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Title: IM-125 • Intermediate Rhythm Guitar 2
Post by: justinguitar on December 03, 2010, 02:08:03 pm
Questions...

Lesson Link: http://www.justinguitar.com/en/IM-125-Rhythm16-2.php
Title: Re: IM-125 • Intermediate Rhythm Guitar 2
Post by: player-one on January 03, 2011, 05:27:13 pm
general strumming question:

when it comes to strumming ( playing with just one guitar).. should we be counting constantly with fixed pattern or just let it flow freely?

i kinda let it flow but sometimes i am not sure if i am in time
Title: Re: IM-125 • Intermediate Rhythm Guitar 2
Post by: flyhead on January 03, 2011, 06:00:55 pm
As long as you master being able to play perfectly in the prescribed pattern, then yes, let it all hang out. If you are unable to keep a perfect pattern going, then no, you need to work on technique and timing; playing freely cannot be a soft option for lack of practice.
Title: Re: IM-125 • Intermediate Rhythm Guitar 2
Post by: player-one on January 03, 2011, 06:31:58 pm
thanks!

i have been wandering around 'intermediate' level for a couple of years and was learning via online/books etc.

I have been able to stick to 'prescribed pattern' usually though not practising with a metronome which is a big mistake.
When I strum, I tend to (without thinking) vary the pattern and accents slightly on each chord change just to keep things interesting throughout the song. I do aim to change it on time and kinda use my tapping foot/head as a guide to timing.

Question is if that is ok or if I should always stick to the same pattern, but let it subconsciously flow?

ps: I am glad Justin made this intermediate series because now i can really go through the basics and get a solid foundation. Thanks!!
Title: Re: IM-125 • Intermediate Rhythm Guitar 2
Post by: flyhead on January 03, 2011, 06:54:58 pm
When practicing strumming, keep it technical and by the book. When performing, follow your instincts. It is often said of guitarists that there are few who are truly accomplshed or dependable rythm players. It's worth putting the work into honing your skills in this regard; when you do eventually vary your patterns you will be able to do so whilst keeping perfect time.
Title: Re: IM-125 • Intermediate Rhythm Guitar 2
Post by: justinguitar on January 04, 2011, 07:01:42 pm
playing the one pattern real good is a great skill to develop. When you play "for real" there are bound to be some little variations, but on the whole it should lock into some kinda groove!
Title: Re: IM-125 • Intermediate Rhythm Guitar 2
Post by: Ironcross83 on January 15, 2011, 06:32:31 pm
I can do the accent pattern ok and almost in time but as soon as I put my foot in I cant seem to stay on the pattern more than one bar, im thrown out of time and everything goes to a big mess... Any suggestions for me?
Title: Re: IM-125 • Intermediate Rhythm Guitar 2
Post by: flyhead on January 15, 2011, 06:43:30 pm
Learn to do it incrementally. Just combine muted strumming with foot-tapping (it helps to use a metronome or perhaps a backing track) before incorporating chord changes.
Title: Re: IM-125 • Intermediate Rhythm Guitar 2
Post by: TheCircle on February 05, 2011, 11:26:05 am
Great lesson, really like this pattern. I've got the strumming going really good at any speed,playing along to a metronome to keep in time, BUT, as soon as I attempt to tap my foot, well, you know the rest. I played muted long with metronome solid listening to the beats and keeping the strumming perfect. Maybe this is a good way of just putting the beat into your subconscious?  ???
Title: Re: IM-125 • Intermediate Rhythm Guitar 2
Post by: sophiehiker on February 05, 2011, 02:45:54 pm
...as I attempt to tap my foot...

Hate to go all "wu wu", but...  Don't attempt to tap your foot, let the foot tap itself.  It will find the beat.
Title: Re: IM-125 • Intermediate Rhythm Guitar 2
Post by: TimHelcycles on February 14, 2011, 06:02:19 am
I had big difficulties with this,. I could play the pattern, but once I added the counting and foot tapping, it was impossible. Solution is to play it really slowly, 'cos almost everything is possible if you do it slow enough. There's still lots of practise to do with this, but now I can play it in moderate speed.
Title: Re: IM-125 • Intermediate Rhythm Guitar 2
Post by: inthewind on February 22, 2011, 01:18:50 pm
I was also having problems with the foot tap.  Then about a week ago I noticed I was unconsciously tapping right along with the metronome.  Of course as soon as I noticed it all went to crap.  "The more you think .... "
Title: Re: IM-125 • Intermediate Rhythm Guitar 2
Post by: Svenshinhan on February 23, 2011, 08:28:27 pm
It took me a few days to get the foot tapping to actually be on the beats instead of the accents.

