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Title: We Came As Strangers Mixing Competition
Post by: Endureth on June 04, 2014, 09:59:37 am
So I took a stab at Justin's mixing competition and searched for other threads that I could add to but haven't seen one yet so I started this one.  I put it here because it's the 'production' forum so if it belongs somewhere else, please move it for me?

Here's my entry, submitted through all the proper channels, just posting here to see how many other people are going to give it a go and share their mixes.

I opted not to add any instruments but I took some out and did a bit of arranging.

Enjoy:





Title: Re: We Came As Strangers Mixing Competition
Post by: artonsafari on June 04, 2014, 04:06:30 pm
Cool. Might have to give it a go in a style I'm not used to.  :D
Title: Re: We Came As Strangers Mixing Competition
Post by: TheCasual on June 05, 2014, 07:18:05 pm




My attempt at butchering very good song.

Didn't add any new playing, but replaced the drums and bass with a more reggae groove. Also adding a sitar instead of the piano. I removed the synth because it clashed with sitar.
Title: Re: We Came As Strangers Mixing Competition
Post by: Cue Zephyr on June 06, 2014, 12:11:37 am
I'm giving it a go.

Since there's no mention of entries-per-person I might end up with two radically different mixes. Provided I don't run out of inspiration on one. ;D
Title: Re: We Came As Strangers Mixing Competition
Post by: TheCasual on June 06, 2014, 12:31:31 am
I'm giving it a go.

Since there's no mention of entries-per-person I might end up with two radically different mixes. Provided I don't run out of inspiration on one. ;D

Read on the WCAS website you can enter as many times as you want.

With your talent I expect something special  ;)

Something bluegrass? banjo riffs?  ;)
Title: Re: We Came As Strangers Mixing Competition
Post by: Endureth on June 06, 2014, 01:06:08 am
Good to hear because I might be working on another version right now.
Title: Re: We Came As Strangers Mixing Competition
Post by: mike42 on June 06, 2014, 01:12:17 am
Wow, this looks pretty cool! Hopefully I'll have some time to give it a go this weekend.
Title: Re: We Came As Strangers Mixing Competition
Post by: TB-AV on June 06, 2014, 04:13:33 am
I've started something rough, but I hope they aren't going to end this any time soon.

   
Title: Re: We Came As Strangers Mixing Competition
Post by: Cue Zephyr on June 06, 2014, 09:59:57 am
I'm giving it a go.

Since there's no mention of entries-per-person I might end up with two radically different mixes. Provided I don't run out of inspiration on one. ;D

Read on the WCAS website you can enter as many times as you want.

With your talent I expect something special  ;)

Something bluegrass? banjo riffs?  ;)
Ah, thanks for the compliment! :)

I only read the PDF, not the website. I should've known. ;D

I was indeed thinking of something bluegrass-influenced, but with more of a general acoustic music approach. Sucks that I don't have an upright bass at my disposal, but many acoustic sessions use an electric bass anyway.

ETA: And so did New Grass Revival, except I'm not even 1% as talented as even one of the members. :P
Title: Re: We Came As Strangers Mixing Competition
Post by: TheCasual on June 08, 2014, 02:08:38 pm
Had another go at butchering and went totally out my comfort zone and did a dance remix.



Title: Re: We Came As Strangers Mixing Competition
Post by: LievenDV on June 08, 2014, 02:20:09 pm
Good job guys; I like diggers version most though


TheCasual: no offence but for you no "good job". You just sampled Adagio for Strings, the piano that falls in around 0:20 conflicts with the rhythm and around 0:30 it gets a total mess with asynchronous beats and melodies. The piano going through the song just doesn't fit.

Again, no offence but are you mocking us as a forumtroll or did you seriously believe this was a good entry?
If you're no troll; excuse my harshness but I don't think your up to this challenge.
Title: Re: We Came As Strangers Mixing Competition
Post by: TheCasual on June 08, 2014, 02:39:23 pm
Good job guys; I like diggers version most though


TheCasual: no offence but for you no "good job". You just sampled Adagio for Strings, the piano that falls in around 0:20 conflicts with the rhythm and around 0:30 it gets a total mess with asynchronous beats and melodies. The piano going through the song just doesn't fit.

Again, no offence but are you mocking us as a forumtroll or did you seriously believe this was a good entry?
If you're no troll; excuse my harshness but I don't think your up to this challenge.

No offence taken.

I haven't and wasn't going to enter it.

I don't listen to dance and it's my only my second ever attempt. You never get the stems for songs, but I'd thought mess around with it.

I did put "butchered"  ;)

I'm definitely no troll  :D

Title: Re: We Came As Strangers Mixing Competition
Post by: Borodog on June 08, 2014, 02:47:05 pm
Lieven,

That was uncalled for.

Title: Re: We Came As Strangers Mixing Competition
Post by: bradt on June 08, 2014, 03:04:54 pm
Good job guys; I like diggers version most though


TheCasual: no offence but for you no "good job". You just sampled Adagio for Strings, the piano that falls in around 0:20 conflicts with the rhythm and around 0:30 it gets a total mess with asynchronous beats and melodies. The piano going through the song just doesn't fit.

