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Title: BS-702 • Wanted Dead Or Alive - Bon Jovi
Post by: justinguitar on July 29, 2011, 03:19:08 pm
Lesson Link: http://justinguitar.com/en/BS-702-WantedDeadOrAlive-BonJovi.php

Questions...
Title: Re: BS-702 • Wanted Dead Or Alive - Bon Jovi
Post by: docal97 on July 30, 2011, 10:51:11 pm
Justin:

Great song and lesson!  I can't wait for my songbook to arrive already!

My question is about what you refer in the video to twiddles- basically where you are using a variation of the D chord with a Dsus 2 and 4.  It would be great if you could do a video lesson on this specifically sometime.  In the video, it is a bit hard(for me), to follow what the strumming hand should be doing while the fretting hand is moving thru the d/dsus chords.  It seems like in the video that you are strumming as opposed to outright picking the individual strings, but I think that you may be doing both.  Could you clarify this?  I have watched your lesson on sus chords but it does not quite explain what you are doing in this song.  Thanks!
Title: Re: BS-702 • Wanted Dead Or Alive - Bon Jovi
Post by: mike42 on July 31, 2011, 03:36:01 am
From watching Justin's little play through at the start (I didn't watch the entire video) it appears that he is mostly picking the strings out in between strums, although I think it was kinda a combination of both picking and strumming.

My suggestion would be to play around with picking and strumming, and see what you think sounds best, since the song should sound pretty much the same either way. When playing sus2/sus4 stuff like on the D, I usually strum just the top couple strings if I want to go for that 'picking' feel rather than just outright strumming. Just mess with it a bit and I think you should be able to get something sounding close to what Justin did in the video.

Hope this helped!
Title: Re: BS-702 • Wanted Dead Or Alive - Bon Jovi
Post by: chix2 on July 31, 2011, 09:23:03 am
doca

its just little embelsihments things like that i dont think are ever played in the same way ever twice it just something you feel really, i think (an yes ive been guilty too) we can over analyze stuff to much an get lost an tangled ina fury of this has to be exact. i rember years a go i was tryin to play queen crazy little thing called love, an was like whens he doing the dsus4 on the D, in the end i just though its easier to feel an play along with the record than tryin to crypticaly analize..another song an probly greater example was black or white michael jackson,the contiunes Eriff E E9 i mean if you try an analize that your goin go mad lol its just something you gota feel with an try an emulate. look at how justin had to really think about the strummin for dead or alive it this stuff is hard to write out an its just something weve got to try an initiate ourselfs by listning we get there just takes time an like justin says dont be in to much of rush just be happy to play along with the song we dont have to throu al the frills an thrills in one go.. just be cool look how cool it sounded with just the simple strumin good yes ..  just be cool with that for now, let the song grow as you grow
Title: Re: BS-702 • Wanted Dead Or Alive - Bon Jovi
Post by: Beelzebean on July 31, 2011, 07:41:58 pm
Hi,

I was shown how to play the intro riff a while ago, and have been playing it using only my first and second fingers by just slding to the correct frets. I assume that this is a bad habbit and that I should persevere to get the correct fingering? Im sure that I should really but am struggling a bit after playing it quite alot the way that I was shown. Thanks in advance.
Title: Re: BS-702 • Wanted Dead Or Alive - Bon Jovi
Post by: joedassin on August 01, 2011, 12:45:04 pm
About strumming and D/Dsus, here is what I could catch :

pattern is : Down, Down, Down-Up-Down, Down, with the following chords : D, D, Dsus4-D-Dsus2, D

I think it is what Justin does at 7.00min

Hope it can help you docal97...
Title: Re: BS-702 • Wanted Dead Or Alive - Bon Jovi
Post by: justinguitar on August 03, 2011, 09:42:33 am
re: fingering of intro - I dunno what Ritchie uses, if it works and sounds good then it's fine.

There's a "picked fingerstyle" lesson in intermediate course which will help with this and there are sus chord lessons in beginners course. Twiddles can be learned but are most often improvised!!
Title: Re: BS-702 • Wanted Dead Or Alive - Bon Jovi
Post by: michaelschutz on September 13, 2011, 06:16:31 am
Hi Justin, I have a question about the intro (thanks for the superior clarity on showing frets and fingerings!) - you say to do a "down-up-down-up" picking action on the intro. You say it's tricky (and I agree :)) but I'm wondering why you say that instead of a "down-down-up-up" action.

(edit: never mind - I've just watched a few others and my Q is answered - basic picking techniques that my self-taught self didn't know...)
Title: Re: BS-702 • Wanted Dead Or Alive - Bon Jovi
Post by: antwilk1981 on September 13, 2011, 10:03:49 am
From watching Justin's little play through at the start (I didn't watch the entire video) it appears that he is mostly picking the strings out in between strums, although I think it was kinda a combination of both picking and strumming.

