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Title: BS-110 • Common People - Pulp
Post by: justinguitar on July 12, 2011, 10:40:31 pm
Lesson Link: http://justinguitar.com/en/BS-110-CommonPeople-Pulp.php

Questions...
Title: Re: BS-110 • Common People - Pulp
Post by: chacho on July 15, 2011, 11:05:48 pm
Hi Justin
Love the Pulp song lesson.
With the capo on the third fret, I have a smaller space to cram my fingers in for the A chord.
I have always used the traditional fingering for the A chord ( 3 fingers in a row).
Question:should I use your A fingering as shown in the lesson or would it be best to use the one finger barred A and if so what finger should I use ( first, index or ring).

Cheers Chacho
Title: Re: BS-110 • Common People - Pulp
Post by: irishalkies on July 16, 2011, 12:09:21 am
You could try playing it without the capo with open chords C, G, and F and throwing in a G7.

That's how I've always played it anyways.

Title: Re: BS-110 • Common People - Pulp
Post by: chacho on July 25, 2011, 08:34:20 am
You could try playing it without the capo with open chords C, G, and F and throwing in a G7.

That's how I've always played it anyways.


Thanks irishalkies for the alternative.
I've tried playing with the c chord but It sounds better to me with the capo.
Any other peeps having trouble with placing your fingers for the A chord with the capo.
Title: Re: BS-110 • Common People - Pulp
Post by: ShigenoriM on July 31, 2011, 07:57:37 am
Hi, I am not sure this is a good way to do it, but as I watched Justine's video, I wrote down chords in order like this ..

A E A E D A E. Now I just have to strum 16 times each.

Played the actual song as I looked down on my paper and just strummed these chords 16 times each. Fine so far, but now, I have a difficulty of playing along with the song without looking at the paper. I did the same thing with other songs like Johnny B Good, Walk of Life, etc.

How can I learn the chords order without having have to write them down ?? I know ears must learn it... but I am having a difficulty.  

Title: Re: BS-110 • Common People - Pulp
Post by: chix2 on July 31, 2011, 09:14:05 am
hi shig

how long have you been tryin to play it, it dose take time to let everything sink in its just repution youl get there we all look at the paper or music to begin with then we listen to the recordin an we just get feelin for it, everythigns hard at first but when your used to it, it becoes easier an more natrual you'l just feel it an things will be good
Title: Re: BS-110 • Common People - Pulp
Post by: jimrob1957 on November 27, 2011, 10:26:55 pm
LOL...I have exactley the same problems as Shig, i suppose it takes practice  ;D
Title: Re: BS-110 • Common People - Pulp
Post by: joo on January 26, 2012, 07:22:10 pm
Hi ..
First .. want to thank each person share any help for stundets here ..
And second .. I want to ask qu. :

I don't have capo !!
What can I do ??

And what about if I play the song with the original courds that justin learn us ??

What is the differents between if I play with the original courds .. And if I play with capo ??

Thanks ..
Title: Re: BS-110 • Common People - Pulp
Post by: Tourniquet on January 26, 2012, 08:01:27 pm
You can play without a capo and you'll just be an a different key to the original (can't play along).
It's worth getting one but until you do you can try using a pencil and a strong rubber band as a makeshift one.
Title: Re: BS-110 • Common People - Pulp
Post by: joo on January 26, 2012, 11:33:24 pm
OMG ...
see this vedio .. And told me your comment !!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2I9jdm_5aho

She use the courds : 'E' then 'A' then 'G'  !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
What is defferents between her and justin ?!?!?!?!
Title: Re: BS-110 • Common People - Pulp
Post by: Bootstrap on January 26, 2012, 11:49:09 pm
OMG ...
see this vedio .. And told me your comment !!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2I9jdm_5aho

She use the courds : 'E' then 'A' then 'G'  !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
What is defferents between her and justin ?!?!?!?!