Again, no offence but are you mocking us as a forumtroll or did you seriously believe this was a good entry?
If you're no troll; excuse my harshness but I don't think your up to this challenge.

Wow!!!  I didn't think it was so bad. Once you focus in on the beat it starts making sense rhythmically surprisingly enough. I kind of enjoyed it. I've certainly heard worse remixes done by professional DJs.

I was gonna try and mess with it some, but I suppose I'll just keep it to myself now.
Title: Re: We Came As Strangers Mixing Competition
Post by: TB-AV on June 08, 2014, 04:56:31 pm
No offence taken.

I haven't and wasn't going to enter it.


If you move that piano around a bit,,, that's not a bad arrangement. You might as well enter it. what usually happens with these mix competitions is this... There are few that just don't sound right... lot's of reasons but they just aren't right.

Then there are those that are a lot alike. Nothing earth shatteringly different about them. People will say, of this bass drum sounds better than that one or this reverb is batter than that one but overall they are actually real similar emotionally even if different styles.

Then you get a couple that are noticeably different but have some inherent flaw that sticks out.

Then you have a couple guys that do this stuff for a living, have a nice studio and they come up with something that is just mind blowing --- this is way more so when they take a somewhat novice band and rework it than with people like Justin is hanging with. although it can happen either way.

BUT..... if you don't post yours and all the others don't post theirs then no one can say... wow, I can fix this aspect of my my mix by talking to the guy that did the middle of the road mix and got a great sounding bass or whatever.... AND... people will also tell you, without you asking what to fix on yours and how to fix it. You are not going to go from 'can't mix' to 'pro mix' in two steps....... or if you do, you better quit your job and go to London or Nashville or something.....

Take your piano track, turn "SNAP TO GRID" OFF. Slide it around while the music plays. See if it will sit in the mix somewhere else. AND/OR listen for a piece of the piano track and see if it would work as a loop dropped in somewhere repeatedly or occasionally.

BTW... where are the other mixes? I would like to hear some others. I don't care if they are good or bad.



Title: Re: We Came As Strangers Mixing Competition
Post by: LievenDV on June 08, 2014, 05:11:12 pm
Yeah I was a bit harsh, I agree. I used to be a ( mediocre) DJ a while back and The sound of double asynchronous beats make me cringe. The radical piano is usable, if used right.

But pleeeease drop The adagio for strings intro. THAT really yanked my chains :) ( and made me say The troll stuff.
I thought you were mocking The competition really :) )

 Do what TB said; you'll need to move some things around a bit.

My advice would be to let it "breathe" some more. Pull a track or 2 out of it or only use parts.

Title: Re: We Came As Strangers Mixing Competition
Post by: TB-AV on June 08, 2014, 05:25:53 pm
I was gonna try and mess with it some, but I suppose I'll just keep it to myself now.

That's the spirit!!

Seriously,,, he said "no offense" twice, and said maybe he is missing something here. What you may not realize is that people sit mixing and get so involved that they do indeed "focus in" on one aspect and loose sight of what they are doing..... then someone totally detached hears it, most likely on a different system too, and they are bombarded with "WTF" and react to it....

That's what music does, it creates an emotion in the listener. If you can't deal with the emotion you create in others and accept that not everyone is going see it your way, then you should probably just stick to time tested covers.

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I've certainly heard worse remixes done by professional DJs.

So have I, and those DJ's mixes suck too. Which goes to show you, if you can take a professional musicians work and remix to something else great or even better, you have really done something special. Doing it over and over is even more so... I'm pretty sure with some of of these DJs, they did one really awesome mix, then someone told them they were great..... and that's the last they heard... the fact is, some of them are doing stuff that is really not the least bit interesting but it goes boom boom boom boom and he has a cool looking logo.

If you would quit worrying about getting your feelings hurt and listen to what -everyone- is telling you you will be 1000 miles further down the road. There is always a reason people hear what they hear. The more of these reasons you know about the better. Sometimes it's on your end and sometimes it's on their end... at the end of the day though, the more of those things you understand the better off you will be. Good luck figuring them out without presenting your work and having others tell you.

ETA: Posting at same time as Lieven's reply



Title: Re: We Came As Strangers Mixing Competition
Post by: Endureth on June 08, 2014, 05:26:16 pm
You are not going to go from 'can't mix' to 'pro mix' in two steps....... or if you do, you better quit your job and go to London or Nashville or something.....

Chantal should move to Nashville then, according to her it's her first mix and it's my favorite so far.
Title: Re: We Came As Strangers Mixing Competition
Post by: TB-AV on June 08, 2014, 05:42:24 pm
You are not going to go from 'can't mix' to 'pro mix' in two steps....... or if you do, you better quit your job and go to London or Nashville or something.....

Chantal should move to Nashville then, according to her it's her first mix and it's my favorite so far.