My suggestion would be to play around with picking and strumming, and see what you think sounds best, since the song should sound pretty much the same either way. When playing sus2/sus4 stuff like on the D, I usually strum just the top couple strings if I want to go for that 'picking' feel rather than just outright strumming. Just mess with it a bit and I think you should be able to get something sounding close to what Justin did in the video.

Hope this helped!

This is pretty much what i did tbh and i got there in the end.
Title: Re: BS-702 • Wanted Dead Or Alive - Bon Jovi
Post by: ArsenalOwl on March 23, 2012, 09:30:16 pm
Hey Justin!  I don't suppose you could write out the strumming pattern here where I could read it?
Title: Re: BS-702 • Wanted Dead Or Alive - Bon Jovi
Post by: watsonvillian on July 15, 2012, 01:48:29 am
Hey Justin if you get some time could you possibly help with the chorus strumming on this song. I think in your video you said you would put it up on the site maybe. If you could that would be brilliant. I am having trouble with it. Thanks.
Title: Re: BS-702 • Wanted Dead Or Alive - Bon Jovi
Post by: jacksroadhouse on July 15, 2012, 07:08:27 am
Which part is giving you trouble exactly?
Title: Re: BS-702 • Wanted Dead Or Alive - Bon Jovi
Post by: watsonvillian on July 15, 2012, 08:45:21 am
well I got the intro down and the verse, which is repetitive. However, for the chorus I was not sure whether the rhythm actually changed. I am still working on being able to pick out rhythms from listening to songs. Mainly does this part:

CHORUS:
C          G        F             D                   
I'm a cowboy , on a steel horse I ride
C         G  F       D
I'm wanted , dead or alive
C     G   F      D
Wanted , dead or alive

have the same rhythm as the verse? If not what is a proper rhythm? The one from the book or the one used for the cadd9, which is a bit different from the g.
Title: Re: BS-702 • Wanted Dead Or Alive - Bon Jovi
Post by: jacksroadhouse on July 15, 2012, 09:08:27 am
I've been playing this song for quite some time, but must admit I simply improvise the rhythm in the chorus, using some chucking and things like that. I'd have to think long and hard to realise what I'm really doing there ;) I'm not so sure that would be helpful, it's probably more my own thing. But...

Have you checked out some other tutorials for this song? There are about five million of those, and there should be some good ideas of what to do with the chorus in terms of rhythm:

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=wanted+dead+or+alive+guitar+lesson&oq=wanted+dead+or+alive+guitar+lesson

I wouldn't worry too much about doing it "correctly". When JBJ & RS perform this song, esp. in acoustic sets, they play it differently every single time. Look for something that sounds good to you and do that. This is one of those songs that really comes alive by being not really perfectly played. Imho :)

Title: Re: BS-702 • Wanted Dead Or Alive - Bon Jovi
Post by: notalentc1 on December 17, 2012, 06:34:53 pm
great teaching, but would be perfect with notes and tabs. can't find them on justin's video! have the been removed?
Title: Re: BS-702 • Wanted Dead Or Alive - Bon Jovi
Post by: jacksroadhouse on December 17, 2012, 06:54:56 pm
Yes, apparently the nice lawyers insisted on it.

But you can find those on pretty much every major tab website (in varying degrees of quality as usual).
Title: Re: BS-702 • Wanted Dead Or Alive - Bon Jovi
Post by: stitch101 on December 17, 2012, 07:23:19 pm
http://www.justinguitar.com/en/PR-102-BeginnersSongbook.php
Title: Re: BS-702 • Wanted Dead Or Alive - Bon Jovi
Post by: justinguitar on January 12, 2013, 10:52:24 am
@watsonvillian did I not go through it in the video? It's kinda pushed so the changes are not happening on the beat... but I can't recall it exactly right now.

