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Title: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: justinguitar on June 17, 2007, 12:09:42 pm
Question for this lesson only.

Thanks.

J

Lesson Link: http://www.justinguitar.com/en/CH-006-BasicBarres.php
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: Get-Punked-Dude on July 04, 2007, 02:53:39 pm
do u hav any ideas on hw i can get doing the bar chords propaly
fro about half a year iv been play teh major bar chord with my 1st, 2nd and 3rd fingers. and now i realise its wrong
can u tel me how to get out of the habbit and.......
hw to hold teh bar down more!
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: darkprophet on July 04, 2007, 02:59:45 pm
Im comparing the the E shaped G barre chord with an open G chord and Im finding that the open chord is more lively than the G barre chord, the barre chord seems to be "creamier" so to speak...

Is that normal? Or does my technique need adjusting?

DP :)
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: jmarc on July 04, 2007, 04:12:40 pm
Hi DP

Well am not an expert but been playing for quite a while now and for me they both seems to be same.
I don't think that the open G is livelier, at least not that I can notice.

Well anyway if am wrong please guys let me know. :wink:

Cheers

.: JM :.
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: darkprophet on July 04, 2007, 04:35:00 pm
thanks for the reply...

They dont sound tooo different, they are very similar, but the open chord seems to be livelier....Maybe Im not pressing hard enough on the higher strings, Ive always had trouble with them...

DP
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: Nolita on July 04, 2007, 08:39:14 pm
No you're right.  I don't know if livelier's the right word.  But they definitely sound different.  I think it's because with the barre chord you're pressing down on every string.  With the open chord only 3 strings.  Take it from a G major barre to a G minor barre and it sounds different still.

Like you can still tell it's a G with all 3 versions, but somehow it's different.  With the G major you've got the barred off strings(well look at the pic), then the 3 extra strings, but then in the G minor the second finger slides up(well fingers aren't used the same, but where the second finger's holding slides up and becomes part of the barre).  

Speculating at this point...Root note stays the same.  It's the 6th string 3rd fret down for all three.  That's your G.  That's the main part of what the ear hears.  I'm guessing that some ears are more sensitive than others(some folks can't hear the difference between flat and sharp, is it sensitivity?).  You have sensitive ears, and long-run that's a good thing.  You'll hear the exact chord in a song when transcribing.  Instead of hitting the ballpark(yeah it's a G but which one?), ya know?

So rejoice!  It will be easier for you to transcribe songs on the radio and songs in your head :D.
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: Nolita on July 04, 2007, 08:41:29 pm
Oh and if you weren't pressing hard enough the lighter strings would be muted.  If they're not muted you're pressing hard enough.  This is a "yay!" moment for you.  Bask in it.  Something tricky's coming next, then you can wallow in the "I'm a crappy guitar player" vibe.
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: Get-Punked-Dude on July 04, 2007, 08:42:55 pm
k hanx jst i think iv got rsi or sumting caus eiv got a sore wrist lol! oh wel my bad!
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: Nolita on July 04, 2007, 08:51:49 pm
No-no!  Don't jump to that conclusion.  A sore wrist can just be a sore wrist.  Give it a rest and if it doesn't get better, see a doctor.  I was scared my calluses were nerve damage for goodness sake.  Massage it, take a pain reliever/anti-inflammitory, and give it a chance to get better.

Then when it feels better(sending positive vibes), here's how to hold the barre down easier.  Thread got semi-threadjacked there.  Just curve your barre finger a bit and press down on the side.  If you still can't muster a decent barre chord(apparently it's normal to miss a few notes at first), don't blame yourself or your wrist.  Get the guitar to a shop or someone who knows how to adjust it.  Might be the truss rod, bridge, or both needs adjusting.  The action on a guitar can be a persnickity thing.
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: Get-Punked-Dude on July 04, 2007, 08:54:16 pm
k its jst i was whatching this thing and it syas if u play teh bar chord in teh way i think i may hav been playion it  can get this thingy
and i really dont whatn it
an di play guitar way to much
i mean i can do a minor bar chord great in teh wrong way but stil sounds right
lol
but its not really that sore its jst iritating
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: jmarc on July 04, 2007, 08:58:47 pm
Hi Nolita

I agree that maybe due to 'sensitivity' or whatever it may be, some people won't be able to tell the difference between the livelier G open chord
and the G barre chord. But a G minor chord definitely cannot sound the same as a G major chord since as their name says, one is a minor and the
other a major chord. And as far as I've noticed, minor chords tend to seem sad...

Now either am totally wrong and  didn't understand anything to chords, or I'm totally missing out or not understanding DP's question and your answer.

Cheers

.: JM :.
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: Nolita on July 04, 2007, 08:59:57 pm
Yeah I'm still here(coffee break).  Don't worry.  Just follow Justin's lessons and you'll be fine.  The old way's yesterday.  Now you know what to do, you'll get better.  As soon as you nail a few E shapes, you'll be downright giddy:).
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: Get-Punked-Dude on July 04, 2007, 09:01:21 pm
k hanx
heres my you tueb thingy
ive got some gd vids if u want 2 se ethem lol
http://uk.youtube.com/profile?user=GetPunkedDude
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: Nolita on July 04, 2007, 09:03:45 pm
jmarc, I think we're on the same page.  Cuz to me they all sound different.  All like G's but each has it's own personality.  Not sure but I think that's the point.  I mean why have 3 different chords if they all sound the same?  Wouldn't make sense to me and I'd just play all open chords.  Nope, they're definately different.  :) It's a good thing.

And sometimes we just want a lively/simple song, so all open chords + power chords, and maybe a major barre thrown in here or there.  It's all good :D.
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: Nolita on July 04, 2007, 09:28:35 pm
Will try to watch again.  Didn't know the f-x one would be so full of effects.  Ears need to recover(not meaning to be harsh, I'm just not a huge fan of effects, well, okay so I love them in the hands of Hendrix or Frusciante, but in general, ya know?).  Will try again with the others later.
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: Get-Punked-Dude on July 04, 2007, 09:30:25 pm
lol its k i jst did it on teh 1 song lol
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: justinguitar on July 05, 2007, 08:17:34 pm
DP - they will sound a little different - I think of all open chords as "jangley" they have more bright twang to them - that might be why you would choose one over the other - just cos you can play the barre chord does not mean that you always would - I often still use open chords!!

A sore wrist is often down to bad technique - but it sometimes can be just a bad wrist!!

Only you can tell. ;)

J
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: Get-Punked-Dude on July 06, 2007, 12:07:43 pm
bad technique
lol
any help on that???????
plz cause i want 2 get back 2 guitar fast! =]
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: Nolita on July 06, 2007, 07:43:38 pm
Do me a favor(btw, I like your Ziggy Stardust cover; am avoiding the word cute so as not to offend, but it is cute :P).  Okay back to the favor.  Just stand and play a 3 minute song facing the camera.  One song standing, another song sitting.  I'm sure folks will be able to spot areas where how you're holding the guitar could "improve" i.e. be more comfortable.  One thing I noticed in the vid with your friend(hope it's you on guitar, or this won't be called for).  You've got the guitar slung low.  It looks cool.  Yeah, it's that rock-star look.  But does it feel good?  When you get farther down the neck?  Doesn't it make your wrist start to smart?

If it doesn't you're lucky.  But it looks like it would hurt eventually.  It really does.  And I've seen guys with theirs even lower than yours, and it just looks painful.  Suffer for your art if you must.  But come on, hitch it up for practice at least.  :)

Ooh, just realized I sound harsh.  It's just that the guys who look like dorks, with their guitars higher up, don't complain about wrist pain.  Your shirt's untucked, so that means the strings are where?  Somewhere mid-thigh?  The top of the guitar(you know where the strap attatches?  forgot technical name) it's at your stomache(at least in the vid).  Get it up to your rib cage.  You can still look cool.  Women threw themselves at plenty of guys with their guitars hitched up a bit.  Apparently Hendrix needed a squeegie to get all the clamoring females off him.  His was at right around his ribs.  

Now if I was really motherly I'd take this time to yell at you to tuck your shirt in and drag a comb through your hair.  Get your hair out of your eyes, you have such lovely eyes, and your hair's always hanging down in them.  But I ain't motherly, so wear whatever you want however you want, and grow a beard as soon as you can.  Whatever you like :).
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: ejdg9 on July 06, 2007, 11:40:10 pm
when i play e type barre chords i can play them fairly well all over the neck of the guitar
but the first fret is beating me
i cant get the low e string to ring clearly
it is always buzzing no matter how hard i hold it

any tips on how to position my finger
or do i just have to wait for the strength to develop?
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: Nolita on July 07, 2007, 12:08:33 am
Before blaming the guitar(my first reaction is, it's the guitar's fault; but sometimes it's our own, okay maybe most times), how do you hold your first finger?  I'm a weakling.  But if I curl my first finger a bit and press down with the side I can play a barre chord even on the first fret.  Curving it seems to give a bit more strength to the finger.
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: ejdg9 on July 08, 2007, 09:43:35 pm
ive tried curling it and keeping it straight
keeping it straight but at a bit of an angle

i dont think it is the guitar
there was a lot of fret buzz but i put bigger strings on it and it pulled the neck a bit
so now the strings arent buzzing
of course the neck may snap at any time but it makes for more exciting practice sessions

ive just tried it again and it is getting a bit better
now the second and third strings are buzzing
i must just need stronger hands
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: rstrickl on July 09, 2007, 02:58:43 am
The F Chord lesson beginners...the first form you showed ...with the first two strings barred.....Is that an acceptable moveable form....example move the form up to the third fret with the first two strings barred keep the F shape does this become a G chord?  up to the 5th a A chord? It sounds close to the full barred version.
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: matt4d on August 11, 2007, 04:49:58 pm
i have a question...

how do you know when to use a barre chord when reading from tab? I mean, i know that when it says 755xxx or 'A5' i have to play an A
power chord. What will it say when it wants an A barre chord to be played?                                                                                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                   
thankyou...

ps - oh and how do i know when to use a minor or a seventh or a minor seventh barre chord? :)
pps - and i hope my little tab thing is correct  :roll:
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: justinguitar on August 14, 2007, 07:55:52 am
Quote from: "ejdg9"

i dont think it is the guitar
there was a lot of fret buzz but i put bigger strings on it and it pulled the neck a bit


the action might just be a little high so you need super strong grip to hold it down... just a guess but i think you will get there with a little more work!

J
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: justinguitar on August 14, 2007, 07:57:47 am
Quote from: "matt4d"

how do you know when to use a barre chord when reading from tab? I mean, i know that when it says 755xxx or 'A5' i have to play an A
power chord. What will it say when it wants an A barre chord to be played?                                                                                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
ps - oh and how do i know when to use a minor or a seventh or a minor seventh barre chord? :)
pps - and i hope my little tab thing is correct  :roll:


you can play barre chords whenever you like, you get to choose! it never says...

play minor when the chord is minor... experiment and see if a min 7 will sound good it it just says minor...

good luck

J
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: ejdg9 on August 27, 2007, 09:39:55 pm
Quote from: "justinguitar"
Quote from: "ejdg9"

i dont think it is the guitar
there was a lot of fret buzz but i put bigger strings on it and it pulled the neck a bit


the action might just be a little high so you need super strong grip to hold it down... just a guess but i think you will get there with a little more work!

J



thanks for replying personally there
i appreciate it

my barre chords are getting better by the way
but i have this cyst in my wrist now which is stopping me playing
you think the guitar gods are trying to tell me something?
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: justinguitar on September 02, 2007, 01:16:43 pm
The guitar gods only do good things :)

Sometimes you just have to stop a while - me too sometimes... :(

Just get back when you can and it will all come back to you quickly enough!

J
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: ejdg9 on September 03, 2007, 08:24:38 pm
Quote from: "justinguitar"
The guitar gods only do good things :)

Sometimes you just have to stop a while - me too sometimes... :(

Just get back when you can and it will all come back to you quickly enough!

J



i dunno man
i think those guitar gods are pissed at me because i dont like the stones or led zeppelin


i have been taking a good long break and i feel i am kinda ready to come back to it
that f chord wont know what hit it i can tell ya
anyway, take it easy
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: justinguitar on November 16, 2007, 05:43:37 pm
yep - not liking the stones or zeppelin is bound to enrage the guitar gods... how could you???

lol ;)

J
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: Hell_Capitan on December 17, 2007, 08:46:35 pm
I started playing on a god awful $99 Epi....then I screwed with it and made it even worse.  The "action" was through the roof.  I kept trying, and it kept buzzing, so I figured it was just the guitar.  It partially was...I bought a new guitar because I felt I had earned it, with the 1/2" thick calluses I had built up (maybe a slight exageration) and after a week or two I was playing them fine on the new guitar...still a little slow, but no buzzing.  After another week or two, I could play them on the old guitar too....it just takes time to build up those muscles.

And the guitar gods are mad at you.
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: PetefromFinland on July 26, 2008, 10:35:44 am
Oh man, this is what you get when you´re learning by yourslef.. I´ve been doing the "kink" thing like always. It seems just so natural to twist the wrist like that.. well, trying to get away from that. Doesn´t seem to be a that big change to watch it. Maby recuires bit more strength...

I´m also having the problem especially with the 1th fret with the bar finger. How do you guys keep your other fingers from going sideways too. I mean many times I go like "hey, I got it perfect!", but then notice that the other fingers, especially the secon,d are also sideways. It´s just natural that it curves sideways as the bar finger does.. weird.
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: san26v on August 02, 2008, 01:37:51 pm
even i m unable 2 get tat "kink" out of my barre...i hav been playin it tat way 4 months now...n its hard 2 change...wen i try n do it...i lose grip of de 6th string...n al of a sudden i feel i hav 4 stumpy fingers....
may b i can hold the guitar tilted such tat the left side is much higher than the right..cant imagine hw justin plays it so easily without a major tilt.....pls help...
--sant
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: PetefromFinland on August 05, 2008, 04:15:49 pm
Well, I´ve noticed I´m getting better, but the F is still the hardest one for sure, and I believe you really can´t hold your wrist all straight on that one.(not that I´d hold it completely straight on let´s say an A) I notice it´s better to do like Justin on the video, lock your grip and let your forearm be loose. (at first I tried to get the wrist straight by lifting the forearm from the shoulder. looks stupid.)

just concentrate your energy in the middle  ;) It´s cool to notice that it actually doesn´t seem to require that much strength when you´re doing it right. I remember back when I really had to squeeze my fingers so they´d go all flat on the side.. wrongly.

It´s more difficult to change fast between for example the F and open chords so that it doesn´t start to raddle. Practise, practise..
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: DaSilvaRenegade on August 09, 2008, 04:57:51 pm
guessing that im not the only one who has a muffled b string when playing string barres, how do u guys deal with it. also how is ur thumb positioned on the back of the neck

Duo
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: dick 51 on August 31, 2008, 03:43:12 pm
Hi all,

I think this question has been answered before but I am confused as to which is correct to mute or not to mute the High E string when finguring the A shaped barre chord. I have read previous posts but they do not seem to clarify what is the correct way to learn it.

In the video showing the A shape finguring the High E string is muted.

If you barre the high E string as well you get a 5th degree of the chord
as far as I can work out. To my ear it sounds OK.

Is this a voicing thing or have I missed somethng I am a beginner so please be gentle with me. Perhaps someone can clarify this for me.

Dick.

Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: justinguitar on September 08, 2008, 07:44:59 pm
guessing that im not the only one who has a muffled b string when playing string barres, how do u guys deal with it. also how is ur thumb positioned on the back of the neck

Duo

everyone has some hassle with barre chords, one note or another is not clear... it is just playing about until you figure it out i'm afraid :(

thumb position can effect it, but it is mostly down to strength = practice!

good luck



TO DICK 51 - just mute the outside two e strings when playing an a shape barre. you can do other things if you like - but just mute them is the best and most common way!

J
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: lamkoekje on October 12, 2008, 02:24:00 pm
Hi,

Ive got a question,
Sometimes when i see people play the A shape bar chords they use their pinky somewhere a fret higher.
When, where and how could you use this?

P.
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: elewis33 on October 13, 2008, 06:52:14 pm
guessing that im not the only one who has a muffled b string when playing string barres, how do u guys deal with it. also how is ur thumb positioned on the back of the neck

Duo

everyone has some hassle with barre chords, one note or another is not clear... it is just playing about until you figure it out i'm afraid :(

thumb position can effect it, but it is mostly down to strength = practice!

good luck



TO DICK 51 - just mute the outside two e strings when playing an a shape barre. you can do other things if you like - but just mute them is the best and most common way!

J

OK, I've been toying with barre chords for some time and have some seemingly insurmountable problems. First one seems to be that I have a lot of interference between strings and fingers. In other words, my fretting fingers are constantly getting in the way of adjacent strings, causing muting or buzz.

Conversely, when I get my fretting fingers in a place where the strings ring nicely my barre will break down and I'll get muting from the barre finger. I know this takes time, patience and practice, and I'm really trying to be patient, but this is getting pretty frustrating.

I actually have the most success with the full E-shaped barre, going across all 6 strings with the barre. When the barre is only supposed to be across 3, 4 or 5 strings I seem to lose more control.

For example, I've been trying to follow along with Justin's Stairway to Heaven lesson and all the barre's in the first video segment give me varying levels of problems. Especially the D/F# when you move down the neck. I'm having a really hard time finding just the right part of the index finger to use for the 3 string barre to make it all ring clean whilst holding the second and third fingers on 2 and 4. 


There must be some practice techniques out there that one can use to help build the strength *and* fine motor control required to do barre's successfully. Anyone got any suggestions? Or am I just trying to go too far too fast? Any help or encouragement to get me through this would be very much appreciated. Thanks.
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: moonlight on October 19, 2008, 04:49:02 pm
Hey Justin.  Not only have I learned a lot from you as a guitarist, I've learned from your example as a teacher (I teach English).  Your patience and pleasant demeanor make you a natural.  I'm a Blues lover, so I'm always on the lookout for new Blues vids from you.