At first, as soon as I started tapping my foot, either I'd put the accents on the tap, or I'd tap my foot on every accent. Speed mattered little, it was just mentally difficult.

The reason is that you have to keep track of two "separate" rhythms, the normal foot tapping and the more irregular accents. I'd suggest just adding ONE accent at a time like Justin said in the vid and just play the rest normally until it feels comfortable, then add another.

After a few days my foot didn't feel the need to stray anymore and I can just play the rhythm without having to think too much about it. I haven't gotten it down perfect yet, but I can go on for like a minute or so before a mistake sneaks in. Now that it feels more natural it also stopped feeling like two separate rhythms going on at the same time. In my mind they've sort of fused together and are just part of a whole. Give it some time. :)
Title: Re: IM-125 • Intermediate Rhythm Guitar 2
Post by: donZabol on April 08, 2011, 11:22:51 am
I have a problem with that E shape barre chord pattern. When i'm relaxing it the note on the low e string is ringing a little longer than the others.
Title: Re: IM-125 • Intermediate Rhythm Guitar 2
Post by: komani86 on April 13, 2011, 11:42:14 pm
...as I attempt to tap my foot...

Hate to go all "wu wu", but...  Don't attempt to tap your foot, let the foot tap itself.  It will find the beat.

I dont completely agree with you.

It took me alot of focus and concentration to get my foot tapping on beat by itsself.
But at the start I was like, counting 1,2,3,4 and tapping my foot without playing.
Then I was strumming on 1,2,3,4 and then I was strumming on 1&2,3&4 and that gave me a bit of trouble but i focussed the first few days and then it came to me out of nothing.

But I still had to focus at the start.
Title: Re: IM-125 • Intermediate Rhythm Guitar 2
Post by: Yithpistol on May 28, 2011, 12:00:28 am
I am having the very likely common problem of tapping my foot on the accent. I think this was enforced by starting out with accenting the first beat when learning the 16th note strumming. My muscles seem to associate the accent with a foot tap. Everytime I accent a beat my foot goes to tap it. Drives me crazy. I always drag this part of the regimen past 5 mins and into 10 or 15 because I feel like I am almost there.

So I guess the consensus here is to do it REALLY SLOWLY. I had some progress letting each metronome beat represent an 8th note. When the beat is too slow (30-40) it presents a totally new problem of trying to play evenly through a large gap of time between beats.

So Day 3 on IF-2 and I am still trudging through this accent pattern. Still, it seems a really great way to learn to play & count & "think" complicated rhythms. I have a feeling when I get through this I will be very proud of myself.

Any other advice on getting the foot in control and independent of the accent?
Title: Re: IM-125 • Intermediate Rhythm Guitar 2
Post by: jerronimo3000 on May 28, 2011, 01:20:39 am
like you said, you just have to do it very very very very very slowly.  Try counting out loud, without playing your guitar, and stress the #, ee, and, or uh for the accent that you would normally play.  Tap your foot only on the number.  This should help you associate the number with a foot tap and not an accented syllable.  Once you can do this, get your guitar and continue saying the rhythm out loud while you play.  As always, start slow.  :)
Title: Re: IM-125 • Intermediate Rhythm Guitar 2
Post by: komani86 on May 30, 2011, 09:59:17 pm
Something somewhat related, I have huge trouble playing a reggae beat at full speed (16th note strummin)

When I do it slow I can say "1 & 2 & 3 & 4 &" and tap on 1-2-3-4 and strum on the &'s, but when I speed it up I really have to focus ALOT to keep strumming on the and's. Dont have it SOMEHOW with accents when I was tapping in IM-2 lol, weird huh?

You'd think that that would be harder (accents)
Title: Re: IM-125 • Intermediate Rhythm Guitar 2
Post by: Dr Winterbourne on February 13, 2012, 05:34:02 pm
What songs do people know that use this Bo Diddley pattern? I have never listened to any Bo Diddley before. The ones that I have heard are

Faith - George Michael
Le Freak - Chic

and various George Thorogood songs.

