathing so your voice is smoother and really easy on the ear. There's a richer, fuller tone too .... nice. There's the beginnings of a sound this is uniquely yours - to me this is part of the thing we call dynamics, not always easy to define, but it's part of the package. Your strumming is a bit like your voice, steady and even. Your chord changes are seamless and clean and the whole things flows. You've learned to use a new piece of gear too. Good on you too for working through your goals. I think you have every reason to be proud of yourself and your progess and I have no doubt you'll make John Lennon smile  :) Good vibe to you.
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: chix2 on January 13, 2017, 09:12:31 pm

Laila

batwoman is right,being alittle hard on yourself but thats it of all players, it why its great you do all record your proress and you do post here. becasue others can see your all improving. and when you, yourselfs look back at your jounrey you too if youve recorded will look/listen back and think yes i ihave come further than i thought. you should be proud of yourself. use your time what alotted time you have, ok so you have 30 minutes but your making that 30 minutes count and your doing it regualy basis too that is good.

keep it up your doing good

chix
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: Sweed77 on January 14, 2017, 07:10:07 pm
@ Laila,

Nice version of Working Class Hero.  Love the song and recorded it around the end of the BC.  You have me wanting to go back and try again  :)

Vocal of course is really good, lovely voice :)  Playing as others have stated is really smooth and clear, something that you should be proud of as it's a big step.  When you start doing upstrums in the beginner's course and add them to this song it will be easier because your changes are already smooth.  Learning guitar is a slow life long project, enjoy the little victories along the way  :D   
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: Laila on January 15, 2017, 08:43:06 am
@DarrellW @batwoman @chix2 @Sweed77 thank you all, for constructive comments and encouragement! It really does help :-) I'm taking note that growing sick of a song is not a good place to be, and that a little variation is needed. And sometimes I really need to step back and remember that all I ever wanted to do was to accompany myself on easy singalong songs - and I'm already doing it, which is actually pretty amazing compared to where I started.
Ps. @batwoman that sound dampener would be excellent, if it fits my mouth. ;-)

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Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: doggedwon on January 17, 2017, 11:48:44 pm
Laila, I thought that sounded great.  It's quite a pace on the strumming and you've got it smooth and consistent.  Of course, your singing is gorgeous.  On pitch and with a beautiful higher register.
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: Laila on January 18, 2017, 08:49:31 am
@doggedwon Well that sure put a big smile on my face this foggy morning  :) Thank you.
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: Rossco01 on January 19, 2017, 12:11:59 pm
A little late listening to this one Laila but it sounds like you're making good progress. Nice playing and very nice vocal.
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: farshield on January 23, 2017, 12:10:25 pm
House of the Rising Sun attempt
Took me about 40-50 retries. I restarted the recording so many times I almost gave up trying to sync the voice with the rhythm :P



Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: Laila on January 23, 2017, 12:25:33 pm
@ farshield

Infuriating what that red light does isn't it? I've found out that recording is actually the best way to practice a song properly because I end up playing it so many times...

But the end result is really nice, and I am extremely impressed that you've only been playing a few months. You have a gorgeous voice. Probably said that last time, but it still is. Once you can free your singing a little from the beat it'll be even better. But that's something I'm really struggling with myself.

Keep 'em coming!
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: chix2 on January 23, 2017, 12:46:54 pm
Hey there

prety good ,its really nice too hear how different people take/interperaite the same song. its a song i really like as well. and you do have a good voice too.

look forward too whats next :)

chix
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: DarrellW on January 23, 2017, 01:03:48 pm
Well done, considering how long you've been playing never mind singing as well you should be well pleased with yourself!!!
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: Rossco01 on January 23, 2017, 03:51:50 pm
Good job Farshield no easy feet to play and sing.
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: mikeb2102 on January 23, 2017, 04:17:30 pm
@ Laila re: Working Class Hero

I enjoyed this. Great version. I'm just starting on the beginners course so I'm looking forward to learning this one.


Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: doggedwon on January 27, 2017, 07:21:11 pm
@farshield

Great job on The House of the Rising Sun.  It sounds really good.
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: m_c on January 28, 2017, 08:21:56 pm
That was excellent Farshield.
There was a bit hesitation on chord changes during the intro, but once the song got going you settled into a nice steady flow.
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: Unsui on February 05, 2017, 08:47:51 pm
Hi there. This is Frank from Germany writing (nickname unsui).
This my first ever entry in any webforum. Ever. And it is my first try to record me playing & singing, too.
I found my love for guitar playing only recently: After receiving a bright orange colored ukulele as a surprise gift (best present ever), I discovered that I liked to strum and sing. Since then I did get "my first real 6-string" and now I am trying to get better at playing it. At christmas I discovered justin's beginners book and later on this form. And now I hope to find some like minded fellows and feedback here.
The following is my first ever recording (inspired by lesson 203) - please feel free to write your opinion (yeah, I know that it is pretty terrible with changing tempi and stuff, but I promise, that I am struggling to get better). :-) 
https://soundcloud.com/user-518319321/rather-go-blind-coverwav
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: batwoman on February 06, 2017, 02:43:17 am
Welcome Frank  :)

There are so many reasons to congratulate you - loving guitars and launching yourself into learning to play, your first web forum post, your first recording. You're in good company here. There are many generous, experienced, clever, lovely people in this community who will offer help and encouragement willingly.

Your first recording is impressive  8)  I'd like to hear you sing in a higher key, I don't think the one you're playing in gets the most out of your voice.

Looking forward to hearing your next recording  :D
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: Loefgren on February 06, 2017, 07:46:10 am
Hello Frank! Very nice, clean playing and smooth strumming. I know it isn't easy. Timing wasn't bad either and I like your voice. Good work! How long have you been playing?

Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: Laila on February 06, 2017, 12:35:01 pm
@ Unsui
Well I hope that surprise gift was last January or something, because if you've learned to strum like that since December I'm sick with jealousy... ;D J/K, but your strumming is really nice, sweet and musical. And I'm very impressed that you can sing along on this one. I just couldn't get the words to align with the melody in any sensible way.

Well done. And welcome to the forum!
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: Unsui on February 06, 2017, 04:25:03 pm
Thanks a lot for your warm welcome to this forum.  :)
Please excuse me, if I break any etiquettes – hope this is the right way to answer to your kind remarks.

@batwoman
Thank you so much. Your (also first ever) reply to this post of mine made me very happy. I just can’t wait to learn more about all the interesting people and their posts in this community. I consider me very lucky, that I found Justin’s books a few weeks ago and also later on this cool forum.
Oh, uuuuh, I don’t think that me singing in a higher key would be very healthy for your ears. I never learned to sing and this is just me trying to do my best. Nevertheless I appreciate your hint and will try to follow it (#SoundOfCapoSlidingFewFretsHigher). I will post another song in a higher key in a few days – promise.  ;)

@Loefgren & @Laila
Thankyouthankyouthankyou. 8) I did get my ukulele 4 years ago, but I used to strike a single chord, then sing a minute, strike the same chord again, then sing a minute … Only when I received my guitar recently and started to listen to songs more closely, I realized that a string instrument is supposed to be played in another way. Thanks to my pal Danny and most recently Justins lessons I am now trying to strum more properly. I started out with a guitar some months ago somewhat halfheartedly (due to the pressure of workload in my job), but started to train with my guitar daily since 7 weeks. And I am not willing to stop anytime soon. ;-)

@Laila
I saw in your footer, that you use a “Taylor GS Mini”, too. Wonderful instrument, isn’t it? Small in size, but mighty in sound. I never want to put it aside, when I start playing it. Only have to do so, when my fingers hurt too much.  :D
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: DarrellW on February 06, 2017, 06:04:49 pm
Very well done Frank, I could probably play it but me and singing doesn't quite work yet ;)
Keep it up, you're doing great :)
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: michaal246 on February 07, 2017, 06:17:52 pm
Unsui: Sounds great! I'm impressed that you are able to make some hammer ons and pull offs at this stage while singing at the same time. Also your voice have very nice blues feel to it, I'd love to hear you someday in that repertoire if you will develop interest in that music. Fantastic beggining, keep strumming. Good vibe to you :)
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: Unsui on February 07, 2017, 10:57:40 pm
@DarrellW & @michaal246
Thank you so much. Your encouragement means a lot to me!!!
Also many thanks for my first “good vibe”. #BeamingWithJoy   ;D
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: markmckever on February 08, 2017, 09:27:02 am
@ MCosta84

re: Save Tonight version 1

That was great. Consistently clean chord changes and timing. Well done for having the nrevtti post
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: Unsui on February 08, 2017, 12:55:56 pm
Due to the kind replies on my first ever recorded song a few days ago, I thought I use my current adrenaline rush to record a second one. This time I tried 'The Gambler'. I still cannot get the country-JohnnyCash-like "Bumm-Tschicka" thing with the baseline right, therefore I used a more normal strumming version for now. If I should get that right in the next weeks, I will probably post an update. Hope to get some advice by you nice folks out there. And now back to training the "Bumm-Tschikka"-base thingie.  :D 
https://soundcloud.com/user-518319321/the-gambler-coverwav
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: Laila on February 08, 2017, 02:49:46 pm
@ Unsui  'The Gambler'.