@notalentc1 no tabs on the site for a few years, but I do publish them in songbooks, but for this song it's not a whole tab - just tab for the intro, chords and strumming patterns.
Title: Re: BS-702 • Wanted Dead Or Alive - Bon Jovi
Post by: watsonvillian on February 15, 2013, 08:43:21 am
Thanks for replying Justin. That was back in July I asked...about six months after I started. Six months later..I watched the video many more times and got it down pat with the F barre in it now. Funny how I see things now compared to when I first started.
Title: Re: BS-702 • Wanted Dead Or Alive - Bon Jovi
Post by: Lucky Tim on February 17, 2014, 02:47:20 am
I am enjoying practicing this song very much, I honestly cant believe that I am able to play it at all.
Two questions;
*Justin suggests picking the intro riff in this sequence; down, up, down, up; as in an exercise in a future lesson. Which lesson is this and why is this suggested?
*The hammer part where Justin hits the A string of the G chord; is that a bit of a hammer/ flick off, just hammering the string is not very loud for me.
Thanks,
LT
Title: Re: BS-702 • Wanted Dead Or Alive - Bon Jovi
Post by: de_conne on April 09, 2014, 01:07:47 pm
Hi Justin, I have a question about the intro (thanks for the superior clarity on showing frets and fingerings!) - you say to do a "down-up-down-up" picking action on the intro. You say it's tricky (and I agree :)) but I'm wondering why you say that instead of a "down-down-up-up" action.

(edit: never mind - I've just watched a few others and my Q is answered - basic picking techniques that my self-taught self didn't know...)

I've got the same question, but would somebody mind giving me the answer? Am I doing it wrong with all Down picks? And more important: why? I've looked but couldn't find an answer.

Thx!
Title: Re: BS-702 • Wanted Dead Or Alive - Bon Jovi
Post by: sophiehiker on April 09, 2014, 02:08:37 pm
FWIW

Justin teaches that all beginners should first learn to become proficient at alternate picking before learning other types of picking.  If you look at any beginners or intermediate course lesson on picking strings, you'll see they all are taught as alternate picking.

Why?  I find that it's much easier to keep the proper rhythm with alternate picking.  The down strokes are on the down beat and the up strokes are on the up beat.  It's a lot like strumming in that way.

Are you doing it wrong with all down picks?  No, but do you have the proper rhythm and is your alternate picking down pat?

HTH
Title: Re: BS-702 • Wanted Dead Or Alive - Bon Jovi
Post by: stitch101 on April 09, 2014, 04:51:26 pm
To add the Sophie's comment. You'll find it easier to play at full speed using alternate picking.
Alternate picking is also a very important skill to have so you should learn how to do it and use it.
Title: Re: BS-702 • Wanted Dead Or Alive - Bon Jovi
Post by: Paisley on February 05, 2015, 05:28:47 pm
Hi everyone,
Recently I've started looking at the music theory. And I have some troubles with 'Wanted Dead or Alive'. What is the key of it? It looks like D-something. But is the intro in D dorian? And the verse in D major maybe? Or am I completely wrong?  ???
Thanks in advance
Title: Re: BS-702 • Wanted Dead Or Alive - Bon Jovi
Post by: shadowscott007 on February 05, 2015, 08:16:58 pm
The intro is Dm.  The song proper is in D.  The solos are is pretty much right out of Dm pent. 

It doesn't stay within in a single diatonic scale key.  (Rock and Roll baby!)  D C F G as all major chords don't exist in any key so I'm not sure you can call it any particular mode. 

But the tonal center of the tune is Dmajor.  So D C and G would make D Mixolydian (G major), that is just a statement of fact.  But then along comes the F chord which would want to be an F#mb5 in D Mixolydian.  Crap.

On the other hand, Now if you ignore the pesky little fact that you are playing a D major chord instead of a D minor chord it would be D Dorian.

It's all about the F# in the D major chord, versus the F note in the F major chord later.

The other possible options are less... satisfying... in terms of how many of the chords you are playing exist in the scales.

I would settle on it is rock and roll and breaking rules so we play minor pentatonic in major chords all the time.  Plus both the best options, even though they don't quite fit are cases where minor pentatonic is often used. 

Haven't

Shadow





Title: Re: BS-702 • Wanted Dead Or Alive - Bon Jovi
Post by: SiegeFrog on February 06, 2015, 12:57:14 am
The intro is Dm.  The song proper is in D.  The solos are is pretty much right out of Dm pent. 

It doesn't stay within in a single diatonic scale key.  (Rock and Roll baby!) 

I'm starting to realize that this is really common. I was thinking that learning some basic music theory was going to make the chord progressions in my favorite songs make a lot of sense. Then I started examining them and nobody stays diatonic! They make stuff major instead of minor (or vice versa) all the time. Outside of Stage 1-3 songs from the BSB, I don't think I've seen a single song stay diatonic. And I suspect Justin may have done some adjustments on some of those songs to make them easier to play. This voyage into music theory has been less useful than I was expecting. Educational yes. Useful, less so.
Title: Re: BS-702 • Wanted Dead Or Alive - Bon Jovi
Post by: justinguitar on February 06, 2015, 07:27:34 am
SiegeFrog - actually it's massively useful!

