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Title: Which browser?
Post by: Xaromir on February 19, 2011, 12:31:14 am
This seems to be a very basic question, but it's also essential.
I've been using FireFox now pretty much since the dawn of time (started when it was called Firebird).
But it becomes increasingly unstable, big and slow, and i just don't see what else.

Tried IceWeasle now, but it doesn't seem to support Adblock+ and don't see similar things for it.
I look with suspicion on Google, so i don't know if i'm comfortable with Chrome,
Opera seems to have the same issues as FF, big and slow.
I don't even bother mentioning IE, since it sucks.

Any thoughts on that?
Title: Re: Which browser?
Post by: Rucario on February 19, 2011, 02:07:17 am
I use Firefox 4b11 and it's very stable and light (and I'm using it on a netbook, which is not so good). I've good experiences with Chrome, it's seens very light and smooth. Google never stole me, so you should give it a try :P

For some reason, even liking Chrome, I just use FF. Guess I'm too used to it.
Title: Re: Which browser?
Post by: Dan Graves on February 19, 2011, 05:50:27 am
This seems to be a very basic question, but it's also essential.
I've been using FireFox now pretty much since the dawn of time (started when it was called Firebird).
But it becomes increasingly unstable, big and slow, and i just don't see what else.

Tried IceWeasle now, but it doesn't seem to support Adblock+ and don't see similar things for it.
I look with suspicion on Google, so i don't know if i'm comfortable with Chrome,
Opera seems to have the same issues as FF, big and slow.
I don't even bother mentioning IE, since it sucks.

Any thoughts on that?

Just use Firefox for now Xaro, you're not the only user getting fed up with the bloat, and i've been talking to some coders who have started working on a new, lightweight branch-off of Firefox.
Depending on how things go, it might get a new name, or it might just be called FF light or something.
But rest assured, people are working on it.

What you could also do is move to Chromium, the browser google chrome is based on.
Or Midori, but that might be a bit too stripped down.
Hell, have a look an try some others : http://alternativeto.net/software/firefox/
Next to that Test version of the lightweight firefox fork, i'm testig some of the alternatives on that page, Pale Moon is especially promising as all my FF plugins and add-ons work in it (that's 40 or so add-ons and plugins, some of which are very obscure. cool stuff).
Title: Re: Which browser?
Post by: old-and-in-the-way on February 19, 2011, 08:04:51 am
Tried IceWeasle now, but it doesn't seem to support Adblock+ and don't see similar things for it.

Then you are doing it wrong.  Iceweasel is just firefox without the firefox branding (it's a legal thing).

Since iceweasel only makes sense if you are using debian, you can install adblock-plus with "apt-get install xul-ext-adblock-plus"



Posted from iceweasel.  On Debian.
Title: Re: Which browser?
Post by: Dan Graves on February 19, 2011, 07:17:37 pm
Tried IceWeasle now, but it doesn't seem to support Adblock+ and don't see similar things for it.

Then you are doing it wrong.  Iceweasel is just firefox without the firefox branding (it's a legal thing).

Since iceweasel only makes sense if you are using debian, you can install adblock-plus with "apt-get install xul-ext-adblock-plus"



Posted from iceweasel.  On Debian.

I doubt he's using it from Debian though, last time i checked he still depended on Windows too much for most of his software.
It also made me wonder, because i couldn't find any pre-compiled installers for windows, and any compiling info that anyone short of a real geek could use to compile it.

By the way, didn't it become IceCat for all non-Debian uses, again because of conflicts with the project's leaders ? (just like with those dorks who now run Firefox ?)
Because all i cound find for my OpenSUSE through YAST (i'm lazy, i know) was IceCat.

I checked though, and even all my convoluted techie add-ons worked in IceCat, even Adblock+ and Adblock Element Hiding Helper, so i agree that everything should just run, or at least be coaxed into running with a little tinkering.

@ Xaro : assuming you are on windows, check out pale moon.
You can port everything you use from your Firefox to it, and it'll likely run smoother, with less crashes, and yet still work with all your plugins and add-ons.