Nice to see someone else trying this one! Interesting take on the strumming. Kudos for confidence and making the song your own. I can't do the boom-chicka more than a few bars at a time, either.
Nice voice, I think you have quite a bit of potential there as a singer.
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: jono on February 08, 2017, 03:35:50 pm
Unsui that sounds good, how long have you been playing
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: Rossco01 on February 08, 2017, 06:53:47 pm
Nice job Unsui sounded very relaxed and confident playing that.
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: m_c on February 08, 2017, 10:53:38 pm
Unsui, just listened to both your tracks, and they're both very good.
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: Unsui on February 09, 2017, 12:17:40 am
@Laila, @jono, @Rossco01 & @m_c
My heartfelt ‘thank you’ for your positive feedback. To be honest: With hindsight (when hearing my recording again tonight), I should probably not have posted ‘the Gambler’. It does not sound like it should and my voice on the recording sounds way different, than it sounds in my head while singing … or should that be in my ‘phantasy’? I almost deleted the track, but my wife asked me to keep it online. As my beloved and loving wife, she likes everything I try to sing … and as a good husband, I follow my wife’s advice - of course. :D Therefore the track stayed after some consideration. But I am way happy, that you didn’t think it is too awful. I guess I will take a break with posting songs and rather concentrate on getting better.  :o
Thanks again – I love you guys and gals for your kindness.
Frank
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: m_c on February 09, 2017, 11:15:26 am
Frank, don't get hung up on making everything sound just like the original.
What you recorded was well played, and well sung.
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: close2u on February 10, 2017, 08:24:22 pm
I must catch up with this thread again soon.
Great to have new folk joining in.
 ???
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: farshield on February 14, 2017, 06:16:20 pm
So after quite a few retries I decided to keep the capo on fret 3. Sorry, the image should've been a few centimeters lower, the capo position and fretting hand are barely seen. I was lucky the phone rang just as the song finished and not before :)
Not sure about my strumming though (4 downstrums per bar starting second verse). Maybe I'll try D DU DU DU next time. Also, just realized how tense my strumming hand is. Should be more relaxed.



Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: close2u on February 21, 2017, 10:06:28 am
@ Laila

re: Chocolate Jesus
Nicely done, this suits you and you get through pretty well.
Yes, there are some slight hiccoughs on chord changes.
For practice time, you can work at that, get things in time, slowly, clearly.
For performance time, you gotta just keep going - which you did well.
 :)


re: Working Class Hero
Another good performance.
A couple of points that spring to mind.
Capo is your friend - I think you need to sing this at a higher pitch ... maybe capo up a few frets.
To get the 6/8 (double-waltz) tempo really bouncing along try developing the skill of hitting an accented bass note on beats 1 and 4.
1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6




ps I updated the links as the old ones were dead.




@ zoglug

re: Stand By Me
That was nicely done.
You played clean, clear and controlled.
You got in the groove and bounced it.


re: Wonderwall
Another good slice of your rhythm playing.
Strumming pattern pretty good and an even tempo.
Check the chords - I think I heard one or two in the wrong order.

Well done overall - keep up the good work.
 :)




@ farshield

re: Mad World
Wow.
Are you sure that is after just 3 months?
Very impressive progress.
My critique is about the intro ... and it is a common feature for beginners ... you know the tempo and you want to play the picked notes / arpeggiated chords at the correct speed ... but ... you can't make the changes fast enough ... so you play a few notes outlining the riff / melody nicely and at tempo .... then .... dead time and a delay while you shift your hand and fingers .... then you play a few more notes outlining the riff / melody nicely and at tempo .... then .... dead time and a delay while you shift your hand and fingers .... then .... dead time again etc etc.
I'm sure you know this only too well.
Slow everything down ... the notes, the melody, the riff so that the whole intro piece has an even (but slow) tempo and there are no pauses / gaps dead time. Repeat, repeat, repeat - then bring it up in speed a little at a time.

Great intro to your playing.
Good vibes.
 :)


re: House of the Rising Sun.
Another good performance.
Really good progress.
My comments about the picked intro riff and the strummed chords (the tempo) applies here too.

re: The Gambler
You've got a really good and strong pumping rhythm going on this one that drives the song with momentum.
Cool.
Be careful of that low E string.
You're strumming hand is hitting it quite a lot and it sounds wrong - especially on the D chord.
You can just about get away with it on the A chord but even then, you're better aiming for the bass note on the A string only, so that when you move to the E chord you have that low bass note as a real point of punctuation.
Otherwise - good good good.
 8)





@ McCosta
re: Save Tonight version 2
Progress in your strumming and ambition - good stuff.
I highly recommend you follow the link Omar provided to Justin's lesson.
At 6 minutes (for a duration of about 20-30 seconds) Justin plays it slowly.
You need to play it that slowly or even slower to get those changes clean, clear and tight.
What I hear in your 2nd version is a rush and a mangle where your left hand and right hand are not working together in synchronicity.
This is a practice thing and will come with dedicated work to the skills.
Keep on keepin on and you will get there.
 :)




@ Unsui

re: I'd Rather Go Blind
Very smooth and clean on the guitar.
A good example of playing lightly for a better sound - sometimes less is more.
Beginners can hit the strings - and all of them all the time - way too hard.
You have a gentle touch and that gives the song a light touch that suits your vocals.
A great performance overall.
Just here and there you come away from a smooth flowing tempo so that is an area to work on.
It doesn't notice so much on this song however as it is a little free-form and loose in nature.
Good job.
 :)


re: The Gambler
It's perfectly fine to play this in a different strumming style so well done for putting your version up.
You are trying to play it with a staccato rhythm so my advice for improving is to listen carefully to each chord as you change ... on some your muting technique is good, on others it is allowing some strings to ring out beyond the others .... so take some of your practice time to work on palm muting with the right hand and over time incorporate  left-hand muting too.
Good one.















All new uploads now included in the OP on page 1.
 :)
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: farshield on February 21, 2017, 01:42:15 pm
@close2u Wow, that's a very detailed constructive feedback. It helps me a lot. Thank you!
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: Laila on February 21, 2017, 02:02:03 pm
@close2u, you give awesome feedback. Thanks for taking the time :-)
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: Unsui on February 25, 2017, 06:33:23 pm
@close2u Thanks a lot for your kind words and helpful advice!!!  8)
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: DarrellW on February 25, 2017, 08:12:05 pm
@Unsui, I just thought I would share with you my favourite version of I'd rather go blind, it was recorded by a band called Chicken shack in the 1960's. The singer was Christine Perfect who became Christine McVie in Fleetwood Mac. Hope you like it, it's on my to do list when I have got further down my current list!
http://youtu.be/w_oRo5wfZiw
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: Unsui on February 26, 2017, 03:10:32 pm
@DarrellW
Thank you so much for sharing this wonderful version of "I'd rather go blind" with me Darrell.
Sorry, if this is a bit off topic for this thread, but I just would like to return the favor and share another wonderful version with you, which I found just a few days ago. It is done by singer/ bassist Danielle Nicole:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yPbtKN5dvMo
I am now working on "Bad moon rising" and hope to post it here in the next days. The speed is a real challenge, but I love the groove of this song.
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: willsie01 on February 26, 2017, 10:35:18 pm
Positioned the iPhone closer and managed to get a recording of sorts of another of my attempts at the Jonny Cash song Hurt (which I notice is currently featured in the trailer for the about to be released Wolverine film).
Thanks for the advice about recording on an iPhone from someone on this forum. Can't thank you directly because for some reason I can't find your post at the moment.

Anyway, this is the first time I've ever uploaded a "performance".
Recording a "performance" I found incredibly more difficult then practicing.

https://youtu.be/7RnIyITUhI0

Hope the link works...or maybe I hope it doesn't!
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: mikeb2102 on February 26, 2017, 11:01:40 pm
I enjoyed that willsie01, thanks for sharing

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Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: Rossco01 on February 26, 2017, 11:21:21 pm
Enjoyed that Willsie. Really like this song but have never got around to learning it. One bit of advice would be to be braver with the vocal. It sounds like you're holding it back..sing loud sing proud!
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: Laila on February 27, 2017, 06:47:48 am
One of my favourite songs ever, willsie01, and one I'm hoping to learn. Nicely done! But do sing out, you have a nice voice :-)

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Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: willsie01 on February 28, 2017, 08:23:50 am
mikeb20102, Rossco01 & Laila,
Thank you all for your nice comments.
Hadn't anticipated the voice being mentioned!
It wasn't a case of holding back I'm afraid I do have limited vocal projection, which applies to my speaking voice as well.
I've started to think maybe I should drop the singing for this thread.
I did it to give context to the song I was playing, which is the thing I'm hoping to improve on.
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: willsie01 on February 28, 2017, 01:22:41 pm
@ farshield

Re: The Gambler

Very nice
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: DarrellW on February 28, 2017, 01:41:43 pm
@willsie, your performance of Hurt was really great, don't knock your voice it's just choosing the right songs! Where would Mark Knopfler have been if his lack of range and projection had have stopped him???
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: Sweed77 on February 28, 2017, 03:35:35 pm
@ willsie

I thought your Hurt performance was fine too.  Do not drop the vocals from your songs ;)
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: Unsui on February 28, 2017, 07:29:24 pm
@willsie
Please do not stop singing. I like your guitar playing a lot, but your voice, too. Very cool performance.
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: willsie01 on February 28, 2017, 08:51:32 pm
Great support from you guys.
Many thanks :)
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: Unsui on March 01, 2017, 12:38:42 pm
Good day to you, my fellow students.
Here is my song #3 for this thread. Love to get your advice on how to get better.
https://soundcloud.com/user-518319321/bad-moon-rising-coverwav

@DarrellW
As promised a few days ago this is my try on “Bad Moon Rising”. The speed is not as consistent, as I would like it to be – but it is my best shot so far at the rather high speed of Rockabilly songs. Hope you like it.

