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Title: BS-201 • A Girl Like You - Edwyn Collins
Post by: justinguitar on February 14, 2012, 10:38:31 am
Lesson Link: http://www.justinguitar.com/en/BS-201-AGirlLikeYou-EdwynCollins.php

Q's
Title: Re: BS-201 • A Girl Like You - Edwyn Collins
Post by: algebun on March 08, 2012, 05:01:52 am
A Girl Like You. 

I can do the 'And' after '2' strum for all of verse one.  But the problem I have is when I try singing along.  I have no problems playing and singing going from Line 2 (of Verse 1) to Line 3 (of verse 1).  But that is because the Am begins on the first word.  However I have a lot of problems singing from Line 3 (of verse 1) to Line 4 (of verse 1).  That is because The Am begins on the 3rd word ('never').  I feel like I'm rushing to sing 'And I've' after the |Dm Am| is strummed but before the next |Am | is strummed.

I must be missing something because I always have trouble singing and strumming if the chord change is not on the first word of a new line 

I hope I'm not confusing you
Title: Re: BS-201 • A Girl Like You - Edwyn Collins
Post by: Dr Winterbourne on March 08, 2012, 07:31:15 am
First of all, welcome.

Second, have you seen the ustream show from last week? It is all about singing and playing at the same time.

My only advice is to either practice it more slowly, or to make sure that your guitar playing is completely on autopilot.
Title: Re: BS-201 • A Girl Like You - Edwyn Collins
Post by: jacksroadhouse on March 08, 2012, 07:44:09 am
Watch the ustream show Dr. W mentioned, it's really good!

One thing upfront: make sure that you have the rhythm of the vocals down solid before you play it with chords. Sing to a metronome beat, a drum beat, or use your guitar (strings muted) for percussion. You need to separate your chord changes from your singing, because start and finish of a line rarely go exactly with chord changes (would be rather boring, too).

I'd recommend to start with a metronome or (playback) drum beat. Once that works fine, make your own drum beat with the guitar, but mute the strings. That gets your strumming hand involved. Once that's solid, apply the chords.

Singing and playing guitar are two separate skills and they both need a lot of practice.

But don't worry, this will get a lot easier with practice.

Oh, and remember to listen to the record and sing to the record (like Justin said), so you really "get" the timing of the vocals. There are always many different ways to sing a song, but you need a place to start.
Title: Re: BS-201 • A Girl Like You - Edwyn Collins
Post by: algebun on March 08, 2012, 02:48:03 pm
do you have a link to the ustream show from last week. 

Thx
Title: Re: BS-201 • A Girl Like You - Edwyn Collins
Post by: Dr Winterbourne on March 08, 2012, 03:53:02 pm
Here you go buddy,

http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/20809686

It is the March 1st, 2012 episode.
Title: Re: BS-201 • A Girl Like You - Edwyn Collins
Post by: Riquez on April 10, 2012, 01:02:26 pm
I am having difficulty grasping if UP strums 'belong' to the preceding DOWN or not. This song is a good example.

A Girl Like You - Edwyn Collins

1~2~3~4~
D~DU~UD~

Thats how it seems, each beat is on the down strum, so therefore each UP strum 'belongs' to the previous down.

The reason I ask is that if a song, like this one, requires 2 beats on Dm & then 2 on Em - when should you change chords?
In the video Justin seems to say that you change & play Em on the 2nd UP - but to me that seems like it is before the 3rd beat.



Title: Re: BS-201 • A Girl Like You - Edwyn Collins
Post by: jacksroadhouse on April 10, 2012, 01:51:12 pm
The up-strums don't "belong" to anything, they're notes in there own right. Technically, if you play e.g. D du ud (4/4 time, counted 1 2& &4), then you're playing a quarter note on 1 (down), an 8th note on 2 (down), a quarter note (or two eigth tied over, but that's not important here) on the next "and" (up), and so on. It's just about how long you hold the note (or chord) after the strum or how much time till the next note is played.

But to answer you actual question: usually you change the chord between the up (8th note played on the "and") and the down on the next beat, so the up is on the "old" chord, the down on the new. This is the case most of the time, unless you're "pushing" the change (anticipating it by e.g. an eigth). But for now you can take it as a rule.

I hope that makes some kind of sense ;)
Title: Re: BS-201 • A Girl Like You - Edwyn Collins
Post by: Riquez on April 10, 2012, 02:14:25 pm
It doesn't make a great deal of sense, but I can sort of see what you mean. The 8ths / 4ths etc are a bit confusing for my level.