Here's what both browsers look like on my system when on Windows 7 :

(http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b366/DanielGravesNL/PaleMoon.jpg)

(http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b366/DanielGravesNL/FlamedFox.jpg)

Adblock plus runs smooooooooth as Vodka on Pale Moon, even with giant addblocking lists and lots of hidden elements on every site i visit (even this one).
Title: Re: Which browser?
Post by: old-and-in-the-way on February 19, 2011, 11:35:15 pm
I doubt he's using it from Debian though, last time i checked he still depended on Windows too much for most of his software.

It also made me wonder, because i couldn't find any pre-compiled installers for windows, and any compiling info that anyone short of a real geek could use to compile it.

There is no point using iceweasel from windows -- it only exists because Debian prefer to back port fixes to stable than ship potentially buggy releases from upstream. (Edit:  Well, that, and the logo trademark thing)


Quote
By the way, didn't it become IceCat for all non-Debian uses, again because of conflicts with the project's leaders ? (just like with those dorks who now run Firefox ?)
Because all i cound find for my OpenSUSE through YAST (i'm lazy, i know) was IceCat.

AFAIK, IceCat is the GNU fork of firefox/iceweasel that attempts to prevent non-free (as in speech) things from being loaded.
Title: Re: Which browser?
Post by: old-and-in-the-way on February 19, 2011, 11:46:52 pm
Just found iceweasel4windows32 project on sourceforge.  Xaromir:  don't bother with that if you are looking for anything different to firefox -- it's exactly the same thing, only with less testing because the user-base is smaller.


In defence of firefox/iceweasel, it's plenty fast and stable enough for me -- I leave machines running for weeks at a time, with browsers open with multiple tabs the whole while, and rarely experience crashes.

Then again, I do have java disabled, no flash plugin at all and noscript keeping most third party buggy javascript at bay.  These are the things most likely to kill any browser.
Title: Re: Which browser?
Post by: Gandsfjord on February 20, 2011, 02:21:32 pm
I've switched to Google Chrome on both Windows and Linux (Debian).
Went through Opera and Firefox on the journey from IE to here - over the past 10 years. But as others have said; they're almost as bad as IE these days. Bloated and slow, and sometimes take ages to start up if they're set on installing some update....

Any information that Google would like to store about me, I'm sure thay can get regardless of which browser I use (gmail, gDocs and plain old Google will take care of that).
Title: Re: Which browser?
Post by: Dan Graves on February 20, 2011, 10:45:43 pm

Any information that Google would like to store about me, I'm sure thay can get regardless of which browser I use (gmail, gDocs and plain old Google will take care of that).

Hence why some of us don't use any of that xx--xx  ;) ;D
Title: Re: Which browser?
Post by: Xaromir on February 21, 2011, 02:01:47 pm
Sorry for being gone so long.
Yes i had it from SF, and yes it had most of the crap i'm struggling with in FF, wouldn't work with adblock for some reason, and then some...
Deleted it, but i also deleted my bookmarks and addon. Will try palemoon, i guess i also give midori a shot,
who knows, maybe i like it. ;D

I thought of iceweasle as of some sort of FF-Light, without looking into it, bad error as it turns out.
I used to have debian at some point, i remember the installation, an epic 3 way battle between me, 12 CDs and sleep deprivation.
I had a odd mindset at that point like "i spend a whole day downloading all of it now i have to install all of it".
Yes i'm using windows, rebooting for games is to much of a pain imho, and who wants to emulate almost everything normally used on a daily basis?
I really used to love slackware, but just don't have the space at the moment,
guess it will have a dedicated hdd later this year as i want to build a new pc for tes-skyrim.
Well either slackware or gentoo.