What others do people know?
Title: Re: IM-125 • Intermediate Rhythm Guitar 2
Post by: justinguitar on February 15, 2012, 01:45:55 pm
Any of you that are struggling to keep your foot going solid while you're doing the 16th strumming patterns, including the accents - by far the best thing you can do is to practice at a slow to medium tempo, forget the accents, and just really work on getting a really strong down feeling on the beat. A solid tab of the foot combined with that down strum on the beat is what you really after.

Of course, playing with a metronome as well should help you keep the tempo even and consistent too.
Title: Re: IM-125 • Intermediate Rhythm Guitar 2
Post by: DeathMagnetic on April 05, 2012, 02:19:14 pm
How well should I be able to play this before moving ahead to the next rhythm-lesson?

I can play it right now with the accents and foot tapping only on the beat, without a problem. I can't count that good in my head though. I can't count the beats only (like: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4), but I can count 1-e-&-a-2-e-&-a and so on.

Should I move the the next, or should the counting be 100% before?
Title: Re: IM-125 • Intermediate Rhythm Guitar 2
Post by: augiewaz on July 26, 2012, 08:35:37 pm
Does anyone know what speed we should be going up to on the metronome for this?
I can go up to 90 without issues, slowing working up towards 100.

I dont want to know in the sense of being super fast but more what kind of speed could you expect a song that incorporates such a rhythm to be played at.

Thanks
Title: Re: IM-125 • Intermediate Rhythm Guitar 2
Post by: filiped on December 25, 2012, 10:47:01 pm
hi everyone.

excuse me, so, in the future I still gotta tap de foot on the beat?
is much harder to be playing a song while thinking about it. It realy goes instinctly?

Can do it, but I still get lost in the midle of the patern sometimes and gotta stop and think about what I was doing.
Title: Re: IM-125 • Intermediate Rhythm Guitar 2
Post by: Dr Winterbourne on December 25, 2012, 11:03:57 pm
Tapping your foot is not just for beginners. Check this out http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQJ1k2HMoRU

I always tap mine EXCEPT in this Bo Diddly pattern, which I still cant quite get. So, I am a bad boy.
Title: Re: IM-125 • Intermediate Rhythm Guitar 2
Post by: stitch101 on December 26, 2012, 12:03:41 am
Tapping your foot or bobbing your head will become natural as your internal metronome kicks in.
Watch Justin when he's playing a song. He keeps in the groove by bobbing his head.
http://justinguitar.com/en/SB-301-HoleHearted-Extreme.php
Title: Re: IM-125 • Intermediate Rhythm Guitar 2
Post by: bradt on December 26, 2012, 02:34:30 am
Yeah, it's weird. As you keep doing it, you find yourself eventually just tapping it the rhythm without even realizing it, or even trying. Trust me. I have always had absolutely no rhythm at all, so it's weird to me to suddenly realize that I am tapping along sometimes.

The neat part about it is that it is teaching you to internalize the rhythm instead of having it as something just out there in the song to keep up with. It's not about your foot at all really, it's about making you the metronome.

Eventually it's not something you try to do, or want to do, or need to do. It's just something you do without realizing it.
Title: Re: IM-125 • Intermediate Rhythm Guitar 2
Post by: samiosh on January 02, 2013, 02:39:37 pm
Does anyone know what speed we should be going up to on the metronome for this?
I can go up to 90 without issues, slowing working up towards 100.

I dont want to know in the sense of being super fast but more what kind of speed could you expect a song that incorporates such a rhythm to be played at.

Thanks

Well this is my question too... i keep practicing slowely (i'm around 70 now) but i want to set a goal like strumming 16th notes at 120 bpm or something...
Any advice???
Title: Re: IM-125 • Intermediate Rhythm Guitar 2
Post by: stitch101 on January 02, 2013, 03:37:13 pm
Get a metronome that has a increase speed feature. One that you can set to increase the clicks after
X amount of beat after X amount of time. So if your comfortable at 70bpm then start at 60bpm and have
the metronome increase the speed by 2 beats every 10 seconds until you start making mistakes.
then start at 70bpm. Keep doing this for 5 minutes every time you practice and you'll get faster in no
time.
Title: Re: IM-125 • Intermediate Rhythm Guitar 2
Post by: mouser9169 on January 05, 2013, 09:26:35 pm
Does anyone know what speed we should be going up to on the metronome for this?
I can go up to 90 without issues, slowing working up towards 100.