@batwoman
Early February you wrote “I'd like to hear you sing in a higher key”. I tried a few different keys here, using a capo in order to find the right tonal height for my voice. Is this better? 
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: DarrellW on March 01, 2017, 12:49:04 pm
Sounded good to me Unsui, solid strumming and I think that the key you are in is better suited to your voice!
Good vibes from me :)
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: willsie01 on March 01, 2017, 02:10:18 pm
@ Unsui
re: Bad Moon Rising

Early days for me in this thread but impressed with songs
This was nice to listen to and the rhythm felt "right" to me
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: farshield on March 07, 2017, 11:41:26 pm
@ willsie: wow, that was nice. "Hurt" is something I want to learn.
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: batwoman on March 08, 2017, 03:18:44 am
Oh my goodness Unsui I'm a bit embarassed you've taken up my suggestion, I'm just a beginner. I see that Darrell has agreed with me, so that's good. I like this key, your voice sounds fuller, more easily produced and I can hear more light and dark. Really it's up to you. How does it feel to you to sing in this key? Is it comfortable, do you like the sounds you are producing? Does this vocal range give you the scope you want for expression and dyamics? How does your throat feel after singing?
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: Unsui on March 14, 2017, 09:15:54 am
@batwoman
Your advice (and the advice of all other members of this forum) is important to me. Your feedback helps me a lot in getting ideas how to become a better guitar player (and singer).
You wrote very interesting questions in your last posting (quoted above).  I never thought about this and just tried to do my best in singing. Yes, I think it feels comfortable and I never experienced problems with my throat after singing. Hmmm, maybe I should take some lessons in singing one day in order to learn how to actually get the most out of it. More or less I just do a kind of enthusiastic shower-singing by now without actually knowing, what I am doing here. Has someone of you ever taken lessons in singing and how are your experiences with it, dear fellow learners?
Thanks a lot again.  :)
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: doggedwon on March 14, 2017, 10:29:41 pm
@Unsui that was a really good rendition of Bad Moon Rising.  I like your voice in the higher key too.
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: Unsui on March 25, 2017, 07:48:33 pm
@doggedwon
Thank you so much. Your opinion is of high value for me.

@willsie01
You really really inspired me with your version of "Hurt", which you posted on February 26. Since then I trained every day for the last month on this song. Your version is still way better. You are far more precise, on time and did so well singing it. But this is the best, that I can do until now. I would love to get your feedback on my take, as you really nailed the song last month.


So without further ado here is my fourth recording for this beginner's thread. Consider it a work in progress and please send me your thoughts.
https://soundcloud.com/user-518319321/hurt-coverwav
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: DavidP on March 25, 2017, 10:23:05 pm
Unsui, well done ... I think that is a wonderful cover. For me it honours Cash's intrepretation of the song near perfectly. Your voice, the timing and feel. Stunning, certainly sounds like the performance of an advanced beginner. If I can make one comment, the tempo of the first strumming section struck me as maybe a little fast. I assume you've watched the Cash video,  but just in case and for others, here's a link: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vt1Pwfnh5pc (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vt1Pwfnh5pc) Thanks for sharing.

Cheers, David
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: willsie01 on March 26, 2017, 09:42:40 am
@ Unsui
re: Hurt

It's very humbling to have someone say you've inspired them  :)
I have to say your training paid off.
Very nice.
My opinion for what it's worth:
Played very well.
Faithful to Johnny Cash but you've clearly stamped your own personality on it.
Well done!
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: sdd56 on March 26, 2017, 08:47:55 pm
I've suffered for my music.

Now it's your turn!

To celebrate 6 months of trying to learn guitar, I've decided to go public.
This is my attempt at What's Up.

https://soundcloud.com/user-372122422/whatsup-26mar

I don't really know how I compare with others at a similar stage. I've been following the course fairly religiously, averaging 30 to 60 minutes a day.
I think I would have hoped to be further ahead by now. I still mess up simple chord changes quite regularly. I am struggling with the mini F, never mind the full barre!

But I am enjoying the challenge.  Just wish I had started 40 years ago!

Comments and advice welcome.
Stan
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: DavidP on March 26, 2017, 09:18:35 pm


Well done on taking the plunge to go public, Stan!

Having done the same recently, my experience has been positive.  It helps me to set a goal to record a particular song and then work towards getting it to a point where you are happy.  And people in this community are supportive, encouraging and often provide invaluable suggestions to help get better.  But watch out, recording can become addictive :-)

With regards to hoping to be further, everybody progresses at their own pace.  My approach is to concentrate on making progress.  I assume that 6 months ago you couldn't play a chord.  And now you can play an entirely recognisable, pretty solid version of a song that I think has quite a tricky feel to it.  Now how awesome is that!!  As many members say, it's not a race ... it's a journey of discovery and learning that is just great fun.

So celebrate and I look forward to sharing in your progress as you keep posting.

Ciao, David
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: willsie01 on April 02, 2017, 11:38:28 pm
My second try at performing a song: A Team.
Learning to sing the melody of this song is taking longer than how to play the guitar chords and strumming for it.
The ending is still not true to Ed Sheeran but the best I can do at the moment.
Trying to do a job with vocals but this was hard

https://youtu.be/0c5f50Gt2KU


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Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: DavidP on April 03, 2017, 10:03:06 pm

Willsie,

Congratulations ... I think your playing is excellent.  The rhythm is pretty consistent, smooth changes.  Just wish I'd been able to see your hands in action on the guitar.  Don't know the original, so can't comment on how true the singing may be.

Keep it up and look forward to seeing the next one.

Cheers, David
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: willsie01 on April 04, 2017, 01:36:55 pm

Thanks for feedback: I agree about the hands. I want to see if I can spot if I can improve anything about the way I hold and play the guitar. I did think about focusing on the guitar but thought a headless image would look weird . Limitations of my iPhone I'm afraid. I'm going to look at how I can record a simple video that allows me to frame the shot better.


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Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: oldhead49 on April 04, 2017, 09:36:39 pm
Willsie, Nice playing.  For only being into it as long as you have, your chord changing is smooth and the guitar sounds good.  Thumbs up on your singing too.  Keep 'em coming.
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: DavidP on April 05, 2017, 06:37:24 am
I did think about focusing on the guitar but thought a headless image would look weird .

LoL ... yeah, headless or handless ... the choices we have to make  :)

I've seen both versions on the site and, as I said, prefer headless.  And as a next step it may be as simple as just pointing the phone more at the guitar.  I know I fiddled with that and opted in the end for audio only rather than video ... for now at least.
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: Aaronie111 on May 19, 2017, 03:39:23 am
@ sdd56
This is a good job man! It's in time which at this stage is really important and the changes are pretty nailed down, so all in all i'd say big props dude!
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: Aaronie111 on May 19, 2017, 03:43:01 am
Hey Willsie. I think you've done a good job on this to be fair but i'd say if you're finding it hard it's because you're trying to find the same melody as Ed Sheeran but the rhythm is a bit different. Try playing whilst listening to the song and practice for a bit and see if you find it easier. Still, hats off to you mate, good job.
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: vibranttrout on June 23, 2017, 06:52:49 am
This is my first recording of myself actually playing, (i recorded short audio to ask about rhythm, but that doesn't count).  I've been playing since this January and finally got the courage to post, mainly because i am really enjoying the song i'm currently learning and wanted to record it badly.  The song is from stage 8, it's Nothing Else Matters by Metallica.  I would like any and all criticism, but this was only my third take on an unfamiliar guitar, and I learned part 2 of 3 to the song about 5 minutes before so there are definitely errors.  I'd rather it be this way than take multiple takes because it is more realistic of how good (bad) i am, and i will receive more instruction this way and hopefully improve.  So please let me know what you think, and what i can improve upon in my playing!  Hopefully i will keep this spark and post updates of this song as i practice it some, or maybe new songs, I haven't decided yet.


Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: DarrellW on June 23, 2017, 09:07:08 am
For someone who started in January that's pretty damn good!!!
Keep it up and it will come!
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: vibranttrout on June 24, 2017, 12:35:25 am
Thanks Darrell, and yeah I've started to learn that. Seems like I've been able to play a lot more than I thought I'd be able to ever haha


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Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: DavidP on June 24, 2017, 01:01:27 pm
I think that is tremendous.  I'm looking forward to hearing future renditions as you keep working at it.  I don't have any particular critique to offer, rather just keep doing what you are doing.  And if not already doing so then would suggest you use a metronome to help with developing solid timing.

Well played!!

Cheers
David
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: close2u on June 25, 2017, 10:22:52 am
@ willsie01
re: Hurt

Smooth and clear playing throughout, a solid performance, well done.
On the picking sections you allowed the notes to ring out.
You made smooth changes in the transitions.
You upped the dynamic in the chorus.

re: The A Team
Good bouncing rhythm which is essential to lift this song - ever so slightly different to Ed's and no worse for it.
Go back to the original and listen really carefully to the vocal timing and phrasing, you're not quite getting the vocals in the right place and time. It's small but significant.


@ Unsui
re: Bad Moon Rising
I like the way you take the rhythm in to a choppy staccato feel and give it a lot of bounce and energy.
Really well played.

re: Hurt
Another steady performance with smooth transitions and changes, some varying dynamic to keep it flowing. Good stuff.



@sdd56
re: What's Up
That's a really strong, confident strumming rhythm you've got going there, superb.
For development - that song has widely ranging dynamics from full-on to almost breathy whispered. See if you can play along to the original, keep the tempo and match the attack on your guitar to the dynamics of the record.


@vibranttrout
re:
Nothing Else Matters
For a mere 5-month novice you achieved a good performance on a song that requires dexterity, accuracy and good skill. If you're learning this song due to a massive love of it that's cool - we all learn guitar based on inspiration. I would advise you to continue learning all the essential beginner skills and play a really wide range of songs. The cumulative effect of learning from this will enable you to play your favoured songs with even greater skill and enjoy them more.
Great start to your 'recording career'.





It's good to catch up with all new posts - I love this part of the forum.
Keep on folks!
 :)
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: sdd56 on June 27, 2017, 09:32:30 pm
Thanks for your comments Close, really helpful.

I seem to cope with different strumming patterns fairly well, it's those chordy things I have trouble with!  ;D
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: willsie01 on June 29, 2017, 06:55:20 am
@ willsie01
re: Hurt

Smooth and clear playing throughout, a solid performance, well done.
On the picking sections you allowed the notes to ring out.
You made smooth changes in the transitions.
You upped the dynamic in the chorus.

re: The A Team
Good bouncing rhythm which is essential to lift this song - ever so slightly different to Ed's and no worse for it.
Go back to the original and listen really carefully to the vocal timing and phrasing, you're not quite getting the vocals in the right place and time. It's small but significant.



I get a lot of motivation from these comments.
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: vibranttrout on June 29, 2017, 11:59:35 pm

@vibranttrout
re:
Nothing Else Matters
For a mere 5-month novice you achieved a good performance on a song that requires dexterity, accuracy and good skill. If you're learning this song due to a massive love of it that's cool - we all learn guitar based on inspiration. I would advise you to continue learning all the essential beginner skills and play a really wide range of songs. The cumulative effect of learning from this will enable you to play your favoured songs with even greater skill and enjoy them more.
Great start to your 'recording career'.


Thanks for the feedback, i really appreciate your comments everyone who replied.  Thanks for taking the time to try to help me and listen to my playing. 

I finally got some free time to practice a couple days ago and made another video of the same song, i did hesitate once but was able to get right back into it.  I'm a lot more proud of this one but please don't be afraid to tear it to shreds if there's lots of issues.  I made this a couple days ago, I just hadn't got around to posting it.  I think i'm gonna move on from this song and play another acoustic song i learned today.  I might post that today as well. 





Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: vibranttrout on June 30, 2017, 12:38:09 am
I decided to go ahead and make it now, so sorry about the double post, but this is a few days progress, the last vid was recorded a few days ago.  I decided to switch songs to Banana Pancakes by Jack Johnson because i was similarly inspired by the acoustic in this, i love playing this song so much.  this was a second take, I would've taken more but my hand is killing me after playing that twice in a row.  I actually shortened this and sped up slightly compared to the actual song because i realized my hand wasnt gonna make it. 

Also, i need your guys opinion on my guitar.  I figured out the reason im struggling with bar chords on it so much compared to my electric is because its a slide guitar and the fretboard is completely flat.  this makes my minor bar chords and some 7th chords mute a D or G string.  Even if i just lay my finger across i cant get all 6 to ring out no matter how i adjust, one is always dead.  Im thinking about buying a cheap acoustic but i figured id ask if the dead notes were even noticeable in that song.  Specifically on the 3rd chord of the verse that repeats, which is an A minor 7 bar chord.  Even if they aren't noticeable, do you think it would be good to get so i dont strain my hand and wrist, becuase my hand hurts (muscle pain), but my wrist actually is sore and if i play that guitar too much its really sore for a week or so.



Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: DavidP on June 30, 2017, 07:23:28 am
Vibranttrout,

Well played on both songs you've posted.  I really love the way you are mixing up the melody and strumming, getting a really good result.

I don't have any specific comments to make in terms of suggestions, nothing really stood out for me.  As you say, your performance has flaws, as to be expected, and I'd say just keep doing what you are doing and share versions in a few weeks time.  I'm quite sure there'll be a quite noticeable improvement.

Can't comment on your questions about the guitar and challenges with notes.  But pain doesn't sound good.  If it is just through time spent then maybe back it off a bit.  You don't want to sustain an injury.  But if it is almost immediately painful then there's some problem to address, maybe the guitar, maybe technique, posture ... I have no idea.

Cheers
David
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: PerryE on October 06, 2017, 10:03:53 am
Well - this is my first ever two recordings and since I started early this year you have to bear with me... Singing is not really my thing but sounds kind of weird just playing a bunch of chords again and again so I suppose there needs to be some kind of vocals to support the song. Also - need to figure out how to fix the levels - the strumming for "Sing" is really loud (watch your hearing!) and on "Mad World" you can barely hear anything.

Anyway - Mad World with singing/talking https://soundcloud.com/user-814767420/mad-world-w-vocals-20171006

and Travis "Sing" with strumming only https://soundcloud.com/user-814767420/garageband-travis-sing

On Mad World I used a 45-year old all-laminate nylon-string Landola guitar. Like the softer sound when playing with fingers.

About me - 52 years old with a background from classical piano. Used to hang out with people that knew how to sing - therefore I never ever sang in their company.

I have to say a big thanks for Justin creating a world where total beginners not only can get started but also find a path to improve.

Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: Omar on October 06, 2017, 12:10:19 pm
Welcome PerryE. Thanks for sharing your recordings :)

The sound is too low in first link. As for the second link, I like the strumming, well done!
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: PerryE on October 06, 2017, 12:14:31 pm
Thanks Omar! Tried to sing on "Sing" (that sounded weird...) but that turned out to be a complete disaster. Also - my big dread was far too loud compared to my voice which could be a good thing but ... Will try to figure out a better set-up for recording
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: PerryE on October 17, 2017, 12:27:48 pm
https://soundcloud.com/user-814767420/mad-world-w-vocals-20171017-take-1-wav/s-K8PMM

Made another recording but now with better recording levels. Very painful to hear yourself singing but if there is no vocal the song gets really repetitive. Anyway - now it is at least possible to hear;). Sound gets kind of "metallic" and not so soft - at least I am able to work on "issues" which are much more obvious when hearing yourself.

Also added "Sing" by Travis. https://soundcloud.com/user-814767420/sing-strumming-only-20171017

Will try to add vocals on that one but not today...
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: Omar on October 17, 2017, 02:43:37 pm
Well done, Perry, on singing and strumming. I can't really give you a solid advice on both song because I never played them. The more you practice correctly , the better you'll become in guitar. Keep it up! :)
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: DavidP on October 18, 2017, 04:00:36 pm
Good job, Perry.  I think you've done a fine job in the way in which you have chosen to perform Mad World.  You are making good progress with your technique and will continue to sound better as you keep practising.  Not as familiar with Sing so can't really comment much, sounded quite steady.

From a recording point of view, it sounds a little distorted at times.  So I am wondering if perhaps the recording level might be a little high.  Not knowing how you are recording makes it difficult to discuss this further.

Balance between vocal and guitar when mixing is also something to work on, again a lot depends on how you are making the recording.  Personally I'd like the vocal to have a little more presence in the mix, be at a higher level.

But you are making great progress and will only benefit from making more recordings - keep on playing and singing !!
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: PerryE on October 18, 2017, 09:10:05 pm
Wow - Thanks for the feedback! Again - complete beginner when it comes to recording and started playing January this year at the age of 51... Just bought a Focusrite 2i2 studio package which included a Lite version of Ableton. Spent around 1hour checking tutorials and then did these recordings. Believe the input of the guitar was green all the time but will try to reduce anyway. Like Ableton a lot better than GarageBand. My biggest issue now is the singing since I have no clue. Will make a couple of recordings and just listen

Big thanks!