I once went into a lady's home and told her how impressed I was with the design. That I had never seen it before. She answered phones at an architectural firm. They promoted her to designer after seeing what she did. She had never done it before. She is still not an Architect.

Sit someone down in front of 50 raw tracks from a bar band and get back to me. The typical person that can't mix is not going to come up with a professional mix. These are professional stems. The typical person that can't mix will not even be able to render these stems. the whole point of giving out the stems is so that more people can indeed come up with cool sounding stuff.

I look forward to hearing her mix though... and all the others as well. I hope someone comes up with something really cool. All I need to do is figure out where they are. I don't really follow the Twitter and FB stuff so not sure where's all located.... I haven't even had time to read the pdfs that came with files.



Title: Re: We Came As Strangers Mixing Competition
Post by: Endureth on June 08, 2014, 05:47:59 pm
All I need to do is figure out where they are. I don't really follow the Twitter and FB stuff so not sure where's all located....

https://www.facebook.com/WeCameAsStrangers

On the right hand side there will be a little box that says "Recent Posts by others on We Came as Strangers".  Each one that has a paper clip next to it is an entry.  Click the paper clips.

There's a metal mix up there that's not too bad either.
Title: Re: We Came As Strangers Mixing Competition
Post by: TheCasual on June 08, 2014, 06:19:28 pm
Cheers for the advice.

Because I have no experience of this kind of thing I tried to just replace each instrument exactly.

Adagio was for a slow build up.

I'm currently pratting around with it now  :)
Title: Re: We Came As Strangers Mixing Competition
Post by: LievenDV on June 08, 2014, 06:22:12 pm
btw the casual; in addition; I found the record back that made the intro a bit cheezy;
the remix by William Orbit of that Adagio for strings song: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VIbIHxKh9bk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VIbIHxKh9bk)

It wasn't only a sample; it was also hugely "been done" ;)

I relistened to your song. there is just a bit too much happening at once;
You could, while taking that apart; make 2 soungs out of that I'm sure :)

At least I can't argue with the fact that you are productive, far more than I am :)


and people; I refered to Diggers version but I think it's only on his Facebook; my bad!

Title: Re: We Came As Strangers Mixing Competition
Post by: TB-AV on June 08, 2014, 07:01:42 pm
All I need to do is figure out where they are. I don't really follow the Twitter and FB stuff so not sure where's all located....

https://www.facebook.com/WeCameAsStrangers

On the right hand side there will be a little box that says "Recent Posts by others on We Came as Strangers".  Each one that has a paper clip next to it is an entry.  Click the paper clips.

There's a metal mix up there that's not too bad either.

10-4, I'lll check it...... I found some on Youtube... there was one kinda rocking or metal ... some good ideas bu the sound quality of the mix was not quite there.... although I don;t necessarily trust SoundCloud or Youtube in that regard because I have heard them both screw up sounds.

I actually like most ever one I've heard and Chantal's is nice.... she's banned for life from winning anything else though unless she gives me that SG.

I think I may have actually formed some sort of idea as to what direction mine is going... now if I can pull something together. Here is a next idea from the last.

   
Title: Re: We Came As Strangers Mixing Competition
Post by: Endureth on June 08, 2014, 07:06:16 pm
I think I may have actually formed some sort of idea as to what direction mine is going... now if I can pull something together. Here is a next idea from the last.

I think you're on to something with the horns.  That was an unexpectedly nice touch.
Title: Re: We Came As Strangers Mixing Competition
Post by: TB-AV on June 08, 2014, 07:24:49 pm
I think I may have actually formed some sort of idea as to what direction mine is going... now if I can pull something together. Here is a next idea from the last.

I think you're on to something with the horns.  That was an unexpectedly nice touch.

Thanks, at first I thought well, that idea is ok but not what I was hoping for, at least it's a place holder, but now I feel like they are integral to whatever happens next. I was within a mouse click of trashing the whole thing and trying an upbeat techno thing but I think I'll try to keep going.

Title: Re: We Came As Strangers Mixing Competition
Post by: TheCasual on June 08, 2014, 08:15:32 pm
Do some thinning out on the track.

It sounds very 80's though haha.

   
Title: Re: We Came As Strangers Mixing Competition
Post by: TB-AV on June 08, 2014, 08:51:32 pm
You probably need to bring that bass drum up. It's hard to hear and definitely can't feel it  If you are going for the dance beat it needs to thump. ... and the one included is a thumper on it's own. So you should be able to get it working.

Your new bass line sounds about right for that style but you lost the kick. The dancers need that kick.
Title: Re: We Came As Strangers Mixing Competition
Post by: Cue Zephyr on June 08, 2014, 09:28:24 pm
With all these mixes cropping up I'm starting to wonder if I should actually enter. I've been out of producing/mixing for a while now and the last track I did sounded extremely outdated. ;D
Title: Re: We Came As Strangers Mixing Competition
Post by: TB-AV on June 09, 2014, 01:58:32 am
Well everybody seems to have their own idea of what a remix is.