Concerning google:
I agree, but once you get into it it's hard to escape that really, you have to give them that:
It's really comfortable and actually works.
Used GMX on the side for a while, bad bad spam filter. What good alternatives are there really?
I know dan uses xs4all, is their web client and spam filter any good?
Something else maybe? I used to be a educated and reasonable user at some point. What happened?
Dunno, i guess google happened.
Title: Re: Which browser?
Post by: Dan Graves on February 21, 2011, 02:22:33 pm
Xs4all are really decent Xaro, i've yet to receive any spam in any of my 4 inboxes.
But they are mainly an ISP, not sure if they still provide seperate mail services these days, besides the Business type email service.

As for google, i am 100% Google free these days.
Yahoo and DuckDuckGo replaced it easily in terms of search, and all their other xx--xx i didn't really need.
Not that Yahoo is that great, but the search results are the same as Google's.
Also, i dumped Youtube, and killed my Gmail.
Killed it dead, wif FIRE !  ;)
Title: Re: Which browser?
Post by: LievenDV on February 21, 2011, 03:49:37 pm
for me it's FF because of the added value with the plugins.
Ok it gets bloaty from time to time and sites like gmail and facebook need to be closed or they "alt-tab" my games and pull my pc out of "sleep".

I only launch IE for testing when I'm building a site, just as chrome.
Title: Re: Which browser?
Post by: Xaromir on February 21, 2011, 07:49:41 pm
DV: Doubt it's "sites like" it's propably firefox.
I also had the problem that i got thrown on my desktop,
it was because firefox was minimized to the task bar.

Dan:
Well i may check it in the future.
Getting rid of YouTube is even harder, since it isn't only my own decision.
There is so much stuff on it.
It still may be the most logical thing to do, and it probably is for most providers of original content,
since it practically offers one of the biggest audience you can get today,
it can also easily embedded into blogs many forums and social networks etc etc,
while many may not support blip or vimeo etc, at least not in a idiot friendly way.
But yes, it's a pain, i had a bird in america for a little while,
when she tried to send me a video it usually wouldn't work because i'm in the wrong country.
Back then people used to say the internet is a place that doesn't know boarders, bla bla bla.
What happened to that? Big company stole my interwebs. :<
I know i still can use a proxy, but it's always so darn slow, and still not the real thing.
Well some day i may go back to using metacrawler, it wasn't so bad back then.
Title: Re: Which browser?
Post by: DeadlyChicken on February 21, 2011, 11:30:18 pm
I still like google chrome, I never got the fuss about having a million plugins that all the firefox people always raved about.  Then again I like doing things the manual way so I remember how you are supposed to do them ;)  if there was an even more minimalist browser that was as fast as chrome, then I would probably use that instead ;)
Title: Re: Which browser?
Post by: Xaromir on February 22, 2011, 01:29:14 am
Oh there is a lot my friend.
I tried Midori as Dan mentioned it.
I actually like it, but some aspects i don't like, which is mainly the look,
which reminds me a lot of when i used netscape. I'm sure it can be modded, it seems to be open source,
and i don't like certain things are done, i guess it's a getting used to thing, but it's very clean (bit sterile),
quick and everything is sorted, you can change the major things like the fonds, character encoding,
and i think you can turn off pictures, you can make it delete cookies after you close it.
So it got the basics and some more, but everything very down to earth and with a purpose which i like.
It also got a netscape mode - no xx--xx, and it's turned on, couldn't be bothered to try it without right now.
But i bet it's one of the quickest things around if you turn off pictures, and even with it's darn fast.*/**
If you look for something really stripped down you try lynx it's text only.
Screenshots at the bottom.

I'm using palemoon right now, how can something with such a xx--xx name be so good?
It really is nice, it's quicker then ff after i practically re-seted it, with the addons/plugins.
So far i only got: adblock, fxif, personas (i'm a visual person), stumble and greasemonky.
Plugins are a bit more plentiful so i will not list them.

*well, why don't i use midori then? It just doesn't appeal to me, mostly a visual thing,
and how things are done, for example i can't use the buttons on the side of my mouse to go back or forward,
but otherwise a really nice little browser, and i had fun trying it.