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Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: DavidP on October 19, 2017, 10:37:39 am
Perry,

What a useful coincidence ... I bought the same package and make all my recordings using that gear.  Happy to share my experience and learning, with the caveat that I acquired that in about May/June, began the BC to make a proper go of learning in Dec 2016 and am now 52  ;)

I suggest you target an average level of -6 to -12db on the recording, achieved by dialing down the gain a little on the DI (2i2) i.e. not in the DAW (Ableton).

First step to balance the guitar and vocal is to experiment with mic placement.  My experience has been that the volume of my singing is much lower than my guitar.  So to get a balance I am happy with has been challenging.  I position the mic much closer to my mouth and sometimes try to play a little softer.  The condensor mic that comes with the package is very sensitive all round, so not a lot more that I think you can do when playing and singing together.

Another option is to record the guitar first and then add the vocal as a second recorded track.  This has pros and cons.  Does give you the flexibility to balance the levels between vocal and guitar.  Also allows more focussed concentration on your playing.  But can be difficult to sing in time.  And sometimes what I call the "live & unplugged" recording of playing and singing together delivers a more natural performance, a better energy.

Hope this gives you some food for thought.  And look forward to hearing your progress and offering as much inputs and feedback as I can.

Lastly, check out this website to begin to learn more about recording and mixing if you are so inclined ... https://www.recordingrevolution.com/ (https://www.recordingrevolution.com/)

I have learned a lot reading his posts and downloadable resources plus watching the videos.
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: PerryE on October 19, 2017, 08:30:44 pm
Hello David,

Interesting coincidence about Focusrite 2i2 - I suppose you read similar reviews that showed this to be a good package. I just started reading up on recordingrevolution and there was a ton of useful information. Tried to record vocal and strumming at the same time but the condenser mic picked up far too much sound from the guitar. Fingerstyle it worked OK. However - by first recording the guitar on one track and then vocal I could easily adjust the levels afterwards - also made it easier to focus on one thing at a time.But of course you lose the ability to get the "live&unplugged" feel as you say. In my case I am still a beginner so it is hard as it is.

Anyway - next week I will reduce the gain on the focusrite and see if the sound improves on the guitar Now it sounds really "electrical"/metallic and far from natural. I have a couple of songs I can play so so but my biggest issue is the fact that I have zero experience singing. My background is classical piano and I was never comfortable singing in public - for a couple of years I was hanging out with people who had excellent voices and sang in choirs as well as solo. Intimidating to say the least.

The Graham(?) guy from recording revolution showed the importance of not singing too close to the condenser mic - will try that as well.

Interesting journey I started - if it works for me it should be some kind of proof that you are never too old;). Even if it is painful to listen now I see this as a way to record where I am now - in a few years I will hopefully look back and feel proud of my improvements. In January I barely knew how to strum Em so in a way the journey has already started
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: DavidP on October 20, 2017, 07:13:34 am
Perry,

I think it is absolutely fantastic that in Jan you started with Em and now you can record Mad World finger style ... that warrants celebration !!

As for singing, this community is focused on the playing first and foremost.  You will get singing tips and feedback but, perhaps even more so than playing, everybody appreciates how challenging it is to sing and play, how much courage it takes to sing along.

So keep at it, share everything you are doing ... playing, recording and mixing ... and you will surely make progress.  There are many of us in this Community who are older and all are learning, having fun and making progress.  And I am sure if you are diligent at following the Beginner Course, practice and play regularly (a few times a week) then you will find you can look back and see significant progress over months, not years ... at least that has been my experience.

Enjoy the journey !!
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: sdd56 on December 30, 2017, 07:05:16 pm
Warning - my first vocal track - fortunately it's very short...

I've never been comfortable with singing - I don't like the sound of my voice and I think I have a very narrow range (flat?!).
I'm the type who mimes at weddings and funerals....         

However I decided it was time to add some vocals, otherwise it would be a waste of a good microphone. I've no idea if the guitar is in the best key (I used a capo at fret 2).

This is a very short version of Wham's Last Christmas.  Inspired by Pastie's version, and Justin's lesson.

It's my first attempt at recording in Reaper so I'm hoping to get some tips.

The mp3 seems much quieter that the Reaper master.
I used "render" to save it as an mp3. The master level in Reaper peaks at about -10db.

The vocals were added after the guitar track, then some doubling up and some panning and effects. I wasn't really sure what I was doing but have to say Reaper is quite intuitive.

Comments welcome - be gentle !!

https://soundcloud.com/user-372122422/xmas-v2/s-gjlgA (https://soundcloud.com/user-372122422/xmas-v2/s-gjlgA)

Thanks, Stan.
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: DavidP on December 30, 2017, 07:14:12 pm
Fine, fine first effort Stan ... didn't sound bad at all.

Maybe pick-up the level of the vocal.  For my taste it was a little low relative to the guitar.

You can also boost up the volume on the master in Reaper ... I'm a novice but I think peaking at -10db is quite soft on the master.  I think you can push the peaks up and if you average around -6db without going over 0db that would be fine.  Can do that just with the level fader on the master.  That said, song was fine for my playback.

Now I'm looking forward to a full song !!

Well done !!
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: MrBumble on December 30, 2017, 09:02:29 pm
Yes, not bad at all.

I'm with David, lift the vocal level a bit so your voice can be heard.
You've made the first - and most difficult - step and posted here for all of us to enjoy. Well done.
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: Sweed77 on December 30, 2017, 11:48:30 pm
Hi Stan,

Too short to have an in depth opinion but what was there sounded good to my ear.  Purpose of the capo is to get the song in a key that fits your voice.  In this case you were in tune so it was fine.  Of course you may be able to move it up, down, or take it off dependent on your vocal range.

Not sure why you don't like your voice.  The small sample here sounded fine.  Keep singing in your practices and challenge yourself with songs that make you expand your range.  You'll find a top and bottom for sure but you may cover more range than you think.  The more you sing, the more comfortable you become, the more confidence you build, and the more you can sing out and let yourself go.  From the small sample I belive you can sing a lot better than you think you can.  You just need to stick with it.

Post more songs here.  It's a great community with lots of people that will give honest friendly feedback :)

Sweed
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: embishop on December 31, 2017, 02:22:25 am
I thought it was a really good first post, too short to give any real feedback except to say will be looking forward to your next post 😃 And your voice sounds fine to me!

Mari (Mary)
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: close2u on December 31, 2017, 09:27:48 am
@ vibranttrout

re: Nothing Else Matters take 2
Another good showing and you extended the section.
Again you've got the 6/8 groove going really well and the formation of most of those tricky chords is coming along.
I was going to mention the dead notes and attritbute it to beginner issues but then read your subsequent post about the flat fingerboard etc so will address that below. I think putting songs aside is an important self-edit skill so say to yourself 'hey, wow, look how far I've come with this one ... I'm happy ... when I come back to it in x weeks / months I'll be able to play it even better ...' etc etc.

re: Banana Pancakes
Again, you've definitely got the music in you because you got this one to bounce along and lilt with good feel and groove. You are clearly able to 'form' the barre chords even if there is a lack of clarity in the notes ringing out so that's all coming along nicely.
Well done.

RE; the guitar / fingerboard issue.
You say it is a 'slide guitar' with a flat radius.
One of the reasons that classical / Spanish guitars are not recommended for rock / pop style learning is also to do with them having a flat (and wide) fingerboard. Flat fingerboards are notoriously difficult to barre chord cleanly on and especially so for beginners trying to develop the muscle control and finger dexterity.
It will probably have a high action too which will make it even more difficult. A high action can be lowered by paying for some tech work - removing the bridge, shaving it down with skill and reattaching it, plus filing the nut slots accordingly to match the shaved bridge. It is not a diy job and it may cost more then the worth of the guitar - especially if it still leaves you with a flat radius issue.
But, do not replace this with a cheap replacement. Cheap acoustics are a whole different kettle of fish to cheap electrics. The latter are, for the most part, diy adjustable and can be made okay to play. Cheap acoustics are just that and with so little scope to make adjustments they are just plain hard work and not enjoyable to play.
It seems like you're really in to the acoustic so save and try to get the best you can ... value wise that would be in the 2nd hand market.
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: close2u on December 31, 2017, 09:42:38 am
@ PerryE

The links in your first post are now dead - shame.

RE:  your 2nd two posts of

Mad World
You have a simple picking pattern that works and a consistent rhythm which acts as a clear and melodic accompaniment to your vocal. It's sounding good. Keep it up. As you progress you will start to develop small changes in picking dynamics - emphasising a bass note or raising the level for a particular vocal line then backing off again. But just now you're getting the basics about right.

Sing
Great intro with clean and solid strumming and chord changes. Lots of good hear. Occasionally the strumming pattern slipped away but that is only noticeable because it is a guitar track in isolation. Keep up the good work.

ps
Great tips and advice from DavidP re recording.
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: close2u on December 31, 2017, 09:46:03 am
@sdd56

Short but sweet. The main things I am focussing on - clean chords played rhythmically with good bounce and groove. Well done.
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: sdd56 on December 31, 2017, 05:54:42 pm
Thanks for all the replies and suggestions, you have given me some useful tips - and a boost in confidence. By next Christmas I should be able to post a full length version!