The song is a good song on it's own, you could do the banjo mix where the only real difference is that it has a banjo track. that's a new mix.

I'm not sure what they want or expect, I think it's anything goes, but I expect they want it recognized as the same song. IOW, not a new song with samples from their song placed in. and not a mashup of two songs.

I've heard remixes that a lot of them don't sound a whole lot different. One might be bass heavy, one might have strong bass and drum line for dancing, one might be instrumental, one might have a guest artist.

If nothing else everyone could play a guest track and then just mix it into their track using their finished mix as a guide. That's a new mix.


Go for it!  You gotta take a banjo chorus.



Title: Re: We Came As Strangers Mixing Competition
Post by: Cue Zephyr on June 09, 2014, 12:31:10 pm
I've always had the same idea of a remix - keeping the essential elements of the song, often including the chord progression but with a new and refreshing approach. Not saying that this is refreshing, but this is a lot like what I've done a few times in the past: http://youtu.be/_-aTlvncUsw
Title: Re: We Came As Strangers Mixing Competition
Post by: Scooter Trash on June 09, 2014, 10:06:59 pm
I likely won't enter the competition, but here's my mix:





I added some guitar parts and part of the Martin Luther King "I have a Dream" speech.
Title: Re: We Came As Strangers Mixing Competition
Post by: Endureth on June 09, 2014, 11:51:05 pm
Nice Scooter, you should enter it man, sounds good.
Title: Re: We Came As Strangers Mixing Competition
Post by: Scooter Trash on June 10, 2014, 12:01:25 am
Nice Scooter, you should enter it man, sounds good.

Thanks Endureth.. I just found out about this this morning and only spent about 3 hours on it.. but I went ahead and entered it.. 
Title: Re: We Came As Strangers Mixing Competition
Post by: Scooter Trash on June 10, 2014, 10:59:39 pm
Well everybody seems to have their own idea of what a remix is.

The song is a good song on it's own, you could do the banjo mix where the only real difference is that it has a banjo track. that's a new mix.

I'm not sure what they want or expect, I think it's anything goes, but I expect they want it recognized as the same song. IOW, not a new song with samples from their song placed in. and not a mashup of two songs.


I agree.. the "remix" thing is confusing because "remixed" songs are often actually re-produced and/or rearranged and not just remixed. But I think this contest includes all of the above.

Found this on YouTube, Justin explains what they expect:





Title: Re: We Came As Strangers Mixing Competition
Post by: Endureth on June 10, 2014, 11:32:27 pm
I believe you have full control with what you want to do with it, anything goes.  As long as the core of the song is intact.
Title: Re: We Came As Strangers Mixing Competition
Post by: Cue Zephyr on June 10, 2014, 11:40:16 pm
I agree.. the "remix" thing is confusing because "remixed" songs are often actually re-produced and/or rearranged and not just remixed.
For me personally, that's always been the definition. That might be because I started in EDM and have done remixes in that vein for years.

Found this on YouTube, Justin explains what they expect:
[video]
That's how I learned about the contest in the first place, did I miss something? :o

I have one of the concepts down right now, working on the instrumentation and arrangement. Instrumentation? Yes, I only kept the dry vocal track. I didn't even keep the chord progression the same, which caused some happy accidents.

I might be taking this a little too seriously. :P

Speaking of arrangement, does anybody else feel this song is rather 1) slow and 2) long? I say that because by now I've both shortened it and sped it up and it still seems to drag a little bit.
Title: Re: We Came As Strangers Mixing Competition
Post by: Scooter Trash on June 11, 2014, 12:17:14 am

Found this on YouTube, Justin explains what they expect:
[video]
That's how I learned about the contest in the first place, did I miss something? :o

Apparently not. But if others, like me, found out about the competition here in this thread, it may be helpful to them. It also clears up what TBAV had wondered.

Title: Re: We Came As Strangers Mixing Competition
Post by: mike42 on June 11, 2014, 01:16:54 am
Speaking of arrangement, does anybody else feel this song is rather 1) slow and 2) long? I say that because by now I've both shortened it and sped it up and it still seems to drag a little bit.

I've shortened it, but I haven't sped it up. I'm working on adding some of my own playing but it's tough getting things to fit in with all the subtleties on the existing tracks. It's my first attempt at remixing something, so we'll see how it ends up working out  :P

By the way, has a deadline for submissions been announced? All I saw when I downloaded the stems was the date they are announcing winners.
Title: Re: We Came As Strangers Mixing Competition
Post by: Cue Zephyr on June 11, 2014, 08:22:49 am

Found this on YouTube, Justin explains what they expect:
[video]
That's how I learned about the contest in the first place, did I miss something? :o
Apparently not. But if others, like me, found out about the competition here in this thread, it may be helpful to them. It also clears up what TBAV had wondered.
I see. I thought there might have been another source for a second.

