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Title: TR-004 • The Importance Of Transcribing
Post by: justinguitar on June 17, 2007, 12:08:44 pm
This thread is for question on justin's lesson on transcribing. If you wanna discuss the problem in Sudan (Darfur) then go to the Just Chatting Forum.

Before too many people ask - I will be doing a new lesson on transcribing hints very soon (Maybe today!).

Thanks

J

Lesson Link: http://www.justinguitar.com/en/TR-004-ImportantTranscribe.php
Title: Lesson YT 100 - Questions on Transcribing
Post by: Nathan on June 24, 2007, 11:19:47 pm
Hey
It's a great idea

It just seems hard  :)
so i didn't practice transcribing at all

Tried just to find the notes I'm singing while playing
I heard that singing the notes can help a lot
I guess the video will help

Good luck :)
Title: Lesson YT 100 - Questions on Transcribing
Post by: Paul on June 26, 2007, 06:42:59 pm
By learning to sing in tune you're training your ear to recognise what the notes you're singing are supposed to sound like, and if you can find the notes in your voice then it would make sense that it was then a hell of a lot easier to find the same notes on your instrument.
Title: transcribing the troggs - wild thing
Post by: angelfire on June 27, 2007, 11:54:34 am
Hey Justin, am just starting transcribing. THe troggs seemed an easy place to start, I think I can only hear three chords in it. It doesn't sound quite right with open chords, would I be going in the wrong direction trying some barre chords? I think I already know the answer is to try it! Cos I don't want to look up the chords!

Anyway thanks for the website, has taken me into a more structured way of learning.

Take carex
Title: Lesson YT 100 - Questions on Transcribing
Post by: bahaal on June 28, 2007, 06:34:45 pm
I think this is the best place to put this question so here it goes.

I've always loved the song dear mr president, but I ain't sure if this would be a good choice to start transcribing.

I've managed to find some small bits but I ain't getting close to the big picture I think :)
I've cheated a little trying to find the right tune and I've noticed in the video he has a capo on the 3rd fret (not sure if its regular E tuning tho)

To me it sounds like he starts off with a regular G chord and then strums the bottom strings a few times before he does a hammer on flickoff on the second fret on the G string and then switches to a chord (200233) not sure of its name but I guess its some B chord :p

The chorus sounds like C Am G to me.

Tell me the truth, am I even close? :D
Title: Lesson YT 100 - Questions on Transcribing
Post by: justinguitar on June 28, 2007, 06:44:16 pm
sorry dude but I don't know the song :(

new lesson on transcribing for beginners I uploaded yesterday...

J
Title: Lesson YT 100 - Questions on Transcribing
Post by: bahaal on June 28, 2007, 08:06:38 pm
hard to believe for a person with such beliefs in political injustice doesn't know this song :)

I'd say http://youtube.com/watch?v=6DEh0eSpNvY check it out.

I have a feeling you'll like it :D

edit: I don't seem to find that new video about transcribing you spoke off :( I only found the 100th YT video
Title: Lesson YT 100 - Questions on Transcribing
Post by: Quark on June 28, 2007, 08:13:34 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xt4H2zQjNBM

Try this!

W
Title: Lesson YT 100 - Questions on Transcribing
Post by: Cozza on June 28, 2007, 08:13:43 pm
Beat me to it... LOL

Cara xx
Title: Lesson YT 100 - Questions on Transcribing
Post by: bahaal on June 28, 2007, 08:39:14 pm
thx guys
Title: Lesson YT 100 - Questions on Transcribing
Post by: rick on June 28, 2007, 08:57:44 pm
I just watched the 'Dear Mr President' video (didn't know it)

I would really like to know the answers to her questions:

Quote
What do you feel when you see all the homeless on the street?
Who do you pray for at night before you go to sleep?
What do you feel when you look in the mirror?
Are you proud?

How do you sleep while the rest of us cry?
How do you dream when a mother has no chance to say goodbye?
How do you walk with your head held high?
Can you even look me in the eye
And tell me why?



the acoustic guitar is nice, too. Perhaps I'll try to transcribe it....