No Capo and a different strumming pattern - both use I, V, IV chords - but no material difference at all.
Title: Re: BS-110 • Common People - Pulp
Post by: joo on January 27, 2012, 12:51:46 am
what doeas it mean  " both use I, V, IV chords "
Title: Re: BS-110 • Common People - Pulp
Post by: Bootstrap on January 27, 2012, 02:09:25 am
I, V, IV relates to the chord number in a key.

The key of A major:

I = Amaj
ii = Bmin
iii = C#min
IV = Dmaj
V = Emaj
vi = F#min
vii = G#dim

Key of D major:

I = Dmaj
ii = Emin
iii = F#min
IV = Gmaj
V = Amaj
vi = Bmin
vii = C#dim

You quoted she used E, A & G - if you look again you will see she acually uses D, A & G.

So whilst Justin doesn't actually play in the key of A because of the capo position (it is actually 3 semitones higher than A, i.e. C) - but for simplicity let's call it A because of the shapes it uses.

You can see that that it is a simple key transposition using the I, V, IV chords. NB Major chords always use uppercase Roman Numerals, Minor and Diminished lowercase.
Title: Re: BS-110 • Common People - Pulp
Post by: joo on January 27, 2012, 07:23:24 pm
thanks for your heed of my qu.
But I still want you to explaine :
How can I play the same songs with different courds :
if justin play it without capo ..
He will use chourds as her :  D , A , G
Or He will play as :  A , D , E

please explaine to me that ..
can we play the same song with differents courds ?

and please tell me the effect of capo ?
why we use capo ??
Title: Re: BS-110 • Common People - Pulp
Post by: misterg on January 27, 2012, 08:03:45 pm
please explain to me that ..
can we play the same song with different chords ?

and please tell me the effect of capo ?
why we use capo ??

You can play the same song in a different key (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Key_%28music%29) (musical term) which means that the chords will be different.

A capo transposes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transposition_%28music%29) the open chords you play on the guitar to a different key.

You use a capo because it allows you to easily transpose the chords that you know, and can play, into the original key of a song (or a key that suits your singing voice).


HTH

Andy




Title: Re: BS-110 • Common People - Pulp
Post by: Bootstrap on January 27, 2012, 10:38:40 pm
Watch this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5pidokakU4I&feature=youtube_gdata_player

All these songs are played using the SAME 4 chords - they would not have been written in the same key, but because they were written using the same chord progression ie I, V, vi, IV and that means they can all be transposed to the same key.

You can play any song in any key as long as you follow the numbering I showed you in the post 3 back.

Hope that helps your understanding.
Title: Re: BS-110 • Common People - Pulp
Post by: justinguitar on February 14, 2012, 11:23:49 am
@ShigenoriM

 learning curve progressions to memory is just practice. The more you do it the better you'll get a visual, and learning songs for a reason e.g. band practice or something like that, is also really good way of forcing your brain to memorise information.

 Another thing that you should try is to revisit the song every couple of weeks. There's something about a revisit that helps move the song into a long-term memory, I think of it kinda like the hard drive you - you wanna store all of your songs on the hard drive long term and when you actually want to a play it you need to move into your RAM where (which is the short term memory) so you can actually remember the tune. It normally takes me a play or two the move songs from my "hard drive" into my RAM I can actually play them :)
Title: Re: BS-110 • Common People - Pulp
Post by: Matthew_Hall on February 18, 2012, 04:03:30 pm
You can play without a capo and you'll just be an a different key to the original (can't play along).
It's worth getting one but until you do you can try using a pencil and a strong rubber band as a makeshift one.
i have tride a pencil and rubber band as a capo it works ok for all the string apart from but the E (6th string ) isnt held down and moves about. Has anyone got any suggestions on how to fix this. Apart from buying a capo.
Title: Re: BS-110 • Common People - Pulp
Post by: _Avalon_ on February 18, 2012, 04:17:28 pm
i have tride a pencil and rubber band as a capo it works ok for all the string apart from but the E (6th string ) isnt held down and moves about. Has anyone got any suggestions on how to fix this. Apart from buying a capo.