My question has to do with the A barre chord, though.  I pulled my right hand ring finger out of joint when I was little, and it's not as flexible as it was before.  Consequently, I tend to use my fourth finger for the A barre.  Is this at all acceptable, or am I just being lazy or unwilling to do what it takes and re-break my finger to get it right?

Thanks,
ml
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: justinguitar on October 19, 2008, 06:29:43 pm
moonlight - lots of people use the 4th finger - including me sometimes. it's no problem. But 3rd has some other advantages (use the 4th for a sus chord and stuff).

elewis - that sounds like hand strength to me - just keep working it - and make sure you don't use your finger too flat - should be at an angle like shown on the vid.

lamko - sometimes the 4th goes on a sus like Dsus4 : x 5 7 7 8 x - the 8 being the little finger making the chord a sus4.

Cheers dudes, J
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: EVH Fan on October 21, 2008, 01:32:57 am
I prefer to use my 3rd finger other than my 4th because like Justin said you can use the sus chords then.

I play alot of Van Halen so i need to use the A shape and use my 4th finger for the sus chords a lot in his rhythm (intro to panama is a good example).
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: flyhead on October 21, 2008, 06:55:34 am
To anyone struggling with barre chords:
1) Check your guitar's action.
2) Try placing your thumb at or inside your barring-hand's reach, and see if that helps. You might be ineffectively applying strength at the wrong place, throwing your hand out of balance. I found that doing this allowed me to use far less perceived pressure than otherwise.
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: elewis33 on October 21, 2008, 10:22:43 pm
To anyone struggling with barre chords:
1) Check your guitar's action.
2) Try placing your thumb at or inside your barring-hand's reach, and see if that helps. You might be ineffectively applying strength at the wrong place, throwing your hand out of balance. I found that doing this allowed me to use far less perceived pressure than otherwise.

Hey flyhead,

I was just looking at my action last night wondering if that was getting in my way of progressing. I'm playing acoustic most of the time. Haven't tried barre chords on my electric for a long while. Maybe I should, to see how I do on that compared to the acoustic.

Anyway, I do have a little adjustment down on the bridge that I lowered as much as I can, without getting buzz. It seems like it might be a little easier. Should I also look into different, i.e. lighter weight, strings?

I have also tried messing around with placement of the left thumb while fretting the barre and seemed to get a little more consistency and ring out of that. So thanks for confirming that I'm looking at the right things.

Earl
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: EVH Fan on October 24, 2008, 03:16:24 am
try not to go below 12 gauge acoustic strings. as they or 13 i think sound the best. 11 may sound decent but won't give you the full tone that the 12 or 13 will.

barre chords aren't that hard to do you will probably have more trouble switching between them than getting the chords down. at least i did.

Practice makes perfect.
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: wonderfulsnow on October 27, 2008, 05:37:43 pm
I don't get it how I am supposed to play A-shaped Major barre chords. As I understand, I should put the 2-nd, 3-rd and 4-th fingers on three adjacent frets. It feels clumsy and difficult and usually sounds bad.
Are there any different ways to play these chords? Usually B, H and C#.
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: mike42 on October 27, 2008, 10:17:28 pm
Wonderful- Have you watched Justin's barre chords videos?

http://www.justinguitar.com/en/CH-006-BasicBarres.php

Try barring your third finger across those 3 strings, instead of using all 3 fingers. You can also mute the high string and it will still sound fine.
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: cazmaestro on November 03, 2008, 10:26:11 pm
Yh, i am learning the barre chords and i am stuggling to get the 2nd string to play clearly, I am pushing hard and have rolled my finger and am in the correct arm position but i cant get the 2nd string to play clearly, this is worst when i am barring the first fret where i can hardly get any notes clear except the ones that are played with other fingers. PLZ HELP.
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: flyhead on November 03, 2008, 10:52:04 pm
my guess would be that your ring finger is too far away from the fretwire; i had some bother with this too. the only cure is to repeat, repeat and repeat, concentrating on getting your fingers spread. things will resolve slowly, slowly, slowly.
  also, try to place your thumb vertically just inside your barring finger. it takes time to develop strength and technique.
 you'll get more replies on this.
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: cazmaestro on November 04, 2008, 04:55:49 pm
my guess would be that your ring finger is too far away from the fretwire; i had some bother with this too. the only cure is to repeat, repeat and repeat, concentrating on getting your fingers spread. things will resolve slowly, slowly, slowly.
  also, try to place your thumb vertically just inside your barring finger. it takes time to develop strength and technique.
 you'll get more replies on this.

I meant the 2ND STRING, you know, second smallest one.
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: san26v on November 04, 2008, 05:17:22 pm
hi justin,
      2 start wit i wud lik 2 remind u and ppl here tat i had posted on the same topic sometime ago..n happy 2 say tat i was successful at gettin my "basic"
barre chord....
n "quite effortlessly"...
persistence pays ppl...n i mean it lik hell..
n unfortunately u learn tis only after gettin ur chops rite..! ;D
..now anothr prob tat i face is pretty genuine..i now feel i m unable to get the tone of the 3rd string wen i lift of the 2nd finger 4 gettin the corres. minor chord...
so i made a slight adjustment of pushin my 1st finger a bit higher(..slightly..!!)2 get tat finger pressing the 3rd string...

now i lift of 2nd and the 4th string 4 the minor 7th...n i m in a soup...tat bit of adjustment jus doesn help now...
i feel tis is bcoz of the fleshy part between the 1st finger tip and the mid point of it....mayb mine is slightly bony in the middle tat it gives way 2 a small gap jus b4 the mid point of my finger..

justin plz help....!!!
others plz post ur views on wat cud possibly b ur soln 2 tis..
thnx in advance....!!
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: flyhead on November 04, 2008, 05:24:12 pm
my guess would be that your ring finger is too far away from the fretwire; i had some bother with this too. the only cure is to repeat, repeat and repeat, concentrating on getting your fingers spread. things will resolve slowly, slowly, slowly.
  also, try to place your thumb vertically just inside your barring finger. it takes time to develop strength and technique.
 you'll get more replies on this.

I meant the 2ND STRING, you know, second smallest one.
Apologies, it won't happen again.
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: agordon on November 04, 2008, 05:30:49 pm
Apologies, it won't happen again.
Lol. I doubt it, but at least you apologized.   :D  Flyhead, you seem to be turning the corner with this apology and your conversion to a Catholic priest.  ;D

cazmaestro: I had this same problem.  The only thing that worked for me is to use the combination of both my ring finger and pinky finger to hold down the three notes.  I also mute the bottom E string with my ring finger.  This may not be the solution for you as everyone is different.  Let us know how you come along.
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: justinguitar on November 10, 2008, 05:48:47 pm
hi justin,
      2 start wit i wud lik 2 remind u and ppl here tat i had posted on the same topic sometime ago..n happy 2 say tat i was successful at gettin my "basic"
barre chord....
n "quite effortlessly"...
persistence pays ppl...n i mean it lik hell..
n unfortunately u learn tis only after gettin ur chops rite..! ;D
..now anothr prob tat i face is pretty genuine..i now feel i m unable to get the tone of the 3rd string wen i lift of the 2nd finger 4 gettin the corres. minor chord...
so i made a slight adjustment of pushin my 1st finger a bit higher(..slightly..!!)2 get tat finger pressing the 3rd string...

now i lift of 2nd and the 4th string 4 the minor 7th...n i m in a soup...tat bit of adjustment jus doesn help now...
i feel tis is bcoz of the fleshy part between the 1st finger tip and the mid point of it....mayb mine is slightly bony in the middle tat it gives way 2 a small gap jus b4 the mid point of my finger..

justin plz help....!!!
others plz post ur views on wat cud possibly b ur soln 2 tis..
thnx in advance....!!


Hey San

Sorry dude but I don't really understand.

And I must say your grammar/spelling is awful. Do you speak English or are you from somewhere else?

If you are UK or US you need to work on that dude - not being nasty but what you wrote is crazy xx--xx!

If you are not a natural english speaker then accept my apologies!

Try again ;)

J

Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: DeadlyChicken on November 11, 2008, 12:19:00 am
I think he is having trouble playing the E minor shaped barre chords and getting the flattened third to sound out.

Its a common issue for sure, try using the side of your index finger more for the barre as the string may be sitting in  one of the knuckle joint is a solution, but its hard to say for sure without seeing your hand position.
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: san26v on November 11, 2008, 09:05:28 am
hi justin,
      2 start wit i wud lik 2 remind u and ppl here tat i had posted on the same topic sometime ago..n happy 2 say tat i was successful at gettin my "basic"
barre chord....
n "quite effortlessly"...
persistence pays ppl...n i mean it lik hell..
n unfortunately u learn tis only after gettin ur chops rite..! ;D
..now anothr prob tat i face is pretty genuine..i now feel i m unable to get the tone of the 3rd string wen i lift of the 2nd finger 4 gettin the corres. minor chord...
so i made a slight adjustment of pushin my 1st finger a bit higher(..slightly..!!)2 get tat finger pressing the 3rd string...

now i lift of 2nd and the 4th string 4 the minor 7th...n i m in a soup...tat bit of adjustment jus doesn help now...
i feel tis is bcoz of the fleshy part between the 1st finger tip and the mid point of it....mayb mine is slightly bony in the middle tat it gives way 2 a small gap jus b4 the mid point of my finger..

justin plz help....!!!
others plz post ur views on wat cud possibly b ur soln 2 tis..
thnx in advance....!!


Hey San

Sorry dude but I don't really understand.

And I must say your grammar/spelling is awful. Do you speak English or are you from somewhere else?

If you are UK or US you need to work on that dude - not being nasty but what you wrote is crazy xx--xx!

If you are not a natural english speaker then accept my apologies!

Try again ;)

J


hi justin,
i m from india.and i do speak english and have no hassles with it whatsoever,just tat i shorten my words whenever i type to save time at both the ends..my side and your side alike...
maybe tats the reason u found my spellings so ...
hope this post is clear to u at least.
and my apologies to u for having wasted your time over my shorthand
anyways..in short this is what i meant.
no matter what i do to adjust my index finger's position i m unable to get the tone of the third string when playing my minor7 'e' shaped barre
and thats bcoz of the fact that i try to adjust my first finger a bit while playing my minor barre shape(this adjustment in turn is bcoz of the fact that i dont get the tone of the 3rd string while playing my minor barre shape).
but my major position seems absolutely fine and i hav no problems with it...

-sant
plz help me.

thanks for your prompt reply.
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: san26v on November 11, 2008, 09:18:36 am
I think he is having trouble playing the E minor shaped barre chords and getting the flattened third to sound out.

Its a common issue for sure, try using the side of your index finger more for the barre as the string may be sitting in  one of the knuckle joint is a solution, but its hard to say for sure without seeing your hand position.

dude is it fine to adjust your index finger's position (push it upwards further...)when u change from ,say,fmaj to fmin???..coz if i just lift  my middle finger in order to get its corresponding minor chord( just as justin demonstrates in the video)  i feel i don get the tone of the note in the 3rd string.
now going further i gotto make another v difficult adjustment to play the corresponding min7..
thanx 4 your view dude..
hope u understood wat i wanted 2 convey here..
and that u don have a problem with my English 2 here. ;)

-sant
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: bohs on November 26, 2008, 07:31:42 pm
Hey justin
Man i tried to do everything i can to get the 1st and 2nd strings to sound in my barre chord by i cant get it consistently,sometimes i can get them to sound and sometimes i cant.....i dunno which 1st finger position is right......or is it just i'm not pressing down hard enough
can u plz help???
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: Laurence26 on November 30, 2008, 06:13:54 pm
Does someone know an easy song
that uses barré chords?
Just for practising them or so...
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: PhillD on November 30, 2008, 08:12:35 pm
Laurence - take any open chord song and just play the open chords as barres (should sound ok) but just in case you are fretting (no pun intended) about what you should play here's a couple:

All Along The Watchtower (simplified)- Am, G , F, G

Here's a nice chord progression you can try though, bit longer but just off the top of my head - should test all you have learned nicely:
|:D | Bm7 | Em | A7:| F#m7 | Bm | G. A.| Dmaj7|
Any of those chords you don't understand just sustitute for a standard chord instead of the 7th ie Dmaj7 would become D or F#m7 would become F#m.
Good luck and don't worry if it takes time, I still get a mute every now and then and been doing them 2 yrs.
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: Laurence26 on December 01, 2008, 06:58:01 pm
thanks Phill,
That helped a lot.
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: PhillD on December 01, 2008, 08:52:39 pm
No problem Lawrence and like I said it may take time. Also learn the notes on E and A string for each fret marker ie 3 = G & C (6th and 5th string), 5=A & D, 7=B & E. This will help you find your fret quicker.
Also remember you can play a barre chord on both the A and E shape, so if an E shape barre looks a long distance from the chord your playing there's usually a nice A shaped one a lot closer and easier to get to.
Have fun and good luck.
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: bear on December 11, 2008, 12:56:14 am
heyy,
im fairly new to playing guitar. i really want to be able to play the Bm barre chord for a song ["trouble," coldplay], but my hand is simply not large enough. i have tried to manuever my hand to get my fingers on both frets, but i cant do it! are there any tips you can give me, or is there a substitute chord i can use?
thanks!
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: PhillD on December 11, 2008, 08:57:11 am
This is a sparse version of Bm that you can use at a push until you learn the full version - basically its the bottom three notes of the barre chord and D string played open. Play it at the 2nd fret. It sounds ok but doesn't have the full body of a proper barre chord.

Bm easy (notes B, D & F# in the chord)

E 2
B 3
G 4
D O
A X
E X

It is quick to get to and handy if you play the easy F chord (same principle really).
As you are probably thinking about it you can play the easy B Chordusing the same principle

B easy chord (notes are B, F#, D# in B major so it fits)

E 2
B 4
G 4
D 4
A x
E x

Hope this helps you out and speeds things up for you - as soon as possible though learn the barre chords - oh and do as many finger stretch exercises as you can. Full Barre chords make life a lot easier and stop you being confined to the first couple of frets for your chords.
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: Tomps on December 22, 2008, 05:46:48 pm
I seem to have a little problem. In the 2nd video Justin told that the hand (wrist) should be kept straight. I notised that I haven't do like that so I tried it, but when I do it, I can't reach the thickest string with my 1st finger. My fingers just seem to be so short ;D. So do you think that this thing is absolutely necessary? Or does anybody have some tips to make my hand get into that position easily or does anybody have a finger growing potions? :D

-Tomps
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: mike42 on December 24, 2008, 10:55:18 pm
I'm not sure how you are positioning your hand, but you should be able to reach that string if you just play around with some different positioning. Like all things practice is the key.

But keeping your wrist fairly straight is very important. If it is bent very far you can hurt yourself, and develop things like carpal tunnel. I used to have the huge wrist bend when learning barre chords, and it hurt so bad I could hardly play for days. The thing that solved that issue for me was to keep the fretboard facing straight away from you, and avoid hunching over to try to get a view of the neck.

Hope this helps and good luck :)
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: Tomps on December 26, 2008, 05:30:20 pm
I got few pics for you to judge:

This first is how I naturally do it:
(http://img412.imageshack.us/img412/3640/kuva073qp7.jpg)

and this is how "correctly" I can do it, but I have to force my hand to this and it doesn't feel natural and it's hard to get all the strings pressed so no clear sound. I would even say that this position hurts my wrist a little bit (the first doesn't):
(http://img523.imageshack.us/img523/9974/kuva074ol6.jpg)

Now I'm asking you that is my natural position okay so I don't have to change it or should I "train" my hand to second position. I mean is my first position enough or not? I play all my "regular" chords with the first position too so is it so IMPORTANT? And doesn't the same thing go with the power chords too (with them I can't do better than first cause my fingers won't reach that far :/)?

Thanks

-Tomps
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: mike42 on December 26, 2008, 11:19:42 pm
I'm not an expert so maybe someone more experienced has a different opinion, but I think the second position looks much better than the first. If there's no pain, then I wouldn't worry about it too much, but if possible I would try bend your wrist a little less, because eventually I think you could develop some problems.

I personally play them more like the second position (it's just about impossible to have NO bend in your wrist, but as little as possible is ideal), and I think with a little practice you should be able to comfortably do them that way.

But like I said if anyone has a different opinion then please share, because I am by no means an expert on this subject.
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: san26v on January 07, 2009, 05:51:32 pm
i personally feel mike42 is rite...though i m by no means n expert . i too faced the problem tomps faced but i feel the pain in ur wrist is actually a pain the botom most part of the 'tendon' caused by excessive pressing..the 2 parts i m refering to are...
the part between the thumb and index finger(..wat justin mentions in the video) 
and
the lowermost part of the thumb (the joint at the wrist..in other words the right side of the wrist wen your palms face downward)..for which u need 2 press slightly less n use the "pulling" of the string 2 compensate 4 the muting just in case..
or mayb u jus need a couple of days rest...n warm ups b4 practice..!

-sant
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: celticbhoypaul on January 09, 2009, 04:58:23 pm
Right, I don't really understand barre chords.

Does an E shape Barre chord sound different from an A shape and so on? If so, how do you know which one to use? And why would you change between them throughout a song?  And why do people use barre chords instead of open chords when open chords are easier? Obviously unless it's a chord that can only be played as a barre chord.

Thanks.
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: Deagle on January 13, 2009, 08:58:21 pm
hey guys, just had a little question...

when using the A-shape barre, in the vid. u mute both the E-strings, now the I get why u mute the thick one...but why do u mute the thin one? ur not supposed to mute it when u play a regular open A chord are u?