**i should mention that my connection also is quite quick.
I know i can get up to 25/5, maybe the server had a bad day.
(http://www.speedtest.net/result/1168171529.png) (http://www.speedtest.net)

Midori:
(http://i394.photobucket.com/albums/pp26/Xaromir/mio1.jpg)
http://i394.photobucket.com/albums/pp26/Xaromir/mio1.jpg

Lynx:
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/de/b/b8/Lynx_Browser_2.png)
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/de/b/b8/Lynx_Browser_2.png
Title: Re: Which browser?
Post by: Dan Graves on February 22, 2011, 01:33:24 am
Lol, i use Lynx to talk to my Fido server  ;D
Title: Re: Which browser?
Post by: close2u on August 01, 2011, 08:25:15 am
Firefox is now becoming a right pain in the backside for me on my laptop.
New tabs take ages to open.
Sometimes 'Not Responding' hangs for ages, especially when running youtube.
Sometimes it crashes.
The latest IE on my main PC is also a nightmare.

What are the most recent and recommended browsers?

How do I cleanly and fully uninstall firefox and IE if I make a change?

How do I transfer my favourites/bookmarks if i make a change?

Thanks

 :)
Title: Re: Which browser?
Post by: Gandalf on August 01, 2011, 01:12:03 pm
Close, it is possible to uninstall FF and not loose all your bookmarks when you reinstall.

If you want, pm me your phone number and I will talk you through it.
Title: Re: Which browser?
Post by: Wishbone on August 01, 2011, 01:22:40 pm
Alternately...... you could use Mozbackup (http://mozbackup.jasnapaka.com/). It's a fairly handy tool for backing up bookmarks and settings in Mozilla to a single backup file.
Title: Re: Which browser?
Post by: close2u on August 01, 2011, 01:39:09 pm
helpful answers / offers fellas - thanks

main question - which browser would be better than FF or IE latest?

Title: Re: Which browser?
Post by: Wishbone on August 01, 2011, 03:00:22 pm
Just a thought, Close........ but have you set a rule in your firewall to allow 'plugin-container.exe'? 

Mine ran like a pig until I sorted that out.........
Title: Re: Which browser?
Post by: LBro on August 01, 2011, 03:03:36 pm
Hi,
In IE 9 and erlier you can export favorits by doing the following:

The way you do it in IE8 and earlier is: "Click the Favorites button,  click the arrow next to the Add to Favorites button,   and then click Import and Export".

There is no arrow next to the add favorites button in IE9.

It's been moved under "File".  Click the File button, then click Import and export, then either export to or import from a flie; then follow the instructions to complete the file import or export.

LB
Title: Re: Which browser?
Post by: Dan Graves on August 01, 2011, 03:38:50 pm
IE ?
Are you kidding ?
Please tell me you're kidding.

@ Close : PALE MOON !!!!
Title: Re: Which browser?
Post by: Cue Zephyr on August 01, 2011, 03:53:27 pm
Just a thought, Close........ but have you set a rule in your firewall to allow 'plugin-container.exe'?  

Mine ran like a pig until I sorted that out.........
Can you tell me what exactly is going on there? What is there to sort out, exactly?
Thanks.

@Dan
Cool, thanks - will try that one as well!
Title: Re: Which browser?
Post by: Dan Graves on August 01, 2011, 04:43:36 pm
The plugin container takes care of the flash and java plugins and such, and if your firewall blocks it, it will slow everything down like mad, beyond causing crashes.

But yeah, use Pale Moon and it's migration tool.
It's Firefox without the bloat or the other crap.
Title: Re: Which browser?
Post by: Cue Zephyr on August 01, 2011, 04:49:36 pm
I've already run into a problem with Pale Moon... I use the standard Windows magnifying tool (otherwise I can't read or see what I'm writing) and it doesn't react to the cursor positions in Pale Moon. The only browsers which I've found to actually support this are IE and Firefox. I used Chrome for a brief period of time and that also refused to support it (not sure how it is now, though).
Title: Re: Which browser?
Post by: Wishbone on August 01, 2011, 06:39:12 pm
Cue-

Further to Dan's explanation......... As of Firefox update to version 3.16 or 3.18 or so (can't remember which), they decided to allow 'plugin-container.exe' to handle extensions. What happened though, was that firewalls blocked it automatically and it wasn't very well explained to the average newbie that it was ok to allow it. Ergo, it ended up blocked and Firefox would go bonkers as a result.