It seems your rubber band isn't tight enough, or the pencil is not in a good position. For what it's worth, when I don't have a capo, I just use a lace, which I tighten sufficiently enough to work!
Title: Re: BS-110 • Common People - Pulp
Post by: jacksroadhouse on February 18, 2012, 05:12:32 pm
The problem is, that on most guitars the fingerboards has a slight rounding to them (that's what the radius of the fingerboard is about). That's why the pencil doesn't alway work - it won't bend enough.

Be careful not to tighten your makeshift-capo too much. You don't want to break something.

You can get a real capo for less then €2,-

Think about it.
Title: Re: BS-110 • Common People - Pulp
Post by: NorCalMike on February 20, 2012, 07:26:54 pm
With respect to the A chord for this song, Justin recommends muting the low E with your thumb due to the fast strum pattern. However, I can't seem to get this no matter how hard I try without muting the high E with my hand. (smallish hands).

Anyone else had this issue and find a solution?
Title: Re: BS-110 • Common People - Pulp
Post by: Bootstrap on February 20, 2012, 08:39:08 pm
Hard to tell without a photo - but try altering your wrist angle - the more parallel (to the fretboard) your wrist/forearm the more hand clearance you will achieve on the high e. Also experiment with the angle your wrist is bent at - the more bent the better the clearance, but the more bent the harder it is to get your thumb over the top - you need to find the spot that is the best compromise for the two.

And remember you are only muting, so you only need enough thumb over the top to touch the string - not play it.

Good luck dude. :)

PS - welcome to the forum.
Title: Re: BS-110 • Common People - Pulp
Post by: benigan on December 24, 2013, 12:29:52 am
Love this song and am trying to learn it.  I purchased the Justin Guitar Beginner's Songbook and it's great.  The chords are indicated for the first verse.  But it's very hard to fit them into the subsequent verses because the words scan differently on the lines.  Can anyone provide help?  Thanks.
Title: Re: BS-110 • Common People - Pulp
Post by: sophiehiker on December 24, 2013, 11:50:50 am
I assume you've watched the lesson  http://www.justinguitar.com/en/BS-110-CommonPeople-Pulp.php (http://www.justinguitar.com/en/BS-110-CommonPeople-Pulp.php)  and know it's four bars of A, four bars of E, etc...

It might help if you got a copy of the song, slowed it down so you can play along, and then played along with the song.  There are several pieces of software that will slow the song down without changing the pitch.

HTH
Title: Re: BS-110 • Common People - Pulp
Post by: 1old3 on January 03, 2014, 09:06:44 am
Hi guys, I need your help.

I'm pretty cool with playing this song in the C with a capo (like Justin), in the C without a capo, in the A, etc. If only I had to just play it, it would be sweet! ...but I have to SING it too :) So that's what I'm after.

My singing range would be probably somewhere between G#2 and D4 (I know it's bad, I'm working on it too), and I'm not even entirely comfortable with the bottom and the top of this range in actual songs.

Question 1: That's my main question. What the hell is going on after the second chorus?! "Rent a flat above a shop, cut your hair and get a job...". In the key of C, I can sing the song perfectly up to this point, and I LOVE it (I think I sing it an octave lower in this key)... but right here, on "Rent a flat...", I can't figure out what the vocalist (Jarvis) does! Does he start singing higher? It seems like he starts "crying", but since I can't seem to sing along with him properly, perhaps he changes the pitch too :(

Question 2: If I change the key of the song down to make the "Rent a flat..." bit easier, I should change it to A, right? So just play like Justin without a capo?

Again, I like it in C more, so I hope someone knows what's that "Rent a flat..." bit is all about, so maybe I can learn to sing it in C :) Perhaps if you told me the notes the vocalist sings, so I know where they are relative to my range?

Question 3: On a different note, I remember Justin saying that Fmaj7 can be played instead of F in the key of C, but in this song, when played with open chords (C-G-F), Fmaj7 sounds a little weird, no? Or it doesn't sound weird?