I'm not sure if it allrdy has been asked, if it has, its just me being too lazy to read up...
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: borth1967 on January 14, 2009, 02:42:04 pm
hi

still having problems to get my f barre chord to ring out at speed, any suggestions but i know..........just keep doin it.

regards jon
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: Yakow16 on January 14, 2009, 06:56:13 pm
hi

still having problems to get my f barre chord to ring out at speed, any suggestions but i know..........just keep doin it.

regards jon

Yeah, just keep doing it, try to get it clear instead of doing it fast.
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: kinglaker23 on January 15, 2009, 06:46:08 pm
i know this question has probably been asked already but when playing more of a funk barre chord, using your thumb on the root ...does anybody know any good practice routines to get better at using your thumb, without causing your high e string to mute from pulling your hand up?
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: Jeanguitar on January 20, 2009, 04:58:06 am
Bar Chords (http://"http://www.totallyguitars.com/") are unique to the guitar. They provide a guitar player with the ability to play nearly any chord that can be played in the open position on other parts of the neck. Bar chords are a great way for beginning or even experienced guitar players to play new music, learn new chords, and diversify the chords that they are already familiar with.
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: PhillD on January 20, 2009, 10:15:32 pm
Thumb over method is just like anything else, practice. I found it much easier if I practiced bend technique as your thumb naturally moves up to allow you to put in a good bend.

Also use the 'easy' F shape with a thumb over to begin with and just mute with the thumb as its faster (by that I mean the one beginners use instead of full barre) and then once your used to getting there in time then start getting it perfect. That's what I did.

Don't be afraid to start slow though as practicing too fast means you take twice as long to learn something anyway!
Good luck mate and let me know if there's anyway we can help you along.
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: bradjhicks on January 21, 2009, 12:43:53 am
Hi i have a very short little finger. It barely goes past the first crease of my ring finger. this is making it quite difficult to reach the 5th string without muting the 4th string. My question is... is it possible to barre 5th & 4th string with the ring finger? I struggle to bend it in an attempt to avoid the 3rd string. Sorry if this seems a bit vague but i'm really eager to get barre chords down.

Any help would be greatly appriciated.
Brad
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: PhillD on January 21, 2009, 08:37:53 am
It is possible on E based barre chords (major and minor) but I wouldn't recommend it if you mute strings, also it will limit your ability to do later barres such as 6th chords as you won't be as flexible. I use the barre you are talking about with power chords, but not full chords. When starting out with barres its always awkward, however you will find you can stretch much further after a while.

Don't worry it will all work out it just takes a bit of time and dedication.
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: bradjhicks on January 21, 2009, 03:23:43 pm
Thanks i will continue to try the traditional way. To be honest it's not to bad untill i get to B onwards. Thats when the little finger accidently mutes notes.
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: alakran on January 28, 2009, 11:13:44 pm

on the a shape barre, is it ok if i use my 1st and pinky to barre instead of the 1st and 3rd fingers. i can really bend my pinky and avoid the 1st string and the first joint on my third finger doesn't bend at all. i'm just asking in case i need my pinky for something that i haven't learned yet. ;)
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: PhillD on January 30, 2009, 11:30:17 am
Alakran - if it works you can do it but you may be storing up problems for the future, for instance 6th chords would become harder when you get to them. Much better to do it the standard way if you can.
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: Marcz2007 on January 30, 2009, 05:55:03 pm
On Justin's video of 'Can't Stop' by Red Hot Chile Peppers, he uses a G and D barre chord and he hasn't said how to do it. Can anyone give me a link to a website which does, or could someone upload a video on it?
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: PhillD on January 31, 2009, 07:49:05 pm
Right Mark if you can do an E shape barre chord or an A shape barre chord then you can do a G and D barre (actually you can do it in two positions). If that makes no sense then take a look at the tab below (if you've never seen tab before then the numbers are the fret you should play and an x means don't play that string):

E shape barre chord of G (called E shape as uses fingers for E family of chords)
e  3
B  3
G  4
D  5
A  5
E  3
You play it by lying your first finger across all 6 strings at the 3rd fret and then with your remaining fingers make the E major chord shape. Your first finger is replacing the nut. You can now play any chord simply by moving this shape up and down the fretboard.

A shape barre chord of G
e  10
B  12
G  12
D  12
A  10
E  x
Similar system to the E shape but lay your first finger flat across only 5 strings (touch the tip to the sixth string to mute it). Then form the A major chord with your remaining fingers.

both of the above are G but in two different positions
To play can't stop play the E based G and then move then play the following A shape of D

e   5
B   7
G   7
D   7
A   5
E   x

If you want more info on barre chords go and look at Justin's video lesson, but these take time and if your starting out they will seem pretty hard. Don't worry they always are but they are some of the most useful chords you will ever learn. If you watch Justin's video he demonstates the barre chords technique.

Now to create a chord you just move the barre up the fretboard, remembering that the marker dots on your guitar can really help you along, below are what the markers are on the first 12 frets:

Position    1       3       5       7       9      12
E String    F       G       A       B      C#     E
A String    Bb     C       D       E      F#      A

Hope this helps you along and remember its hard because its worth doing - and then you'll seem even cooler to your friends when they can't do it and you can... until you teach them.
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: Marcz2007 on February 03, 2009, 02:18:30 pm
give you give me more tabs like that for d barre chord and B minor barre chords
thanks for the help
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: PhillD on February 03, 2009, 09:10:11 pm
Marc If you look at what I said about the tabs of the chords you just have to know the root notes to know where to form the chords, to make it clearer I will show you but you should be able to work it out. If that isn't clear let me know as this is fundamental for you to understand and use barre chords, without it you just learnt two chords instead of shed load.

D barre chord in 2 positions:
The E shape (root on the E string) - find D on your E string and form E major shape with barre
e  10
B  10
G  11
D  12
A  12
E  10

The A shape (root on the A string) - find D on the A string and form A major shape with barre
e  5
B  7
G  7
D  7
A  5
E  x

Now that Bm barre in 2 positions
E shape - find B on E string and form Em with a barre
e  7
B  7
G  7
D  9
A  9
E  7

A shape - find B on A string and form Am with a barre
e   2
B   3
G   4
D   4
A   2
E   x

You should be able to work out any chord on either A root or E root now just by finding the note, forming a barre with your first finger and then using the remaining fingers to form a major or minor chord (if A shape its A maj or Am shape, if its E based then do E major or Em).

Learn the notes on the neck and get those shapes I have told you and you can play any chord with a barre.
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: kelt on February 04, 2009, 07:09:41 pm
Hi everyone,

I did a bit of easy transcribing last night and found that THE KINKS, You really got me is an excellent tune to practice your barre chords, my wrist was killing after half an hour of playing.

F G F G, then G A G A then C D C D and then repeat.

I think i have pretty good technique apart from the F chord where i do start to bend my wrist a bit but from G on i keep it good, but still try this song it will soon improve you barre chords and changes and is well cool imo.
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: PhillD on February 04, 2009, 09:50:41 pm
Great shout there and a great band too, its worth looking at the 60s and 70s bands as these were the big barre chord users. 70s was the power chord age.

Another tune that can sound good with barres is a simplified All Along The Watchtower:
Am G F G is the riff, sounds close enough with a simple rhythm
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: alakran on February 09, 2009, 03:17:43 pm
Alakran - if it works you can do it but you may be storing up problems for the future, for instance 6th chords would become harder when you get to them. Much better to do it the standard way if you can.


thanks phil. i'll keep working on it.
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: ashman1 on February 11, 2009, 03:18:31 pm
help.  im new to the site and new to the guitar.  been playing about 3 months.  when im looking at some stuff and they say 'put this finger on the root then to the octave' what does this mean.  wheres a good place to learn about roots and octaves and how to decipher a chord?
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: j_dunn on February 11, 2009, 03:43:17 pm
ACk.. ok interesting problem I can do all of the Barre Chords fine on my electric no problem... On my acoustic however I cannot get the 2nd string to ring no matter how much pressure I put on it (and I put enough that my thumb starts to hurt fiercly).  What happens is the 2nd string kind of digs (not painfull or anything but if I look I can tell it is happening) into the fleshy part of the last section of the finger causing it to "mute" rather than ring as it never actually goes down onto the fret board.  No clue why the 1st string doesn't do it, especially as the first thing I checked was my action and the 2nd is closer to the fret board than the first, and it is the same all up and down the neck.

Any ideas as I have been trying to get this on my acoustic for days?  Maybe tips for losing weight in my first finger :) ? I know that brings so many lovely images to mind.
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: PhillD on February 11, 2009, 04:12:21 pm
ash - a root is the note that gives the chord its name, for all intents and purposes. In many cases it is the lowest note you will play (not always though but for now think of it as a general rule) in a chord. So for instance an A barre chord using all 6 strings must use the E string and the A note will be on that string. An octave is the repeated note within a scale, for instance an A major scale would go from A to A. A two octave scale goes from A to A across all 6 strings.

An easy way of finding a note is to learn all the notes on the bottom two strings (E and A) and then to find the notes on the next two strings you simply move two strings down and two across. So to find A on the 4th string you find A on the 6th string and move down to the 4th string then two frets towards the bridge. So A on the 4th string is on the 7th fret, as its on the 5th fret of the 6th string. Simple eh.
To find a note on the 1st and 2nd string you have to go two strings down and 3 frets across.


Here is an example of octaves in an A major scale:
   
e                                                                       4   5 (octave)
B                                                         5     7
G                                          4   6    7
D                           4   6   7(octave)   
A              4  5  7
E   5(root)   7



j_dunn - keep at it the strings on an acoustic are a lot thicker and harder to fret than those on an electric. Don't press on too hard or you will spread your fingers and deaden the strings anyway
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: j_dunn on February 11, 2009, 06:54:26 pm
Thanks Phill for the tip.. Though it is going to keep driving me nuts till I get it down :).

Also Ash another tip on deciphering chords is that all chords follow rules:

A Major chord is made up of the 1st - 3rd - 5th notes of the Key so an E Chord is made up of E (first note of the key of E) - G# (3rd note of the key of E) - B Nat. (5th note of the key of E)

The way you decipher the keys is just, well frankly memorizing them... easiest way is using circle of fifths which I didn't see on the site so I apologize if my rendition in text sucks.

          C
       F     G
    Bb         D
  Eb             A
 Ab                E
Db                   B

Ok so it's not pretty, not a circle, and I left out Gb/F#  but it is enough to get us by, especially given unless you are playing something really off the wall and complicated you probably won't be doing Db, B, or F#/Gb keys anytime soon. I just added those for the Ab.  C is all naturals, nothing sharped, nothing flatted.  Now if you start going clockwise you hit G.

 The natural major keys (GDAEB) Start on the F of the wheel and go clockwise to determine sharps.  So, the Key of G has 1 sharp, F.  Key of D has two, F and C, and so on.

Now for the key of F and the Flatted keys you start on the Bb and go counter clockwise (anti-clockwise across the pond) and do the same thing.  So the key of F has 1 flat, Bb.  The key of Bb has two, Bb and Eb, and so on.

The way this works on figuring out chords is say you want to play a D maj chord.  You know the key has 2 sharps, F and C, and that major chords are 1-3-5.  So starting out you have D as your 1, F# as the third, A as your 5th.  And if you look at the guitar strings for the open D Maj Chord you'll find you have D-A-D-F# as the structure (or A-D-A-D-F# if you play your open A string as well but technically that's an inversion).

For a minor chord you lower the third 1 semi-tone so for your D chord it would be D,F,A thus the reason you have XX0231 for the fingering of the Dmin chord (D-A-D-F).

Of course after that you get into Dom 7ths, and Suses (replace the third with another note such as a Dsus2 you would play the first string open as you remove the F# and replace it with E which is the second note of the D scale), and a whole bunch of other rules.  But learn the major/minor rules first and everything becomes easy after that.

Don't know if you wanted all this info and I hope it helps understand chords a bit better.  I know when I was doing music theory in high school and college it opened up a lot once I got those rules and the circle of fifths through my head.
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: j_dunn on February 11, 2009, 07:16:51 pm
Quick followup since I mentioned inversions above so you can see how they can effect chord sounds.  When a 3rd of a chord (remember they are 1-3-5) is the bass (or lowest) note it is considered a first inversion, when it is the 5th then it's the second inversion (such as if you play the open A string in a D-Maj chord), playing a 7th with the 7th in the bass in a third inversion, etc.  Depending on the song you generally want your first as the bass note.
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: j_dunn on February 11, 2009, 11:50:20 pm
Really I'm not trying to hog the thread, but Phill I figured out what I was doing wrong, thanks for telling me to just keep practicing.  I watched the Barre chord video about 4 times today and then sat down with my guitar and looked at how I was trying to do the Barre chord.  What turned out was happening was I was trying to keep my hand the same way I always keep it when playing normally (thumb lined up on the backside of the neck from the middle of the second and third fingers).

Soon as I noticed that I made an effort instead to line it up with the first finger (kind of like pinching my finger together) and suddenly it all came together.  Thanks for the support Phil.
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: PhillD on February 12, 2009, 11:18:47 am
j_dunn - no problem mate we all had to learn somewhere and its the nightmare that you always think your doing it completely wrong when 9 times out of 10 you are virtually there.
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: renan on February 16, 2009, 03:00:14 am
- talking about the ways you can do an A shape barre chord -

For example, you make a C with your 3rd, 4th and 5th finger making a line, and bar the 1st and 5th string with your 1st finger.

in this case you are playing the highest note, which would be and G, right?

but if you make a C chord using only the 1st and 3rd finger, you'll be barring the 1st fret, as you said in the video.

Isn't that wrong? skip a note? depends on the song?

thanks!
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: PhillD on February 16, 2009, 09:03:25 am
renan you can make an A shape version of the C chord by barring with your first finger and then individually with your 2nd, 3rd and 4th fingers the required notes or you can use a barred third finger to cover the three notes. Then the G note will be sounded which is required. I think this was what they were referring to. Just be careful not to fret the e string with your 3rd finger barre or you'll change it into a 6th chord instead which won't sound right. If you end up fretting that e string all the time try and mute it instead.
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: kinshuk4 on February 20, 2009, 08:44:34 pm
Hi justin, I have been watching your guitar lesson since few months.
You are really great teacher. I have learned a lot from you and still learning.
In your barre chords lesson you taught the style for A shape barre chords. I
am now okay with it but still some times I want to let my 1st string ring as well.......

eg. Holding D barre with A shape:
a) your way
e  x
B  7
G  7
D  7
A  5
E  x

b) but sometime it is required to play:
e  5
B  7
G  7
D  7
A  5
E  x

Sir, please help me out. It would be nice to hear from you on this. How to hold such configuration of chords.


Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: PhillD on February 22, 2009, 12:38:38 am
kinshuk4 I'm guessing you use you play your A shape major barre chords using two barred fingers. If you are catching or muting the top E string (the higher pitch E string if you're unsure) then you have to revert to fingering the A shape with your remaining fingers.

An example of the fingers used:

e  first finger barre
B  little finger
G  3rd finger
D  2nd finger
A  first finger barre
E  mute

this allows the top e string to ring out the note. It will seem tricky if you have been barring them but you need to be able to do both. Also it doesn't matter if the tab you get of the internet says play the 1st string, the note will sound pretty much spot on whether you play it or not as all the notes of the chord will be present.
Hope this helps and if you need any more explanation just post again and I'll explain as best I can.
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: kinshuk4 on February 22, 2009, 04:00:01 am
Thank you sir for helping me out.
Ya I play the A shape chord with 2 finger barre, which you show in the lesson.
Thank you once again  :)
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: TomaszJ on February 24, 2009, 10:43:25 pm
Okay, so I've got two problems.

First of all, I've started mastering my barres. After few days of hard work there are some effects (persistence pays off ;) ) but here's the catch: it's all ok when I play them sitting but I just can't play them clearly while standing (the same problem with power chords). Just like too short arms or something. Any tips?

And the second thing - the barres up the neck are becoming more and more difficult for me to play. I can barre third fret quite easily but on let's say ninth fret the B and G strings are often muted and on twelvth it's just worse. I think that with some practice I'll be able to barre them but is it normal?
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: PhillD on February 25, 2009, 08:45:49 am
Tom - its normally the other way around, barres are normally easier higher up. Problem almost certainly is your strings falling into creases in your fingers, as you move around the neck you may find you need to move you positioning ever so slightly or roll your finger slightly to prevent this. It'll all become natural though.

With the standing up thing, I think you either have the guitar slung too low or the neck too low, problem with that is it pulls you into weird positions you don't find yourself in when sitting. Don't try and emulate all the 'cool' looking low-slung punk players get it in a good position for you otherwise you'll end up with back and shoulder pain and some duff notes. Take it from one who used to play Green Day with a strat that could smack my knees!
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: Austin23 on March 01, 2009, 06:53:46 pm
Hi,
Im learning my barre chords, and i have a problem...i cant square up my other fingers, they lean over towards the first. Can anyone help me fix this? Maybe thumb placement or something...i have no idea.

Thanks,
Austin
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: zander-swan on March 13, 2009, 07:54:30 pm
ok so i can do the basic E shape with four fingers.  it sounds clear and i have every note ringing out but i can seem to get the Em shape with 3 fingers. ive tryed again and again. rolled my finger over, pressed as hard as i can and supported my first finger with my second but cant seem to get all the notes clear! it is doing my head in  :'(

any ideas reply to this or email me :)
[email protected]
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: PhillD on March 14, 2009, 12:33:52 pm
Zander sounds like the problem is on the 3rd string to me, hence when you lift off your second finger it isn't sounding, make sure your not pulling your free finger too far from the frets and check you are applying pressure along your barring finger, not the tip or other end.

Keep trying and you will get it, best thing I can suggest is start at higher frets - ie A barre is good start as plenty of room and easy fret - and start with major barre and try moving to a minor and back.
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: Bearny on March 16, 2009, 02:22:00 pm
Hi!
Im just alittle confused by something and was wondering if any of you guys can explain it to me. In the lesson with A shaped bar chords, when Justin is playing it Major, the first way is to bar with your first finger and use 2nd, 3rd and 4th finger to get the A shape one fret higher, playing all the strings except low E, that's understandable, but what I don't get is when he is showing the other shape, when you use your first finger to bar the strings and use your second finger to bar the D,G and B string and then you're supposed to mute the high e string aswell, both e strings.
Why is that? I mean, it's the same chord, why mute one string if you use the first shape and 2 strings if you use the other?
Gets me quite confused, can anyone expain this? Maybe im just stupid  :P

Thanks!
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: Kyron on March 16, 2009, 06:12:43 pm
Hi!
Im just alittle confused by something and was wondering if any of you guys can explain it to me. In the lesson with A shaped bar chords, when Justin is playing it Major, the first way is to bar with your first finger and use 2nd, 3rd and 4th finger to get the A shape one fret higher, playing all the strings except low E, that's understandable, but what I don't get is when he is showing the other shape, when you use your first finger to bar the strings and use your second finger to bar the D,G and B string and then you're supposed to mute the high e string aswell, both e strings.
Why is that? I mean, it's the same chord, why mute one string if you use the first shape and 2 strings if you use the other?
Gets me quite confused, can anyone expain this? Maybe im just stupid  :P

Thanks!