It took me five minutes of head scratching before I'd figured out what they'd done......... but I've unblocked a fair few PC's whose owners have been tearing their hair out trying to figure out what was going on.
Title: Re: Which browser?
Post by: Cue Zephyr on August 01, 2011, 07:06:27 pm
I'm not sure if plugin-container.exe is blocked or not. I do have been wondering what it was before, when I saw it in the task manager for the first time. I can't really find a rule to allow the exe to send or receive connections - but then again I don't know under which name it resides in that list.
Title: Re: Which browser?
Post by: Wishbone on August 01, 2011, 09:27:21 pm
Whichever firewall you have, there will be a facility in the settings for allowing or restricting access for any programmes requiring network access. These generally take the form of rules lists and are usually divided into three main lists: Trusted, Untrusted and Restricted Access (or by some other name, but the function remains the same). You can set custom rules yourself, but those are the three basic attributes of your rules lists.

You need to find those settings and make sure 'plugin-container.exe' is allowed access, or it ceases to function properly and causes no end of silly buggers in Firefox.
Title: Re: Which browser?
Post by: close2u on August 01, 2011, 11:05:10 pm
Just a thought, Close........ but have you set a rule in your firewall to allow 'plugin-container.exe'? 

Just looked and it has full access

ok

so if I go with Pale Moon and transfer my bookmarks ok, how do I fully uninstall my other browsers? I don't need more than one do I?
Title: Re: Which browser?
Post by: Dan Graves on August 02, 2011, 12:02:53 am
Well i wouldn't try to uninstall IE, windows will have a fit.
But Firefox uninstall just like any other software : control panel > programs and feautures > pick out firefox and uninstall that resource hog !
Title: Re: Which browser?
Post by: old-and-in-the-way on August 02, 2011, 06:04:59 am
IE ?
Are you kidding ?
Please tell me you're kidding.

I'm saying nothing, honest gov (http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/07/29/aptiquant_iq_survey/)
Title: Re: Which browser?
Post by: Wishbone on August 02, 2011, 07:10:31 am
Old-

I read that one last night as I sat down for my first cuppa after work........ Nearly killed another keyboard  ;D
Title: Re: Which browser?
Post by: close2u on August 02, 2011, 07:34:00 am
Well i wouldn't try to uninstall IE, windows will have a fit.

I did wonder about that ... which is why I asked. Thanks Dan.

+

that link from old-and-in-the-way
no mention in that article of Pale Moon ... but mentions for Opera and Camino
is Pale Moon so new and little known?

I definitely want to change emy PC over from IE

but for my laptop ... what are the pros & cons of Pale Moon  over FF?
Title: Re: Which browser?
Post by: Wishbone on August 02, 2011, 08:22:51 am
Close-

IE is so deeply integrated into the Windows OS that you'll lobotomise your pc if you actually manage to uninstall it completely. The best thing is to keep it up to date, but just don't use it  :-\
Title: Re: Which browser?
Post by: Cue Zephyr on August 02, 2011, 11:58:21 am
What Wish said. And I can't do without IE because some things (very few things nowadays) actually don't work in Firefox which do in IE. I had even more problems with this compatibility issue when I still used Chrome.

@old

Well, I guess I'm of average intelligence... ;D
Great link!
Title: Re: Which browser?
Post by: Dan Graves on August 02, 2011, 06:22:10 pm
Well i wouldn't try to uninstall IE, windows will have a fit.

I did wonder about that ... which is why I asked. Thanks Dan.

+

that link from old-and-in-the-way
no mention in that article of Pale Moon ... but mentions for Opera and Camino
is Pale Moon so new and little known?