@bahaal: Do you use a capo? In the video you can see that he's using one (think it's a Kyser btw ;) ) on the third? fret....
Title: Lesson YT 100 - Questions on Transcribing
Post by: justinguitar on June 28, 2007, 10:07:20 pm
nice song :)

Not quite as potent to me as Masters Of War by Dylan - but very cool.

The "mystery chord" TAB: 2 x 0 2 3 3 - is D with and F# bass...

And you are pretty much right on - the C chords are C add 9 - you kinda leave your 3rd finger down on 3rd fret 2nd string for most of the tune...

But you doing great mate...

ok - I'm off for a beer...
Title: Lesson YT 100 - Questions on Transcribing
Post by: Trish on June 30, 2007, 07:16:22 pm
i know i should start easy, but that's too unlike me.....

question:  is it possible, or how do you transcribe a song to acoustic if the original is done in piano?  example:  billy joel's song *honesty*.  how would i go about it?  i know, step 1, transcribe some easy guitar songs first, but let's *pretend* i did that already.  it's the songs that aren't done on guitar that i want to play on guitar.  is that such a crying shame????
Title: Lesson YT 100 - Questions on Transcribing
Post by: bahaal on June 30, 2007, 10:14:29 pm
I am making progress on this :D

thx justin for the way you handled the 'times like these' song.  It motivated me to transcribe it using the chords you gave me and it worked :D (had a bit of trouble placing the F#m tho in the beginning)

This must be the song so far I've learned the fastest ever :D not even using tabs

I hope you'll consider doing future songs like this one, giving us the chords first and give us some time to work it out

I reckon this is a pretty easy song to transcribe considering A. You gave the chords and B. its not a hard progression but still
transcribed and learned the song in less than 10 minutes :D
Title: Lesson YT 100 - Questions on Transcribing
Post by: rick on June 30, 2007, 11:06:18 pm
Quote from: "bahaal"
It motivated me to transcribe it using the chords you gave me and it worked :D


Same here! I only had an E chord at the very end. It sounds okay too, I think....

Thanks for the lesson and it's a great song btw! Lookin forward to more transcribing lessons ;)

@Trish: If you just want a play-along-version for guitar you could transcribe the voice-part and then find chords to it.
Title: Lesson YT 100 - Questions on Transcribing
Post by: Nolita on July 01, 2007, 05:15:54 pm
Hey Trish;

 Are you using some sort of software to slow the song down?  Take it down to about 75% speed(maybe slower, but since it's a ballad 75% should be plenty).  Then listen.  For the intricate little bits(I think they're arpeggiated, but not sure), fingerpicking.  Find the notes and when it's time to play, use your fingers(okay so really it's your choice but fingerpicking would keep it nice and soft - balladesque if you will).  

I know how it is I'm getting answers right in Functional Ear Trainer now(so it's just a matter of memorizing all the frets and shapes, and not just using numbers).  Will share.  Maybe it's different for different ears though?  Anyway, the program plays three chords.  Those three chords all have root notes in the game(buttons).(as you advance though, you can add more buttons, and customize and stuff).  So really, what's happening, and I only just realized it.  Is that the game plays the chords.  My ear hears them, but also picks out the root notes.  I hit the right root note's button and score in the game.  I don't know why I can just hear them(most of the time, tend to be somewhere in the 90%s, hope that's not worse than it sounds, I've no idea how to find out).  I just can.  But now I know exactly what I'm hearing and the way I'm hearing it.

So my hypothesis(and I've no answer as I'm not an expert), is that if you use an application to slow down "Honestly", and listen.  You'll know the chords from their root notes.  You'll just know them.  I'll give it a go if you like.  I was told that if I mic my amp, it's the best way to record my guitar on the computer(though I heard if I turn all the knobs down to 0 and slowly adjust them, keeping them very low, I can plug the amp into the computer).  I could just try for the first bit, up to and including the chorus(I get lost when we're talking barres I know what they look like on paper, but while listening I admit to getting a bit lost, that's why my little twinkle experiment was so sloppy).  Then upload it into my yahoo briefcase.  

If it sounds right to you, then yeah.  That's how you do it.  Just slow it down to about 75% maybe slower(depends on what you need), and listen to the chords.  Listen for them and you'll hear the root notes.