I don't think he is saying that you should mute the high e string, just that it can be very difficult to bar the B, G, and D strings, without your finger touching the high e string.
Although how easy/hard this is depends on the length of your fingers.
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: Bearny on March 17, 2009, 07:56:19 am
Holding the chord is no problem, Im just alittle confused, just to get it clarified, if im doing the A shaped bar chord with 1st finger baring all strings, muting low e and my 3rd finger is baring G,D,B, should the high e be muted or bared?
I just don't wanna get used doing it the wrong way and develop a bad habit  :)

Thanks!
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: Kyron on March 17, 2009, 04:52:20 pm
The high e should be barred by your 1st finger, and not touched by your 3rd finger.
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: Bearny on March 17, 2009, 08:32:59 pm
Okey, got it! thanks alot
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: DSX_Guitarist on April 04, 2009, 03:30:24 am
not quite sure if this is the place to ask this....but when someone does barre chords, do they also get calluses on their barre finger....to that matter, is it even supposed to feel slightly uncomfortable?
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: rendelven on April 04, 2009, 04:32:55 pm
not quite sure if this is the place to ask this....but when someone does barre chords, do they also get calluses on their barre finger....to that matter, is it even supposed to feel slightly uncomfortable?

Yes, You can develop calluses on your barre finger.

What do you mean by uncomfortable? Do you feel pain?

Barres take a lot more strength to do properly than your regular open chords. This can mean your hand and forearm might become a bit sore when first starting. It is recommended that you don't overdo it when you first start out - be sure to rest frequently and stretch your fingers/hand!
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: HUIP on April 05, 2009, 06:33:57 am
i guys i was just wondring if you can help me , coz i m having problems with knowing the root note on each chord,  how can i determine the root note  of each chord so i can know the name of it, i mean is there any rule to follow or i just have to learn the root notes by heart from your guide chords , thanks guys
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: Kyron on April 07, 2009, 01:30:09 am
The root note is the lowest note you play, so it will be the note you are fretting on the thickest string you are playing.
So for example if you are doing E shaped Barre chords, the thickest string you play is the low E string, so the root note will be the note on this string, wherever you place your Barre. So at the first fret the root note is F, and the chord would be an F, because the note on the first fret of the E string is F. likewise with 3rd fret is G, 5th fret is A, etc.

If you do A shaped Barre Chords, you dont play the Low E string, so the root note is on the A string. So 2nd fret is B, 3rd fret is C, 5th fred is D, etc.
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: Sl8sh on April 09, 2009, 01:07:05 am
I'm just posting a question.

I'm struggling with barre chords.  Right now I can only finger, I guess it's called the moveable barred E form, and my way of practicing is to hold the shape and slide it up and down the fretboard.  When I've done this I lose clarity of the chord or not all the strings can be heard.  I believe that the finger I'm using to barre is probably doing something wrong and I'm not sure what it could be.  Any advice for barre chords?  Other than they are really hard to finger.
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: Kyron on April 09, 2009, 01:39:44 am
What I did was practice putting it down at a few different places on the neck, then adjust my position untill I get a clear sound.
You do have to make slight alterations (or at least I do) when you move along the neck, but just by essentially learning the position for a few different places, it should become natural to find the right position when moving the chord.

So I reccommend just getting it right at a few places, such as the 1st fret, the 5th fret, and the 10th fret, I think that was enough for me, maybe trying a few other places on the neck might help too.

And if it still doesn't work at first don't worry, you may find that one day it just clicks and you can do it well.
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: Sl8sh on April 09, 2009, 03:23:53 am
Thank you so much!

I'll put it in my practice routine.  I'm beginning to really like the forum.
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: PhillD on April 10, 2009, 03:34:31 pm
Sl8sh a good place to start out is at the 5th fret, its nice and centralish to the neck and I always start there, then move it to 3rd fret, then 1st fret and then 9th or 10th fret. Things always seem more difficult when you are nearer the nut with barres and also when the frets get closer together (10th onwards) so don't be surprised if you struggle a bit here.
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: royp on April 10, 2009, 04:19:48 pm
I believe that the finger I'm using to barre is probably doing something wrong and I'm not sure what it could be. 

Are you using the side of your first finger nearest your thumb to make the bar? The reason I ask is that if you are practising sliding the bar up and down you may be letting your first finger go onto the palm side rather than the edge. The finger needs to be rolled over partly on to its edge every time you move it and replace it to get a good sound.

Justin explains the technique very well starting around 4 minutes into the first video on this page I link to here -

http://www.justinguitar.com/en/CH-006-BasicBarres.php

Except that he stays in one position without moving the bar. When you move the bar you need to put that roll on the finger again as you press down at the new position.

It is difficult to explain, but using the flat of the finger is the most common mistake I see people make with barres.

You don't need to use the edge exactly, it is just rolled over towards the edge. Easy enough to show someone, but difficult to put into words. I have seen at least one other video where Justin demonstrates it.

I also practice moving the bar up and down as part of my routine, it builds strength as well as accuracy. Getting it right will become natural with practice, as long as you start with the right method.

I also find that it is easier to start with the bar at the 5th fret. Justin is demonstrating it at the 1st fret, which can be more difficult to start with, as are the higher frets, as PhillD wrote. If your guitar action is a bit high at the nut then the 1st fret bar is a struggle, and with the higher frets I find there seems not to be enough room for my fingers between the frets unless I get it just right.
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: Sl8sh on April 11, 2009, 02:26:17 am
I gave it a shot and found out that I was pressing all the strings with my barred finger.   ;D hehehehehehehe.....thanks for helping me catch myself.  Also thanks for providing better practicing strategies. 
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: brunel on April 13, 2009, 01:25:33 am
Help! I have been playing guitar for about 2 years, and whenever I play barre chords or even power chords, it really hurts my hand. In particular, the arm and wrist part. The problem isnt helped by the fact I have small hands. It means when Im playing through a song with mainly barre chords, I have to stop and have a rest for a minute! I have watched Justin's videos on barre chords, and I still cant work out how to straighten my wrist whilst still holding the chord. Can anyone help? Its getting very annoying as I have composed a few of my own songs which use these chords, and its painful to play them.

Thanks
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: Sl8sh on April 13, 2009, 03:03:40 am
Hmm....are you playing sitting up or sitting down?  That could be.  Other than that I would just say practice and perserverance would be the key.  And everyone has there own speed of learning barred chords.  Some catch one quick and others it takes longer.  Also check to make sure that your not applying alot of pressure to just hold the strings down.  There could be alot of things. 

Sorry if I'm not that helpful.   :)
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: aging_bimbo on April 13, 2009, 05:42:13 am
You do have to build up the hand strength for barre chords - it's taken me forever to get the hang of them. To get your wrist a bit straighter you could try bringing your elbow in a bit closer to your body - and try not to rotate the neck towards you in order to see the fretboard. I also found it was a lot easier to play barre chords standing up. If you have pain, you need to give it a rest and fix whatever posture issues are causing it, you don't want to give yourself tendonitis.
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: Sl8sh on April 13, 2009, 06:08:29 am
Aging Bimbo is right.  Give it time.  Also, someone gave me this trick, take the finger you're using to barre the chord with and practice holding down the strings that your other fingers are not holding down.  Also make sure your barring finger is sort of on its edge vs. straight.  It'll make things easier with time and effort. 
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: brunel on April 13, 2009, 07:06:59 pm
Thanks for the help. What is the best way to build up hand strength? I read somewhere you can squeeze a tennis ball. Are there any other good ways/devices?
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: Sl8sh on April 14, 2009, 01:27:50 am
Hand strength....I think you might be thinking of dexterity.  Go to the technique page of this website.  Jusin has some excercises there that will help you over time gain strength in your hand. 

That's the best advice I have for now.   :)
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: Ntmanning on May 20, 2009, 09:41:34 pm
I'm having trouble right now with the barre chords. I can form the shape and even play them fine when doing a downstroke. I need to improve my speed, but that just takes more time. I have been working on these for about 3 weeks. What I can't seem to do is get the 2nd string to ring out clearly on my upstroke! Downstroke is fine, upstroke is no go. My thoughts are that its just a part of my finger where there is already a crease in the skin or something and when I upstroke it isn't correctly fretted or something.

I try holding it harder and rolling my finger towards the nut some more. I get some luck sometimes if I really roll my finger and get a couple good upstrokes. I try moving my finger further up, but then I end up with problems on the 3rd string and the 1st string. And I can't move it down very much because of the 6th string. Any suggestions? I have been playing for about 2 weeks with this specific problem holding me back.

Thanks
Tyler
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: Sl8sh on May 21, 2009, 01:28:58 am
Let me say this again....it will take practice and time.  Your upstroke should sound equal to your downstroke.  Check to make sure you are pressing down the correct strings with whatever barred shape you are using and check to make sure one of your finger's isn't muting a neighboring string.  Barred chords can be hard.  It took me three months before I could even slide the E barred shape up and down the fretboard.  I still can't exactly use it in a chord progression right now but I know I'm close to being able to. 

Try the above suggestions and see what happens.  If you're just holding the shape you shouldn't have a problem.  If it isn't your fretting hand, check to make sure your pick is hitting all the strings when you do down or upstrokes.  There could be alot of reasons as to why your second string might not be ringing out the way it should. 
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: DanneJ on June 19, 2009, 12:43:06 am
I find it really hard to play barre chords cause i got really small fingers so i find it hard to play it. And the on some chords with big i accidently mutes some open strings when like the first string very often.
Is there any exersice or something i can do to can train my fingers so i can play the barre chords and easy play chords without accidenlty muting lower strings.

Thanks
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: close2u on June 19, 2009, 05:13:54 am
its just strength and muscle memory so work them muscles
 :)
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: Sl8sh on June 19, 2009, 09:46:32 pm
I agree.   8)
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: jimmie123 on July 01, 2009, 07:59:39 pm
I´ve got a problem. When I play  A barré chords my third finger is flat, like it shouldn´t be and I can´t get a better angle, I can´t bend my finger as you do, it´s impossible, I will break my finger if I try to get it pressing down with a better angle. I find it very hard too play the A chords. Should I still try to use your method and just keep traning despite my strange finger or should I play the chords with fingers 1,2,3 and 4?
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: Sl8sh on July 01, 2009, 10:45:05 pm
Unless you're fingers are a genetic mutation to science that allows you to barre with finger 1, and stretch to hold three strings down against the fretboard with your other three fingers, then try it if you know you won't hurt yourself.  I too struggle with the A shape.  I almost have but not yet.  Keep trying to flatten you're 3rd finger to get the A shape.  It is hard but perserverance is the key here...with patience. 
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: close2u on July 02, 2009, 06:43:40 am
I´ve got a problem. When I play  A barré chords my third finger is flat, like it shouldn´t be and I can´t get a better angle, I can´t bend my finger as you do, it´s impossible, I will break my finger if I try to get it pressing down with a better angle. I find it very hard too play the A chords. Should I still try to use your method and just keep traning despite my strange finger or should I play the chords with fingers 1,2,3 and 4?

try finger 3 with finger 4 for strength and to anchor on the b string
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: jimmie123 on July 02, 2009, 01:38:48 pm
thanks a lot guys!
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: lucifer on July 06, 2009, 07:08:59 pm
Hi
i can play the e shape chords comfortably but wen i started wid the a shape chords, the base of my 3rd finger started paining pretty badly (almost as soon as i started with it..!).. n i cudnt even get the chord right :(

so is it with my technique or pratice is the key?

thnx in advance.. ;)

Ak
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: PhillD on July 07, 2009, 08:57:48 am
If its hurting stop right now as something is wrong!
Try just moving between an E based major shape and A based minor shape (essentially the same) and make sure you are comfy.
Once you are comfy in playing these try playing a double barred A shape (barre with your first and third fingers) and try and get this comfy (don't play the high E string as it will sound wrong if you barre it - making a major 6th).

Then try and introduce the A shape using all your fingers once you are used to the strains of barre chords.
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: lucifer on July 11, 2009, 11:32:15 pm
thnx for d reply..
but doesnt justin say in his video that a shape barre chords should be played usin 1st n 3rd finger only? as in the double barred shape you have suggested... coz i can play the a shape with all fingers but not the double barred one..

it is while playing the double barred version that the pain develops...

Ak
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: MrDurp on July 14, 2009, 11:26:48 am
sorry for any ignorance, but do people have any suggestions on songs to help teach bar chords? something extremely simple. Please don't suggest jack johson, im not that advanced, just some basic songs to help me get further with it all.
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: Tourniquet on July 14, 2009, 12:27:17 pm
sorry for any ignorance, but do people have any suggestions on songs to help teach bar chords? something extremely simple. Please don't suggest jack johson, im not that advanced, just some basic songs to help me get further with it all.

http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/tabs/d/david_bowie/space_oddity_ver2_crd.htm
Use a full barre for the F so you can change to the minor easily... it's a good endurance workout.
There's also a BbM7 tucked in there which is a nice A shape variant

http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/tabs/n/norah_jones/dont_know_why_ver3_crd.htm
E shape and A shape here, plenty of rest time with open chords

http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/tabs/e/eric_clapton/change_the_world_crd.htm
Chorus is a barre chord feast, good practice for chord changes. Good introduction to C shape barre too (at "Baby if I could" it shifts to E/G#. C shape sounds best and lets you hit that bass note with your barre finger)
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: iceman on July 28, 2009, 10:03:10 pm
Actually, I have this small problem with barre chords. I can get them right but while changing from an open chord to a barre chord (in songs like Hotel California, Viva la Vida, etc.), I'm having loads of problems. It kinda breaks the whole strumming pattern while I try to "fit" my fingers to get the "ideal" barre chord.

Moreover, I usually keep the middle of the thumb in the extreme upper half of the neck while playing open chords (something like this: http://www.motherslovesong.com/guitar%20hand.jpg and this: http://illicitlydope.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/guitar-hand.jpg)  but again in the barre chord, the thumb needs to be in the middle of the neck, so that again takes time while changing chords. So, should I try to keep the thumb in the middle of the guitar during open chords too or is it fine?

Also, while playing the barre 5th string root and 6th string root, I usually don't change my barre position. I try just not to play the 6th string. Is that ok? (Coz songs like Hotel California had Bm and then a F#, no time to change barres. :( )
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: stranger_x_ on August 02, 2009, 01:09:59 pm
hey, i'm sorry but my englisch is not so verry well,

i've got problems with my barre chords , im trying know for weeks
on the 'f' chord , but it just don't sound right. Im desperate  ???
cuz the 'f' cord is almost in every song.

have you some hints for me ? thx
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: PhillD on August 02, 2009, 07:57:58 pm
Hi Stranger, could you be more specific, what exactly sounds wrong?
Have you tried playing each string individually to check which is not sounding right - you probably have a muted or partially muted string and that is making the F chord sound wrong.
If so look at where you are applying your pressure - if you are squeezing with all your might you will probably end up making the situation worse so look at how much pressure you put on and make sure it doesn't hurt a lot.

Also check other fingers are not muting the strings above or below, another common problem.

Don't be too concerned though the F chord is probably one of the hardest barre chords as its so close to the knut and therefore requires the most pressure and accuracy to play. Try playing the same shape at the A position and move down to G, then to F# and finally to F. As your strength and hand adjust over time its natural you should struggle at first.

For those songs with F in use the 'easy F' version which Justin teaches, using only the high strings.

It might also be worth taking your guitar to a professional guitar shop and having it setup, if the action is too high (roughly height of string from fretboard) for your guitar type it may make life harder.
Hope this helped and you will get there eventually.
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: slackeryin on August 06, 2009, 03:45:07 am
Actually, I have this small problem with barre chords. I can get them right but while changing from an open chord to a barre chord (in songs like Hotel California, Viva la Vida, etc.), I'm having loads of problems. It kinda breaks the whole strumming pattern while I try to "fit" my fingers to get the "ideal" barre chord.

Moreover, I usually keep the middle of the thumb in the extreme upper half of the neck while playing open chords (something like this: http://www.motherslovesong.com/guitar%20hand.jpg and this: http://illicitlydope.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/guitar-hand.jpg)  but again in the barre chord, the thumb needs to be in the middle of the neck, so that again takes time while changing chords. So, should I try to keep the thumb in the middle of the guitar during open chords too or is it fine?

Also, while playing the barre 5th string root and 6th string root, I usually don't change my barre position. I try just not to play the 6th string. Is that ok? (Coz songs like Hotel California had Bm and then a F#, no time to change barres. :( )



hey iceman, i also keep the middle of the thumb in the extreme upper half of the neck while playing open chords. i feels no problem the chage between barre chords in principal, it only take some time to tackle it and i almost over come this deal
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: Steyr on August 06, 2009, 12:28:16 pm
Why is is it necessary to roll you barre finger in a angle? I really struggle with my barre chords, when I play them on my electric guitar I have no problems, but when i'm practicing an E-shaped barre chord on my acoustic guitar, I can't even play a B-chord without muting my b-string when I roll my finger, but when put my finger flat on the strings I can go all the way down to a G-chord, without muting any of the strings.
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: Bootstrap on August 06, 2009, 12:50:46 pm
Styer the only thing necessary is to make all the strings sound - whatever works for you is good - but if you can't do it one way then try another.
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: scubasteve on August 10, 2009, 11:02:28 pm
Hi Guys!

New on here, and I have also been struggling for a while with the barre chords...
basically, I can get 5/6 strings to ring.. The second string is the one im struggling with. It is the same be it on the 1st fret or the 7th fret...