Speaking of arrangement, does anybody else feel this song is rather 1) slow and 2) long? I say that because by now I've both shortened it and sped it up and it still seems to drag a little bit.
I've shortened it, but I haven't sped it up. I'm working on adding some of my own playing but it's tough getting things to fit in with all the subtleties on the existing tracks. It's my first attempt at remixing something, so we'll see how it ends up working out  :P
The subtleties in the track are actually improving my playing dynamics. ;D
Title: Re: We Came As Strangers Mixing Competition
Post by: _Avalon_ on June 11, 2014, 08:43:51 am
Is there an ending date indicated somewhere ? I must be blind because I can't find any. If there is still some time I might try something for the fun.
Title: Re: We Came As Strangers Mixing Competition
Post by: Cue Zephyr on June 11, 2014, 08:48:04 am
I suppose the closing date will be a few days before thee winners are chosen (July 18), so yeah, I'd say there's some time. ;)

Good luck!
Title: Re: We Came As Strangers Mixing Competition
Post by: _Avalon_ on June 11, 2014, 10:22:31 am
Great! I will think about what I can do. Like you said, I think the song is rather slow, so I might speed it up, maybe rocking it up a bit too.
Title: Re: We Came As Strangers Mixing Competition
Post by: TB-AV on June 11, 2014, 08:56:38 pm
sounds good Mr. Trash.....

I've gotten slammed with work and had to put mine aside. I've tossed a piano in there...

Man yours is really laid back... I didn't think that song could get much more laid back.... nice one.

I had a damn midi feed back loop causing a drop out and I didn't think I would d ever find it.
Title: Re: We Came As Strangers Mixing Competition
Post by: Scooter Trash on June 12, 2014, 12:41:56 am
sounds good Mr. Trash.....

I've gotten slammed with work and had to put mine aside. I've tossed a piano in there...

Man yours is really laid back... I didn't think that song could get much more laid back.... nice one.

I had a damn midi feed back loop causing a drop out and I didn't think I would d ever find it.

Thanks TB.

The song had kind of a dream-pop vibe to me and I didn't see any reason to change it much. I do wish I would have had the individual dry layers and not just the mixed stems though.. It's a kewl song.
I'm glad you got your drop-out issue sorted out.  :)
Title: Re: We Came As Strangers Mixing Competition
Post by: TB-AV on June 13, 2014, 05:27:41 am
I've still got a ways to go but I think I see some light at end of tunnel.

   
Title: Re: We Came As Strangers Mixing Competition
Post by: Cue Zephyr on June 17, 2014, 09:17:34 pm
TB, I'm liking those drums and the piano.

I'm second guessing my own work, but I'm gonna try to finish it nonetheless.
   
Title: Re: We Came As Strangers Mixing Competition
Post by: TB-AV on June 17, 2014, 10:19:18 pm
I like it... I think you are on right track. It goes surprisingly well with her voice.

I've had a disaster with my cars. Had to play auto mechanic all weekend. Still trying to get things sorted. I hope to get back to finishing this up. I actually wanted to try another style too but I'm not sure if I will make it or not.

Title: Re: We Came As Strangers Mixing Competition
Post by: Endureth on June 18, 2014, 05:36:53 am
That sounds AWESOME Cue!  Can I call ya Cue?
Title: Re: We Came As Strangers Mixing Competition
Post by: artonsafari on June 18, 2014, 09:54:32 pm
Second guess nothing, that sounds great CZ!
Title: Re: We Came As Strangers Mixing Competition
Post by: Endureth on June 19, 2014, 05:24:01 pm
I'm not seeing an actual cut-off date for submissions.  I see winners are announced on the 18th of July, but when is the cut-off?

We're definitely taking the power ballad route.
Title: Re: We Came As Strangers Mixing Competition
Post by: TB-AV on June 20, 2014, 06:23:12 pm
Well I called it a day....  Maybe try to do another one before deadline.




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GjQvVPLkPAY
Title: Re: We Came As Strangers Mixing Competition
Post by: Endureth on June 22, 2014, 03:45:58 pm
   

Here's where we are at with ours with Marcus and ArtonSafari on lead and rhythm duties respectively, still waiting on one more part.  We're going the power ballad route.
Title: Re: We Came As Strangers Mixing Competition
Post by: TB-AV on June 22, 2014, 04:27:03 pm
I like the sound of that rhythm guitar.
Title: Re: We Came As Strangers Mixing Competition
Post by: TB-AV on June 22, 2014, 11:10:40 pm
synth based remix





https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IPwGZvOFCNM
Title: Re: We Came As Strangers Mixing Competition
Post by: TB-AV on June 23, 2014, 06:51:35 am
If I can have until July of 2015 I think I might be able to make a piano duet remix...... of course it kinda cuts the rest of the band short.

   
https://soundcloud.com/tb-av/piano-remix-intro
Title: Re: We Came As Strangers Mixing Competition
Post by: Endureth on June 23, 2014, 07:07:41 pm
TB, there's something to be said for being able to create many different versions.  Keep em coming :)
Title: Re: We Came As Strangers Mixing Competition
Post by: artonsafari on June 23, 2014, 07:49:47 pm
I should get back to work on the one I started.
Was having too much fun sending Endureth different takes.