I dont want to know in the sense of being super fast but more what kind of speed could you expect a song that incorporates such a rhythm to be played at.

Thanks

Well this is my question too... i keep practicing slowely (i'm around 70 now) but i want to set a goal like strumming 16th notes at 120 bpm or something...
Any advice???

It depends on what style of music you want to play. I know it's a generic answer, but it's the truth. If you want to play shred lead guitar you have to be able to go a lot faster than someone playing country rhythms.

If you told us a few songs that you wanted to be able to play we could probably help you out more. If your metronome has a 'tap' tempo feature, you can listen to one of your 'goal' songs and tap in the beat - that will give you a number to go for. Actually your goal should be a bit higher so your not trying to perform at your maximum - you want to be performing in your 'comfort zone' which will always be a bit slower.
Title: Re: IM-125 • Intermediate Rhythm Guitar 2
Post by: samiosh on January 11, 2013, 07:25:57 pm
It depends on what style of music you want to play. I know it's a generic answer, but it's the truth. If you want to play shred lead guitar you have to be able to go a lot faster than someone playing country rhythms.

If you told us a few songs that you wanted to be able to play we could probably help you out more. If your metronome has a 'tap' tempo feature, you can listen to one of your 'goal' songs and tap in the beat - that will give you a number to go for. Actually your goal should be a bit higher so your not trying to perform at your maximum - you want to be performing in your 'comfort zone' which will always be a bit slower.

I play acoustic guitar, one of the songs is "The Who - Pinball Wizard". I just wanna set a max speed goal (a long term goal) so if i want to play any other song i don't have to start practicing all over again. I don't know if i make myself clear i'm not so good at english  :-\
Title: Re: IM-125 • Intermediate Rhythm Guitar 2
Post by: stitch101 on January 11, 2013, 07:39:53 pm
Keep upping your speed each day by 5 or 10 beat when your practicing and you'll get to 120 or higher
in no time.
As for playing song like Pinball Wizard you have to do the same thing, start slow enough where you don't
make mistakes and each day practice it a little faster.
Title: Re: IM-125 • Intermediate Rhythm Guitar 2
Post by: mouser9169 on January 12, 2013, 12:48:01 am
It depends on what style of music you want to play. I know it's a generic answer, but it's the truth. If you want to play shred lead guitar you have to be able to go a lot faster than someone playing country rhythms.

If you told us a few songs that you wanted to be able to play we could probably help you out more. If your metronome has a 'tap' tempo feature, you can listen to one of your 'goal' songs and tap in the beat - that will give you a number to go for. Actually your goal should be a bit higher so your not trying to perform at your maximum - you want to be performing in your 'comfort zone' which will always be a bit slower.

I play acoustic guitar, one of the songs is "The Who - Pinball Wizard". I just wanna set a max speed goal (a long term goal) so if i want to play any other song i don't have to start practicing all over again. I don't know if i make myself clear i'm not so good at english  :-\

Just a rough tapping into my drum machine/metronome tells me Pinball Wizard is somewhere around 120-130 bpm.

But keep in mind - 1/8th notes at 120bpm are slower than 16th notes at 90. So even setting a bpm goal isn't really the end all and be all of speed. Just set your metronome to go only as fast as you can play the most difficult section with NO mistakes. Then slowly work your way up from there.

There really are no shortcuts. Practicing one minute chords changes and scale runs will help - one more than the other if you're focused more on lead or rhythm, as will playing other music - don't focus on just one piece or you can fall into the trap of learning a memorized 'groove' instead of being able to play whatever comes your way.

I believe strongly in learning to sight read - which means looking at music to a song you've never heard before and being able to play it from what's written there.
Title: Re: IM-125 • Intermediate Rhythm Guitar 2
Post by: samiosh on January 12, 2013, 01:55:02 am
Thank you for your reply.

Well i have an acoustic so i only play rhythm guitar, I always practice my 16th notes strumming with a metronome for 5mn every day and i speed up only when i feel very comfortable with it, so i'll follow your advice and keep practicing like you told me and i'll not worry that much about the speed  :D

about sight reading, i only play guitar as a hobby so i don't think i'll need that.