Happy new year to all.
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: PerryE on January 14, 2018, 07:44:55 am
A big Thanks for all the nice feedback and comments! I have kept playing and learning new tunes - just haven’t had time for recording. I also finished a course in Music Theory at University just before Christmas - fascinating! Will try to record some songs within shortly- from now on it can only get better!!!!


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Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: sarah598 on March 08, 2018, 11:33:02 pm
Hi all, I've been going through the beginner's course for a while now with a few starts and stops and finally decided to post my first recording. I recorded Taylor Swift's Back to December from the beginner's songbook following along to a backing track. This is such a lovely song and fun to play along with. It's one of my favorites from the beginner's songbook. Any comments or feedback are appreciated!


https://soundcloud.com/sarah598/tracks
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: DavidP on March 09, 2018, 12:14:16 pm
Sarah,

Congrats on your maiden post.  A wonderful milestone to celebrate.  You are clearly making good progress into the BC ... the fingering of all the chords sounded clean, strumming smooth and steady, I think you maintained a pretty steady tempo throughout (though I'm not a human metronome  ;) ). 

I'm looking forward to the next one.  Enjoy !!

Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: sarah598 on March 10, 2018, 01:34:34 am
@DavidP thank you for your encouraging words and for taking the time to listen. Trying to work on improving my timing!
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: DavidP on March 10, 2018, 05:48:27 am
@DavidP thank you for your encouraging words and for taking the time to listen. Trying to work on improving my timing!
Sarah, it was my pleasure.  If I may, I'd encourage you to drop the word "trying" from what you think, say and write. Rather just tell me and yourself that you are working on improving your timing (ain't we all on that bus). If you haven't already done it, there'll be lessons on using a metronome.  Very beneficial to practice rhythm with the metronome as you work through BC.
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: PerryE on March 10, 2018, 06:05:23 am
Well done and it worked really well to add a backing track at low volume like you did! Did you make the backing track yourself or was it downloaded?


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Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: close2u on March 10, 2018, 09:10:51 am
@ sarah598

Glad you got the link sorted out so we can all now listen. What I hear is as David mentioned, clean, crisp chords played to a solid and steady rhythm. You seem to be doing it all right so far so keep on keeping on. Welcome to the forum.
 :)
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: sarah598 on March 11, 2018, 01:39:20 am
@DavidP Good advice, and yes, we sure are David. I do use a metronome but sometimes when practicing songs I play along with the track as well.

@PerryE Thank you Perry! For this I just used a backing track from guitarbackingtrack.com

@close2u Thank you so much for the welcome and the feedback!
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: LeftyLoosy on March 19, 2018, 05:46:25 pm
I'm really excited today. Over the past few days, I feel like I've made huge strides in my strumming and my chord fingering. This recording is far from perfect, and I can only shift so much of the blame on the not-so-accurate sync-up between my recording and the music video, but so what. I'm proud of what I can do today. Being able to play well again has never felt this possible to me before. Thanks, Justin! And everyone else, I guess.  ;)

Besides the chord and strumming progress, I am just feeling so much more comfortable with the instrument now. It's starting to feel natural, holding the guitar, fingering, strumming, all of it.

So, here's me playing This Year's Love. Hopefully it syncs up OK with the music video, but I thought it might be a little boring just by itself. I mess up a bit at the start, but it gets better.

https://viewsync.net/watch?v=6zN4_7hq77g&t=0&v=nW7dYpCxGPg&t=3.6&mode=solo
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: DavidP on March 19, 2018, 08:12:22 pm
Good for you!! You're making great progress. Continue this way and you'll surely achieve your goals.
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: MrBumble on March 19, 2018, 11:04:55 pm
Thanks for posting this.

It's an interesting way of doing it and I think you made it work.

I really like the song and have always thought that David Gray is rather underrated, I love his voice and he seems to give an authentic performance.
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: close2u on March 20, 2018, 08:25:29 am
@ LeftyLoosy

I had to switch the original off as the out-of-sync was distracting.
Your playing is clean, smooth and clear.
Good stuff.
Keep at it.
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: Matek on March 20, 2018, 03:26:14 pm
You're definitely making progress Lefty. 
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: LeftyLoosy on March 27, 2018, 09:32:29 am
It feels like I can walk again. I'm technically still in stage 3 with my 1-Minute-Changes, but otherwise I'm reaching into stages 4 and 5 for new chords and songs. It's starting to feel like I'm over a hump and the rest of the BC will be a walk in the park compared to stages 1 and 2. We'll see how soon that arrogance is gonna come back and bite me in the ass.  :)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kq15cQuAvRI
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: daren.brown.16 on April 01, 2018, 10:09:46 pm
Think I've finally figured out how to record and share. This is a work in progress only been learning for 5 month. Be gentle.

https://app.box.com/s/xi0z7bxnkm5ppjrtl92eza8j9367e9d3


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Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: DavidP on April 01, 2018, 10:38:22 pm
Think I've finally figured out how to record and share. This is a work in progress only been learning for 5 months. Be gentle
Daren,

Sounds pretty good to me, liked the tones and progressions.

You need to make 5 posts before you can embed a link. I've embedded it for you now

https://app.box.com/s/xi0z7bxnkm5ppjrtl92eza8j9367e9d3 (https://app.box.com/s/xi0z7bxnkm5ppjrtl92eza8j9367e9d3)

Look forward to getting to know you a d listsning to more recordings.
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: daren.brown.16 on April 01, 2018, 10:47:03 pm
Thanks I didn't realise I needed 5 posts.
It was the first time playing to a backing tracks made me realise how I was rushing through it before.
Played on my epiphone les paul standard
Into a zoom g1 pedal.

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Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: LeftyLoosy on April 02, 2018, 11:07:55 am
I like it, well done.
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: Loefgren on April 06, 2018, 08:34:39 am
daren.brown.16: Sweet thats some good playing for 5 months. Some tempo issues but the notes you are playing sounds really good to me. Are you following Justins beginners course or do you learn from some other source ?
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: daren.brown.16 on April 14, 2018, 11:50:56 pm
@ Loefgren
Thanks
I have started following the beginners course and making some progress with it.
I do make a point to pick the guitar up every chance I get.

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Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: The_Fien on May 13, 2018, 09:13:43 pm
Hi,

This is my first upload. It's "Three Little Birds" using off beat strumming. I start playing at after the intro.

https://soundcloud.com/jerry-murphy-985162650/three-little-birds-v1


I used down strums as I really struggle with up strums off beat. Any constructive criticisms welcome!
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: DavidP on May 13, 2018, 09:27:46 pm
Good job, Jerry.

I think your strumming maintained a fairly steady, consistent beat throughout.  Chords sounded fairly well formed.  Just keep practising to get your strumming to have a nice, easy, fluent feel to it, that is consistent. 

Something I did when starting was to play along with Justin throughout the song lesson he's done for Three Little Birds.  I found it easier to play with him while I was watching and listening, than trying to get into a smooth rhythm playing with the original.  I knew I was making progress when I could play along at the start of the video when he plays through the song before starting to teach the chord progression.

Congrats on posting up the recording.
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: MrBumble on May 13, 2018, 09:44:11 pm
For three weeks in this is not bad at all. And well done for going public with it - that takes a lot of courage.

To be honest I missed Three Little Birds out of my playing development because I just can't stand the song.

Keep on like this and play along with Justin and you'll be fine. First vibes from me!
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: The_Fien on May 17, 2018, 09:00:11 pm
Thanks for the support!

I will have my guitar a month tomorrow and I had hoped to post a clip of me playing "I'd rather be blind" with triplet strumming but I'm not quite there yet with the strumming at full speed so here is me playing it with quarter note strumming.

https://soundcloud.com/jerry-murphy-985162650/rather-be-blind-v1 (https://soundcloud.com/jerry-murphy-985162650/rather-be-blind-v1)
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: DavidP on May 17, 2018, 09:05:38 pm
Sounding good, keep it up.
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: embishop on May 24, 2018, 11:11:47 pm
@ The_Fien
You're sounding great for one month in! Nice steady strumming, you'll get the triple strumming I'm sure no problem as you continue to practice and build up to full speed.

Mari
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: silman on August 30, 2018, 04:15:45 am
So at this point i am 1 month into learning guitar seriously with Justin Guitar. I try to get at minimum 15 minutes of practice a day with some days being up to 2 hours (weekends mostly).

All my one minute chord changes so far are above 40 and many above 60.

I have a weird problem where i truly believe my stage 3 songs are sounding a lot more like "real music" than the stage 1 songs. Don't confuse that with the fact the stage 1 songs are reduced in complexity, i can't seem to get my stage 1 songs to sound like justins which sound like real music. I am doing the advnaced strumming on both which i honestly dont feel is that hard (at least for Hey Ya since i've practiced old faithful more so far).

I have recorded myself playing one stage 1 song (Bad Moon Rising) and one stage 3 song (Hey Ya!).