  :D
Title: Re: We Came As Strangers Mixing Competition
Post by: TB-AV on June 24, 2014, 07:08:48 am
Not sure how I managed to go down this path......

   
https://soundcloud.com/tb-av/crche
Title: Re: We Came As Strangers Mixing Competition
Post by: Cue Zephyr on July 02, 2014, 12:17:37 am
Thanks for the support everybody, here's my submission:


Title: Re: We Came As Strangers Mixing Competition
Post by: TB-AV on July 02, 2014, 04:35:45 am
I'm giving one more a go... little Reggae

   
Title: Re: We Came As Strangers Mixing Competition
Post by: Cue Zephyr on July 02, 2014, 04:52:20 pm
New mix.
   
Title: Re: We Came As Strangers Mixing Competition
Post by: TB-AV on July 02, 2014, 05:29:06 pm
Sounds good... Soundcloud seems to change things a bit so it's hard to say but it sounded like to me your quiet parts, the verses, needed to be a dB or two higher and the choruses needed to be a dB or two lower.... the guitar I mean. Also I think I would play through that interlude it sounds a bit sparse. Just a few notes to keep things tied together. Kinda like the ending sounds, just some nice quiet playing.

Again, maybe it's SC because I have noticed things sound level wise a bit different here then when I heard them on SC. Like I will have something that sounds like ok, that's a max here and really pushing it,,, then SC makes it sound like it's too far...

But nice laid back duet.
Title: Re: We Came As Strangers Mixing Competition
Post by: katja on July 02, 2014, 05:47:07 pm
I enjoyed both of your mixes, Cue. I really like your latest remix. You should enter with this one as well.

Did you finish all your other mixes, TB? Or did you give up on them?
Oh, it could be that your entry is a "mashup" of all of those snippets? Good one, too. I like it.
Title: Re: We Came As Strangers Mixing Competition
Post by: TB-AV on July 02, 2014, 06:19:11 pm
I think I will add the reggae mix I posted just above if I can add some more pieces to it.
It will contain none of their performance except Ellem which is not what I aim for but it would take a lot of editing to put in and I don;t think I have time. It get's the idea across though I suppose.



I also added this one
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GjQvVPLkPAY

there are some aspects of this one I like and some that still bother me. This is fairly true to their performances but I dropped some things here and there and added quite a bit .

and this one
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IPwGZvOFCNM

I actually kinda like this one and it is the most true to their performances with me added. It doesn't sound like much of me there.

I wouldn't call any of them totally 100% but I wanted to see if I could get a few going under a time constraint. So 2 mixes with them totally in there and 1 without them. I started a Piano duet posted back a page in a SC link but i doubt I'll finish that. https://soundcloud.com/tb-av/piano-remix-intro

I've actually liked all of the ones I've heard. They are really different musically. They may not be ready for the mastering house but they are pretty cool musically, which I expect is what Justin was sort of looking for. Musical variety.



Title: Re: We Came As Strangers Mixing Competition
Post by: katja on July 02, 2014, 06:44:30 pm
Yep, there are a lot of great entries. I'm just "working" through all of them.

I like your synth remix best. Just because I love synths and those sound superb. I'd love to rifle through your synth collection.
You know that Digger and I love 80s music and synthesizers as well. We had to do an 80s like remix.



I enjoyed your other mixes as well because you changed the vocal flow a bit which gives it a totally different feel.

Title: Re: We Came As Strangers Mixing Competition
Post by: TB-AV on July 02, 2014, 08:40:33 pm
That turned out really nice. Haven't heard a vocoder lately.

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I'd love to rifle through your synth collection.


I love it when you talk synthy to me, LOL!

You would have quite a time I suppose. I actually own an ARP2601 although it never gets used... and a DX7MkIIE!... also rarely used except for controller.

Absynth
Massive
FM8
A Few Mini Moog 
Ultra Analog
XILS
PSYN
DimensionII
Z3TA - around here somewhere
Reaktor - that's another whole ordeal.
Something from u-he but I forget what.
Kontakt and all it's stuff which is a sampler but same thing.

Just all manner of stuff that's in other programs as an instrument. I don't even know what I have.

The only thing I don't have that people rave about is Omnisphere and actually another Sylenth... those two are what everyone says ok, you get 1 synth... which one... most always pick Omnisphere.

If you want to hear something really interesting.....

This is Brian Clevinger - He wrote / writes Absynth.. Native Instruments bought it from him but he still writes it.  This is more of a soundtrack type deal but this is -one note-. read his description.. it's supposed to be an iceberg melting and what it might sound like inside. If you ever look at the Absynth interface you will wonder not only how did he write it but how could he plan this sound. The water sounds around the 6:00 mark are something... a lot of it also sounds like what you hear scuba diving... those pinched sounds and clicks.

https://soundcloud.com/brian-clevinger-1/dissolving-ice-tunnels

BTW... this guy is really good... really good... he will also interview people like Brian and the other synth inventors. He also shows you how to actually build a sound within any given synth and dig deeper into it. He really knows his stuff.

http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCuKxBfrjXMDZZfuP_bfSHFA
Title: Re: We Came As Strangers Mixing Competition
Post by: Cue Zephyr on July 02, 2014, 10:33:59 pm
TB,

My dynamics were thrown off because I'm used to playing acoustic instruments. Through an amplifier it's all a little different. I'll see what I can do on the interlude - cheers!

