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Title: BS-502 • Folsom Prison Blues - Johnny Cash
Post by: justinguitar on December 22, 2011, 05:47:52 pm
Lesson Link: http://justinguitar.com/en/BS-502-FolsomPrisonBlues-JohnnyCash.php

Questions...
Title: Re: BS-502 • Folsom Prison Blues - Johnny Cash
Post by: Gibbon on December 22, 2011, 09:42:00 pm
The songbook says capo 1:st fret, altough you didn't mention it or use it in the video`?
Title: Re: BS-502 • Folsom Prison Blues - Johnny Cash
Post by: knighty 1 on January 05, 2012, 06:20:37 pm

   Theres no way i'm gonna i'll be able to pick ,n strum that fast :'(

  :)
Title: Re: BS-502 • Folsom Prison Blues - Johnny Cash
Post by: jacksroadhouse on January 05, 2012, 07:03:09 pm
Giving up already? Where's your pride? Where's your sense of adventure?

Seriously, today's impossible is often tomorrows yawn (well, maybe not yawning here, but still). So keep at it, nice and slow, and before you know you'll be there. You might want to start without the up-stroke (that can be the killer at this speed), and take it from there.
Title: Re: BS-502 • Folsom Prison Blues - Johnny Cash
Post by: knighty 1 on January 31, 2012, 11:39:30 pm
 >:( i never give up you crazy fool ;)
 i know what to do jack ,but i've got the beginers prob of ,i want it now.
 Plus i'm trying to learn to many songs at once
   But thanks for your kick up the xx--xx :-*
Title: Re: BS-502 • Folsom Prison Blues - Johnny Cash
Post by: sophiehiker on February 12, 2012, 05:30:19 pm
The songbook says capo 1:st fret, altough you didn't mention it or use it in the video`?

For what it's worth... I found I could play along with the record (studio version) with the capo on the second fret.

Title: Re: BS-502 • Folsom Prison Blues - Johnny Cash
Post by: justinguitar on February 14, 2012, 11:16:30 am
Pretty sure I checked when we did the book and to play along with the most common recording it's capo on the 1st fret.

 but Johnny played a lot different ways and if you check out several recordings you'll find some with the capo and some without.

 if I remember right I just thought that was easier  to sing the song in open position.
Title: Re: BS-502 • Folsom Prison Blues - Johnny Cash
Post by: surlyguitar on June 09, 2012, 09:23:24 pm
The Beginner Songbook is wrong in terms of the number of bars it shows.   

On Justin's lesson he specifically says it is 8xE,4xA,4xE,4xB7,2xE - and this is what I hear when I listen to the song.

The songbook shows 4xE,2xA,2xE,2xB7,2xE.   The only part that has the correct number of bars is the Guitar Solo part.
Title: Re: BS-502 • Folsom Prison Blues - Johnny Cash
Post by: TB-AV on June 09, 2012, 09:27:28 pm
My book shows the correct chords.
Title: Re: BS-502 • Folsom Prison Blues - Johnny Cash
Post by: surlyguitar on June 09, 2012, 09:29:44 pm
Must be fixed in the later printings.   Mine was from the first batch.

My book shows the correct chords.
Title: Re: BS-502 • Folsom Prison Blues - Johnny Cash
Post by: tin on June 19, 2012, 02:50:06 pm
how to train the speed of the strumming :'( :'( i feel very tired of my muscle... :'( :'(
Title: Re: BS-502 • Folsom Prison Blues - Johnny Cash
Post by: jacksroadhouse on June 19, 2012, 03:24:59 pm
Practice.
Practice more.
Repeat.

And relax your arm and hand when you're playing. It's easy to cramp up when you're playing fast, but it's a very bad habit.