I just mean if you want it to sound more like on the album than a strum-along.  :)  Both are good, it's up to you really.
Title: Lesson YT 100 - Questions on Transcribing
Post by: Trish on July 01, 2007, 07:01:26 pm
do you have links for that game and the software that slows things down?
Title: Lesson YT 100 - Questions on Transcribing
Post by: Paul on July 01, 2007, 08:24:42 pm
http://www.seventhstring.com/xscribe/overview.html?a=48

Extremely useful.  :)
Title: Lesson YT 100 - Questions on Transcribing
Post by: Trish on July 01, 2007, 09:29:52 pm
i feel so guilty that i'm going to confess it.  i went to border's and bought a billy joel songbook.  i had a coupon...

don't hate me ya'll.....    :cry:
Title: Lesson YT 100 - Questions on Transcribing
Post by: Nolita on July 02, 2007, 04:57:17 pm
Hehe, just keep buying songbooks, then wonder where the money for new guitars went.  Sorry couldn't resist.  But at least you know the music's good in the published book...

Here's the link for functional ear trainer http://www.miles.be/  When you get really advanced you can buy the fanciest version.  But the first two are totally free.  They really are like a little game though.

Oh and here's the slow-down/pitch change/vocals-removal app thingie http://www.xs4all.nl/~mp2004/bp/  Might as well see if you'll even be using such an app before buying one.

I have a freeware slowdown app, so haven't even tried the x-scribe app.  It might be even better for all I know, but space on my harddrive's limited.

Not sure if I explained how Functional Ear Trainer works.  Plays a series of chords.  Then it plays a root note from one of the chords.  You have to figure out which note it is just from the sound clues + available buttons.
Title: another transcribing question
Post by: steveyboyuk on July 03, 2007, 06:24:07 pm
Hey Justin, i've appreciated your thoughts on the importance of transcribing and have been trying to tackle it. Working down your list of suggested songs.

I don't think i have a great ear for picking out notes- in fact i'm sure i don't. Still, since trying to transcribe a bit, in the last week or two, i find i can often get a good idea of what the basic chords are if i kinda hum the song in my head. like the song 'all the small things', i'd hummed it in my head and thought it was something like c,g f. And it was. Although, i did notice that when i tried to do the same with the intial part of REM's 'everybody hurts' the key was slightly different, though the relationship of the notes seemed the same. What i hadn't realised with the blink song was the need to use power chords until i read your help notes. I even had to then look up what power chords were! It's a good learning curve though.

Anyway, my bigger problem is that when i try to actually listen for the notes in the song i struggle sometimes filtering out the guitar part. Is this common? Should i be concentrating on the moment in getting the general gist of the song down, and then later refine it? Or should i be practising right now in listening to the song, and trying to distinguish the guitar chords? Or maybe it's a mixture of both.

Thanks for your help, you're a star.
Title: Lesson YT 100 - Questions on Transcribing
Post by: justinguitar on July 05, 2007, 08:20:53 pm
hearing the guitar just takes practice.

As you do it more you will start to block out the other instruments or vocals and focus on one thing.

It's cool cos it also means you can focus on other stuff like drums or percussion and get deeper into the music :)


I don't mind Trish buying songbooks but BILLY JOEL..... death penalty :)

J
Title: Lesson YT 100 - Questions on Transcribing
Post by: Trish on July 05, 2007, 11:27:22 pm
Quote from: "justinguitar"


I don't mind Trish buying songbooks but BILLY JOEL..... death penalty :)

J


i was sad.  
http://youtube.com/watch?v=rgmJ1miBzek
Title: More from me
Post by: steveyboyuk on July 08, 2007, 10:15:49 pm
Thanks Justin, i'll keep persevering. It's quite exciting the propect that i could actually begin to improve my playing! I've taken your advice and am trying to do a little each day. Strumming with a metronome and working through your lessons, and thinking about transcribing songs rather than just reading them out of a book (which is what i've always done). Ooooh, i also bought the capo your recommended and my guitar now boasts the presence of dr strings!