I definitely want to change emy PC over from IE

but for my laptop ... what are the pros & cons of Pale Moon  over FF?

No bloatware, less CPU and memory use, you decide if you want the old Firefox look or if you like the new and 'improved' GUI...
And best of all, since it basically is just a redressed, mimimal version of Firefox, you can migrate all your addons.
Title: Re: Which browser?
Post by: Dan Graves on August 02, 2011, 06:25:34 pm
IE ?
Are you kidding ?
Please tell me you're kidding.

I'm saying nothing, honest gov (http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/07/29/aptiquant_iq_survey/)

I read that and spat my Jolt cola all over my screen.
Once i forwarded the link to all my coworkers/minions, i heard a collective 'sploosh!' coming from the office floor as they all spat their starschmucks latté's and other overpriced coffees over their collective screens.
The kleenex people will be making a lot of extra cash this week.
Title: Re: Which browser?
Post by: Cue Zephyr on August 02, 2011, 11:12:19 pm
I'm ashamed now to say I actually like Opera. :P
Title: Re: Which browser?
Post by: close2u on August 03, 2011, 09:09:25 pm
I installed Pale Moon - migrated my settings then uninstalled Firefox.

Same as before ...

go to open a new tab and it takes ages ... sometimes hanging for 10 seconds or more ... sometimes the screen brings up a strange distorted shot of another tab ... mostly if youtube tab is open ....

Also I used to copy, paste, open links quickly by

Ctrl C
Ctrl T
Ctrl V
Enter

that doesn't work now as the tab opens so slowly

harumph!

 ???

btw
this is on my laptop
haven't altered desktop yet from IE
Title: Re: Which browser?
Post by: Dan Graves on August 04, 2011, 12:58:16 am
Which version of Pale Moon did you install, the 3.x or 4.x branch ?
And what kind of CPU does your lappy have close ?
Title: Re: Which browser?
Post by: close2u on August 04, 2011, 07:01:37 am
Dan, there were two options

3.6.18 or 5.0
I opted for 5.0

CPU is a Pentium Dual Core T4200 @2.00 GHz ... 3.00GB RAM, 32 bit OS, Vista home premium


I'm wondering if it's something to do with youtube or streaming .... the first time I go to watch a yt vid after start up it takes a while to get going, the strange screen when opening a new tab is usually of the yt tab that is open ... is there some sort of compatibility / associated file type that I may need to install or upgrade causing this?

On a separate issue ... in the forum ... to submit or review a post ... alt+s and alt+p don't work in pale moon ... they do in IE ... can I alter the settings to get this functionality back?

Thanks
Title: Re: Which browser?
Post by: misterg on August 04, 2011, 09:51:15 am
@ C2u - Granny & eggs thing, but are you confident you haven't got some malware in there?
Title: Re: Which browser?
Post by: Dan Graves on August 04, 2011, 02:37:02 pm
You should have opted for the 3x. branch close, less CPU intensive.
However, it should not run this slow.
I'd suggest removing all Java and adobe flash/shockwave installs, reinstalling them and seeing if one of them is the culprit.
This is starting to sound like Java and it's 40 thieves, uhm, i mean, 40 installs hogwash from before it was bought by Oracle.

As for IE functions : different browser man, different keycombos.
Alt+s and alt+p doesn't do anything in my IE or Pale Moon (beyond making ß and ö symbols), so i'm wondering what you have assigned to that  ???
Title: Re: Which browser?
Post by: close2u on August 04, 2011, 02:58:27 pm
malware ... I've done virus scans and security checks .. but who knows what lurks beneath?

version 3 or 5 ... worth swapping?

I have had messages in youtube about video not playing , update player ...