Thank you everybody so much for the help ^^

Title: Re: IM-125 • Intermediate Rhythm Guitar 2
Post by: jabiodriozola on January 18, 2013, 11:00:07 am
Hello:

could i get the 16th strumming patterns and try to apply them to a song that i've been playing with diferent 8th strumming patterns?
i suppose the answer is "yes"
but i prefer to ask...

sorry for the spelling of my english!!

Title: Re: IM-125 • Intermediate Rhythm Guitar 2
Post by: jacksroadhouse on January 18, 2013, 04:28:50 pm
The question isn't, whether it's 8th note or 16th note strumming, it's whether or not the rhythm played with the pattern fits the song. Just try it out and see, what fits best.
Title: Re: IM-125 • Intermediate Rhythm Guitar 2
Post by: mouser9169 on January 18, 2013, 05:23:55 pm
Hello:

could i get the 16th strumming patterns and try to apply them to a song that i've been playing with diferent 8th strumming patterns?
i suppose the answer is "yes"
but i prefer to ask...

sorry for the spelling of my english!!

Yes, he's got a few in the lessons here and there. I think most of his 16th note patterns are on his strumming DVD's though.

Practice doing straight 16th note strumming first - then start leaving some notes out, or putting some in between an eighth not here and there.

Note: once you can do 16th note strumming consistently, you can use it to change any 8th note strumming pattern into all downstrums (or all upstrums for that matter).
Title: Re: IM-125 • Intermediate Rhythm Guitar 2
Post by: Gibbon on January 28, 2013, 10:30:50 pm
A yes or no question here: I can do this pattern perfectly, part from one thing. When I do the second accent I lift my foot, but I'm not tapping it until the "2"(when I'm supposed to!) so is this a problem? I think I normally, without thinking about it, lift my foot at the same time as my hand is going upwards on the beat before the actual tapping, but will this be a problem here? Since I'm actually tapping on the right beat and I can play this and all other strumming patterns until now without any problems

If so I believe it'll be taking me years to unlearn, I didn't even know I was doing it, until now:(
Title: Re: IM-125 • Intermediate Rhythm Guitar 2
Post by: stitch101 on January 28, 2013, 10:53:20 pm
As long as you're tapping on the beat. I see no problem
Title: Re: IM-125 • Intermediate Rhythm Guitar 2
Post by: lastnightilie on March 24, 2013, 12:42:51 am
@Gibbon, I think it's natural to pick up your foot on the beat before you tap... like when you are counting eighth notes and tapping on quarter notes, you would tap on the numbers and pick up your foot during the &s.

My question: I have a lot of experience with rhythms from music theory classes and things, and I have never had a problem (that I can remember) with tapping on the beat. However I never really learned how to play/count with accents until I did this lesson. I found it really easy to play the pattern (the counting in threes thing helped me a lot), and with a bit of effort it wasn't so hard to count with accents (like saying out loud "ONE e and A two e AND a..." and now I can easily count that way and do the accents at the same time, in time with a metronome. I cannot for the life of me do the foot taps. I'm trying really hard.

From all you foot tapping advocates, what is the downside of being able to play something in time with a beat but not being able to tap your foot only on the downbeat? I'll probably keep trying but I don't really see why it matters.
Title: Re: IM-125 • Intermediate Rhythm Guitar 2
Post by: sophiehiker on March 24, 2013, 01:10:36 pm
From all you foot tapping advocates, what is the downside of being able to play something in time with a beat but not being able to tap your foot only on the downbeat? I'll probably keep trying but I don't really see why it matters. 

It helps to know where you are in time in a score.  On which beat in which measure.   :) 
Title: Re: IM-125 • Intermediate Rhythm Guitar 2
Post by: perfopt on March 26, 2013, 03:39:13 pm
Should I be trying to change chords while strumming this patter ? Or for that matter any of the other patterns in the Intermediate course?
Title: Re: IM-125 • Intermediate Rhythm Guitar 2
Post by: bradt on March 26, 2013, 03:45:03 pm
once you have the pattern down comfortably, yes.
Title: Re: IM-125 • Intermediate Rhythm Guitar 2
Post by: Dr Winterbourne on April 04, 2013, 08:35:57 pm
And until you have it down, no.
Title: Re: IM-125 • Intermediate Rhythm Guitar 2
Post by: Majinn on May 01, 2013, 12:12:23 pm
Wow, I was goig to post something on here but lots of people seem to have had my problem.