Ive tried curving the finger but then find that I mute the 6th string, as im pushing down on the base of my finger.. As soon as i push down on the 6th string, the finger lifts and the second string mutes...
Any ideas on that? - including exercises?
Also, im using my thumb in the middle of the neck, but hurts like hell if i practice barre chords for about 5 min... So i dont know if im pushing to hard as i have the technique wrong (although following the vids), or just bad muscles...

Anyways, thanks in advance for advice!
Steve
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: phillid1 on August 11, 2009, 04:37:11 pm
Can you provide any tricks or ideas for learning the chord transition from A-E I have been practicing for a few days and I almost have it but its now difficult to transition between chords I still have to look at my fingers to do it or will this just come with practice?
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: T0nyL on August 14, 2009, 06:39:11 pm
Just like everybody else I'm finding the 'official' A-shape barre difficult, especially changing from/to it. I find it much easier to use my 2nd 3rd 4th fingers to hold down the DGB strings..even the top E sounds out fine...and it just feels so much more natural for me, with A-E easier as well.

Question...should I stick with what works for me...or is this going to be a bad habit I will have to unlearn later ?
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: close2u on August 14, 2009, 07:25:41 pm
you can use this fine no probs for now

later you will want the barre shape versions to play add-on notes eg rock n roll 12 bar rhythms etc
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: Vay on August 31, 2009, 06:50:06 pm
hi, i have trouble with the theory of the movable bar chords...
i have the book modern method for guitar by william leavitts and it tells me that movable chords up and down the fretboard. (if you have the book it is on page 45)

and the chord form for Gm is x55333, i still don't get why it is placed there (is it because of 3rd fret G?), what determines where it is placed?

so if i want to play G major, i can use the F major bar chord and move the F on the high E string to G with the rest of teh chord form than i get G major? So what determines the chord name will always be on the bottom E string?

but than what about B flat chord which is x1333x now the 5th string determines its name.

and what about G diminished 7? which plays x1324(6th string not played).where is the G here???(sorry fo irrelevant chord question but the bar chords above still counts right?)

so basically i need help on chord placement...
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: close2u on August 31, 2009, 07:04:54 pm
and the chord form for Gm is x55333, i still don't get why it is placed there (is it because of 3rd fret G?), what determines where it is placed?

should read
355333
play all 6 strings
G note in the bass at fret 3 ... yes ... it is an E minor chord [ o22ooo ] moved up 3 frets

so if i want to play G major, i can use the F major bar chord and move the F on the high E string to G with the rest of teh chord form than i get G major?
yes ... and A major is on fret 5 and B major is on fret 7 etc

So what determines the chord name will always be on the bottom E string?

no

think about your open chords .. some have only 5 or 4 strings ... but the bass note is the root note of the chord on string 5 or 4 for those chords

but than what about B flat chord which is x1333x now the 5th string determines its name.
it is an A major shape moved up just 1 fret ...
should read x13331 but the books author is giving a simpler version with no note played on the top e string

and what about G diminished 7? which plays x1324(6th string not played).where is the G here???

if you are still coming to terms with major and minor then totally forget about dinished for now - they're strange little beasts

 :)
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: Vay on August 31, 2009, 07:28:55 pm
last last question!
i though the major shape is 133211 for an f major why does A minor, 02210 shaped like a moved major chord?

and like you said x13331 is an A major shape so this is also a movable major shape?






and the chord form for Gm is x55333, i still don't get why it is placed there (is it because of 3rd fret G?), what determines where it is placed?

should read
355333
play all 6 strings
G note in the bass at fret 3 ... yes ... it is an E minor chord [ o22ooo ] moved up 3 frets

so if i want to play G major, i can use the F major bar chord and move the F on the high E string to G with the rest of teh chord form than i get G major?
yes ... and A major is on fret 5 and B major is on fret 7 etc

So what determines the chord name will always be on the bottom E string?

no

think about your open chords .. some have only 5 or 4 strings ... but the bass note is the root note of the chord on string 5 or 4 for those chords

but than what about B flat chord which is x1333x now the 5th string determines its name.
it is an A major shape moved up just 1 fret ...
should read x13331 but the books author is giving a simpler version with no note played on the top e string

and what about G diminished 7? which plays x1324(6th string not played).where is the G here???

if you are still coming to terms with major and minor then totally forget about dinished for now - they're strange little beasts

 :)
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: close2u on August 31, 2009, 08:55:20 pm
last last question!
i though the major shape is 133211 for an f major why does A minor, 02210 shaped like a moved major chord?

and like you said x13331 is an A major shape so this is also a movable major shape?


it is to so with the way the strings are tuned relative to each other

you know when you tune by fretting at 5 on e, 5 on A, 5 on D then 4 on G then 5 on B to get the note of the open string below

well,

that means the G and B strings do not follow the same relative pattern

so thinking of open chords

Open E has o332oo
open A has xo222o

E has a staggered fingering
A has an in-a-line fingering

to make a minor chord you take just one of the 3 notes (3 notes by name ... their may be octave repeats of the same note in a chord) that make a major chord and lower it by one fret ( a semitone)

so E major o332oo become E minor 022000
A major x02220 becomes A minor x02210

can you see that one note has been shifted down one fret in each of these two examples

so ...
the E major shape becomes the F major barre chord shape which is movable up the neck - this shape has its root on the bottom E

the A major shape becomes the Bb barre chord shape movable up the neck - this shape has its root on the A string

it is not the shape per se that makes the chord ... the same shape on different strings can make a different type of chord ...


so that staggered pattern of E major, when played with root on the A string is a minor chord instead
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: Vay on September 02, 2009, 02:07:10 am
i did not find a suitable topic from the this section of the forum for this question but it still deals with chords so:

what is a chord progression (i am a total newb spent most of my time reading music and playing songs that i totally missed the theories) and a pentatonic scale???

from a link on this website i saw that a c major chord progression has:
I, vi, IV, and V and the chords are C, Am, F and G.

and also how can some songs be played with other chords(i read somewhere on this forum that you can play with different progressions for a song)?

also why does this person play D minor 7th as x00211, with open A string? And why do we mute strings even though it is not a part of the chord, or is it?
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: Zapped on September 02, 2009, 03:24:30 pm
what is a chord progression (i am a total newb spent most of my time reading music and playing songs that i totally missed the theories)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chord_progression

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and a pentatonic scale???

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pentatonic_scale

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from a link on this website i saw that a c major chord progression has:
I, vi, IV, and V and the chords are C, Am, F and G.

That's just one example of a chord progression in C major. A "c major chord progression" could be any sequence of chords that are constructed from the notes of the C major scale.

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and also how can some songs be played with other chords(i read somewhere on this forum that you can play with different progressions for a song)?

I'm not sure what you mean. Maybe you've read that a song might normally use a given progression, but that chord substitutions can be made which also sound good. That's true. But what's the question you have?

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also why does this person play D minor 7th as x00211, with open A string? And why do we mute strings even though it is not a part of the chord, or is it?

A Dm7 chord needs to have the notes D F A C. They're not required to be in any order, so x00211 makes use of A D A C F (from low to high). There's nothing wrong with that.
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: Vay on September 02, 2009, 09:01:49 pm

A Dm7 chord needs to have the notes D F A C. They're not required to be in any order, so x00211 makes use of A D A C F (from low to high). There's nothing wrong with that.

so the root note is on the 4th string? i thought it was suppose to be the lowest string. So if i were to write x00211 as 100211 (although you might bee a big hand) it would still be a D major 7th chord?
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: irishalkies on September 02, 2009, 09:52:41 pm

A Dm7 chord needs to have the notes D F A C. They're not required to be in any order, so x00211 makes use of A D A C F (from low to high). There's nothing wrong with that.

so the root note is on the 4th string? i thought it was suppose to be the lowest string. So if i were to write x00211 as 100211 (although you might bee a big hand) it would still be a D major 7th chord?

Yes, it would, but if written x00211, it would become a slash chord as far as i know.It would be written Dm7/A.Thus A is the root note, while the chord is a Dm7.
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: Zapped on September 03, 2009, 04:34:49 pm
Yes, it would, but if written x00211, it would become a slash chord as far as i know.It would be written Dm7/A.Thus A is the root note, while the chord is a Dm7.

Irish is right that a Dm7 with an A in the bass could be written as a Dm7/A if a composer/arranger wanted to be specific, but even the notes C D F A (ordered low to high) is still a Dm7. The generic chord notation Dm7 encompasses all the note orderings.

Similarly, if a Dm chord is written over a section of music but you see the note E emphasized in a melody, the composer isn't *wrong* because he wrote Dm instead of Dm9 - he's just being a little vague.
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: Sl8sh on September 11, 2009, 03:19:20 am
Okay, now I'm lost.  If one person had issues with teaching themselves from William Leavitts book then I may reconsider trying to purchase a copy.  More info on chords than I thought was possible. 
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: docal97 on September 21, 2009, 04:15:01 am
ACk.. ok interesting problem I can do all of the Barre Chords fine on my electric no problem... On my acoustic however I cannot get the 2nd string to ring no matter how much pressure I put on it (and I put enough that my thumb starts to hurt fiercly).  What happens is the 2nd string kind of digs (not painfull or anything but if I look I can tell it is happening) into the fleshy part of the last section of the finger causing it to "mute" rather than ring as it never actually goes down onto the fret board.  No clue why the 1st string doesn't do it, especially as the first thing I checked was my action and the 2nd is closer to the fret board than the first, and it is the same all up and down the neck.

Any ideas as I have been trying to get this on my acoustic for days?

I have the exact same issue.  I can play the Barre Chords on electric fairly well, but I also struggle with playing them on my acoustic.  Also, I have just had my acoustic professionally 'set up' at my local guitar shot, so the action is ok.

In the videos, it appears as if Justin is playing the Barre Chords so effortlessly, and I have been putting so much pressure on the fret with my 1st finger, and also with my Thumb, and getting sub-optimal results.

I know everyone just says 'practice' and it will eventually come, which I am sure that it will, but I wish Justin could comment on a particular exercise that could make the process a bit easier.  He always seems to have such great training exercises!  Is there one in particular for Barre Chords?
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: Cue Zephyr on September 21, 2009, 05:48:37 pm
Don't forget to rotate your 1st finger a bit, the 'sides' are a bit less fleshy than the side you grab stuff with.
I also noticed that my B string sometimes wouldn't ring out, but my 1st would.
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: Sl8sh on September 21, 2009, 11:54:22 pm
*groaning in pain from head*  Too.......much..........theory.........uggggghhhhhh..........(pass out on floor). 
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: Cue Zephyr on September 22, 2009, 12:25:58 am
Seems like I'm getting better results with a completely flattened index finger instead of having it angled into the strings (the rolling it on it's side thing).
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: foxman95 on September 22, 2009, 01:44:37 am
hi every body

first I would like to thank our master justin for every lesson he provides us .

second

I want to know how to change capo open chords with real bar chords without using the capo

to understand me more

see this video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OrTKgrOE0rM&feature=channel_page

waiting for your help .
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: Sl8sh on September 22, 2009, 06:40:15 am
Music sounds pretty to me. 

Uhh......

The shapes that I saw (and I'm presenting them in no particular order) were a open D5 shape, Dm, G, Am (I think on that one) and then he does some really far spread open voiced chords. 

Those shapes are moveable and can be barred however, if you are intent on playing that song or if you have the capo as far up as that song, you may have some difficulties.

The capo, to me, adds a fuller sound. 

Just remember that wherever the capo is relative to where the chord shapes are, your barring finger is barring where the capo would be.  So, in the vid, did you see how far away the G shaped chord was from the capo?

Unless for genetic reasons you have long fingers and can barre that chord, I'd say try it.  That's one shape I can't barre yet.

I'm not very knowledgeable on the subject, but see if that makes some more sense to you.   
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: TNT123 on September 29, 2009, 02:21:41 pm
I just want to ask a simple question but am strugling to know how. How?

But my Q is:
In a video i saw you said you gave advice else where with open & bar chords using the thumb over the top of the base strings. Whereis this?
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: Jim Blow on September 29, 2009, 04:55:03 pm
Hi there,

I know this problem has been mentioned several times already...I cannot bend back the first joints of my fingers.
Now my question is, does anybody know if the flexibility can be increased at all?
Somewhere else I read that a guitar teacher suggested pushing your finger tip hard against the fretboard over and over again until the joint will ultimately be able to bend back a little more. Now I wonder whether I should try this or if I'll just end up with ruined fingers...?  ???

Sorry if this question has already been answered, couldn't find it anywhere.
Thanks a lot in advance!
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: Cue Zephyr on September 29, 2009, 05:25:46 pm
I'd say it's like exercises, don't do too much, just a bit is always ok.
But I'm not terribly sure how it works with fingers, since I can stretch my fingers until they arch backwards.
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: Sl8sh on September 30, 2009, 02:31:29 am
TNT123:

It would be called a slash chord where a different note from the existing chord is in the bass, or bottom, of the chord.  Try looking in the Chords section of the website or in the Begginner's Course of the website and see if you find it there. 

Jim Blow:

What do you mean by "bend back"?  I think I have an answer but I need to know what you mean by that. 
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: Jim Blow on September 30, 2009, 05:18:12 pm
sl8sh:

sorry, I'm German, so it's a little difficult for me to explain what I mean exactly. :)
When you play an A-shape barre chord using your 3rd finger for strings 2, 3 and 4 you normally would bend the first joint of your finger a little backwards (espescially when you don't want to mute the high e string).
This "bending backwards" of the 3rd finger that i'm trying to explain is even more important for playing 9th chords, like the guy in this video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?gl=CA&hl=en&v=Ie9NoOtLTdE

The problem is, I really can't do that AT ALL with any of my fingers apart from the pinky. I can only get my fingers straight. I'd really lke to improve that but am afraid it'll only make matters worse if try.

Hope it's clearer now. :) Any help would be great!
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: Sl8sh on September 30, 2009, 10:49:41 pm
Jim Blow:

I think I now have a clearer picture of what you mean.  Don't hurt yourself is really the key.  Also practice.  You are welcome to try the method in your previous post.  The way I tend to go about barre chords is to simply hold the shape and then strum the strings to make sure that all the notes in the chord can be heard.  I do this several times but only for 3 or 5 minutes so I don't injure myself. 

Does this help in a small way?

There may be other ways of fixing your problem that I am unaware of. 
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: TNT123 on October 06, 2009, 12:30:33 pm
TNT123:

It would be called a slash chord where a different note from the existing chord is in the bass, or bottom, of the chord.  Try looking in the Chords section of the website or in the Begginner's Course of the website and see if you find it there. 

Jim Blow:

No. thats not really what i mean.
Using the thumb to play the base string(s) of standard chords. eg Playing chord Fmaj - (E shape "bar" chord at the 1st position). Use of thumb to play the root note (6th string 1st fret) instead of the index fingre in a full bar (the index fingre only frets the 1st & 2nd string at the 1st fret).
Justin in a video said he gave advice on this technique, but i cant find it
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: routerbooter on October 06, 2009, 01:24:53 pm
Sl8sh's method is also what I use.  You can get that joint to bend more with practice, just don't spend more than a few minutes at a time without taking a break for a few minutes.
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: Sl8sh on October 06, 2009, 08:51:58 pm
And like Justin says in one of his Videos "If it hurts stop and take a break" or something to that extent.  Try it and see how it goes. 
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: fat fingers on October 09, 2009, 11:58:51 pm
Hi all, question from a beginner.  Is there any reason to use the first three fingers in forming the basic open chords?  It seems to me that if one is going to progress the open forms to the barre forms that practicing the open forms with the 2nd 3rd and 4th fingers would lead to better habits from the getgo. Am i incorrect?   If so please explain why if you could as I cannot seem to find the answers in my books  Thanks :P
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: Sl8sh on October 10, 2009, 04:09:18 am
Your thinking applies to all the barre chords except the A shaped barre chord.  That's the one barre chord in which you have to use your barring finger and then another finger in a barre fashion to form the A shape beneath the barring finger.  It's hard to explain in words but hopefully you understand. 
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: irishalkies on October 11, 2009, 04:05:00 am
Hi all, question from a beginner.  Is there any reason to use the first three fingers in forming the basic open chords?  It seems to me that if one is going to progress the open forms to the barre forms that practicing the open forms with the 2nd 3rd and 4th fingers would lead to better habits from the getgo. Am i incorrect?   If so please explain why if you could as I cannot seem to find the answers in my books  Thanks :P

You should practice both, because what fingers you use for a chord depends on what chord you're going to next.For example - If you fingered a G chord with fingers 2, 3, and 4, then it's a bit easier to get to a C chord and vice versa.Always look for pivot fingers toward the next chord you're going to play. Example - hold a Dminor fingers 1, 2, and 3. Second finger is on G string, fret 2. Immediately, you can slide that along to make E-shaped barre chords, by adding you're barre and fingers 3 and 4. Personally, I don't see you gaining an advantage by constantly playing chords with fingers 2, 3, and 4 to keep you're barre finger free. Do practice fingering chords with them fingers, mind you, just dont make it routine. Hope that helps you some.
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: Sl8sh on October 11, 2009, 05:09:30 am
Good response.  I wasn't thinking about the transitions between chords. 