I think Java recently flashed an update message at me too which I may have gone along with

I got rid of adobe from a long ago suggestion you made to get a different pdf reader

shockwave ... need to check
Title: Re: Which browser?
Post by: Dan Graves on August 04, 2011, 03:43:49 pm
Adobe FLASH close, shockwave and flash are now owned by Adobe ;-)
Just do as i suggested : uninstall flash, shockwave and ANY instances of java, clean out the registry (try ccleaner) then get new installers for all of them and reinstall them.
I'll bet it'll help at least a little bit.
Title: Re: Which browser?
Post by: close2u on August 04, 2011, 04:24:20 pm
I'll try that and report back
thanks Dan

 :)
Title: Re: Which browser?
Post by: LBro on August 05, 2011, 10:34:38 pm
Close,
Just a quick thought on this end...
Just noticed something and I do not think it is your problem but you might get some perforamance gain from this little deal. Is your Ram DDR? Your "3.00GB RAM" is an odd amount and possibly another stick would ballance out the load there. Do you have 4 rambo slots? If it is DDR Ram and if a slott is open I would consider adding one more stick of RAM. Are you running 32 a 32 bit OS? If by chance you are up in 64 bit land that extra RAM will help there as well.

LB
Title: Re: Which browser?
Post by: close2u on August 05, 2011, 10:46:46 pm
@ Dan

Ok

all of those programs uninstalled and installed again

pale moon running

full ccleaner done

custom scan done

all seems much better and tabs are opening with no hanging ... seems good

@ LBro

I'm not sure what that all means .. I know it's 32 bit ... don't know about the DDR or Rambo slots

Title: Re: Which browser?
Post by: LBro on August 05, 2011, 11:08:11 pm
I should stop my slang Close... I mean RAM slotts. Sorry I do see you said 32 bit now below as well and Vista. Hum.... is this a clone computer or a brand one that has a model number? If you supply that I will look up the Ram specs for ya... Dan might know it off the top of his head though if He is around. Sufice to say DDR RAM runs best in sets... of 2 normally unless something passed me by. On mother boards with 4 slotts you are normaly better off populationg either 2 slots or 4. But normaly in sets of 2. Matched set is even better.

Here is a bit on DDR:
"Short for Double Data Rate-Synchronous DRAM, a type of SDRAM that supports data transfers on both edges of each clock cycle (the rising and falling edges), effectively doubling the memory chip's data throughput. DDR-SDRAM also consumes less power, which makes it well-suited to notebook computers. DDR-SDRAM is also called SDRAM II. and DDRAM."
Reff: Webopedia...
Note the importand thing here is DDR Ram needs 2 sticks together to do it's magic throughput doubling.

LB
Title: Re: Which browser?
Post by: close2u on August 05, 2011, 11:12:43 pm
this is the laptop & specs

Samsung R519 15.6in Laptop V2.
Intel Pentium Dual Core Processor T4200.  2GHz processor speed.  1MB cache.  3GB DDR2 RAM.  15.6in screen size.  Resolution 1366 x 768 pixels.  Widescreen.  250GB hard drive.  DVD Super Multi Dual Layer optical drive.  Intel GMA 4500M (Int. Graphic) graphics.  Shared Memory (Int. Graphic) graphics.  Media card reader - compatible with 3-in-1 (SD, SDHC, MMC).  3 x USB 2.0 ports.  1 x Ethernet ports.  HD (High Definition) Audio.  0.3Mp webcam.  802.11b/g wireless enabled.  Windows Vista Home Premium.  Software included: Adobe Acrobat Reader, Easy Battery Manager, Easy Display Manger, Easy Network Manager, Easy SpeedUp Manager, Samsung Magic Doctor, Samsung Update Plus.
Title: Re: Which browser?
Post by: irishalkies on August 05, 2011, 11:28:38 pm
I remember I had the same problem as you Close. Wishbone and Dan told me to do the Java uninstall/reinstall thing and it sorted it out straight away. I make sure I only keep the latest versions these days.

http://justinguitarcommunity.com/index.php?topic=22116.0
Title: Re: Which browser?
Post by: LBro on August 05, 2011, 11:43:10 pm
Close,
Not sure if your V2 = Samsung R519-FA02 Notebook which is what I found and what I think is an original one without any FA02 or V2 behind it was made as well.

