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Title: BS-308 • What's Up - 4 Non Blondes
Post by: justinguitar on August 20, 2012, 09:02:34 am
Lesson Link:  http://www.justinguitar.com/en/BS-308-WhatsUp-4NonBlondes.php

Questions?
Title: Re: BS-308 • What's Up - 4 Non Blondes
Post by: SabyasachiK on December 12, 2012, 06:00:15 pm
I have a observation that whenever Justin plays G chord he is using only 2nd and 3rd finger and does not place the 1st finger in 2nd fret 5th string. Why is it so.
Title: Re: BS-308 • What's Up - 4 Non Blondes
Post by: stitch101 on December 12, 2012, 06:12:30 pm
He is muting the B note on the A string. You can play the G with or with out the B on the second string
because the open B string is being played. With out the B on the A string it sounds a little softer.
There is a post on the different ways of playing the G chord in the General Questions section if you're
interested.
http://justinguitarcommunity.com/index.php?topic=31162.0
Title: Re: BS-308 • What's Up - 4 Non Blondes
Post by: Chantal on December 12, 2012, 07:44:00 pm
Also, playing G that way makes the move to Am easier :)
Title: Re: BS-308 • What's Up - 4 Non Blondes
Post by: PinkPrincess on February 20, 2013, 06:21:36 pm
Hi everyone, What a wonderful site :)
I am learning this song and Justin says to write the song down to help learn the strumming pattern/chords etc. I have never written out a song and wondering if anyone has any tips to get the chords right with the words and strum patterns
Thank you in advance
Title: Re: BS-308 • What's Up - 4 Non Blondes
Post by: goeters on February 20, 2013, 08:51:49 pm
...if anyone has any tips to get the chords right with the words and strum patterns
Thank you in advance

The words, chords and strum patterns are all in the beginner's songbook. If you purchase it you will be supporting this great website and have all the info you are asking for, for this song and many other great songs  8)
Title: Re: BS-308 • What's Up - 4 Non Blondes
Post by: PinkPrincess on February 20, 2013, 09:13:07 pm
Thank you I have seen the justinguitar.com beginners course book in my local music shop good price too £16.95. I will have to get it :)
Title: Re: BS-308 • What's Up - 4 Non Blondes
Post by: johnR on February 20, 2013, 09:51:17 pm
order through this site and it is cheaper and also helps to keep the site running, i ordered mine last week and only waited a few days before i recieved it. excellent service  ;)
Title: Re: BS-308 • What's Up - 4 Non Blondes
Post by: stitch101 on February 20, 2013, 10:05:05 pm
Thank you I have seen the justinguitar.com beginners course book in my local music shop good price too £16.95. I will have to get it :)

You want the Justin Guitar Beginner Song book for the music. http://www.justinguitar.com/en/PR-102-BeginnersSongbook.php
Title: Re: BS-308 • What's Up - 4 Non Blondes
Post by: chris goss on February 25, 2013, 02:03:20 am
I'm trying to learn this song using the strum pattern in the book.  When Justin explains the song in the verse he uses easy down strums of 4 strums / beats per chord for one bar and switches to the next chord in the progression.  Not sure if that's how your supposed to play it if your not using the more complicated pattern or are you supposed to play each chord for two bars no matter what.  When he plays the suggested strum pattern in the chorus he plays it strumming each chord for two bars.  Question is does the verse also get two-bars pattern for each chord? 
Title: Re: BS-308 • What's Up - 4 Non Blondes
Post by: Cal on February 25, 2013, 02:41:24 am
Not sure if that's how your supposed to play it if your not using the more complicated pattern or are you supposed to play each chord for two bars no matter what.  When he plays the suggested strum pattern in the chorus he plays it strumming each chord for two bars.  Question is does the verse also get two-bars pattern for each chord?
Yes.  The complete song uses the same progression throughout.  So, with Justin's suggested chords it's:

|G  |G  |Am |Am |C  |C  |G  |G  |

repeated right through 'til the end.

Play along with 4 Non Blondes (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EfyhTUmSNcU) on YouTube (with your capo on fret 2 of course).  ;)
Title: Re: BS-308 • What's Up - 4 Non Blondes
Post by: effectivepull on May 19, 2013, 02:01:49 am
Hi Guys!

I'm new here and trying to figure out this guitar thing!