I guess I will just have to slow things right down! Thanks to every one who took the time to post something on here, lots of useful reading material.

Majinn
Title: Re: IM-125 • Intermediate Rhythm Guitar 2
Post by: Slowtwitch on September 26, 2013, 07:24:49 am
I also struggle with foot tapping with this pattern.

Slowing things down, even waaaaay down does not seam to work for me.

I've got this pattern (and variations) waxed and playing chord progressions using it without any issues - up to about 100bpm. I actually have the next pattern in IM3 waxed as well - with proper foot tapping, leaving out notes, mixing it up etc, but for the life of me I can't get the foot tapping happening on beats 2 and 3 with this pattern.

I've been at it for a few months now and normally I've very good at tapping beats and independence of my hands and feet (almost like drummers), but this one... :-[
Title: Re: IM-125 • Intermediate Rhythm Guitar 2
Post by: Dr Winterbourne on September 26, 2013, 10:17:06 am
It has been years for me, and on this one pattern I have never been able to do it either., and I alwazs tap my foot and bounce my leg around and all sorts... I have learnt to live with it, but deep down inside I feel deficient somehow.
Title: Re: IM-125 • Intermediate Rhythm Guitar 2
Post by: TheReplicant on September 26, 2013, 07:08:57 pm
I started off really slowly.......like 20bpm slow and waited until I could do around 3 mins with no mistakes then raised it to 25bpm and repeated. It does get harder once you hit around 80bpm.

What I did was really stamp your foot on the beat as you're building up the speed and shout out the accented strums to implant them in your brain  :) It's harder to do at faster speeds but once you have it raising the tempo is a little easier.
Title: Re: IM-125 • Intermediate Rhythm Guitar 2
Post by: Slowtwitch on September 27, 2013, 10:18:22 am
After me posting here yesterday, I decided to give the foot tapping another go with new determination and focus - at very slow speed...

Any hey presto!

I managed it ok for approx. a minute at a time before fumbling up, 30-40bpm, but at least it is a start

 :D
Title: Re: IM-125 • Intermediate Rhythm Guitar 2
Post by: FCBfan on February 15, 2014, 04:35:08 pm
I'm having a go at this.... real slow + foottapping... not easy.
Muted struming ok, but then just one chord and I'm thrown off.  :D
After a while, however, it starts to work.

Patience and persistence !
Title: Re: IM-125 • Intermediate Rhythm Guitar 2
Post by: FCBfan on February 25, 2014, 11:07:28 am
Me again...
this one will take a while.

Justin suggests to start slowly at 60bpm.
Well, this is way to fast for me to start of with.

I think, to get going at this + foottapping and strumming an actual open chord (which is strangely enough more upsetting than muted strumming) : 44 bpm.

Are you sure you're comfortable to up the tempo ? Try making a chord change from eg G to C... from bar 1 to bar 2, or within the bar at the 3th beat for example.

Title: Re: IM-125 • Intermediate Rhythm Guitar 2
Post by: Stratofaster on March 15, 2014, 10:44:34 am
Is it normal that i can do all kinds of pattern without a pick smoothly , and when it comes to using a pick it sticks in the strings very often ?
Title: Re: IM-125 • Intermediate Rhythm Guitar 2
Post by: misterg on March 15, 2014, 11:54:22 am
Is it normal that i can do all kinds of pattern without a pick smoothly , and when it comes to using a pick it sticks in the strings very often ?

Yup! :)

What pick are you using?

The advice is to use a really thin, flexible pick to start with:

(http://justinguitar.com/images/BCv2_images/107-Nylon-thb.jpg)

"Jim Dunlop Nylon Gauge: .38mm or .46mm
These are very thin and great for strumming. However, any very thin pick will be fine; just try and get as thin as possible. I think this type should be first choice for a beginner guitar player, as they are very forgiving when you are learning to strum. "