For the FA02 - the specs are as as follows:
Standard Memory: 1 GB  (Removable)  or
2 GB  (Removable)   
Maximum Memory: 4 GB   
Expansion: 2 Sockets   
CPU & ChipSet: Intel Pentium Dual Core  2.1  GHz   Intel GL40
Bus Architecture: Flash - SDHC; SSD - SATA 2.5-inch 9.5mm; USB 
Mfgr's System P/N's: NP-R519-FA02FR; NP-R519-FA02HK; NP-R519-FA02UK; NP-R519-JA08UK; NP-R519-JA0CUK; NP-R519-JAE1UK; NP-R519-XA03PL 
Comments  If 4GB is installed, the recognized memory may be reduced to 3.5GB or less (depending on system configuration and memory allocation). 

M25664G60 = Kingston part number.
2GB DDR2-800 Module = The upgrade RAM module if upon opening up the notebook memory compartment it is found to be as I suspect.

More than likely with your 32 bit OS you will not see it doing much with an extra GB of RAM. I think right now you memory is:
1 2GB RAM Module
&
1 1GB RAM Module
3 GB total... You may see a bit of a performance increase by replacing the 1 GB memory module with a 2 GB module.

Again this is not your main problem, but it might help some. Now a days with RAM so low in cost you might look into it deeper. I did a quick search and found that RAM at less than $30 mer module!

Lets see what Dan and others think on this one.

LB
Title: Re: Which browser?
Post by: LBro on August 05, 2011, 11:48:59 pm
Close,
Another upgrade to consider would be this:
Storage  HDD  250GB (5,400rpm S-ATA)

If you are doing a lot of DAW work with recordings, video work and other disk intensive stuff a 7,200 RPM Hard Disk would help out there as well. You could add more space, speed and still be under $60 for this upgrade. I did notice a difference when I did this upgrade on my notebook.

LB
Title: Re: Which browser?
Post by: Dan Graves on August 05, 2011, 11:57:46 pm
I think that with his browsing problem solved, we don't need to muck about with his system anymore.
Also, he most likely has 2 1.5 gig sticks of RAM in there, something i've seen a few times before in DDR2 using laptops.
I know close also has a desktop so i don't feel like telling him to go and change bits on the lappy.
Title: Re: Which browser?
Post by: LBro on August 06, 2011, 12:03:54 am
Thanks Dan,
Did not know about the desktop.... Hum, I have not seen much 1.5 GB Ram modules before!
Sounds like standing pat is a good deal then.

LB
Title: Re: Which browser?
Post by: Dan Graves on August 06, 2011, 12:09:05 am
Yeah, it's easy to skip over, i figured i'd mention it and save you some time, i think he might have several PC's, much like me and TB-AV (and a few others, i suspect)  ;)
And yeah, they're the odd ones out, those 1½ gig sticks of RAM (technically they're over 1½, but meh), but i've seen it happen before on laptops.
Title: Re: Which browser?
Post by: close2u on August 07, 2011, 10:14:47 am
I said all was working well ... just hit one snag ... on the PC I use a wireless mouse ... the side buttons for back and forward no longer work in pale moon ... I did a quick search in pale moon FAQs and found something about add-ons ... is this the problem?
Title: Re: Which browser?
Post by: Dan Graves on August 07, 2011, 10:42:57 am
Could be close, my mouse worked fine before on firefox and still works fine on pale moon...
Maybe a driver issue ?
Tried updating the mouse drivers/controlling software ? (if it's a logitech mouse make sure setpoint is up to date)
Title: Re: Which browser?
Post by: thepicnicband on October 19, 2011, 11:21:26 pm
I'm happy with Firefox 3. I'm just dreading having to "upgrade" one day. It runs nice and fast and all my addons (28 of them) work just fine.  :)
Title: Re: Which browser?
Post by: Cue Zephyr on October 20, 2011, 01:36:48 am
I've gone all the way to 7.0.1 - wondering when 8 will come out, haha. I have a few plug-ins but there's only one I really use and it's AdBlock Plus. :D