I feel your pain... learning "Hazard" in the acoustic version right now. Anyone got some steroids handy?
Title: Re: BS-502 • Folsom Prison Blues - Johnny Cash
Post by: watsonvillian on July 15, 2012, 08:55:23 am
how to train the speed of the strumming :'( :'( i feel very tired of my muscle... :'( :'(

I feel your pain. I have been playing about five months now, and since the second week began learning the alternate bass strumming pattern. I began doing 8 bars...pausing..then going to another chord. Once I worked my way through the first verse of this song. Then I began reducing the bars played till I was on point with the album. This style takes a long time from what I have been told. I got Mel Bay's country guitar book that has some great exercises in it. Best thing is when you get one J. Cash song you can pretty much play them all except for some of the new stuff from American recordings, which uses a lot of strange timing. Anyways, I practice 2 hours a day. I am still working out my kinks, and have added bass runs to my rendition and the solo. You just gotta practice...and start slow and improve. That is all you can do.
Title: Re: BS-502 • Folsom Prison Blues - Johnny Cash
Post by: juan pilas on October 05, 2012, 11:19:06 pm
hello! first time post, although ive been online for about 6 months now, and I bought the songbook when I went back too the UK last month. So now Im back in Mexico with the website AND the book....awesome! Anyway, gotta love Johnny, so FPB was the first song I went to 6 months ago. (I actually started learning the guitar 20 years ago, w asn´t bad, but never graduated onto bar chords so set it aside for 12 (!) years before getting motivated again earlier this year. Anyways, I digress. What I want to talk about is that bloody B7 chord; I never learned it all those moons ago, and even now, 6 months later, I still cannot for the life of me make a smooth change. I find that chord a real xx--xx! Anybody else got the same problem? Cheers!
Title: Re: BS-502 • Folsom Prison Blues - Johnny Cash
Post by: Smith on October 19, 2013, 10:42:35 am
Hi all
I'm learning this song to help get my picking accuracy better & cos it's a cool song!
My question is the alternate bass & muting, when playing B7 are you using the middle finger to mute the 6th when playing the 5th?
When I watch the vid it looks like Justin is playing alternate notes on the 5th then 6th, reason I say this is because he could do the same as the E chord & use his thumb to mute the 6th instead of his middle finger.
Also does anybody else find the capo gets in the way when playing the B7? I use my middle finger as the anchor & "swing" my other fingers into place but find the capo hits my first finger upper nuckle
Cheers
smithy

Title: Re: BS-502 • Folsom Prison Blues - Johnny Cash
Post by: sophiehiker on October 19, 2013, 02:03:03 pm
... when playing B7 are you using the middle finger to mute the 6th when playing the 5th?
Yep!

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When I watch the vid it looks like Justin is playing alternate notes on the 5th then 6th, reason I say this is because he could do the same as the E chord & use his thumb to mute the 6th instead of his middle finger.
He might be accidentally hitting the muted 6th when hunting for the 5th.

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Also does anybody else find the capo gets in the way when playing the B7? I use my middle finger as the anchor & "swing" my other fingers into place but find the capo hits my first finger upper nuckle
I sometimes move the capo further away from the fret (closer to the nut) if it gets in the way.

HTH
Title: Re: BS-502 • Folsom Prison Blues - Johnny Cash
Post by: Lucky Tim on December 01, 2013, 11:17:53 pm
I feel this strumming is a bit too advanced for me for some reason, or perhaps I'm just not into it; I really don't get it because I get the push in Mr. Jones. I get the concept of the triplet and these 7th chords are easy. I've moved on to the next stage because I don't have the blues in my soul. I feel much more comfortable with the big F bar chord and working toward songs and styles that make me feel good. I figure that I'll live with this. I may not be able to continue if I force myself into the blues, my life is the blues right now; I need Pollyanna feel good music and strumming patterns that are slower and consistent with my beginner ability. I just don't identify with any of the stage 5 songs in the videos and need the extra help offered by that format, for me it may be better to move on to stage 6, the big F, ties, and songs that I love. It's either that or I have to wallow in self pity as I contemplate quitting and turn this thing I was loving into drudgery.
I have to do what I can and not worry right now about what I can't.
Title: Re: BS-502 • Folsom Prison Blues - Johnny Cash
Post by: Bobke on December 02, 2013, 03:29:30 pm
..... I just don't identify with any of the stage 5 songs in the videos and need the extra help offered by that format, for me it may be better to move on to stage 6, the big F, ties, and songs that I love. It's either that or I have to wallow in self pity as I contemplate quitting and turn this thing I was loving into drudgery.
I have to do what I can and not worry right now about what I can't.