Here's a folk rock ish mix:
   
Title: Re: We Came As Strangers Mixing Competition
Post by: TB-AV on July 02, 2014, 11:26:49 pm
That sounds nice.... I like it

When I first started listening to this song it seemed very laid back and somber. ... and that's pretty much where my first mix went ... into the darker side.

But it really seems to work out better with upbeat rhythms. It all depends on how much of them you leave in. But if you just take her vocals it can be really upbeat.

I really like that one.... it's sort of Folk with an Indie flavor. It kinda reminded me of like M. Ward and Zooey Deschanel kind of thing.  Or could go down that road anyway.

I like that last one Digger and Katja did too.

If they ever want to record an entire CD of remixes of that one song they sure have enough ideas to go on. That's an easily likable song.

Title: Re: We Came As Strangers Mixing Competition
Post by: katja on July 11, 2014, 10:43:56 am
What a collection, TB! Listening to Clevinger, now. Really nice.

I wonder if you could help us out with recording steel drums for one of our songs. Do you have something like that somewhere?

Oh, and there are quite some ideas floating around for Shattered Matter. There is another synthy version. We kicked out everything except the bass and piano. We didn't nail it down, yet. I got a bit sick of playing with the song to be honest.
Title: Re: We Came As Strangers Mixing Competition
Post by: LievenDV on July 11, 2014, 11:05:33 am
I got a bit sick of playing with the song to be honest.

The reason i won't be sending something in;
I'd LIKE to but I'm afraid I'd get demotivated because I suck at it :D

So I really admire all these productions and the pateience that goes into them

Keep up the good work guys; the people in this thread are some hefty competition for the other competitors out there!!
Title: Re: We Came As Strangers Mixing Competition
Post by: TB-AV on July 11, 2014, 01:53:16 pm


I wonder if you could help us out with recording steel drums for one of our songs. Do you have something like that somewhere?



I have steel drums in Kontakt, I would be happy to run a midi file through it. Beyond that I don't know much at all about steel drums.

I don't know how they are supposed to be played. I can tell you the instrument is basically set up so you play one note but can change it's character quite a bit. Tonality and damp or ringing.

Then there is a knob that plays a chord or interval for each single note. You can pick Oct, 3rd, 4th, 5th, Maj, min, sus etc...

So I think it's programmed to sound like multiple players rather than if you actually played a chord on a keyboard.

At any rate, just email me the midi file, otherwise I'm not sure how to go about it unless you have some ideas.
Title: Re: We Came As Strangers Mixing Competition
Post by: katja on July 11, 2014, 08:39:38 pm
Awesome! Sounds as if you've got what we'd like to hear.
The basic arrangement is done. We will record all bits properly in August and September. We'll send you a demo and a midi file as soon as possible. Let's see how it goes.

Thanks!
Title: Re: We Came As Strangers Mixing Competition
Post by: TB-AV on July 11, 2014, 09:02:13 pm
I made a thread here for the steel drums.

http://justinguitarcommunity.com/index.php?topic=34995.new#new
Title: Re: We Came As Strangers Mixing Competition
Post by: Cue Zephyr on July 12, 2014, 09:04:00 pm
If I remember correctly, the closing date is in two days (July 14), in case anybody missed it. It said so in the confirmation email when I submitted my first mix.
Title: Re: We Came As Strangers Mixing Competition
Post by: TB-AV on July 13, 2014, 05:14:56 pm
Yep,,, looks like the time is upon us... I've gotten too busy with work and personal stuff...

Submitting a mini-mix.

The photos in this video, for anyone interested, were taken in western Jamaica. I do not have the book, but somewhere in Catch a Fire like maybe first page of Cpt. 15 or Cpt. 7 there is a very brief mention of Bob having a retreat on the other side of Jamaica from where he generally lived. There is a magazine on the news stands right now devoted to Bob and his life, that also mentions it. This is that retreat home.

According to the magazine a storm has since taken it away and there was a big storm that took out my friends very heavy duty gazebo built into concrete so being just up the road it makes since that this would have been destroyed. I have never seen any other pictures of his retreat and I took these.

There was a little circular area in the rocks out front that sort of formed a natural spa type resting area. Also very close by was a fresh water cave... Beyond that moving away from the sea and reasonably short walk up into the "bush" as the Jamaican's call it, would be high ground to escape a storm and also the Ganja plantings. There is no running water and electricity get's sketchy out there so it makes since he would have chosen this spot as it offers a lot when you are that far out..... it's not the easiest place to get to and all the locals 'notice your arrival' so to speak... long before you get there.  .... and it has a beach which most of this area does not.... it's typically rock and often cliffs... so to have beach and cliffs is desirable as well as a shallow cove. Everyone there is adamant to the fact that he sat out on those rocks and came up with the lyrics "rock was my pillow" "rock stone was my pillow".... this would of course also be in reasonable contrast to the "concrete jungle" he was used to. Apparently he had a girlfriend out that way as well or they would meet out there.