Cheers.
Title: Re: BS-110 • Common People - Pulp
Post by: Tim Mason on January 03, 2014, 09:35:01 am
This help? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XgQ1VmeELtw (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XgQ1VmeELtw)

Or this? http://steampunkopera.wordpress.com/2011/11/21/the-10-best-falsetto-songs/ (http://steampunkopera.wordpress.com/2011/11/21/the-10-best-falsetto-songs/) (Which is just an excuse to put Israel Kamakawiwo’ole's Somewhere Over The Rainbow on here)
Title: Re: BS-110 • Common People - Pulp
Post by: misterg on January 03, 2014, 10:36:53 am
My singing range would be probably somewhere between G#2 and D4

You can get the sheet music for it here for a few £ (and you can often pick up useful information from the sample page):

http://www.musicnotes.com/sheetmusic/mtdFPE.asp?ppn=MN0111107

In the description, it says "Voice, range: B3-G5" which is pretty wide! My singing teacher tells me that the *most* a man can hope to get is a two octave range (without going to falsetto).

Tricky song!
Title: Re: BS-110 • Common People - Pulp
Post by: 1old3 on January 03, 2014, 11:44:08 am
This help?
Cheers, mate, but falsetto is a whole different story, and the Pulp's vocalist doesn't use it :) I'll link you to a video explaining what falsetto is. It's by the guy whose program I use, he's great at explaining this kinda things. I can't post a link, so here's the ending of the YouTube clip's URL: Jtcp6yBb-nk. By the way, I love Over the Rainbow too :) However, even though I'm not an expert, I don't think he uses falsetto either. He sounds pretty "connected", it's more like simply a light head voice.

Either way, I can sing Common People without falsetto, it's just that it's not comfortable, and I don't get what happens at the "Rent a flat..." bit.

In the description, it says "Voice, range: B3-G5" which is pretty wide! My singing teacher tells me that the *most* a man can hope to get is a two octave range (without going to falsetto).
Yeah, man, I'm pretty sure that most non-castrati males can never dream about singing G5, and Jarvis definitely doesn't sing it. Tenors have A4 at the higher end :) G5 is just a few notes short from being out of reach of guitar itself. I think he sings an octave lower than this too.

Otherwise, it's a useful site, thanks. I found something similar that doesn't charge you anything, check out Jellynote.
Title: Re: BS-110 • Common People - Pulp
Post by: Tim Mason on January 03, 2014, 12:11:52 pm
Ah well - you live and learn. When I took singing lessons - about fifty years ago - I don't recall anyone making that distinction. And what I hear there is Cocker breaking into a David Bowie style falsetto.
Title: Re: BS-110 • Common People - Pulp
Post by: 1old3 on January 03, 2014, 01:34:49 pm
As to Common People, I found a full music sheet, and my fears were right. At "Rent a flat above a shop...", according to this transcription, Jarvis goes a whole octave up! That explains why the chords don't change and why I can't sing there easily. I start off with E3, a lovely note right in the middle of my range, but after the second chorus I need to sing E4 and even G4 all the time :( Even if we transpose it to A, E4 will become C#4, which is not too bad, but G4 will still become E4. I'll give it a shot tomorrow and see if it's any better in the key of A :)

With respect to the A chord for this song, Justin recommends muting the low E with your thumb due to the fast strum pattern...
On this note, does anyone know whether I should attempt muting the 6th string with my second finger when I play a mini-bar with my first? It seems to work, but I need to be careful not to touch the 5th string, which is supposed to be open.
Title: Re: BS-110 • Common People - Pulp
Post by: OzzieDave on January 06, 2014, 05:47:59 pm
Q/ why do you 'need' to sing this
Q/ why does it have to sound like a copy of the original
This is very early in the whole 'learn guitar' thing, lots more songs left in the world.
My singing used to sound like a wounded cow until I stopped trying to sound like my heroes and settled for sounding like me which I am told is close to a young Jonny Cash but with an Australian accent 8) just a pity I'm not into country ::)
Title: Re: BS-110 • Common People - Pulp
Post by: 1old3 on January 06, 2014, 10:16:59 pm
Q/ why do you 'need' to sing this
Q/ why does it have to sound like a copy of the original
A/ because, alas, I do not have a female soprano friend who would always follow me around and sing whenever I play guitar :(
A/ because it sounds cool, it creates dynamics when the song begins slower/lower/quieter and then builds up.