Here is the link to Bad Moon Rising: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SVU-Zmdn7MM

Here is the link to Hey Ya!: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_E0VWgp_7Hc

Is it just me or is Hey Ya! WAY nicer sounding as "real music" than Bad Moon Rising despite having more complex chords?

What am i doing wrong? Why doesnt my Bad Moon Rising sound like Justin at the beginning of the video?

Also what else am i doing thats bad? I think i'm trying to go too fast right now so i am going to slow down, but at this point i've been on stage three for 3ish weeks and have gotten my chord changes over 60 for a lot of them (including C-G) but when i do it during a song it seems to go down a bit.
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: close2u on August 30, 2018, 12:05:00 pm

For some reason the forum is not allowing me to post external links so append these to the basic youtube url.


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Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: silman on August 30, 2018, 02:36:31 pm
check you pm inbox

Thanks for the tip! I now got the links edited back into my post!

I thought of this question but forgot to ask it. Regarding my performances/playing - to me it sounds like the low E and A strings (strings 5 and 6) are ringing out in a booming way that muddles all the other ones. Before the recordings i adjust the tone knobs and the EQ on my amp (very basic EQ adjustment) to make it less powerful but i still feel like it is overpowering the others. Is that just because i'm strumming them too hard? Is this a common problem? Does it have anything to do with the quality of my guitar (fender squier strat aint exactly a superstar guitar).
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: CT on August 30, 2018, 04:06:35 pm
@silman, I'd say that's good stage 3 playing. At this point you want to get into the groove of these songs, which means focusing on down strums, and makes counting, foot tapping and the metronome your best friends. Sound good, keep at it!   
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: DavidP on August 30, 2018, 04:20:21 pm
You are doing well, Aaron.  Good on you for posting early in the journey to start getting feedback.

I agree with your earlier comment about slowing down.  There is a difference between doing one minute chord changes and playing a song.  For the former you can get into a groove, you don't have to think about what comes next and when to change ... you are just changing back and forth as quickly as possible (while making clean changes mostly). 

When it comes to playing a song, now you have to keep in mind what is the next change and when to make the change.  This then adds more things to think about, hence making it more of a challenge, as you allude to in your post.

This is why Justin advocates, starting with just down-strums at a tempo that is slow enough that you can make the changes clean without missing a beat.  And when you get to a tempo where you are smooth and have it down then (theory says) the brain finds it easier to speed this up.

That said, I thought your strumming when you were in the groove was pretty steady using Old Faithful.  Which is excellent for a month in!

In response to your question about the bass tones.  I would say it is in your playing rather than in the guitar or amp, that sounded fine.  Your observation that maybe you hit those strings harder sounds reasonable.  Also remember that on a D chord you should not be hitting the E and A string at all and for an A chord you should try to miss the E string.  If you are catching those open strings it will detract from the sound of the chord.  Again, trick is to slow down to work on a smooth, even strum on the downs, playing to the metronome, tapping the foot and counting as CT suggested.

If you listen to Justin, he makes 4 simple down-strums played at half-speed sound musical, just like the song because his strum his smooth, consistent and regular like a metronome.  I used to play along with Justin when he was stepping slowly through a song to help long the chord progression and try and get the feeling of being in time by mirroring him.

Long answer, hopefully helpful.  Keep up the practice you've made a great start.
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: silman on August 30, 2018, 05:08:03 pm
@ CT
Thanks for the feedback! I will admit up to this point i really have not used a metronome at all (i know, i'm bad about it!) and foot-tap only rarely. I will have to start forcing myself to start doing that! Appreciate you taking the time to watch the recordings and give feedback!

@ DavidP
I really appreciate the long reply! It both gives me encouragement that i'm on the right track but also gives me a clear idea of what i need to do to improve. From now on i will focus on slowing down and getting into the right groove instead of trying to blaze through with the highest tempo and complex strumming pattern. Hopefully with a couple more weeks of practice I will feel ready to move to stage four but i want to make sure i am not developing bad habits before i move onward.

Thanks again for watching the recordings and giving honest feedback!
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: DavidP on August 30, 2018, 05:15:26 pm
@ silman
It's a pleasure.  Welcome to the Community ... a place where we are all here trying to support and assist each other.

You hit the nail on the head in your response.  Slowing down and getting your foundation on the basics super solid will pay dividends as you move forward.  All the guitar legends I have listened to emphasise how important solid rhythm is, whatever you ultimately want to play (blues, rock, folk, country, as a rhythm player or shredding solos).  Be patient and deliberate now and you'll save yourself problems in the future.
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: PilgrimPod on November 05, 2018, 09:58:11 am
Ok. Time to break the internet with my fantastic guitar playing skills. 8)

Here's my effort for stage one of the beginner course. Having read a fair few posts on the forum it appears quite a lot of people move swiftly on from the first stage but I've been sat on it for two whole months...

What I've found is starting with the simpler slower tempo songs, once I got to a stage I was happy with my playing I'd move on to something quicker and try and learn that. Rinse and repeat. Revisiting the slower songs having learned something quicker has made them so much easier to play; my fingers transition quicker between the chords, have become more accurate in their placement and pressure and my strumming (albeit slowly) has improved.

Currently I've been trying to learn to play CCR's Down on the Corner using Justin's beginner song course app. I'm not 100% happy as things are still quite sloppy but this is a true reflection of where I'm at.  :)

I thought it best to post a video of me playing so folks can see all my early bad habits and hopefully critique and advise on how I can improve. Many thanks to any and all who take the time to check out my playing.





Also, just for fun I thought I'd lay down some angelic vocals for my own amusement.  ::)

https://soundcloud.com/pilgrimpod/down-on-the-corner (https://soundcloud.com/pilgrimpod/down-on-the-corner)
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: DanniTSI3 on November 05, 2018, 10:40:52 am
Just watch the YouTube... Solid!

You should be super stoked with yourself mate. Kept in time and no stuff ups that I could hear.

Think stage 2 is beckoning your name

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Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: max_mue on November 05, 2018, 12:21:30 pm
Hey PilgrimPod! Glad to see your first video!

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Having read a fair few posts on the forum it appears quite a lot of people move swiftly on from the first stage but I've been sat on it for two whole months...
Just take your time - better to do it the right way and a bit slower!
I couldn't spot any bad habits, so taking your time in stage 1 payed off :)

I vocals were very enjoyable btw ;) The fact that you could sing along nicely is a good proof that your playing was good and timing was solid!

Keep on playing and be proud of your accomplishments :)
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: DavidP on November 05, 2018, 12:44:00 pm
Hip Hip Hooray ...  well done, PilgrimPod.

I like the fact that you did the video and the audio.  Really, really did enjoy the song.  I concur with other replies ... steady rhythm, good chord changes using the anchor finger well, strumming smooth and the vocal was excellent. 

And given steady rhythm, clean playing when you combine your singing which is easy on the ear you end up with a recording that was musical and enjoyable to listen to.

Now I can only quote LBro ... Rock On !!

Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: brianlarsen on November 05, 2018, 01:04:57 pm
That is an impressive performance for two months in, mate  8)

Whatever way you're doing the course, I wouldn't change anything!

Also, just for fun I thought I'd lay down some angelic vocals for my own amusement.  ::)

Did you add the vocals in afterwards, or rerecord and play at the same time.
The vocals were terrific
Vibes!  :)
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: PilgrimPod on November 05, 2018, 01:29:18 pm
Think stage 2 is beckoning your name
My other half will be pleased, she's sick of hearing me 'try' and play Down on the Corner! :-X

I vocals were very enjoyable btw ;) The fact that you could sing along nicely is a good proof that your playing was good and timing was solid!
Did you add the vocals in afterwards, or rerecord and play at the same time.
I cheated and added them afterwards. I really wanted to play and sing at the same time but both suffer when I try and combine them currently. To be honest, I thought it would be better not to add vocals to the video as I didn't want them to distract from my playing as that is what I'm looking for advice on; I don't need anyone to tell me I can't sing I already know that, I just have no shame. ;D

I like the fact that you did the video and the audio.  Really, really did enjoy the song.  I concur with other replies ... steady rhythm, good chord changes using the anchor finger well, strumming smooth and the vocal was excellent.
Thanks David for your encouraging words. I'm looking forward to learning more in stage 2 and trying out a few more songs!

That is an impressive performance for two months in, mate  8)
Like I said, I cheated with the vocals but the shoddy playing was all me! Thanks for the kind words Brian. :)

Now I can only quote LBro ... Rock On !!
Rock on All !! 8)
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: max_mue on November 05, 2018, 02:05:38 pm
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I cheated and added them afterwards

I was aware of that and it's proof of your timing skills nonetheless :)
I wouldn't call that cheating, it's rather divide & conquer :D Doing both at the same time is hard and IMO you have to be able to do at least one of those two parts of a song without thinking too much about it.
Uploading both versions was definitely a good idea :)

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I just have no shame :D
This gives you a head start and I tell you that you can sing ;)
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: DavidP on November 05, 2018, 02:35:42 pm
PilgrimPod,

Max got in ahead of me but feel strongly so going to help drive the point home ...