 ;D
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: Cue Zephyr on October 11, 2009, 11:58:22 am
I used to finger chords just one way and I never thought of pivot fingers etc. I got pretty quick with chord changes IMO.
Now I just HAVE to finger some chords differently because there's some riffs (or whatever) that can only be done with one particular fingering of a chord.
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: Sl8sh on October 11, 2009, 08:08:55 pm
Now I have more to work on with barre chords.  I can play the E shape now but haven't worked on the rest. 
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: Cue Zephyr on October 11, 2009, 09:32:41 pm
I think the E and A shapes are the most frequently used ones. I haven't run into any other ones (C/G/D shapes) being used.
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: Sl8sh on October 11, 2009, 11:44:24 pm
A shape is not my favorite chord.  In looking at the other barre chords, I'll use them as an experiment but without the barre.  I'll just use them as movable triads. 
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: AndyL on October 14, 2009, 06:51:04 pm
Hi all,

I've been learning to play now for about 6 months, and whilst I seem to have grasped most of the basic aspects (open chords, power chords, scales, etc) quite quickly, one thing that I've continually had problems with is barre chords. No matter how much I try, I can't quickly and smoothly move into one from an open chord. Does anyone have any tips to maybe make these a bit easier, or is it simply as I expect, a case of practice makes perfect?
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: Cue Zephyr on October 14, 2009, 07:37:42 pm
As you said, practice does it.
Slowly and accurately first, then the speed will come on it's own.
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: Sl8sh on October 15, 2009, 09:13:27 pm
Keep practicing.  It takes time.  And everyone progresses differently.  And don't restrict yourself to a time frame of when you expect to see or feel results. 
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: AndyL on October 16, 2009, 07:26:59 pm
Cheers for the replys guys. I expected as much to be honest, but just thought I'd see if anyone had any sneaky tips to make it a bit easier. Oh well, guess it wouldn't be as rewarding if it was easy!
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: Sl8sh on October 18, 2009, 11:51:47 pm
You're right.  If it were easy, then it wouldn't feel rewarding.  Keep practicing and have fun. 
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: eRickety on October 22, 2009, 02:54:03 pm
Hi guys, new to the forums but have been running through the beginners course for some time now.  I've been making pretty decent progress, and now I'm trying to take on some barre chords.  Do you guys that are proficient in these have calists down your index finger?  I was practicing barres, powers, and hammer ons for a few hours last night and by the end of it I had lines all down my pointer finger and was experiencing a noticeable amount of pain.  I figure these would probably be easier if I were to develop these because I'm pretty dismal at them now. 

Thanks
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: shahiq on October 26, 2009, 04:08:27 pm
well u c guys i m new in dis forum i really need help wid chords lyk E/G#........ i dnt knw wat it is hw 2 play it so if ny1 kindly shws mw............. THNX :) :D
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: close2u on October 26, 2009, 05:11:37 pm
well u c guys i m new in dis forum i really need help wid chords lyk E/G#........ i dnt knw wat it is hw 2 play it so if ny1 kindly shws mw............. THNX :) :D

dese kOrds r lyk kAlled Slash KOrd3 man lyk u kkno & dey av a lesson by Justin Da [email protected] nd r n0thin to do wid slash dat gtr plyr

http://www.justinguitar.com/en/BC-191-EasySlash-chord.php

wkd nd u knows it ryt
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: close2u on October 26, 2009, 05:15:43 pm
EADGBE

string ... fret ... finger

6 ... 4 ... little
5 ... 2 ... 3rd
4 ... 2 ... 4th
3 ... 1 ... 1st
2 open
1 open

or as a power chords just the three 1st strings as above

or as an E7/G# as above and lift your 2nd finger off


ps - welcome to the forum

pps - no more text speak please ... there are people from all around the world with English as a 2nd language ... let's make it understandable to all with something approaching  basic grammar and sentences please

thank you

 :)
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: shahiq on October 26, 2009, 05:18:18 pm
thanxs man 4 info........... owe u 1..  ;)
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: worldidiot on October 27, 2009, 06:06:13 pm
first of all, a huge shout out to justin, thanks for such a great site

anyways, just finished justins new beginners course, and thought i'd have a crack at these evil barre chords, yet no matter how hard i try i cannot play an A major shape barre chord with the third finger barre.  I can play all of the E shapes perfectly fine, i can play the intro to stairway to heaven (even with the horrible action on my acoustic, which gets higher further up the fretboard), yet i cannot barre stuff with my 3rd finger :(  can anyone help please?  this is the first thing ive found hard since i started guitar.
thx in advance
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: shahiq on October 27, 2009, 07:55:39 pm
u cn try holdin da notes by fingas 1 afta da otha...........
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: worldidiot on October 29, 2009, 12:21:38 pm
u cn try holdin da notes by fingas 1 afta da otha...........
im english and i dont get what you mean :P  ???
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: Cue Zephyr on October 29, 2009, 01:10:00 pm
I think he means you can place fingers 2 3 and 4 on the strings where you'd normally barre your 3rd finger on, for an AMaj-shape barre chord.
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: worldidiot on November 01, 2009, 08:18:21 pm
stretchy, but i can hold it down much better :)
but should i at least keep practising the other way for better technique and finger strength, etc. ?
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: Cue Zephyr on November 01, 2009, 10:15:45 pm
I think you should just play what feels good and works for you.
If you ever need that other method, for whatever reason, you'll get it down anyway.
Good luck.
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: Claude10 on November 29, 2009, 09:48:36 am
Just a question about naming the barre chords,

Just wondering if there is a difference between the different shapes, for example playing a C chord using the E shape barre at the 8th fret or the A shape at the 3rd fret? For example Justin's video of Jack Johnson's "Gone", I wouldn't know what shape to play without the video
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: MadCat on November 29, 2009, 04:20:45 pm
As far as I know, there is no difference. You can choose the shape that fits best to the song and the other chords.
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: mike42 on November 29, 2009, 11:10:31 pm
Claude-

The chords will sound slightly different, but it's mostly a matter of finding chords that are easy to switch between, as MadCat has already said. So you will usually pick chords that are somewhat close to each other.

But to see how these chords sound slightly different, try playing an E shape barre at the 8th fret and an A shape at the 3rd. In the context of a song they would be hard to distinguish but the chord at the 8th fret has a high note that the A shape lacks. It's not a huge difference, but something to be aware of if you're looking for a certain sound.
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: bigoli on December 02, 2009, 03:56:47 am
Hey guys,
With the A shape barre chords, is the 1st string meant to be muted or fretted with the index finger bar? Because i find it impossible not to mute it with my 3rd finger bar.
Cheers
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: mike42 on December 02, 2009, 06:11:38 am
Bigoli-
If you use the 3rd finger barre then the 1st string will most likely be muted, unless your finger is the perfect length to let it ring out.

If you really want that note to sound then you can use your 2nd, 3rd, and 4th fingers in place of the 3rd finger barre and barre the 1st and 5th strings with your first finger, but generally the thinnest string is just muted. Hopefully that clears things up
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: bigoli on December 02, 2009, 08:32:28 am
sweet that was the answer i was hoping for, cheers mike
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: nyr2094 on December 12, 2009, 03:31:59 am
Hey everyone,

I can do all the barre chord shapes and varieties...well the A shape and E shape at least, and starting to apply them in songs and such.  Problem is that muscle that Justin talks about between the thumb and index finger, gets really tired and can hurt after doing a song with all barre chords in it.  I was hoping someone could shed some light on if this is just part of the "growing pains" of playing barre chords, and as I get stronger, it won't get tired or hurt.  Or is this something that kinda sticks with you as you play guitar? 

Thanks
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: bigoli on December 12, 2009, 06:46:15 am
I get the same problem, Im just starting aswell though. Even doing Justins 1 minute changes between 2 barre chords It gets quite painful for me. If you keep putting the muscle under stress it is going to adapt, so yes eventually the muscle will be strong and fit so we can play barre chords all day.
Just like it might hurt your legs now if you ran 5km. But if you did it everyday, it will no longer hurt after a couple of weeks.
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: bhaz on January 01, 2010, 09:31:30 am
I'm finding that when switching from for example, an E shape to E7 or Em7 barre, one of the strings just happens to line up with the indent on the inside of my knuckle, forcing me to move my entire index finger either up or down or have a muted note.
Honestly I don't think there's much I can do about it, and I'll just have to learn the appropriate height for each one. Figured I'd just post it here to see if anyone else ever had this problem.
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: gareth51 on January 01, 2010, 11:15:39 am
I'm finding that when switching from for example, an E shape to E7 or Em7 barre, one of the strings just happens to line up with the indent on the inside of my knuckle, forcing me to move my entire index finger either up or down or have a muted note.
Honestly I don't think there's much I can do about it, and I'll just have to learn the appropriate height for each one. Figured I'd just post it here to see if anyone else ever had this problem.
Try rolling your index finger away from you (towards the nut).  Then the indents on the inside of your finger don't matter so much as you are using the side of your index finger.
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: bhaz on January 02, 2010, 05:54:02 am
Try rolling your index finger away from you (towards the nut).  Then the indents on the inside of your finger don't matter so much as you are using the side of your index finger.

If I roll it away any further I'd be twisting my wrist to the side, I was already using the side of my finger. No extra amount of pressure will make the note ring out, it just seems that the shape of my finger doesn't allow me to push down the 4th string. If I bring my finger up higher (hanging over the neck about 1.5 cm) I can make all the strings ring out, but then my wrist is on a 90 degree angle.

If I keep my finger flat, I don't have the problem, but then I guess that'd be bad technique.
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: PhillD on January 02, 2010, 09:12:58 pm
Bhaz when I started out with barre chords years ago I had the same trouble, but through a mixture of natural ageing and finger strengthening plus a little repositioning I naturally got around it. While that doesn't sound much help its probably how its going to be with you too.

After years of playing barres I still sometimes get a buzz on the 3 string when playing an Fm7 barre on one guitar (but its got 11s on so I figure its ok), but the rest of them are fine.

If you are rotating your finger and you are in a natural and not painful position I would say live with it for 8 weeks and then see - practice the barre day in day out and switch between regular barres, 7s and 6s (if you've covered them) and you should find it sorts itself.
Good luck
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: marketer772 on January 03, 2010, 09:39:41 pm
I have noticed that when switching to a F barre from an open C, that as middle finger moves down one string, it forces my ring finger (and pinky to a lesser extent) down a bit.  After my middle finger gets planted on the string, my ring and pinky have to move back up a bit to correctly hit the A and D strings.  This leads to inaccuracy, and a slight delay.  As you might expect, changing from a C to an F minor, is faster, because there is no down movement of my middle finger.

Does anyone know of any exercises with or without the guitar, that can help me prevent my middle finger from dragging down my ring and pinky?

Thanks.
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: bhaz on January 04, 2010, 12:54:50 pm
After watching through the video again I noticed I might be putting too much emphasis on rolling my index. I noticed Justin was only very slightly rolling, and it looked a little bit flatter when moving up the fingerboard (playing the Em7 barre on the 2nd vid, 4 minutes in). I copied this technique and I'm having much more success now.

Thanks Philld and gareth51 for the advice.
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: pato defumado on January 29, 2010, 01:44:17 am
Hi,
I need some advice on the dreaded F chord ):
 -I have been working on it for a couple of weeks now, but seem to insist on the same problem.

 -I have watched Justin's videos and tried (90% successfully) applying it to my grip. But the thing is: the 6Th string keeps sounding a bit dodgy, kind of quiet and doesn't sustain as long as the other strings. I have tried pressing the top part of my finger harder, but that muted my 2Nd string.

 -So, do you guys have any advice for that, has any of you experienced that difficulty?
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: Cue Zephyr on January 29, 2010, 01:53:29 am
Tried moving back your barre just a tad?
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: pato defumado on January 29, 2010, 02:22:02 am
I don't think that's the problem, cause when I press my middle finger on top of my my index finger, I get a decent sound. That is...until it starts cramping, then i take a break. I think the problem is purely strength. So, do you guys have any strengthening exercise I could use to build up enough to play decently?
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: pato defumado on January 30, 2010, 01:36:06 am
Oh, by the way, I've been practising the E shape barre for a couple weeks now, and have seen little improvement, which is getting on my nerves. So, I wanted to know: how long did it take you experienced players to nail these chords? I'm getting really frustrated.
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: Guitarted on February 01, 2010, 02:22:24 am
on the 2nd of the four basic barre chord lessons justin explains that its bad to bend your wrist when playing guitar, but does anyone know if its like really bad or if i do it will my hand fall off? ;) because i have pretty short, fat fingers and i dont think i can barre across all 6 strings if i dont bend my wrist like he says not to.
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: Cue Zephyr on February 01, 2010, 10:06:43 am
I think Justin tells in one of the videos that you can get some serious problems with your wrist and the stuff that runs through it (nerves?).
Do you have a guitar with a wide neck?
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: dulcet banshee on February 01, 2010, 05:02:27 pm
Hey Pato where is your thumb when you're trying the barre chords? Almost all your strength for fretting with the barre finger will come from squeezing between your thumb and fingers, so maybe try moving your thumb just a little to one side or the other and see if it's better. Also, try on different frets and not just on the first fret for the F. For me it was much easier on the frets around the middle of the neck at first. You might also need to experiment moving the barre finger up and down a little until none of the strings are being muted. You're not holding the barre finger flat on the neck are you? It needs to be angled a little so it will be a flat surface all the way across the neck without worrying about the little spaces where the joints are. What i did was put my finger down flat on top of the fret and then rotate it until it was just behind the fret and that worked out just right for me. Try not to get frustrated, it took me a while and I would just work on it a few minutes each day until one day it finally worked. Have fun!
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: jbhyde on February 12, 2010, 07:53:39 pm
Does it really matter if I use the G barre instead of the open G (3 finger)?  I can easily barre and some progressions are easier just going to the G with a barre.  IS one correct vs the other or does it not matter?  Thanks for replies.
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: irishalkies on February 12, 2010, 09:19:51 pm
No it doesn't matter as you are playing exactly the same notes. Which one you use will depend on what chord you are coming from and what chord you are going to next. I guess the only time it matters is if you are trying to play a song the way it was played originally - then you will want whichever chord was used in that particular piece.
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: SJP on February 19, 2010, 11:33:07 am
However I move my index finger when playing a barre (6th string) 7th or 7th minor chord I can never get the D string to play cleanly. I'm quite a svelte chap with slim fingers and there's a 'ditch' between the joints of my index which is about 3/4 cm long that the string sits in. Any advice ?
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: Bootstrap on February 19, 2010, 12:13:54 pm
Experiment moving your finger up or down (vertically) till all notes sound - also try to roll your index finger a little so you are using the edge more than the flat of your finger.
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: SJP on February 19, 2010, 08:28:01 pm
Thanks Bootstrap,

but because said ditch is fairly long I don't have the leeway for the vertical option without pulling all my other fingers out of position. As for rolling my index (that's what I'm used to doing for my barres,which aren't bad in the main) but the ditch is situated on the side than on the flat of the index. Therefore i've tried using the flat for these particular chords and it's slightly better but i have to grip the neck with Kryptonite force.

Any solution short of a hand transplant ?

Just had an idea....not ideal but maybe a strip of Elastoplast (c) round that boney digit would do the trick. Watch this space.
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: samkel123 on February 26, 2010, 12:24:25 pm
SJP i had exactly the same problem when trying to play either the minor 7th or 7th with the Ashape and the 7th with the e shape. With the minor 7th with the eshape use your second finger to back up your first and this should help. i though i stumbled across a solution. One thing i find can help is trying to keep the top part of the fimnger flat and pushed against the strings that way. Takesd a lot of strength but seemed to work. Another thing that could help is rolling your finger to the side like Justin said however do quite a heavy angle and see if this helps. These seemed to work for me however it could have jusst been the development in strength from the practice. Practice makes perfect.
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: SJP on February 26, 2010, 02:27:51 pm
cheers samkel,

i'd always assumed i was getting it fine but on checking :  :-\

what's working for me is to really bring my index as far across/up as possible and giving it a bit more muscle. but i'll give your two-fingered suggestion a try.

ta
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: nellicus on April 06, 2010, 06:43:15 pm
Just started trying barre chords properly, can play the e shape F maj chord fairly well, although if I tried to do the 1 minute changes I would maybe get 2 changes in if im lucky.
I was having alot of problems with the Em shape barre chord, I couldn't get the G or B strings to both ring out clearly, had a look at this thread and after playing about with positioning etc it looks like I just have to apply more pressure and it rings out clearly.....

Problem is that it feels like I am holding onto the chord shape with some sorta death grip, after about 5 seconds the muscle between my first finger and thumb is burning and my forearm is starting to burn as well. I know its going to take alot of time and practice to build up the strength to get this down, i'm not looking for a quick fix to this because I know that anything worth doing will always take time.....however does anyone know of any good exercises that I can use to build up the strength that will complement the practice I am doing with the barre chords (strum-pick-strum and 1 min changes..not good enough to use them in progressions yet.)

Don't know if this is normal but I am experiencing the same discomfort to a slightly lesser degree when I am doing power chords.
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: samkel123 on April 07, 2010, 01:31:46 am
Firstly i would try to get the E major shape down solidly so that you find this easy to play and never have to really struggle with holding down the strings. You do not neccessarily need to be able to change to it quickly but make sure you can play it easily. The E minor shape is more tricky and is something i am still practicing. However i never experienced much discomfort. When playing for a long time i could feel a bit of pain in my muscle between my thumb and first finger however the pain you describe sounds quite bad. It may be because you are trying to hold the chord down with too much pressure. Eventually these chords should feel easy and i do not think it is good to press the strings down too much. What i would focus on more is making sure your first finger is rolled slightly, that your hand position is correct and your wrist is not to bent (see Justins video) and also playing about slightly with your first finger position for example by rolling it slightly more or less or by moving it up or down slightly. If a string is not ringing it may be because of something like your first finger position instead of how much pressure you apply. However do expect a bit of discomfort as barre chords are not easy and they take time to get used to. I still find this and am still struggling with songs such as Tears in Heaven as when i take my time i can play an F# minor however when i have to get to it quickly sometimes i still mute the G string.
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: r-veer on April 08, 2010, 08:54:54 am
hey people,
I have a problem too I have a chinese guitar cheap guitar and i amjust a beginner and it is very hard for the 3rd, 2nd and 1st strings to ring so do I have to build up strength or should I get a new guitar? please people this is urgent! =)
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: Bootstrap on April 08, 2010, 09:02:11 am
Dude - could be either reason but most likely a strength thing.

And my bonus tip - urgent and guitar dont really go together, patience and guitar are a much better match - this applies to both learning guitar and buying guitars.