A wounded cow :D I have a (dis)advantage, compared to other newbies, of being able to hear whether the notes sung are in the chord or not, probably because I've been always tuning my guitar to itself with a pitch fork as a reference instead of just using a tuner. So when I start singing like a wounded cow, which I surely do, I just shut up and post a question here :D

I tried singing Common People in the same octave yesterday. It surely sounds better than when I tried to reach that G4, but it sounds... different. On the upside, I get this cool vibration in my head from when you sing in harmony with the guitar and actually hit the notes.

It's a good advice, thank you, I'll think about it.

P.S.: if you want to mock yourself a little, either record yourself singing or hold a plastic folder / sheet of paper / your hands before your ears when you sing, as deflectors. For a reason beyond me, this will cause you to hear the sound of your voice transmitted through the air only, and not the sound of your voice vibrating in your skull. That's how others hear you. Chances are, you won't find your voice very similar to the voice of Jonny Cash, maybe teenage Jonny Cash :D Give it a try, it's funny (and sad).
Title: Re: BS-110 • Common People - Pulp
Post by: nox on October 29, 2014, 04:33:57 pm
hi everybody,

thirst of all thanks for the cool webite and the forum. Im really enjoying the course so far.
But i have a question to this song.

if you have a look in the songbook at the end of the first verse you see that there is one bar of "A" at the end. After that verse2 begins which means to me that i should play 4 bars of "A" again. So this would be 5 bars of "A".
But it seems to me that there are 6 bars of "A" when i listen to the original song.

Am i right or what do you think?

thanks and cheers
nox
Title: Re: BS-110 • Common People - Pulp
Post by: Bissrok on March 07, 2015, 03:46:36 pm
I have a question that's related to the one above. Is there chord progression from Verse 1 repeated in it's entirety for the other verses?

Some of the verses are 11 lines, some are 10, and Verse 4 is 6 lines, so I was getting confused.
Title: Re: BS-110 • Common People - Pulp
Post by: FrankCobretti on February 08, 2017, 03:13:51 am
I get confused here, too.  Can anyone legally post an annotation of the whole song, with chords noted the same way they are for the first verse?  I'm writing in pencil in my songbook, but I don't think I'm getting it right - even when I play along with the YouTube recording of the original.
Title: Re: BS-110 • Common People - Pulp
Post by: close2u on February 11, 2017, 08:48:51 am
  Can anyone legally post an annotation of the whole song,

Not here I'm afraid.
Title: Re: BS-110 • Common People - Pulp
Post by: rodinia on August 06, 2018, 08:29:40 am
Ok, a question here: people mention bars and chords and the likes. I'm a very mathematical person. I like to see something written in front of me rather than just try to remember/react at this moment in time. Yet I can't find any chords. Do they exist at all?
Title: Re: BS-110 • Common People - Pulp
Post by: DarrellW on August 06, 2018, 08:49:12 am
Try this
https://d29p2nwx3pv59i.cloudfront.net/images-general/Common-People-Stage-1.pdf
Title: Re: BS-110 • Common People - Pulp
Post by: tobyjenner on August 06, 2018, 09:02:37 am
This

https://www.justinguitar.com/songs/pulp-common-people-chords-tabs-guitar-lesson-bs-110

Click on the Chords tab, simples.  8)
Title: Re: BS-110 • Common People - Pulp
Post by: rodinia on August 06, 2018, 09:11:19 am
I know this song has three chords, D A and E. But the order of the chords throughout the song is what I'm missing, really. I can play various exercising changing chords fairly quickly (about 35-40/minute) but I can't currently listen to the music, chose the right chord and move my fingers. It's too much multitasking for me :P