However, you seem to be agreeing with my simplistic view. I realise that 'belong' is the wrong word, but at my level I just need to know where is a good place to change chords in a strumming pattern.

1~2~3~4~
D~DU~UD~
Dm__Em__

If the above is correct, I would only play Dm as D~DU
& then change chords, Em on the final UD

Is that a fair way for me to look at it for a beginner?
Title: Re: BS-201 • A Girl Like You - Edwyn Collins
Post by: jacksroadhouse on April 10, 2012, 02:17:12 pm
Yep :)
Title: Re: BS-201 • A Girl Like You - Edwyn Collins
Post by: justinguitar on May 02, 2012, 11:33:37 am
Note that the ustream session is now a 'proper' lesson

http://www.justinguitar.com/en/TE-401-SingingAndPlaying.php
Title: Re: BS-201 • A Girl Like You - Edwyn Collins
Post by: SabyasachiK on November 23, 2012, 04:15:23 pm
I am finding it really difficult to understand the chords by listening to the track.
The main problem is its hard to catch the acoustic music in the middle of all other instruments.
Please let me the know the approach to catch the guitar playing the chords from the record.
This is not just for this song, for picking the chords in general.
Title: Re: BS-201 • A Girl Like You - Edwyn Collins
Post by: jacksroadhouse on November 23, 2012, 04:44:00 pm
I'm not sure there's much acoustic playing to be heard here, at least in the recording I have.

Generally speaking it's very difficult to filter out instruments. There are some tricks depending on how the guitar is panned in a stereo mix. Try listening to only one side, also read up on voice cancellation by phase inversion.

Sometimes you can get rid of some stuff with EQing, e.g. turning down an over-powering kick-drum / bass by filtering lower frequencies, or to filter higher frequencies to get rid of cymbals or violons. But the result is often a little doubtful. The acoustic guitar spans a wide range of frequencies and most of the time you take something out that you'll be missing.

Usually it's much easier to go on YT and to try and find an acoustic version of the song, and to play along with that. Even if you can't find anything by the original artist, chances are somebody has done the work for you.
Title: Re: BS-201 • A Girl Like You - Edwyn Collins
Post by: Sinead on April 27, 2014, 06:57:28 pm
Hello,

I've been on the beginners course for 2 months now and have been wondering about something... When playing a song like this is it essential to strum only the strings for that chord. I find it quite tricky, although I have been trying. For example in this song when you play Am only strings 1-5, Dm 1-4 and Em 1-6.

Any any advice would be appreciated!

Sinead
Title: Re: BS-201 • A Girl Like You - Edwyn Collins
Post by: Borodog on April 27, 2014, 07:16:31 pm
In an ideal world you would strum only the strings you need. Practically speaking you should be using your left hand to mute unwanted strings, like a fingertip of a fretted note to mute he next string up, or a thumb over the neck to mute the 6th string.
Title: Re: BS-201 • A Girl Like You - Edwyn Collins
Post by: Sinead on April 27, 2014, 07:40:01 pm
OK, thank you for the advice Borodog. At the moment I still look at my left hand a lot so I'm not always sure if I am strumming the right strings. I will try the muting thing!

Sinead
Title: Re: BS-201 • A Girl Like You - Edwyn Collins
Post by: bonnyy on January 16, 2016, 02:36:34 pm
I have a question concerning the melody you Justin shows at the end of video. I learned the minor pentatonic scale (stage 7 beginner course)... Can someone help me please?  :(
Title: Re: BS-201 • A Girl Like You - Edwyn Collins
Post by: shadowscott007 on January 16, 2016, 03:22:47 pm
@ bonnyy,

Well what is the question?

This page: http://www.justinguitar.com/en/SC-304-MinorPentatonicPatterns.php

This scale shape:  Pattern 1 (CAGED: E shape)

Put the RED dot on the low E string on the 8th fret. 

Put on the song and find the notes within that shape.  There is one note that is outside those notes.

Without as actual question, I answered all the questions I could think of, albeit generically.