Hereby you are officially licenced to move to stage 6 and higher!  8)
Be lucky again, Lucky Tim.  ;)
Title: Re: BS-502 • Folsom Prison Blues - Johnny Cash
Post by: Tim Mason on December 02, 2013, 03:58:50 pm
Or you could search for songs using the same chords, but that are more to your taste. Try Searchbychords.com - http://www.searchbychords.com/ According to them, Bill Haley's Shake, Rattle and Roll, which is a fairly cheerful ditty, uses A7,D7 & E7 - and there's a lot of other songs that do as well.
Title: Re: BS-502 • Folsom Prison Blues - Johnny Cash
Post by: OzzieDave on December 02, 2013, 06:43:09 pm
Lucky Tim
From what Im reading you 'got the blues' so what better time to do some self interpritation of these songs.
I currently also have a very major reason to be blue and find that I can gain 'release' by playing these songs really free styling the strum patterns and cranking the amp(I even sing :-[) And this seems to help clear my system and lets me get on with life. Good luck and stay well  :)
Title: Re: BS-502 • Folsom Prison Blues - Johnny Cash
Post by: Lucky Tim on December 02, 2013, 08:25:31 pm
Thanks for the help, really good suggestions.
Lucky Tim
Title: Re: BS-502 • Folsom Prison Blues - Johnny Cash
Post by: slimeyflux on December 17, 2013, 10:46:47 am
Hi my first post
im 45 years old this site gives impression i really can do this,, ok so on the strumming here is he hitting the base note on the 1 strum down and the third. ie
base1
 light string 2
and up
base 3
light strings 4
and round again to base 1
hope that makes sense
Title: Re: BS-502 • Folsom Prison Blues - Johnny Cash
Post by: sophiehiker on December 17, 2013, 11:45:01 am
I think what you want is Bass note, down, and up.  Check out this page...

http://www.justinguitar.com/en/BC-175-RhythmBasics5.php (http://www.justinguitar.com/en/BC-175-RhythmBasics5.php)

Title: Re: BS-502 • Folsom Prison Blues - Johnny Cash
Post by: Pete83 on February 22, 2014, 01:29:27 pm
Jesus! The barre chords are a walk in the park compared to this bum chicka thing. When i do it it sounds like a complete mess
Title: Re: BS-502 • Folsom Prison Blues - Johnny Cash
Post by: Borodog on February 22, 2014, 02:07:38 pm
You MUST start painfully slowly, and do it for a LONG time. Like, for 3 minutes straight (ie an entire song's worth). Stay as loose and relaxed as you can. You must use a metronome.  You want the motion to become completely second nature. Slowly increase the BPM. If you are doing it at a speed where you are not completely relaxed, but it sounds good, stay at that speed until you can do it relaxed for a good 3 minutes before you bump up the speed. Explicitly relax yourself mentally.

IMO the "boom chicka" strumming is one of the hardest things to learn. I've seen guys that can shred the whole neck up and down and can't do this right because it takes so much patience and practice.
Title: Re: BS-502 • Folsom Prison Blues - Johnny Cash
Post by: thisisnotaname on March 27, 2014, 03:26:30 pm
Here's my question:
After he plays the 6th and 5th strings, he says "then play the thinner strings" but he doesn't actually say which ones. So for E, do I hit the 6th string, and then strum the 5th through 1st, or do I skip the 5th string this time, and only play it when I hit it by itself, followed by strumming 4th through 1st? I'm wondering about this for each of the chords used. Just so this is clear, I'll make a tab and hope it comes out right.
So do I basically play:

--0-0-----0-0
--0-0-----0-0
--1-1-----1-1
--2-------2----
--2----2------
0- ---------

or

--0-0-----0-0
--0-0-----0-0
--1-1-----1-1
--2-------2----
-------2------
0- ---------

And likewise for A and B7.

I'm leaning toward thinking that he skips the 5th string when playing the 6th, but then it would no longer be an E, A, and B7, and I would think he would mention that.

Anyone know for sure? Thanks!

Title: Re: BS-502 • Folsom Prison Blues - Johnny Cash
Post by: stitch101 on March 27, 2014, 04:04:42 pm
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I'm leaning toward thinking that he skips the 5th string when playing the 6th,
This gives you a more defined bass note by only playing the E then the B the next time. You can play
just the 123 strings or the 1234 strings after, which every you think sounds better.