LOADS of songs are diatonic (like nearly all RHCP!) and often if there's outside chords out of the key they'll just have one or two, usually something called Secondary Dominants (look up the lesson in jazz area!) and to play on the tunes you'll use major based notes and step out for the SD'd where you'll play chord tones.

Blues is outside the rules, but modern blues (like Ford or Carlton) requires deep theory knowledge!
Title: Re: BS-702 • Wanted Dead Or Alive - Bon Jovi
Post by: Paisley on February 06, 2015, 10:09:36 am
Thank you guys for the replies! Seems like it's more complex than I expected... but also more interesting  ;)
Title: Re: BS-702 • Wanted Dead Or Alive - Bon Jovi
Post by: Allthesinnerssaints on August 03, 2017, 10:39:51 pm
Hi, I'm learning to play Wanted Dead or Alive by Bon Jovi and have a question about picking the intro.

In the lesson he recommends picking down, up, down, up. But I feel more comfortable picking down, down, down, up. Dddu seems more efficient but am I better off sticking with alternate picks dudu so that it flows better similarly to how you keep you strumming arm moving when playing chords? In spite of the three notes moving up strings in a row.
Title: Re: BS-702 • Wanted Dead Or Alive - Bon Jovi
Post by: SiegeFrog on August 04, 2017, 12:26:16 am
Justin is a big proponent of alternate picking, so that's what he suggests and what he uses. However, like you, I find it awkward for this passage, so I tend to do something else. Either ddud or dddu. In the end, you have to decide what works for you and what sounds best to your ears.


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Title: Re: BS-702 • Wanted Dead Or Alive - Bon Jovi
Post by: billyVitale on March 05, 2019, 09:30:38 am
The question was raised on the Mode for this song.. in particular Dorian Mode.. I was thinking the same but it turns out to be Myxolidian mode..
Title: Re: BS-702 • Wanted Dead Or Alive - Bon Jovi
Post by: jump on March 07, 2019, 09:01:46 pm
        Hi all in  the bon jov I song dead or alive do you play four down strums for each chord
Title: Re: BS-702 • Wanted Dead Or Alive - Bon Jovi
Post by: hilts17 on March 07, 2019, 09:51:18 pm
Have you watched Justin's lesson for this song?
Title: Re: BS-702 • Wanted Dead Or Alive - Bon Jovi
Post by: stitch101 on March 07, 2019, 10:32:01 pm
Have you watched Justin's lesson for this song?

I don't think jump has watch any of the video lessons or even been to the website.

@jump the easy play through with Justin starts at 4:30 on lesson video BS-702
or you can type in Dead or Alive in the search box at tbe top of the main page on the
web site. Or you can go the the first post by Justin in this thread and click on the link.
Title: Re: BS-702 • Wanted Dead Or Alive - Bon Jovi
Post by: stitch101 on March 07, 2019, 10:41:56 pm
@ jump
I just read though some of you old posts. It seem you started learning
guitar in Dec 2018. That's less than 3 months and you're trying to play a
stage 7 song.
Do yourself a big favor and go to Justin's web site and do the beginner course
from the beginning. It free and will teach you what you need to learn.
Feel free to continue to ask question here on the forum and we will do our best
to help you learn.

And to answer you question about We Wish You A Marry Christmas the sheet
music with all the chords are on the website to down load for free.
It is a song in public domain so Justin can give the music away for free.
He also has a lesson video of the song on the same page.
Title: Re: BS-702 • Wanted Dead Or Alive - Bon Jovi
Post by: tobyjenner on March 07, 2019, 11:19:12 pm
@ jump
I just read though some of you old posts. It seem you started learning
guitar in Dec 2018. That's less than 3 months and you're trying to play a
stage 7 song.
Do yourself a big favor and go to Justin's web site and do the beginner course
from the beginning. It free and will teach you what you need to learn.
Feel free to continue to ask question here on the forum and we will do our best
to help you learn.

And to answer you question about We Wish You A Marry Christmas the sheet
music with all the chords are on the website to down load for free.
It is a song in public domain so Justin can give the music away for free.
He also has a lesson video of the song on the same page.

Jump I would have to agree with Stitch. And I also mentioned in one of your previous threads about not getting ahead of yourself. And in case folks think people here are unfriendly, most of the time they are trying to give the best guidance based on the facts presented to us. And as such we are only trying pass advice from our own experiences and observations. For me that's helping folk not stuffing up like I did for many years.

So Jump, DoA might be a tad advance for you at present but if you feel its something you need to do please follow Justin's lesson on the website

https://www.justinguitar.com/songs/bon-jovi-wanted-dead-or-alive-chords-tabs-guitar-lesson-bs-702

But if you run and fall over, you'd be better off walking. Follow the BC step by step and you will get there.  8)