I just purchased the Beginner's Songbook, 2nd Edition and I'm trying to learn What's Up. However, for this song, there are no chords over the lyrics like a lot of the other songs in the book. I think it's because it's the same progression throughout the song but it's still a bit more difficult (at least for me) to not have the chords above the lyrics.

Is there a place I can go that will tell me on what words the chords change for this song?

Thanks!
Title: Re: BS-308 • What's Up - 4 Non Blondes
Post by: OzzieDave on May 27, 2013, 01:11:48 am
 :)
I stuggled with this to but remember 'listening' to the song until you work stuff out is a big part of the lesson. It's not just about learning a song. It's about learning a skill to take with you to the next stage.

That said the clue for me was the last post b4 yours by Cal, before then I had been changing chords every bar which did help speed up my changes just didnt 'fit' the song 8)
Title: Re: BS-308 • What's Up - 4 Non Blondes
Post by: scottplaysguitar on August 23, 2013, 11:32:54 pm
what is the sound between the chord changes on the song, I do the part where I lift up the chord and move it to the next one and strum everything open when on the 4 and but it doesn't sound quit the same and she seems to change the chord on the 4 or a little bit earlier than the 4a and in the music video she does a little note or something which is what I think I hear. anyone know "whats going on" here?
Title: Re: BS-308 • What's Up - 4 Non Blondes
Post by: Cal on August 24, 2013, 03:36:04 am
what is the sound between the chord changes on the song, I do the part where I lift up the chord and move it to the next one and strum everything open when on the 4 and but it doesn't sound quit the same and she seems to change the chord on the 4 or a little bit earlier than the 4a and in the music video she does a little note or something which is what I think I hear. anyone know "whats going on" here?
What Linda Perry does is very easy when you're using the original chords:

|A   |A   |Bm  |Bm  |D   |D   |A   |A   |

On every second A bar she plays Asus2 at &4& (which simply involves lifting the finger off the B string).
On every second D bar she plays Dsus2 at &4& (which simply involves lifting the finger off the E string).

Trying to play Gsus2 and Csus2 in those places to suit Justin's easy chord scheme would be somewhat mindblowing.  So if you really want that sound you need to practice the Bm chord then play it exactly as 4 Non Blondes do.

(Ain't it always good to have a challenge?  ;))
Title: Re: BS-308 • What's Up - 4 Non Blondes
Post by: avadon on December 01, 2013, 04:43:28 pm
the strumming that justin uses in this song sounds really good, but also there are others strumming patterns very similar to his that also sounds good,  i suppose we can use everything right? whatever feels better to us?
Title: Re: BS-308 • What's Up - 4 Non Blondes
Post by: Joerfe on December 01, 2013, 06:50:37 pm
Well, if it sounds good, it is good. However, at the beginners course you should make sure to nail the suggested pattern before experimenting with others.
Title: Re: BS-308 • What's Up - 4 Non Blondes
Post by: avadon on December 01, 2013, 07:28:59 pm
I am confused at something, when we say we have to nail a spesific technique do we mean that when a song for example says use this technique i have to use it immediately or also to know in which songs i have to use them. I say that because there are a lot of songs that  i don't know them by heart, but if i see what chord progressions i have to play and what strumming pattern to use i can play them. xmm ?
Title: Re: BS-308 • What's Up - 4 Non Blondes
Post by: stitch101 on December 01, 2013, 10:41:45 pm
If you use the right chords and the wrong strumming pattern(rhythm) you will be playing a different song.

The rhythm and melody are what makes a song and what makes it different from other song using the
same chords. 
Title: Re: BS-308 • What's Up - 4 Non Blondes
Post by: OzzieDave on December 02, 2013, 06:20:40 pm
If you use the right chords and the wrong strumming pattern(rhythm) you will be playing a different song.

The rhythm and melody are what makes a song and what makes it different from other song using the
same chords.
A+++

Do like Justin says. Use your basic 4 down strums to learn the cord pattern(s) for a song but when your feeling confident start trying the suggested strumming patterns.
I do basic 4 down on every song in a stage so far then go back to the start of the stage and practice the stumming patterns of each song with out cord changes before trying to play along to the recording. Works for me  8)
Title: Re: BS-308 • What's Up - 4 Non Blondes
Post by: jean_marmotte on January 21, 2014, 11:36:17 am
Hello everybody ;)

I am trying to learn What's up song by 4 Non Blondes following Justin's tutorial. Although I go pretty well with the strumming and changing the chords, there is a problem which I have had with previous songs that I learnt to play as well ( for example Live Forever by Oasis ). I cannot synchronise my voice with my guitar. Any advice for me?