Shadow


Title: Re: BS-201 • A Girl Like You - Edwyn Collins
Post by: SiegeFrog on January 16, 2016, 04:41:18 pm
Put your third finger on the other C note (D string 10 fret). That's your root note. All the phrases begin and end here. Like Justin says; it goes up the scale and then back down. Next, it goes up with a jump and comes back down. Finally it jumps out of the scale for one note before resolving back to the root. You could try to watch Justin's hands really closely, but you're better off listening.
Title: Re: BS-201 • A Girl Like You - Edwyn Collins
Post by: bonnyy on January 16, 2016, 04:45:01 pm
Thanks for the advice where to start.
I found the first three notes of melody. 5 string 10 fret, 4 strings 8 fret , 4 strings 10 fret  .... but at this tempo I will find the rest of melody next year .... :-P The problem is not only found on the tones but what Justin does some tricks that I did not learned in the beginner course (maybe bending? )
I finished 9 stage, but I am not confident with some thing and I start over to repeat.
I hope you understand what I'm asking. I do not speak very English well.
Title: Re: BS-201 • A Girl Like You - Edwyn Collins
Post by: SiegeFrog on January 17, 2016, 08:42:01 am
This is probably not what Justin intended, but try this. In the BC, you learn the A minor pentatonic scale. You start it with your first finger on the 6th string, 5th fret. That's the root note (A), which makes it the A minor pentatonic scale. However, there are 2 more root notes in this pattern. The second one is on the 4th string fret, 7th fret (remember this one), and the last is on the 1st string, 5th fret (just like the first one). The thing is the pentatonic pattern is movable. Justin teaches A Girl Like You with a capo at fret 3 with the Am, Dm. and Em shapes. This means that the song is really in Cm which he demonstrates using full bar chords. You can play the little solo by shifting the Am pentatonic pattern up 3 frets (like the capo) to play Cm pentatonic. Your root notes are now E8, D10 (this is the important one), and e8.

To play the riff, put your 3rd finger on D10, play that note then the next 3 notes in the scale up to B8. Then come back down from B8 back to D10. The rhythm is a little syncopated. The second phrase starts at D10 again, goes up 1 note then jumps to B11, then descends down the scale again. The third phrase is a repeat of the first phrase. The fourth phrase starts at D10 again (they all do) jumps out of the scale (G7 I think) and then ascends back to the root. I think there are only six unique notes in the whole riff and it's played entirely on the D, G, and B strings.
Title: Re: BS-201 • A Girl Like You - Edwyn Collins
Post by: bonnyy on January 17, 2016, 10:57:52 am
Thanks to instructions. :-)) That really is not complicated, I can do it! Yesterday it seemed much more difficult. Thanks again to all the advanced guitarists in the forum!!!! 
Title: Re: BS-201 • A Girl Like You - Edwyn Collins
Post by: Omar on May 09, 2016, 01:36:13 pm
In BS-201 A Girl Like You (http://www.justinguitar.com/en/BS-201-AGirlLikeYou-EdwynCollins.php), I loved the strumming technique. It makes you feel like you're a pro guitar player. I am able to strum full bar on Amin and then jump to Dmin for half bar. My problem arises when I change from Dmin (down, down) to Emin (Up, up), I lose rhythm here and become numb.

I know strumming technique is discussed/explained in later stages, but it's nice to do something different, not the normal strumming.

Any advice in this regard?

Thank you!

Title: Re: BS-201 • A Girl Like You - Edwyn Collins
Post by: Rossco01 on May 09, 2016, 02:28:30 pm
Omar If I remember rightly somewhere Justin suggests that for beginners even if they are playing a strumming pattern for full bars of a chord that for the half bars they continue to use down strums. I might of course be completely making this up but that is what I did early where I had exactly the same difficulty. It's pretty tricky early on to change chord mid bar and keep the pattern going.
Title: Re: BS-201 • A Girl Like You - Edwyn Collins
Post by: SiegeFrog on May 09, 2016, 05:46:50 pm
I am able to strum full bar on Amin and then jump to Dmin for half bar. My problem arises when I change from Dmin (down, down) to Emin (Up, up), I lose rhythm here and become numb.

I played this song when I was in Stage 2, and I agree that I got a sense of accomplishment when I got this down. The thing is this is not the easiest thing to do. The strum pattern is Old Faithful (D Du uD ). The trick is switching chords on the 'and' after 2. That's a very fast change and changing on an up strum is always a challenge. FWIW, I found the quick change Dm to Am at the end of the verse even harder than the quick change Dm to Em you mentioned.