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but then it would no longer be an E, A, and B7, and I would think he would mention that.

What make the chords is three notes For E it's E G# B By alternating the bass note you are still playing
the notes E G# and B so your still playing an E Chord same with the other two chords but the B has
a 7 but I don't think your ready for a bunch of theory at this point and theory isn't my strong suit.
Title: Re: BS-502 • Folsom Prison Blues - Johnny Cash
Post by: TB-AV on March 28, 2014, 04:29:43 am
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Anyone know for sure? Thanks!

Playing the alternating bass in folk/country is very popular if that is what you are asking. You can get by without it. Some will ask it of you. Others will demand it.

So it's low string note then strum, next lower string note, then strum.. repeat.

---0-----0------------
0-----0----------------

chords in between those notes.
Title: Re: BS-502 • Folsom Prison Blues - Johnny Cash
Post by: thisisnotaname on March 30, 2014, 05:25:29 pm
Quote
I'm leaning toward thinking that he skips the 5th string when playing the 6th,
This gives you a more defined bass note by only playing the E then the B the next time. You can play
just the 123 strings or the 1234 strings after, which every you think sounds better.

Quote
but then it would no longer be an E, A, and B7, and I would think he would mention that.

What make the chords is three notes For E it's E G# B By alternating the bass note you are still playing
the notes E G# and B so your still playing an E Chord same with the other two chords but the B has
a 7 but I don't think your ready for a bunch of theory at this point and theory isn't my strong suit.
Thank you very much! This is exactly what I was looking for.
Title: Re: BS-502 • Folsom Prison Blues - Johnny Cash
Post by: Publius on April 23, 2014, 05:55:59 pm
I am on the consolidation phase of the beginner's course and am working my way back through the songbook. 

I play an electric and I struggled mightily with Justin's strumming instructions.  I then switched over to Dario Cortese's lesson for electrics and things almost immediately fell into place for me.

I don't know if it's an issue of not having a softer pick or whether strumming is just fundamentally different on an acoustic as opposed to an electric.   
Title: Re: BS-502 • Folsom Prison Blues - Johnny Cash
Post by: Rowly on September 11, 2014, 07:10:51 pm
Hello folks,
I am struggling to keep the High E (1st string) free when using my thumb to mute the Low E (6th).  It keeps getting muted by the fleshy pad on my palm at he base of my index.  I can't seem to find a finger position that avoids it.
Whilst I have fairly big hands I have shortish thumbs.
Do I just live with it?  Or am I doing something fundamentally wrong?
Rowly
Title: Re: BS-502 • Folsom Prison Blues - Johnny Cash
Post by: bluemusicnut on October 07, 2014, 01:58:42 pm
When Justin play the A chord he mutes the e string with his left thumb.  but when he plays B7 he mutes with his middle finger.  Is there any reason not to mute the e string with the thumb for both chords?

thank you,

Title: Re: BS-502 • Folsom Prison Blues - Johnny Cash
Post by: stitch101 on October 07, 2014, 05:19:35 pm
You can mute the E string what ever way is easiest for you. If the thumb works best then use your thumb.
I very seldom mute strings when I was first learning accuracy with the picking hand was taught over muting

Title: Re: BS-502 • Folsom Prison Blues - Johnny Cash
Post by: leb1996 on April 23, 2015, 12:23:27 pm
Hey guys! I'm pretty much getting the basic alternate bass picking down. But what I'm having trouble understanding is the purpose of muting. For example, when I hit the 5th I'm muting the 6th. But I'm not hitting the 6th? I am hitting the 5th. So why would I mute a string I'm not hitting? He says it "defines the bass" which I can hear when he play, but I don't understand how if I am muting a string that is not being hit.  Thanks and sorry to post on a forum that hasn't been hit up in a while!
Title: Re: BS-502 • Folsom Prison Blues - Johnny Cash
Post by: stitch101 on April 23, 2015, 04:40:02 pm
You don't need to mute strings if you are accurate and miss the E string. I personally almost never
find the need to mute the E string. Like you I just don't hit it when it's not needed.