From:

http://justinguitar.com/en/BC-107-PicksHolding.php

If you're already using one of these, then I'm afraid it's just practice! :)
Title: Re: IM-125 • Intermediate Rhythm Guitar 2
Post by: Stratofaster on March 15, 2014, 02:12:14 pm
Hi
I was using a 0.67 one , i just buy the 0.38 and it is a bit easier , thanks , with practice can i strum later with e 0.7 or even a 0.8 without problem ??
Title: Re: IM-125 • Intermediate Rhythm Guitar 2
Post by: Borodog on March 15, 2014, 02:58:20 pm
Yes. In the meantime relax and loosen the grip on the pick, not quite to the point of loosing the pick. Keep the pick flat to the strings, not at an angle. If you angle the pick there is a component of force that makes the pick want to rotate in your fingers, and you have to grip tighter to control it. You want a light pick and grip so that your pick and fingertips give instead of the pick catching in the strings.
Title: Re: IM-125 • Intermediate Rhythm Guitar 2
Post by: bradt on March 20, 2014, 04:27:30 am
Hi
I was using a 0.67 one , i just buy the 0.38 and it is a bit easier , thanks , with practice can i strum later with e 0.7 or even a 0.8 without problem ??

yes. I mostly use a .88 pick now, but used much thinner before. Guitar picks are very personal. there is no wrong there. Some very good guitar players use quite thin picks while others use super heavy ones. It just depends what you want to do.
Title: Re: IM-125 • Intermediate Rhythm Guitar 2
Post by: TheCasual on March 20, 2014, 12:20:45 pm
I'm struggling with this pattern.

I can accent on the beat.

But struggling to accent every three strums even at a snails pace.


Title: Re: IM-125 • Intermediate Rhythm Guitar 2
Post by: TheReplicant on March 20, 2014, 02:10:58 pm
I'm struggling with this pattern.

I can accent on the beat.

But struggling to accent every three strums even at a snails pace.

Start off painfully slow. 20bpm. Do muted strums with no accents and just count out the pattern verbally instead of in your head. Accent your voice so you're kind of shouting louder where the accented strums should be. I bit like a singer will accent certain words in a song. "1 ee & ah two ee & ah three ee & ah four ee & ah" are your lyrics. Once you're used to this you start strumming without the muting.

Through the course, any accents up until now have normally been on the beat and so you're synced your foot tapping with the accent in your head. Now the accents are sometimes on the beat and sometimes not and you don't have that connection. The accented shouting gives you a mental anchor on which to place the accented strums so you're syncing the strumming with your voice. Does that make sense?

Once you get it down at 20bpm you raise it up just 5bpm at a time. As it gets faster it's harder to count out verbally but by then it'll be getting into muscle memory and you might not have to do it all by actually shouting.

Also, give a good stamp on the beat with your foot. Some beats are accented and some not and it's harder to keep track of the beat when the accents can be anywhere in between.

I found watching my knee useful too. My knee is at it's lowest on the beat and highest on the '&s'. Sounds more complicated than it is written down but I found these things all helped me.
Title: Re: IM-125 • Intermediate Rhythm Guitar 2
Post by: lastnightilie on March 25, 2014, 11:14:53 pm
Am I the only one whose sense of rhythm totally falls apart at slower (<60 bpm) speeds? I guess that doesn't really make sense - you should either have a sense of rhythm or not have one - but it definitely happens to me.
Title: Re: IM-125 • Intermediate Rhythm Guitar 2
Post by: bradt on March 26, 2014, 02:35:36 am
Am I the only one whose sense of rhythm totally falls apart at slower (<60 bpm) speeds? I guess that doesn't really make sense - you should either have a sense of rhythm or not have one - but it definitely happens to me.

Nope. That's totally normal. Lower than 60 bpm is tough.

When I need to go lower than 60 I just set the metronome for double that and play every other beat (e.g. if I can only do 40, I set it at 80).
Title: Re: IM-125 • Intermediate Rhythm Guitar 2
Post by: TheCasual on March 26, 2014, 10:54:40 am
I'm struggling with this pattern.

I can accent on the beat.

But struggling to accent every three strums even at a snails pace.

Start off painfully slow. 20bpm. Do muted strums with no accents and just count out the pattern verbally instead of in your head. Accent your voice so you're kind of shouting louder where the accented strums should be. I bit like a singer will accent certain words in a song. "1 ee & ah two ee & ah three ee & ah four ee & ah" are your lyrics. Once you're used to this you start strumming without the muting.

Through the course, any accents up until now have normally been on the beat and so you're synced your foot tapping with the accent in your head. Now the accents are sometimes on the beat and sometimes not and you don't have that connection. The accented shouting gives you a mental anchor on which to place the accented strums so you're syncing the strumming with your voice. Does that make sense?