Many thanks.
Title: Re: BS-308 • What's Up - 4 Non Blondes
Post by: sophiehiker on January 21, 2014, 12:32:45 pm
@Jean, have you seen Justin's lesson on singing and playing at the same time?  He offers up some very solid advice.  Maybe that will help.

http://www.justinguitar.com/en/TE-401-SingingAndPlaying.php (http://www.justinguitar.com/en/TE-401-SingingAndPlaying.php)
Title: Re: BS-308 • What's Up - 4 Non Blondes
Post by: DennisB on May 08, 2014, 11:01:53 am
On youtube is a nice version of this song (Linda Perry and Pink) helped me a lot with the practice of chord changing!

Title: Re: BS-308 • What's Up - 4 Non Blondes
Post by: Rossco01 on May 08, 2014, 01:53:30 pm
I love the strumming pattern on this one and have got it pretty smooth BUT trying to then sing whilst stick to that strumming pattern is pretty hard (and I don't usually find it too difficult). So I think this one is a toughy.....although I am slowly getting there. The key as ever is to be able to play it without thinking about it and then try and sing....just easier said than done.
Title: Re: BS-308 • What's Up - 4 Non Blondes
Post by: spookykcs on May 26, 2014, 02:30:56 pm
Justin himself says in the lesson that this is a tough to crack when it comes to playing and singing at the same time ... and I struggled with it a really long time. The chord progression, no problem. The strumming pattern took some time, but nailed it in the end. But each time I tried singing to it, the pattern went completely out of the window...

So I left the song for some time, trying other things.

Then one day I picked it up again - and suddenly I could do it. Now it's one of my favourite songs to play :)

So just give it the time it needs and you need. Sometimes it has to settle mentally.
Title: Re: BS-308 • What's Up - 4 Non Blondes
Post by: SiegeFrog on August 31, 2014, 06:43:03 pm
I think I still don't understand the capo. The original song uses A Bm D A, a I ii IV I progression. We don't do Bm in the BC, so Justin puts the capo on the second fret and plays G Am C G grips, still a I ii IV I progression, so we can play along with the record and use chords we've learned through Stage 3. Toward the end of the lesson, Justin mentions that he's struggling to sing because it's outside of his range; understandable, since it was originally sung by a woman. Then, he suggests moving the capo up to the fifth fret to find a more suitable range. How is moving the capo up 3 frets going to make it easier for a man to sing? I was expecting him to suggest removing the capo altogether and still play the G Am C G grips in open position. What am I missing here?
Title: Re: BS-308 • What's Up - 4 Non Blondes
Post by: Tim Mason on August 31, 2014, 06:49:01 pm
@SiegeFrog

It's not a staircase, it's a wheel.
Title: Re: BS-308 • What's Up - 4 Non Blondes
Post by: bradt on August 31, 2014, 07:57:58 pm
Also, write out the notes from the chords you are playing with the capo at the second fret. You may be surprised what chords those actually are.
Title: Re: BS-308 • What's Up - 4 Non Blondes
Post by: stitch101 on August 31, 2014, 08:02:37 pm
SiegeFrog
You don't sing in the same pitch of the guitar you sing in the same key. Moving the capo up three frets
in the key of C. So you would sing an octave lower than your guitar.
Title: Re: BS-308 • What's Up - 4 Non Blondes
Post by: SiegeFrog on August 31, 2014, 08:16:29 pm
You don't sing in the same pitch of the guitar you sing in the same key. Moving the capo up three frets
in the key of C. So you would sing an octave lower than your guitar.

I think this was the critical piece. I'm moving the capo up the neck and thinking to myself this is just getting higher. How is this helping me? So, I'm guessing that if he kept the capo at the 2nd fret and tried to sing an octave lower than the guitar then it would be too low for his range?

Also, write out the notes from the chords you are playing with the capo at the second fret. You may be surprised what chords those actually are.

So the original is A Bm D A in the key of A. By placing the capo at the 2nd fret and playing the G Am C G grips, I'm still playing the original A Bm D A chords, just different voicings. Correct? If I place the capo at the fifth fret and still play the G Am C G grips, then I'm playing C Dm F C in the key of C. Correct? Since I'm in a different key then I can't play along with the original, and I'm going to need to sing in a different octave then my guitar.