There are times that you may need to mute the E string so it is a good thing to learn.
But I think accuracy is a more important skill and you seem to have mastered that.
Title: Re: BS-502 • Folsom Prison Blues - Johnny Cash
Post by: SiegeFrog on April 23, 2015, 11:27:25 pm
But what I'm having trouble understanding is the purpose of muting. For example, when I hit the 5th I'm muting the 6th. But I'm not hitting the 6th? I am hitting the 5th. So why would I mute a string I'm not hitting? He says it "defines the bass" which I can hear when he play, but I don't understand how if I am muting a string that is not being hit.

I think what he's going for is really necessary for open strings.  Think of it this way, you play the E chord with the bass note on the open E string, then you play the bass note on the A string 2nd fret. The problem is that the open E string is still ringing which muddies up the sound of the new bass note on the A string. However, if you mute the E string when you alternate the bass note to the A string you solve the problem. Similarly, for the other chords. With some of them though, what you get is more separation in pitch between the bass note and the treble strings (i.e. the boom is separate from the chick-a).
Title: Re: BS-502 • Folsom Prison Blues - Johnny Cash
Post by: leb1996 on April 23, 2015, 11:33:38 pm
Thank you both so much! That was super informative and helpful. Both of your answers made a lot of sense. I just wanted to understand it before I was just mindlessly learning something. Thanks a ton!
Title: Re: BS-502 • Folsom Prison Blues - Johnny Cash
Post by: randomlock on July 15, 2015, 05:49:43 pm
Hello . For Boom chika strumming , when up strumming do i just hit the thinnest string ( high E) or just like i normally do up strumming hitting 3-4 string  ?
Title: Re: BS-502 • Folsom Prison Blues - Johnny Cash
Post by: stitch101 on July 15, 2015, 06:51:11 pm
You can do either or both which ever sounds better to you.
Title: Re: BS-502 • Folsom Prison Blues - Johnny Cash
Post by: Badger_5 on December 19, 2016, 09:52:27 pm
Hi all. Sorry if this is already covered in the thread, but I've read through and I'm still not certain. Just to clarify when it comes to the bass note and strum:
Title: Re: BS-502 • Folsom Prison Blues - Johnny Cash
Post by: JetCityCobra on December 20, 2016, 06:55:27 am
Hi all. Sorry if this is already covered in the thread, but I've read through and I'm still not certain. Just to clarify when it comes to the bass note and strum:
  • With the E-chord I hit the 6th string and then strum the lighter strings; and
  • With the A-chord and B7 I hit the 5th string and then strum the lighter strings?

That's right!  With the E chord, the Root of the chord is the E string, so hitting that by itself anchors the down, up.  On the B7 chord since you're muting the E string, the Root of B7 is B; which is the 2nd fret of the 5th string. (If you use a capo, nothing changes in the way you play it)

Hope that clears things up for you!


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Title: Re: BS-502 • Folsom Prison Blues - Johnny Cash
Post by: Badger_5 on December 21, 2016, 08:40:52 pm
That's right!  With the E chord, the Root of the chord is the E string, so hitting that by itself anchors the down, up.  On the B7 chord since you're muting the E string, the Root of B7 is B; which is the 2nd fret of the 5th string. (If you use a capo, nothing changes in the way you play it)

Hope that clears things up for you!


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Yes, thank you!  :D

As an aside - I've grown accustomed to playing the A-chord with the three finger semi-barre, as I find it hard to play with the three finger configuration that's first taught on the beginners course. However, this doesn't work so well when muting the E-string at the same time.

Has anyone else had the same problem?
Title: Re: BS-502 • Folsom Prison Blues - Johnny Cash
Post by: Timc on June 12, 2018, 08:43:00 pm
Hello, not sure if thread resurrection or new topic is the preferred approach, so please forgive the bump.

Having been trying to get this strumming pattern right for ages (a couple of weeks, feels like years) and so I decided to leave it and instead have a go at the Dario Cortese electric part Justin mentions. Weirdly something just really clicked despite my initially thinking "oh no, this is even worse".

I think it's the combination of the 3 string muted riff with pick-down-up-up-down pattern at one point in the solo; just working on that, perhaps focused on fewer strings, and the clouds suddenly parted.

If anyone else is stuck, give it a go!