Cheers, Bootstrap
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: fadecomic on April 14, 2010, 03:17:16 pm
Hi,

I've been enjoying Justin's lessons. I used to play a lot when I was a kid, and I'm trying to relearn (and unlearn some old bad habits). One thing that sticks out to me is Justin's A-shape barré chord lesson. I was taught specifically that barring the third finger was the "cheater" way to do it and should be avoided, and that the only "real" way to do it was to use the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th fingers in a diagonal. My teacher's reasoning was that the chord sounded muddy without the top E string.

I know everyone is different, and it's somewhat a matter of personal preference, but what is the advantage to barring the 3rd? It seems to require a great deal more strength than the 2-3-4 diagonal, but maybe that's just because I'm not used to it.
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: Cue Zephyr on April 14, 2010, 03:21:50 pm
I might be special, but I can make the high E ring out with the A-shape barre chords. I find it a bit too much of an annoying position with the 2-3-4 method. The advantages might show up once you start looking at your chord changes. I don't see it as a 'cheat' way to play the barre type, by all means.
Just to add a bit, I also play my A chord as a barre chord. This works fine in most cases but is not practical when doing sus2/sus4 embellishing.
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: rolling56 on April 14, 2010, 03:31:21 pm
I know everyone is different, and it's somewhat a matter of personal preference, but what is the advantage to barring the 3rd? It seems to require a great deal more strength than the 2-3-4 diagonal, but maybe that's just because I'm not used to it.

It frees your pinky up to use for fretting behind your ring finger.
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: samkel123 on April 15, 2010, 01:24:35 pm
Also your fingers will become very squashed if you play it with the second third and 4th fingers particularly when you get up the fretboard say for example you were playing an E with the A shape barre chord you would have to use the third finger barre.
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: Blackadder on May 30, 2010, 11:21:06 am
I always get a very 'light' feeling in my fingers after practicing barre chords. I feel that using these chords greatly improves my 'finger power' -I am aware of how it sounds- and play better after it.
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: dotny on June 08, 2010, 05:37:59 pm
Hi Justin,

I'm at stage 8 and  was wondering is there any disadvantage in using the pinky finger to barre A shape cords.  I seem to have  more success and comfort with the 5th string root  C and D barre's  using my little finger.  My little  finger feels more natural  when compared to my ring finger barreing the bottom of the cord.    Up to this point, nothing has been initially comfortable or natural. So I was really surprised how easy I  was able to  barre a clear  A shape Barre  cord using my little finger.  

I have been building on the techniques needed  to play  the song "Hey Joe" from easy songs 1, and noticed in the barre cord version of the song, some people use their little finger when Barreing the C and D cords.  Some people the use the fingering described in your video,  using the Ring finger.    

My guitar intuition tells me to go with what is comfortable and natural for my hands, however since I'm only starting to learn barre cords,  I'm not sure if I would be limiting  my ability to do something else down the road for lack of not developing the ring finger to barre A shape cords.  Would my technique suffer if I choose to practice and develop playing A shape barre' cords with my little finger? For the record, I  have no objections to developing my ring finger to barre A shape cords.  The work I put in always pays off, and I'm sure I will have this guitar intuition conflict several times before I become a rock star and quit my day job  ;D .  As always any advise  anyone  can offer  would be greatly appreciated.  THAXS
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: close2u on June 08, 2010, 05:49:22 pm
hello dotny

no probs with using your little finger I would say

it will have a small limiting effect, in the futuree, for example, if playing an A shape barre major chord you want to make it in to a sus4 chord by fretting the b string one fret higher than the barre, or a full dominant 7th by fretting the e string one fret higher than the barre, you can only do this using a 3rd finger barre ...
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: Jonny5 on June 12, 2010, 11:43:57 am
I started using my ring finger and it was always a bit awkward playing a Bb for example, now I mainly would use pinky for that one, unless I need it to add other notes. I'd advise learning both.

About getting notes to ring clearly, pressure vs positioning etc. I remember it was hard at first and seemed to require a lot of force, to the point where I did experience soem discomfort. I would practice fretting an F for perhaps 5mins a day. Reading a lot of stuff online about fretting requiring minimal force led me to believe I was doing it wrong, but on my acoustic I tried every position imaginable and still it would require a decent amount of force to ring clearly. I've come to the conclusion that people who are of that opinion either had strong hands in the first place or have played so long they forgot what it was like. Yes eventually it doesn't feel like much effort at all, but at first you might have to take it slowly as with any physical work. Hold the chord shape for a few mins at a time and it'll come.
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: tom .p. on June 19, 2010, 12:40:27 pm
I'm trying to do the barre F chord on stage 6 of the beginners course but I'm really stuggling to get my wrist straight. I'm starting to get pains in my wrist due to the angle and when I try to play with a flat wrist the B string gets muted and my wrist always naturally wants to curve up.

Also I was messing around before moving the barre up and down the neck and I've noticed it's much easier to play around the 5th - 9th fret. Is this normal?

Any suggestions of how I could solve this?
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: Cue Zephyr on June 19, 2010, 01:13:59 pm
Yes, that's normal. Your wrist can be at a slight angle, but not a cramped-up extreme angle.
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: tom .p. on June 19, 2010, 01:26:54 pm
Well to be honest my wrist is nearly at a 90 degree angle. It happens when I go to play the E shape as I need to get those fingers on their tips.
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: Cue Zephyr on June 19, 2010, 01:43:40 pm
See, that's what I call a cramped-up extreme angle. My wrist, when playing the F is at about a 25°-35° angle. On my 3/4 travel guitar I tend to lift the guitar up to straighten my wrist even more (it's obviously a very light guitar).
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: tom .p. on June 20, 2010, 11:03:43 am
Well to be honest I know it's an extreme angle - I was after some tips on how to keep it down and get the notes ringing out because at the moment when I'm playing it with only a slight angle the last 3 notes are muffled.
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: Cue Zephyr on June 20, 2010, 01:57:39 pm
Just, keep practising and don't worry about the notes ringing, first priority is to give your wrist a healthy anlge to work in. Good luck.
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: UKFretboarder on June 27, 2010, 08:53:47 pm
Hi everyone, I've been playing my A Shape Barres with my 3rd finger holding down the 3 strings, however when I play this my 2nd finger is curling up so that it is right next to the edge of the fretboard by the high E. Should I be trying to keep my 2nd finger straight alongside my 3rd finger, or is this just a natural effect of the position of my 3rd finger?
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: Cue Zephyr on June 27, 2010, 08:56:42 pm
Doesn't matter how you hold the second finger, try to keep it somewhat relaxed though. I hold my finger about 1 cm off the fretboard somewhat close to the 5th and 4th string.

Whatever you do, don't straighten it (I guess you can, but don't do that if your playing live in front of an audience...).
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: UKFretboarder on June 28, 2010, 05:46:29 pm
Thanks amigo  =)  Yeah definitely don't want to do that lol, true rock star style  ;) 
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: biblo on July 11, 2010, 01:57:26 pm
Hello,

I have recently had some down time and decided to pick up the guitar again.  Always struggled with barre chords mainly the major bar chords with the 6th string root note. 

I always find that my index finger cannot ever seem to press down with enough pressure to make the b string ring, particulary when trying to play FMaj as I progress further down the neck this becomes easier.

Any hints to develop the strength between the thumb and index finger even when not playing the guitar?

Does anyone else have this issue and how have you resolved it?

Cheers Guys, and props to Justin for this great site best instructer on the net.
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: Cue Zephyr on July 11, 2010, 03:10:05 pm
You can get those hand-training widgets. I saw some in a sports store somewhere on the other side of the globe. Those might work.
It's not all about the pressure, it's also about distributing the pressure. It could be that most of the pressure is going out to the 6th and 1st string. Try some different pressure distributions (means changing tension in muscles in your barre finger). This also gave me a lot of troubel when learning the F#m chord (need that in the key of D and E sometimes).
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: UKFretboarder on July 11, 2010, 06:46:11 pm
Hey =)  F also gave me that problem when I started, for me I found it was the positioning of my index and not really pressure. It's only for my F#m / Fm7 / F7 that for me is more pressure and less position related. Whenever the B string buzzed I rolled my finger really slightly more towards the nut, and lowered it slightly. That worked for me and I think position comes over pressure. You will get it  :)
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: SteveO. on July 11, 2010, 07:04:09 pm
Quick question:

Why do you mute the 1st string in the Major A shape barre chord? In theory, you could barre it and let it ring out... right? Is it just easier to mute it?
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: Cue Zephyr on July 11, 2010, 07:37:38 pm
It's beccause it's easier to fret. I personally don't mute the 1st string with the A shape barre, though.
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: SteveO. on July 11, 2010, 08:11:29 pm
Ok, so maybe when I'm feeling more comfortable with it I can stop muting it.

Thanks :)
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: Cue Zephyr on July 11, 2010, 08:56:43 pm
It also has a lot to do with your hand. My ring finger is just long enough to barre the 2nd 3rd and 4th string and lift off the 1st.
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: stephen4x on July 17, 2010, 04:56:38 pm
glad it's not just me then. The knuckles in my ring finger just don't seem to flex that well. As Cue said, easier to fret with 3 fingers, least that's what i do. Just when I thought I was starting to get to grips (slightly) with barre chords too! :p
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: Cue Zephyr on July 17, 2010, 05:12:00 pm
That is not what I said.
What I meant was, I fret the 2nd 3rd and 4th string, and my ring finger is just long enough to do THAT, and lift-off the 1st string. ;)
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: Malicious on July 20, 2010, 01:26:46 am
Those of you who are having a hard time with Barre chords shouldn't be stressing over it.
It's normal and if you practice them while staying relaxed you'll get the hang of it in no time.

A trick I did to help me significantly was by barring the first two strings starting at the 12th fret and working my way to the 1st fret.
You then start adding strings until you can comfortably barre all 6 strings at the 12th fret and then work your way to the 1st fret.
Once you can easily barre all six strings at the first fret only then you should worry about placing the rest of your fingers.
This way you work up the strenght in your thumb and index finger.

Also, remember it takes practice and you won't be playing them perfectly in a week.
Give it time and you'll get there. :)
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: Cue Zephyr on July 20, 2010, 01:44:16 am
Good idea! I haven't gone about it that way yet. Thanks.
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: Malicious on July 20, 2010, 01:55:09 am
Cool, let me know how it works out for you :P
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: Cue Zephyr on August 04, 2010, 05:33:39 pm
Is it even physically possible to hold 222262 in open C tuning with medium gauge strings (13-56) and standard scale length (25.5")?
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: mike42 on August 04, 2010, 08:43:02 pm
Is it even physically possible to hold 222262 in open C tuning with medium gauge strings (13-56) and standard scale length (25.5")?

My guitar is a 24.84" scale with 12's on it and it wasn't too difficult for me to hold the barre. However, I wouldn't want to have to switch to or from that chord. Oh, and I didn't bother retuning to open C in order to try it ;)
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: Cue Zephyr on August 04, 2010, 09:42:55 pm
You have a Seagull or something? 12s play quite a bit easier too, btw. I can get that 6th fret 2nd string but not the 4th and 3rd string (or barely).
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: mike42 on August 05, 2010, 12:18:13 am
I have a Norman. Owned by Godin, who also makes Seagulls and a bunch of other brands.

I'm thinking about switching to 13's but don't really want to deal with getting it set up again.
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: Cue Zephyr on August 05, 2010, 01:08:25 am
I would stick to the 12s or step up to 12.5s (Martin). You might get away with 13s but I can't tell.

I wondered because Seagull also uses that same scale length on their guitars.

My guitar needs a set-up anyway... Every guitar, cheap or expensive, played easier than my Taylor, even another Taylor with the same medium gauge strings...
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: mike42 on August 05, 2010, 01:14:39 am
If I change at all I'll probably just go for a setup because it probably needs one anyways.

I played some Seagulls but just didn't really get on with the wider fretboard. Nice guitars, though
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: Cue Zephyr on August 05, 2010, 03:01:15 am
It's the main reason why I got interested with Seagulls lately. But I've long passed them and the price point as well. ;)
They are indeed great guitars, I like the Maritime Mini-Jumbo a lot.
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: jackhannaford on August 14, 2010, 06:02:22 pm
Fairly sure this has been asked a huge amount of times, whats wth the animal at the end?
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: mattinoz on August 14, 2010, 11:37:04 pm
Fairly sure this has been asked a huge amount of times, whats wth the animal at the end?
That's a Tasmanian Devil....... Justin is from Tasmania.
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: Hollywood on September 01, 2010, 03:10:34 am
I'm trying to do the barre chords... these videos are very helpful, however, I'm having trouble getting the 2nd and 3rd strings to sound nice.  I keep getting that dull *thunk* sound instead of a nice, clean note.  I'm trying to focus my strength on the middle of my finger, but what else can I do?  I can do one barre chord so far - F, I believe.  Help!
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: close2u on September 01, 2010, 07:44:26 am
practice further up the neck where you will find them a little easier ... maybe about the 5th fret

or use a capo up the neck

 :)
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: Cue Zephyr on September 01, 2010, 02:37:32 pm
Just keep playing them. I also have to have my index in a particular place depending on the guitar (nut width and scale length, even size of the body) of the guitar. Just try and see what gives you the best result - even if it isn't perfect you'll know where to put your finger and then just practice the strength and holding the chord for longer than a couple of beats. Good luck.
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: gryan on October 31, 2010, 06:28:35 pm
I've been doing barre chord practice for about a month now, including the strengthening exercises of just barring 3/4/5/6 strings on frets moving along the neck.

My positioning is good and my strength is coming along, but I have one nagging problem: I can't seem to get the B string to ring out well because it falls into a valley on the underside of my knuckle. I don't know whether I have freak knuckles or what, but even moving my finger up or down slightly doesn't make much of a difference.
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: Bootstrap on October 31, 2010, 10:08:34 pm
Gryan - try slightly rotating your index finger so you are not placing it flat but using a bit of the edge ie presuming you are right handed slightly rotate out so you are using some of the left edge of your index finger.

Hard to explain in writing - hope that helps.....
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: gryan on November 01, 2010, 09:25:01 pm
Gryan - try slightly rotating your index finger so you are not placing it flat but using a bit of the edge ie presuming you are right handed slightly rotate out so you are using some of the left edge of your index finger.

Hard to explain in writing - hope that helps.....

Thanks, Bootstrap. I guess I'm just not rotating it enough yet. It's kinda hard to rotate that one finger while keeping the rest square.
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: flyhead on November 01, 2010, 09:36:21 pm
It's only a slight rotation, and it's equally important to find out where the 'dead spots' on your finger are, i.e. where the joints and creases are on your finger, and to adjust your hand's position accordingly. Try out different positions at the 5th fret before going for a stretchy 'F' or 'F#'.
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: gryan on November 01, 2010, 11:45:43 pm
It's only a slight rotation, and it's equally important to find out where the 'dead spots' on your finger are, i.e. where the joints and creases are on your finger, and to adjust your hand's position accordingly. Try out different positions at the 5th fret before going for a stretchy 'F' or 'F#'.

I guess that's a good term for what I am describing. My dead spots much be HUGE. ;-)
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: alexmdac on November 29, 2010, 05:00:48 am
When holding A-shaped barre chords, what do you think about using the third finger to down hold both the D and G strings, and the fourth finger to hold the B string?

Lifting up the fourth finger's knuckle seems easier this way, since it can lift of the fretboard around the B string.  I can reliably get the high e string to ring out when I use this fingering.

I'm still new to barre chords.  Is it a good idea to persevere with this technique?
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: close2u on November 29, 2010, 08:03:42 am
When holding A-shaped barre chords, what do you think about using the third finger to down hold both the D and G strings, and the fourth finger to hold the B string?
... Is it a good idea to persevere with this technique?

it'll work, you're almost in to power chord fingering there
but
I would advise you persevere with holding  d, g, b either
a] with 3rd finger
b] with 4th finger
c] with 2nd, 3rd & 4th

later on you will want to be able to do fills and add-on notes to those chords so keep at it

 :)

use
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: sugaradam on January 13, 2011, 04:54:28 pm
Could anybody help in a practical question on changing between barre chords, please? I am trying to keep my hand and arm and shoulder as it is said in the video, but my lower arm muscle (the one under the elbow) is very tense at all times while holding down the chord, and gets really tired very soon. Is that natural and it will get better? Or am I doing something wrong? thank you!
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: Dii on January 19, 2011, 07:23:00 pm
in A-shape barre chords, i can't flex my 3rd finger so my 1st string is always muted. I was thinking of using what alexmdac said, use the 4th finger to fret the b string. However, i don't know if its important if the 1st string rings. It sounds better to me, but i'd want some feedback :d
Thanks !  ;D
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: misterg on January 19, 2011, 07:30:07 pm
.... i don't know if its important if the 1st string rings. It sounds better to me, but i'd want some feedback :d
Thanks !  ;D

I'm positive that Justin has said before that it doesn't matter if the 1st string rings out - if I remember correctly, he said (on one of his early-ish ustream shows) that something like 50% of people he taught couldn't get the top e to sound.

I'm pretty sure he comments on it in the intermediate 'A' shaped barre chord lesson, too.

So no worries, as long as it's muted.

Andy
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: BrenoAkiy on February 19, 2011, 11:04:10 pm
So, I started Intermediate Course like a week ago and I'm having trouble with minor, 7, and minor 7 chords, specially F chords.
The thing is, I can do them fine on 3rd and higher frets most of the time (I mess up on F#min/F#min7 sometimes). But when I try to play a Fmin for example, I have to place my 1st finger a little higher (my nail stays off the guitar neck). If I try playing it the same way I play other minor chords, the 3rd string keeps buzzing most of the time. As for Fmin7, I can't even do it, lol.
So the question is, should I keep playing this way, with a different finger placement on Fmin/F#min, or should I just practice the "right way"?
btw, is the Fmin chord common in songs? It seems that F#min chord is quite common, but I've never seen Fmin in a song...

Oh, and sorry for any english mistake, not my main language...
 :P
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: Jonny5 on February 20, 2011, 11:08:26 am
I don't think it'd be wise to learn two positions for one chord shape to be honest. I haven't come across Fm in many songs (Space Oddity I think?) but you don't wanna just avoid it if that's what you're suggesting. I would say the position that allows you to play Fm is the correct one for you, and if you can get used to it playing higher up will seem that much easier.
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: Cue Zephyr on February 20, 2011, 02:03:50 pm
Definitely try to get that F#m under your belt. It is a lot more commoon (as it's often found in the key of D (iii), E (ii) and A (vi). The Fm won't be that much of an extra stretch when you do get it in a song at some point.