You have a decision to make. How much time are you willing to invest in this one song? As Rossco mentioned, Justin usually recommends that Stage 2 beginners stick to 4 down strums. If you're willing to push it, you can try Old Faithful. As you've found, the easy part is getting it to work for the Am. You need to get your chord changes lightning fast (lots of 1 minute changes) and practice the strum pattern a lot. Then try to combine the two. It's just practice. No secrets.

For me, in Stage 2, I was satisfied with 4 down strums, but in Stage 3-4, I revisited the song and applied Old Faithful as my strumming improved. It was time well spent.
Title: Re: BS-201 • A Girl Like You - Edwyn Collins
Post by: tobyjenner on May 09, 2016, 06:36:18 pm
Although Justin introduces new 1/8 note patterns throughout the BC, he advises to stick with the 4 down strums until stage 8 - its in the schedule notes for each stage. Having said that if you feel confidence there's nothing wrong with attempt these new patterns.

Like Rossco and Frog I struggled with this one and had to come back to that pattern later on in the BC. My advice would be to slow it right down, painfully slow and count out load 1 & 2 & 3 & 4 & or even substitute the word up instead of &. Get used to change on the & of 2 very slowly and very gradually increase the speed. I remember asking similar questions throughout the BC and the advice was always, slow it down and then slow it down some more.

But you'll get there Omar so don't sweat it for now  8)
Title: Re: BS-201 • A Girl Like You - Edwyn Collins
Post by: Omar on August 28, 2016, 11:09:03 am
I was able to do the strumming and fast changes. That said, I still need to practice more.

I have a couple of questions:

1) In the video, the normal strumming pattern goes:
Full bar of Amin, half bar Dmin and half bar Emin.

But in the songbook it's different, I'm not sure if I'm allowed to share a snapshot of the book itself. Anyway, it goes like this:

Amin               | Dmin    Emin | Amin       | Dmin   Amin |


2) when I do "D  Du uD" strumming, do I have to mute E string with Amin and E&A strings with Dmin?

Thank you.
Title: Re: BS-201 • A Girl Like You - Edwyn Collins
Post by: SiegeFrog on August 28, 2016, 04:20:13 pm
1. Justin talks about this in the video lesson. Essentially, throughout the verse it goes Am Dm Em. Until the last line. Then it goes Am Dm Am. Watch the video lesson. Also, Justin doesn't mention it in the video, but later in the bridge the pattern switches between the two unexpectedly. This is shown in the BSB.

2. As a Stage 2 beginner, Justin advises keeping your thumb behind the neck without muting and practicing being accurate with what strings you play. Later, you will refine your technique, bring your thumb over, and mute the low E for Am and Dm. Depending on the size of your hands, you could try to mute the A for Dm as well. That's not easy to do, so it's less common. You also run the risk of fretting the note on the E string giving you a Dm/F# (sounds bad) or Dm/F (sounds good but unwanted here). See slash chords, but don't bother here.
Title: Re: BS-201 • A Girl Like You - Edwyn Collins
Post by: Omar on August 28, 2016, 07:41:56 pm
1. Justin talks about this in the video lesson. Essentially, throughout the verse it goes Am Dm Em. Until the last line. Then it goes Am Dm Am. Watch the video lesson. Also, Justin doesn't mention it in the video, but later in the bridge the pattern switches between the two unexpectedly. This is shown in the BSB.

2. As a Stage 2 beginner, Justin advises keeping your thumb behind the neck without muting and practicing being accurate with what strings you play. Later, you will refine your technique, bring your thumb over, and mute the low E for Am and Dm. Depending on the size of your hands, you could try to mute the A for Dm as well. That's not easy to do, so it's less common. You also run the risk of fretting the note on the E string giving you a Dm/F# (sounds bad) or Dm/F# (sounds good but unwanted here). See slash chords, but don't bother here.

I've watched the video many times, maybe I missed that point.

Thank you :)
Title: Re: BS-201 • A Girl Like You - Edwyn Collins
Post by: Omar on August 29, 2016, 09:55:27 am
@SiegeFrog

I watched the video again; you're right. I got confused because "E" in Spanish is pronounced "A".
Title: Re: BS-201 • A Girl Like You - Edwyn Collins
Post by: Jaminajar on February 12, 2018, 07:48:07 pm
Hi anyone out there trying this song ! I have the strumming and chord changes but cannot nail the pentatonic  scale routine for this song ! I have the first section but just can’t get the sequence right !
Thanks for any help
Jam