Over-dubbing the vocal after recording the guitar is not cheating.  We can have a further philosophical conversation over in "Just chatting" as to what would constitute 'cheating" but no way should you think of what you did as cheating.  It is a choice as to how to perform and record to deliver the song as you want it.  And those are choices that all the pro-recording artists consider and make decisions how they want to produce studio albums.

And if you never ever play and sing together that would be fine ... until you want to play and sing at an open mic  :)

As for no shame ... that's great.

However, based on that recording I'd contest your assertion that you can't sing.  Your voice sounded good, easy on the ear timbre, phrasing and timing that matched the music.  I can't comment if you were pitch perfect throughout as that is beyond my ears.  Irrespective it was enjoyable to listen to, which means in my book you sing well enough to add vocals to the songs you learn to play and would keep them coming, just as you did here ...  video for guitar technique feedback and the audio that adds the vocal.

Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: Sweed77 on November 05, 2018, 07:12:42 pm
PilgrimPod

Solid clean sounding chords, smooth changes, and in time with your track.  If that's because you took a little longer on stage 1 well, it was time well spent  :) 

Not anything to really criticize in your technique it was really well played.  My only thought watching was it didn't appear that you are tapping your foot?  It's not a must but I think most find it helps with timing as things pick up speed and become more complex.  I remember thinking foot tapping should be easy when I first started but it was anything but  :-[  It didn't help that as a music listener I had always tapped with my right foot so switching to left while trying to learn to play guitar certainly added to the challenge  ;)

Add me to the list that thinks you have a nice voice.  Good tone and it fit the song very well.  Nothing wrong with adding the vocal after, singing along will come in good time.  The main thing, with that voice, is keep singing! 

You've got a nice solid base to build on, well done.

Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: PilgrimPod on November 06, 2018, 09:31:17 am
I wouldn't call that cheating, it's rather divide & conquer :D Doing both at the same time is hard and IMO you have to be able to do at least one of those two parts of a song without thinking too much about it.
Over-dubbing the vocal after recording the guitar is not cheating.  We can have a further philosophical conversation over in "Just chatting" as to what would constitute 'cheating" but no way should you think of what you did as cheating.  It is a choice as to how to perform and record to deliver the song as you want it.  And those are choices that all the pro-recording artists consider and make decisions how they want to produce studio albums.
End-game for me is to play a few simple ditties whilst being able to sing along at the same time. That's all I really want from playing guitar. For Down on the Corner I wanted to throw a vocal on it for my amusement and curiousity but having tried multiple times to play and sing at the same time I came to realise that is beyond me right now so I did the next best thing and over-dubbed. Maybe 'cheated' was the wrong choice of words, rather 'took a short cut' to reach my end goal. :D

Not anything to really criticize in your technique it was really well played.  My only thought watching was it didn't appear that you are tapping your foot?  It's not a must but I think most find it helps with timing as things pick up speed and become more complex.  I remember thinking foot tapping should be easy when I first started but it was anything but  :-[  It didn't help that as a music listener I had always tapped with my right foot so switching to left while trying to learn to play guitar certainly added to the challenge  ;)
Foot tapping is covered in stage 2 I believe so I'll try and incorporate that in my next video in say, another two months... ;D

The mobile app lessons appear to differ slightly to the web course so I'm trying to cover all lessons from both. At stage 2 the app touches briefly upon up strums which I just know are going to prove a nightmare for me. My pick is unruly at the best of times but having dabbled a little with DDDUD the pick just twists and turns and moves everywhere. It's going to take time to tame this beast. ::)

Thanks for taking the time to offer me advice Sweed, it is very much appreciated. :)
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: OpsRes on December 18, 2018, 09:24:43 pm
Two years ago I got a guitar for Christmas and started Justin's course. So far I'm happy with the progress that I've made and so I thought I'd post a video to get some feedback from the community.

Any feedback or suggestion are appreciated.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ic7CBrH6KLs

Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: DavidP on December 19, 2018, 06:50:35 am
OpsRes,

Good idea to make the video.  And in a nutshell, you sounded good to me.

The chords were clean, I heard no muted notes
The changes were smooth, didn't hear any hiccups even on the fast changes
The strumming was even, smooth and consistent

Only two thoughts to share that may be useful in term of improving.

I noticed that on some of the chords your wrist is bent.  I think (I say think because I am also two years into Justin's courses) it is recommended to keep the wrist straighter.  I think this would be related to the position of the left arm, perhaps pushing the elbow a little further forward, perhaps changing the angle of the neck relative to your body.

There were a few bars towards the end of the song where you only strummed on the 1st beat.  Justin recommends to always keep the hand moving at tempo to the beat.  I think you may have been "counting" the skipped beats with a small tapping action of the right hand.  Maybe later as you develop it will be useful to have this continuation motion when you start to skip more down strums in more complicated patterns.

But other than that, to me it looked and sounded really good, pretty relaxed. 

Good going and keep on rocking and rolling !!
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: OpsRes on December 19, 2018, 06:27:35 pm
David, thanks for listening and give me some feedback.
I hadn't noticed that about bending my wrist, I'll work on getting it straighten out.
As for keeping the arm moving in the bars that are only the one strum, I had started out keeping the arm moving but for whatever reason it just felt more comfortable just doing the count. Unfortunately I have noticed on other recording that I've made I can actually hear myself count when I play it back.
I'm going to have to try to go back to moving the arm on those missed strums.

Thanks again
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: close2u on December 22, 2018, 09:57:36 am
Note to self … come in here asap and catch up with all the recent posts.

Great that beginners are still posting and I'm sorry not to have got in here sooner.
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: close2u on December 22, 2018, 10:37:09 am
@ LeftyLoosy

re: I Don't Wanna Live Forever
Very steady playing. Well done. Good clean sounding chords.
Try to develop the constant movement in your strumming arn - to be in smooth constant motion to match the beat / tempo. If a song has stop / start strums you can allow your strumming arm to keep moving and live inside the rhythm.




Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: close2u on December 22, 2018, 10:37:35 am
@ daren.brown.16
re: Perfect
How much of that track is youand how much backing? Is it you playing just the melody over the top?
It sounds assured and smooth. Well done.

Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: close2u on December 22, 2018, 10:38:06 am
@ The_Fien
re: Three Little Birds
Good vibes for trying to play on the off-beat reggae style. Especially after such a short time learning.
It is not so easy, especially if you're also trying to mute - which you do make an effort to do. So good vibes for that also.
It sounded good for your amount of time playing so keep up the good work.

re: I'd Rather Be Blind
Keepng the strumming simple at your stage isthe way to develop so well done, you were smooth and consistent throughout.
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: close2u on December 22, 2018, 10:38:37 am
@ silman

re: Bad Moon Rising and Hey Ya
You're making good progress and to continue without developing bad habits I suggest you do the following. Slow down the entire tempo of the song you're playing so that when you reach whichever chord change is your slowest, the speed of that chord change does not stand out as a pause, a blip, an interruption, to the general flow of the tempo of the song.
It is a common beginner thing.
Everyone likes to play at tempo, at speed. But if you play two bars of G fast then take a second or two to form your next chord before playing it for another two bars or so, then the whole structure of the groove, the rhythm, the smoothness, the musicality breaks down.
Slow it down to where there are no pauses or interruptions in the chord progression from the chord changes.
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: close2u on December 22, 2018, 10:38:53 am
@ PilgrimPod
re: Down On The Corner
That was a really solid play through and perfectly emodied the essence of a strumming arm in constant motion up / down in time with the tempo and rhythm.
Solid playing. Keep it up.
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: close2u on December 22, 2018, 10:39:08 am
@ OpsRes
re: Chatahoochee
Sounding good, lots of steady, clean chord strumming on that lovely looking Sheraton.
Including some clear F barre chords Keep up the good work. :)
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: OpsRes on December 23, 2018, 03:41:29 pm
@ OpsRes
re: Chatahoochee
Sounding good, lots of steady, clean chord strumming on that lovely looking Sheraton.
Including some clear F barre chords Keep up the good work. :)

Thanks close2u, it's great to get feedback from someone who knows what they're doing. I do love the Sheraton, it's a lot of fun to play. I'm still figuring out how to get the variety of sounds out of it that I know it is capable of but that's part of the fun.

Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: PilgrimPod on December 23, 2018, 11:51:53 pm
Thanks close2u, it's great to get feedback from someone who knows what they're doing.
+1  :)
Title: Re: Beginner's Thread
Post by: Fresher on October 29, 2019, 02:14:56 pm
WHATS UP - Recording 2

Ok folks here's another take, after sorting the strumming pattern out at 16ths and slowing down to 63 bpm.
Sounded ok so decided to record against a backing track I'd found. Softer picking attempted, hence me losing the grip around 2:10 and 3:00.................apologies to Linda Perry for what I have done !

    https://soundcloud.com/tobyjenner/whats-up-recording-2

Stayed for the whole journey this time. Boy that took concentration. Oh yeah this time on the Washburn HB30 via my Behringer GX110 to Audacity. 8)

Good one!

BTW, where did you found this backtrack?

Cheers.