Now if he can forgive me for my interpretation of Jamaican music....






Kinda hard to read....
(http://i1026.photobucket.com/albums/y324/TB-AV/Marley-1.png)
Title: Re: We Came As Strangers Mixing Competition
Post by: Cue Zephyr on July 13, 2014, 10:08:54 pm
Last day tomorrow. Gonna do some last minute tracking before I send in my other two mixes. I purchased a tambourine/beatring because I've wanted one for ages and I'm gonna record it for one of the mixes. I was gonna do another mix but I never got around to actually doing it. :D

ETA:





Title: Re: We Came As Strangers Mixing Competition
Post by: TB-AV on July 15, 2014, 02:45:54 am
I like that mandolin line on the folk one.


anybody know who this is?.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GnbkIMGRb0A  --- that's quite the ordeal....

Title: Re: We Came As Strangers Mixing Competition
Post by: LievenDV on July 15, 2014, 08:49:49 am
Cue, that folk-pop mix is cool! :)

the pseudo jazz is a nice approach but it could have gone a little deeper, a bit more notes perhaps.
It has a strong "nothing else matters" feel to it but that aint a bad thing.

Good job!
Title: Re: We Came As Strangers Mixing Competition
Post by: Cue Zephyr on July 15, 2014, 12:45:17 pm
Thanks!

TB, that's a pretty cool mix. I've never seen anything close to that name on the forums here. Perhaps it's someone subscribed to the newsletter or following the website only?

Lieven, more notes as in nicer chords or some more melody going on through the interludes? I could've done the chords slightly better with voice leading and such, but I couldn't get much melody going for some reason.
Title: Re: We Came As Strangers Mixing Competition
Post by: Endureth on July 16, 2014, 01:24:30 pm
Tomorrow is it!  Good luck everyone.
Title: Re: We Came As Strangers Mixing Competition
Post by: TB-AV on July 16, 2014, 02:57:22 pm
I thought he said he was going to announce it today, glad it's him and not me that has to pick one.

You said you got a bonus point, what is that?
Title: Re: We Came As Strangers Mixing Competition
Post by: Endureth on July 16, 2014, 03:41:16 pm
A little figure Marcus played during the solo for two bars with two guitars.  I'm sure there's no actual points involved but it sounded pretty slick. 
Title: Re: We Came As Strangers Mixing Competition
Post by: LievenDV on July 17, 2014, 08:55:50 am
Thanks!
Lieven, more notes as in nicer chords or some more melody going on through the interludes?

a bit more melody would have been nice but now i'm talking details :)

so; is there a winner yet?
Title: Re: We Came As Strangers Mixing Competition
Post by: TheCasual on July 17, 2014, 11:32:35 pm
Winner announced.

http://wecameasstrangers.com/we-have-a-winner/ (http://wecameasstrangers.com/we-have-a-winner/)
Title: Re: We Came As Strangers Mixing Competition
Post by: TB-AV on July 17, 2014, 11:56:43 pm
Alright Cue, now aren't you glad you came out of retirement!


I agree with winner choice ... that was a well done mix.

Lots of interesting arrangements by everyone.  Congrats to all you HM's and to the winner.
Title: Re: We Came As Strangers Mixing Competition
Post by: LievenDV on July 18, 2014, 07:46:11 am
Congratulations guys; you didn't win but you've got mentioned! :)

Besides Cue and Chantal, are there others who were mentioned that come around here?
Title: Re: We Came As Strangers Mixing Competition
Post by: TB-AV on July 18, 2014, 01:31:21 pm
I didn't recognize any names, but with exception of few, if they didn't use their screen name I wouldn't know who they were anyway.
Title: Re: We Came As Strangers Mixing Competition
Post by: Endureth on July 18, 2014, 02:03:32 pm
Congrats to the winner.

I think his entry was the only entry that changed the progression of the song.
Title: Re: We Came As Strangers Mixing Competition
Post by: TB-AV on July 18, 2014, 04:03:36 pm
The mix sounded good too. First time I heard it, I thought ok that's the winner... didn't want to say anything though.

Title: We Came As Strangers Mixing Competition
Post by: Cue Zephyr on July 18, 2014, 05:18:30 pm
Woo-hoo! I'm a runner-up! :3

Thanks everybody, also for the support prior to submission.

Yes, I'm quite glad that I came out of retirement. I'll start putting some more time into this once again.

I changed the progression in all my mixes BTW, sone more than the other.

I did really like the chord progression that the winner used.


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Title: Re: We Came As Strangers Mixing Competition
Post by: Scooter Trash on July 18, 2014, 07:29:49 pm
Congratulations to Cue and to the Winner!