It's not a staircase, it's a wheel.

I think I have the habit of always trying to sing in the same pitch as the guitar. I do a lot of falsetto. Not well.

Thanks all. I think I have it now.
Title: Re: BS-308 • What's Up - 4 Non Blondes
Post by: Fresher on October 28, 2019, 08:53:02 pm
So, I'm in Stage 3 and I'm not really into adding up strums on the app songs, but I would like to give it a try and I want some suggestion on the pattern, specifically for the song "What's Up".

Cheers.
Title: Re: BS-308 • What's Up - 4 Non Blondes
Post by: hilts17 on October 28, 2019, 09:38:54 pm
Have you watched Justin's video lesson for this song? Halfway thru the lesson he discusses and thoroughly demonstrates the strumming pattern incorporating up strokes.
Title: Re: BS-308 • What's Up - 4 Non Blondes
Post by: Fresher on October 28, 2019, 09:57:43 pm
Oh yeah I watched the video, there's no graphic to show the pattern. I had to slow down the video to get the pattern, it's this?

↓↓↑↓↓ ↑↓↑↓↑↓↑↓↑
1   2      3   4        1      2      3      4

Ok I'm having trouble, sometimes he says the above and sometimes:

↓↓↑↓↓ ↑↓↑↓↑↑↓↑ This don't have the 4º beat in the second bar.
1   2      3   4        1      2          3

I could fix this:

↓↓↑↓↓ ↑↓↑↓↑↑↓↑
1   2      3   4        1      2       3  4

But he said the beats is only on down strums and this doesn't make sense and don't sound good.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-7wsYYY1o98

So what am I missing?
Title: Re: BS-308 • What's Up - 4 Non Blondes
Post by: Garfield on October 29, 2019, 07:02:02 am
I didn't really play this one when I was doing stage 3 but I seem to remember it's not a straight forward pattern. Maybe come back to it when you've developed a bit. If you're still struggling with chords changes then now is not the time to try and add tricky strumming.

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Title: Re: BS-308 • What's Up - 4 Non Blondes
Post by: close2u on October 29, 2019, 08:30:30 am
temp
Title: Re: BS-308 • What's Up - 4 Non Blondes
Post by: close2u on October 29, 2019, 08:40:54 am
@ Fresher

You seem to be constantly asking questions about things you can't do or don't understand - because you are constantly trying to learn and play things way beyond your ability level.
People keep advising you to just follow the beginner course and be patient.
Take it steady and learn to play the instrument properly a bit at a time.

For your benefit, and anyone else wanting it written out, tthe strum pattern is a two-bar pattern.
(https://i.imgur.com/THt2njC.jpg)

Learn it slowly, very slowly, by setting up a tempo of your own or using a metronome at a slow tempo, then play only muted hits across the strings (by resting your fretting hand on the strings, not pressing) and play the pattern over and over and over again until you have it firmly embedded in to your brain and muscles..
Then speed up a bit at a time.
Then play it with one chord and one chord only.
Then introduce a chord change.
Then try to apply it to the chord progression of the song.
This will take more than an hour - it may take days and weeks.
Title: Re: BS-308 • What's Up - 4 Non Blondes
Post by: Fresher on October 29, 2019, 05:35:09 pm
@Garfield Alright.

@close2u Well it seems that this is avanced. So I won't ask on how to play songs with up strums anymore. It's strange because it looks so easy.
Title: Re: BS-308 • What's Up - 4 Non Blondes
Post by: Garfield on October 29, 2019, 07:42:48 pm
@Garfield Alright.

@close2u Well it seems that this is avanced. So I won't ask on how to play songs with up strums anymore. It's strange because it looks so easy.
You can play upstrums but maybe start a bit slower than this pattern. Stage 3 has a rythym guitar lesson with the pattern dddud. Start with that, then in stage 4 it's a different pattern. Justin keeps introducing things slowly and that's the way to tackle the guitar.

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Title: Re: BS-308 • What's Up - 4 Non Blondes
Post by: Fresher on November 11, 2019, 07:06:08 pm
I tried to use the pattern that Justing shows in the video and something is not right :-X

https://soundcloud.com/user-425507417/2019-11-11-16-01-061a/s-u3w3X

Don't kill me, I'm just having fun, it's all about having fun ;)

Capo on the 2º fret.