Thanks for you help anyway, you're a little star. You do seem a pretty cool guy, yep. And thanks too for sending me an email- that was kind of you. Have fun on the tour. I do like Katie Melua's music, and am really looking forward to your updates on what tour life is like.  :D

Erm, oh the billy joel thing. C'mon he's not so bad! I don't have any of his records and have not really listened to a great deal of his music, but he has done some nice stuff- you shouldn't feel embarrassed. A bit of trivia: i heard Pink saying she was a bit of a fan of billy joel, and i believe he sang 'always a woman' at her wedding.
As an aside, this guy on utube does some really nice covers, with a few of them being billy joel, search for fargenbastich. I like him anyway. I've just heard a great one from him of rocky mountain high by Denver. He's good.

ME
Title: Lesson YT 100 - Questions on Transcribing
Post by: poely92 on July 12, 2007, 10:58:21 am
I've transcribed my first song :) . I just have to know if I had it right. Because I was watching friends and than phoebe was playing smelly cat and I knew the chords from wild thing so plz tell me if Im right.      

E,E,A,A,D,A,E      thats what I thougt it was plz tell me if Im right or wrong
Title: Lesson YT 100 - Questions on Transcribing
Post by: Nolita on July 16, 2007, 01:56:56 pm
A bit of formating help...

If you have a really long link, here's how you post it so it doesn't do that scrolling thing(which can throw folks off):

Code: [Select]
[url=yoururlhere.com]Name of what you're sharing[/url]

That way your post stays nice and tidy :).

Oh BTW, no offense; but I think you answered your own question.  You said yourself what he trasncribed is right for the original version.  So it stands to reason he transcribed it from the original version of the song.  Doubting we'll get an official verdict on the matter for awhile.  Call me crazy but I expect he's very busy with the tour and will be exhausted for a day or 4 when he gets home.  That's just how I figure it.  Then again maybe he runs to an internet cafe every chance he gets.  

Back to the Billy Joel controversy.  Here's a bit of a funny.  I just had a random memory, from one of those Behind The Music type shows.  The song Piano Man was apparently transcribed wrong.  So when Billy goes to a restaraunt or bar where there's a piano, the "piano man" plays the song as transcribed.  But one note's wrong.  It makes Billy cringe a bit every time  :lol:
Title: Lesson YT 100 - Questions on Transcribing
Post by: justinguitar on September 02, 2007, 01:13:34 pm
I think the smelly cat chords are right :) lol

J
Title: Lesson YT 100 - Questions on Transcribing
Post by: Cozza on September 02, 2007, 05:23:56 pm
:lol: Got to love Phoebe's playing- she's as crap as me now that's saying something! :lol:

Peace!
Cara xx
Title: Lesson YT 100 - Questions on Transcribing
Post by: Cliff on February 08, 2008, 10:23:37 pm
Hello,

Firstly, thank you for this lesson. This is a very helpful lesson that is helping me move out of a rut I've been having in my practices.

But...

A question that keeps on coming up when I try to plan my practice is how to go about deciding which songs should be BBQ songs for my repertoire and which I should try to transcribe. I can see that a song I transcribe fully would basically be incorporated into my repertoire but every BBQ song I can think of tends to seem better fitted for  transcription. How do I choose which songs to put into repertoire time and which to put into transcription time?

Cliff
Title: Re: Lesson YT 100 - Questions on Transcribing
Post by: unleash on May 21, 2008, 10:46:31 pm
do you have any tips on transcribing solos?
Title: Re: TR-004 • The Importance Of Transcribing
Post by: justinguitar on July 19, 2008, 06:51:29 pm
got more stuff planned, but still to busy - it is on the to-do list... :)

J
Title: Re: TR-004 • The Importance Of Transcribing
Post by: guitar_albo on October 10, 2008, 08:15:01 pm
Hi Justin: Thanks again for this whole site. I'm following your advices and I'm trying to transcribe some songs (In fact it's fun, despite I was sure it was boring). Since I'm an beginner-intermediate player like to play fast solos, but they sound like crap so I take a "step back" to take "two steps forward" later. I started transcribing summer of 69' (Bryan Adams) chords and I got them pretty quickly, so I tried and move to something of Journey lead guitar. Amazingly (for me at least) I have an 80% of "When you love a woman" solo and fills, but because this song have a piano throughout, it's difficult to me get the chords down (irony get the solo but not the chords?). I've tried many combinations and I get nothing. So I would be really grateful if you (or anyone here) help me to figure out:

1.- Maybe I'm out of tune?? I'm using standard tuning (like Neal Schon does), but maybe just this song Neal Schon uses a different tuning.
2.- Maybe I suck in this and should give up guitar (hope not  :'( )??
3.- If question 1 is false... Should  I try to get the chords using a capo?? I don't have a capo, so I didn't tried this before.
4.- In general... how can you realize that there is a capo in a song?? If I understand well, a capo makes you sound 1 semitone higher for each fret you have behind it (hope it's clear)

I hope I didn't bother you

Regards from Chile (South America)
Title: Re: TR-004 • The Importance Of Transcribing
Post by: Laban on November 11, 2008, 05:35:49 pm
I've been playing guitar for around 2 months, and I want to start learning to transcribe. But I only have a old acostic nylon stringed guitar, and most of the songs I can think of use a steel stringed guitar, and that will make it a lot harder now wont it? Should I try to transcribe all the songs I know that use steel stringed guitar, or try to look up some songs played with nylon strings? Now I'm buying an electric guitar after christmas, I could just wait til' then to start transcribing.
Title: Re: TR-004 • The Importance Of Transcribing
Post by: desy2478 on January 15, 2009, 12:15:47 am
Hi Laban

It may make it a little harder as nylon strings have a slightly different sound to them but......if you have it tuned correctly the notes will be just the same and there's no reason you can't go ahead and have a go at transcribing. I strongly recommend that you get some kind of device to help you get it in tune properly. I have an electronic tuning device just check it will work with your guitar. With practice you can do it by ear but there's no point learning on an out of tune guitar.

Good Luck!
Title: Re: TR-004 • The Importance Of Transcribing
Post by: desy2478 on January 15, 2009, 12:28:35 am
Advice needed on where to play chords.

I'm transcribing the Stone Roses Song 'Ten Storey Love Song'. I figured out all the chords in their most common and easiest to play positions and now I'm working on the lead parts. I just completed the intro lead which is followed by the chord (and song key) of D major. The song chords appear throughout the song and are strummed occaisionally by Squire between twidly bits. Should I play these chords in their conventional positions or, using the caged system is it better to play them further up the neck near to where the next solo part is. I've noticed that many guitarists do this but don't know why.

Thanks
Title: Re: TR-004 • The Importance Of Transcribing
Post by: andrew29 on January 25, 2009, 02:18:24 am
i am wondering if anyone has some some beginner solos to transcribe for beginners
thanks andrew
Title: Re: TR-004 • The Importance Of Transcribing
Post by: MBGoose on August 08, 2009, 05:04:34 pm
You have inspired me to transcribe Justin!
Title: I AM SO HAPPY!!
Post by: chubacha7 on July 06, 2010, 06:33:12 pm
you convinced me to start transcribing Justin  and that i thank you! .. 2 days transcribing and i am like a maniac ( in a good way ) :P cant stop transcribing. Its crazy how i'd check your site daily/weekly to see if you posted new songs or lessons. Now i can figure songs myself :) .. Picked up the ''Art'' quickly :)

Thank you ..
Title: Re: TR-004 • The Importance Of Transcribing
Post by: Yogen on June 27, 2012, 12:45:39 am
How fast or slow should I go? I got the 5 exercises on  TR-105 (the pentatonic) kind of fast (less than a week and justin said it could maybe take a couple of weeks),  I'm still waiting for the answer sheets though, but I'm 90% sure I'm correct. I will try to be 100% sure, don't worry.

I think I got the exercise a bit "easy" because I kind of relied on my memory (which notes are located on which frets) of the minor pentatonic.

Anyways, is it ok to go at this pace or should I "rest" a little while, or go through all of them again?

I'm asking because I don't want to have problems on the long-run, a bad ear or something.

Thanks

P.S I actually have a pretty hard time when trying to transcribe other songs, but maybe it's because is full of distorsion and too fast?