Good luck.
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: connelly73 on March 05, 2011, 12:58:10 am
New to this forum but great site from Justin. I have been playing guitar for years and never really got the perfect barre chord. I could get by but after deciding to really get some good technique and songs under my belt tried to tackle barre chords properly. It's just I can't get either the g or b string not to mute when playing particular barre chords like Bb7 or Fmin? I have gone over the lessons and tried moving my index finger up down etc... I'm using the side of the finger as Justin suggests but just can’t nail it. It’s as if the two strings dig into the fleshy part in the middle of the finger. If I add my middle finger to push down with more pressure, it eventually works but sure, this should not be the case.

Is it a case of building up more hard skin on the first finger over time?

Thanks
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: misterg on March 05, 2011, 10:30:04 am
@Connelly73

Justin comes back to this at the start of the intermediate course - It's basically a case of sticking with it  :-\

There are some possibly useful tips in the text below the video lesson. There's no point repeating them here - have a look:

http://www.justinguitar.com/en/IM-111-EShapeMajorMinorBarreChords.php

In keeping with recent requests from the moderators to try and keep the lesson threads on topic, it might be best to post any follow-up questions relating to problems playing E shaped minor chords on the IM-111 thread (if they aren't answered in that lesson).

HTH

Andy
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: connelly73 on March 06, 2011, 11:31:09 pm
Thanks andy will stick with it just can't seem to get the g string on the barre. Its not the joint line on my index finger its the fleshy part so hopefully if i build up some hard skin this will help. :-\
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: Justo on April 15, 2011, 12:52:55 am
I can't find the IM-111 thread :(

Just wondering though about my a-shape barre chords. Instead of playing them with Index finger and ring finger, I've been playing with index finger and pinky. I've practiced enough to get them nice sounding, but I was wondering if anybody could see any other problems with playing this way. Does anybody else play this way?
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: Cue Zephyr on April 15, 2011, 01:45:11 am
The only 'problem' I see, is not being able to use the pinky when fingering an Asus4 barre chord. ;)
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: misterg on April 15, 2011, 03:14:45 pm
I can't find the IM-111 thread :(

Just wondering though about my a-shape barre chords. Instead of playing them with Index finger and ring finger, I've been playing with index finger and pinky. I've practiced enough to get them nice sounding, but I was wondering if anybody could see any other problems with playing this way. Does anybody else play this way?

I tend to play the same - my pinky finger is just the right length.

IM-111 thread is here:

http://justinguitarcommunity.com/index.php?topic=23943.0

(Look at the header when you open the page to see how to get there -  have to admit it's not easy to remember where stuff is!)

Andy
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: cobaltblue on June 23, 2011, 07:57:13 am
Difference between Maj7 and Dom7 Barre Chords?
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: freigeist on June 23, 2011, 12:02:19 pm
Hi cobaltblue,

the minor/major 7th interval ;)

Major7: 1 3 5 7
Dom7: 1 3 5 7b
Min7: 1 3b 5 7b

If you want to learn more of that stuff, you can take a look at Justins PR-011 - Chord Construction Guide (http://www.justinguitar.com/en/PR-011-RUGS2-CCG.php)

Have fun :)
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: cobaltblue on June 27, 2011, 05:11:47 am
Thanks freigeist!

My only problem for me is I can't find these notes on the guitar fast. I mean I always start on the root note to find the 3 or 5 etc. Any advice?
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: Bootstrap on June 27, 2011, 03:34:41 pm
CB - the good thing about barre chords is that the shapes are replicable. If you know how to play variations in the open position then you know how to play them as barres. So if you are playing an A chord using an E shape barre at the 5th fret then to play an Am you just use the same shape as Em in the open position at the 5th fret (ie just lift your 2nd finger off) same for A7 (ie lift your pinky) etc
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: Fintan on June 27, 2011, 07:21:47 pm
I've got a problem with my Em barre chord  :-[ every time i try to play a chord the g-string is muted no matter how i change my barring finger... ???
Any suggestions?  ;D
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: irishalkies on July 03, 2011, 03:30:32 am
I've got a problem with my Em barre chord  :-[ every time i try to play a chord the g-string is muted no matter how i change my barring finger... ???
Any suggestions?  ;D

I had that problem for quite a while. Turn your finger on it's side and move it upwards a bit so that the middle joint of your finger rests on the G string. After a while your finger will develop the strength it needs to make that barre. If I can describe it in words - my fingers are long-ish, and the top of my finger is hanging over the top of the neck.
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: Cue Zephyr on July 03, 2011, 10:27:36 pm
I had that too, and even more so with the Asus2 barre chord. The Em-barre worked itself out over time by tring things, including what irish said. I need 'em often, too. ;)
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: cobaltblue on July 04, 2011, 10:47:52 am
Thanks Bootstrap  ;D
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: worz on July 08, 2011, 11:24:17 am
I have a question please :)

My barre cord changes are getting faster now, from barre to barre and barre to open, however when i go from open to barre, it doesn't sound great because the open chord rings nicely and is then completely muted by my barre coming down. Am i doing something wrong or am i still going to slow between chords?

Cheers Worz
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: cobaltblue on July 13, 2011, 07:50:45 am
Why does F Major and Dmin7 sounds the same?  ???
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: Bootstrap on July 13, 2011, 11:40:52 am
F = F A C
Dmin7 = D F A C

See some similarity?

Now if you want to stretch your understanding - take some time to consider that the key of D minor is the relative minor key of F major - ie they share the same notes but the tonal centre is different.
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: Cue Zephyr on July 13, 2011, 12:12:04 pm
What's gonna sound even more similar is an F6. ;D
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: cobaltblue on July 14, 2011, 09:56:36 am
Where can I find the Major/Minor of chords of different scales?  ???
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: Bootstrap on July 14, 2011, 12:42:36 pm
Where can I find the Major/Minor of chords of different scales?  ???

You can work them out :)

For major keys the chords always go maj, min, min, maj, maj, min, dim

For minor keys the chords always go min, dim, maj, min, min, maj, maj

Every major key has a relative minor ie they use the same notes & chords just the tonal centre is different.

The relative minor is always the 6th degree of the major scale - so as above is the relative minor scale to Fmaj - another example is Amin is the relative minor scale of Cmaj.
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: cobaltblue on July 15, 2011, 04:07:49 am
Thanks BS! I'll check this one out. I need to find a song that is in the Minor Scale to test this. Thanks again!  ;D
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: Frostbiten on July 30, 2011, 07:00:35 pm
Does the pain when playing bar chords ever disapper? I've noticed that I can hold most them thighter and they sound good but after 2 or three bar chords my fingers lock and I can't move them because i sort of loose strenght in them and I can't pöay at all.
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: Cue Zephyr on July 30, 2011, 08:05:44 pm
That's something you have to build up. I used to be done after only a few bar chords, now I can actually play for like two hours and 75% barre chords or so and still be able to keep up. So, just keep doing them! ;)
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: ualgrizz on September 03, 2011, 07:16:31 am
Hi Guys:

I'm new to the site. Lots of good stuff here. I am struggling with the alternate fingering method of the B major barre chord on the 5th string. I normally play it using the 3 finger method and barre with my index finger. Justin suggests using your ring finger to barre the 2,3 and 4th string instead of the 3 finger method. I cannot bend my ring finger enough to get the proper effect. Are there issues with using the pinky instead of the ring finger?

Thanx, Grizz
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: close2u on September 03, 2011, 07:22:40 am
.... Are there issues with using the pinky instead of the ring finger?

Hello and welcome
 :)

If it suits you then it's fine ... only small issue is not being to play embellishments ... for example adding your pinky to the B string to make your major barre chord a sus4 chord ...
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: shreypai44 on September 07, 2011, 12:10:32 pm
Isnt there a lesson on B chord ?  ???
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: close2u on September 07, 2011, 12:32:56 pm
Isnt there a lesson on B chord ?  ???

Ta-Dah!!

http://www.justinguitar.com/en/IM-131-AShapeMajorBarreChords.php

 :)
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: goeters on November 16, 2011, 10:34:21 pm
Justin,

thanks a million for this lesson. Watched it some time back, been struggling like all people with the F-barre chord. Watched this video again and the small tip of putting the index finger on the fret before rolling it onto it's side instead of next to the fret made all the difference!! Success with the F barre chord........time to rock on.

Thanks again. ;D ;D
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: shreypai44 on December 03, 2011, 05:00:06 am
While writing a song, when am i supposed to use bar chords instead of open chords ?
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: shadowscott007 on December 03, 2011, 11:50:01 am
No.  Your supposed to play whatever you want.  If its a bar chord, fine.  If its an open chord fine.  What matters is what you want it to sound like.

Shadow
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: dawnjess on January 08, 2012, 11:11:51 am
Ive been tring barre chords for a few months now ( E major and minor shape and A major shape)

Its just not coming together I always on the E shape have a muted 2nd string no matter what and sometime the odd muted string elsewhere

My A shape one is goin just as bad

any advice on where im going wrong, is it just a case of practice or shall i give it up as a bad job
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: jacksroadhouse on January 08, 2012, 11:44:10 am
It's difficult to tell without seeing what you do, but I'll try:

- make sure you use that slight tilt of the index finger, it really helps, particularly in the beginning.

- Try changing the position of your index finger in realtion to the strings. You have to find a position where all the strings (or for starters at least the strings you are not fretting with your other fingers) are in a position where you can actually press them down. That might include your index finger not being perfextly straight, lots of guitarists bend their index finger a little when playing barre chords.

- Don't forget the guitar itself. What string gauge are you using? Is the action on your guitar too high? Heavy strings and/or high action can make playing barre chords extremely difficult.
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: PattheBunny on April 29, 2012, 05:44:55 pm
Oh this i just a moan I think.   I have been doing this barre chord thing for months now and I can't go from any regular chord to a barre and back again.   And I know it's just practice but I am very frustrated.  My hand hurts.  My wrist is a little unhappy.   I am missing frets altogether when I land.  This is what happens when you go too fast.   Ugh.  I just looked at Justin's first lessons on barre chords and I can do the lessons but it all goes to hell in a handbasket when I try to play a song. 

I think Justin should do a lesson just on playing slow.   So that people like me can watch it over and over again when we start to step on the gas.   I need a meditation tape or something.  Ugh.


Pat

Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: jacksroadhouse on April 29, 2012, 06:00:47 pm
Whenever I tend to go too fast practicing changes or something like that, I force myself to accept nothing but perfect accuracy (no slightly off fingertip or anything). That keeps it nice and slow until I'm ready to speed up.

A thought from what you wrote: watch out for flying finger syndrome. If you have problems landing on the spot, chances are it might be in the mix.

Btw: thanks, this is exactly the reason why I'm not that big a fan of the 1-minute-changes. I know they serve a different purpose, but this seems to be a common side effect.
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: shadowscott007 on April 29, 2012, 06:26:10 pm
I agree that you need to practice things slow and methodically.  But sometimes you just need to go for it.  So say 90% of the time you are going for slow, as perfect as possible and like 10% reckless abandon go for it do not stop on errors playing.

I think the ratio changes as you become more advanced, but slow perfect NEVER goes away.

Shadow
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: PattheBunny on April 30, 2012, 12:00:34 pm
Shock of shocks I woke up early and had Karma Police in my brain and played it and the barres were pretty good.   What the heck happened?!

Pat
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: jacksroadhouse on April 30, 2012, 12:14:44 pm
Sounds like subconscious programming. Very effective, if you can pull it off ;)
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: PattheBunny on November 04, 2012, 04:21:57 pm
I've been messing with barre chords for months. Sometimes I can get a few nicely clean.   But over the course of a song?  Ugh.

The second I try to put them into a song, by the second verse or so I have taken the guitar by the neck and swung it towards me with my forearm so that I am virtually crushing the guitar to my bosom.   I have to fight to keep the guitar away from my body.  I know it's because my bicep is trying to get into the act but it's horrible and the most tremendous struggle I've had so far with proper positioning.     I have to push the guitar with my fretting hand -- feels like with my thumb -- to keep it away.  There is a ton of tension in my torso and there is no way I can even see the fret board when this goes on, I am trying too hard to keep it level or away from me.   It's like I am possessed or something, and my body is totally doing things my conscious mind is simple confounded by.

This is somewhat of a nightmare because then I just want to play the open version of the chord and I go backwards.   Ugh again.

Can somebody tell me this is just a phase?  I feel like I need a tranquilizer to play these...

Pat
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: Bootstrap on November 04, 2012, 08:16:47 pm
Pat - it's just a phase :)

Most important part is to position your thumb correctly so I aligns between your 2 middle fingers (not your index finger)

And just keep playing even if all the notes don't ring out correctly.

Next phase = competence :)
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: allanhu on November 07, 2012, 10:20:42 pm
 Hi.
  I have just started stage 9 in the beginners course and although I have the sus chords sorted, there is a chord in the bridge of Better Be Home Soon that is killing me. Bb. Please please can anyone help. I thought full bar F was bad, but this one is much worse.
 Thanks.
 Allan.
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: shadowscott007 on November 07, 2012, 10:30:35 pm
How are you trying to play the Bb?  Bars with the first and third finger, or trying to use fingers 2, 3, 4 for each note on the strings four three and two?

Shadow
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: allanhu on November 07, 2012, 10:40:21 pm
Hi Shadow.
 Bar with my first finger with just the tip touching the sixth string, and mini bar with my third finger on 2nd 3rd and 4th strings. I cannot get three fingers into one fret as they are a bit chubby.
 Allan.
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: shadowscott007 on November 07, 2012, 10:46:09 pm
Good, that is the easier way.  Best way to practice that shape (and the more difficult version for that matter) is to take it up to say the seventh fret (E) get it working, go down to sixth fret get it working and repeat that until you get all the way down to the first fret.

Shadow
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: FChris on November 30, 2012, 05:27:35 pm
Probably someone else asked this already (thinking of the 22 pages of posts) but I did not find an appropriate answer for myself.

My problem is that when I try a barre chord my fingers keep slipping torward the fret of the barre, mostly the second finger. With an E-Shape barre chord this is only  a little nuisance, it just does not sound as clean, but when I try other barres I don't stand a chance to get my fingers down as I should, since they start slipping torward the barre as soon as I try.

I am doing those finger gyms of justin but sometimes I am not sure if they actually have any effect, it kinda feels that at least half of the time I rather train my wrists dexterity instead of my fingers.

Any tips? Or at least something like a time schedule? How long did it take you in the beginning to do barres, until you could use them in songs?
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: Bootstrap on November 30, 2012, 11:17:43 pm
FChris, for many people it takes a long time to be comfortable with barre chords.

In my experience the most crucial aspect has usually been thumb position. Most people benefit from having their thumb perpendicular to the neck and aligning the thumb opposite the middle 2 fingers - this allows comfortable grip and maximum finger span.

Also try practicing down around the 5th to 7th fret where it is a bit easier to build your confidence.

It can take up to a year or so to be able to confidently switch from open chord shapes to variations (maj, min, 7th) on E & A barre chord shapes (most commonly used) and between shapes.

One thing I did was use E & A barres to play songs that I'd learned as simple open chords. This had 2 effects - I quickly improved as it was a way of doing interesting mass practice; and I learned the notes on the 6th and 5th string (root notes) which till that time I'd struggled a bit with.

Good luck.

Boots :)
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: Deacon022 on December 26, 2012, 01:13:43 am
Hello,

I have been trying the barre F for two weeks and I still can't get the B string consistently.  Does this take a long time or should I have had this by two weeks already?  Not surprisingly I can play the F perfect on an electric, but as I have been told, an electric guitar is like driving a car with power steering.

I can play the F pretty consistently on an acoustic if my first finger is about an inch over the neck.  I know Justin said that is not a good thing.

Anyway, my question is should I have gotten this already and move on to the small f or stick with it?  Just starting to get a little disappointed, I was flying along, but now I am stuck.

Thanks all.
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: misterg on December 27, 2012, 01:02:46 pm
...should I have gotten this already and move on to the small f or stick with it?  Just starting to get a little disappointed, I was flying along, but now I am stuck.

 ;D

Hi - *everybody* goes through this - stick with it, it's a 'rite of passage' for guitar players.

Two weeks is no time, really. There's nothing to stop you carrying on with other things while you're working on it, though.

Andy
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: FChris on January 06, 2013, 01:22:04 pm
Just as some kind of encouragement for others maybe or as some feedback.

I am practising on the big F since early or mid November (I can't remember really though).
At some point I was able the make it sound good and move fast to it, but at some point I just was not able to do anything else with it (move back to other chords and such). I figured that it was because I was twisting my whole hand to make the B-String sound.

So I started all over again, with tons of frustration on my back. I was training my fingers to be able to stretch more and get more strength and just last week I was able to make it sound good again. Now I have to do minute changes again. But still it had a great sense of achievement when I was able to make it sound again. It feels quite rewarding.

In the end it seems that it does not matter how long you practice as long as it is less than 6 month I guess. What I figured for myself is, that I plan to keep on playing guitar for a lot of years, so what do a few month matter ;-)

Btw, thanks for the encouragement for anybody else who knew how to do it and answering here :-)
Title: Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
Post by: Lucky Tim on December 08, 2013, 06:22:21 pm
I am having some hope on the big F barre chord here.
Daily practice is strengthening hand to repetitively make the shape. (very important for me)
Manually stretching fingers, changing angle, and remembering that even stage 2 changes were way below 60 a minute when I started also helps. At 2 weeks in I get about 30 changes a minute; to me this is important because when I started I thought this would take me 2 years.
Another help for me is this goal; I want to play Mr Jones and am starting to get the sound, this is my reward for hard work.
Goals and songs I love make learning easier for me.
Drudgery and songs I don't like kills my spirit and desire.
Progress and making cool sounds is like gas on my fire.