Once you get it down at 20bpm you raise it up just 5bpm at a time. As it gets faster it's harder to count out verbally but by then it'll be getting into muscle memory and you might not have to do it all by actually shouting.

Also, give a good stamp on the beat with your foot. Some beats are accented and some not and it's harder to keep track of the beat when the accents can be anywhere in between.

I found watching my knee useful too. My knee is at it's lowest on the beat and highest on the '&s'. Sounds more complicated than it is written down but I found these things all helped me.

Sorry forgot to reply to this.

This really helped me. I can't believe how much I've improved in 6 days.

Thank you.
Title: Re: IM-125 • Intermediate Rhythm Guitar 2
Post by: Chronic on February 26, 2015, 05:21:48 pm
Hello, So, I'm stuck on this lesson.  I just cannot tap my foot to the beat and play this rhythm. I've tried at the most slowest speed and still can't do it.  I can play the rhythm fine without foot tapping, but I just struggle with tapping on the beat.  My foot wants to tap on the accent. I just can't stop doing that.  My question is should I keep trying (which I've been working on for 2 months) or move on?  This is the last thing that I haven't worked out in IM foundation 2. 

 
Title: Re: IM-125 • Intermediate Rhythm Guitar 2
Post by: shadowscott007 on February 26, 2015, 06:00:08 pm
Can you listen only with out playing and tap correctly?  Do that more.

Can you clap the rhythm while tapping correctly?  Do that more.

Can you simplify the rhythm, or eliminate the accent, and tap correctly? 

Shadow
Title: Re: IM-125 • Intermediate Rhythm Guitar 2
Post by: Boris.Toninski on August 22, 2015, 05:19:23 pm
I'm practicing this pattern for some time and now I want to try it with some real songs.

Can someone suggest some songs except Faith, that are using this pattern?

Thanks!
Title: Re: IM-125 • Intermediate Rhythm Guitar 2
Post by: tobyjenner on September 04, 2015, 08:37:50 pm
Only started working on this lesson this week and the plan is to progress through RUST DVD 2 patterns 24 to 27, the latter being covered by this lesson.

Interesting to go back over the last 5 years of comments in this thread, to find I'm not the only one having trouble adding the foot taps !

Guess slowing down to 20 bpm or so is the answer but should I be foot tapping to start with ? If I count the
One e & a 2 e AND a 3 e & a FOUR e & a for example I can strum in sync. Add the foot I'll tap One Two And Four missing the 3 entirely. So should I just slow down and tap or just count to start with?

Secondly I normally use a .6 or .73 max grip for rhythm - Dunlop III for scales - I'm still heavy handed when strumming with little or no finesse, so should I think about going back to a .46 or .38 for these techniques ? I remember someone saying sometime back (possibly Drubbing or Bradt?) that they only got a feel for playing softly when they started learning accents, so should I just grind on with the thicker picks?

Just about seen off my F barre Nemesis after 21 months, to have it replaced by a new one and the A shape barre to come  :(
Title: Re: IM-125 • Intermediate Rhythm Guitar 2
Post by: m_c on December 09, 2015, 11:54:29 pm
AAARRRGGGGHHHHH!!!!!!
I think summarises my attempts at this so far without resorting to uncouth language!

After several days trying, I managed to get it right for 4 complete bars earlier including foot tapping, then it all fell apart, and I wanted to cry. How can something that appears so simple be so hard?
Title: Re: IM-125 • Intermediate Rhythm Guitar 2
Post by: justinguitar on December 10, 2015, 11:03:44 am
OK, just updated this with a bunch of new tips :) hope it helps!
Title: Re: IM-125 • Intermediate Rhythm Guitar 2
Post by: m_c on December 10, 2015, 11:57:42 pm
New tips look good, however I know where my problem lies.

I can play the rhythm perfectly well without foot tapping, but I have a mental link between the accent and foot tapping. I need to break that mental link, which ultimately comes down to plenty of slow practise :\
Title: Re: IM-125 • Intermediate Rhythm Guitar 2
Post by: suzidownunder on December 12, 2015, 11:20:55 am
I just couldn't tap my foot. I found it distracting but now I bob my head and everything else when I get into it!

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Title: Re: IM-125 • Intermediate Rhythm Guitar 2
Post by: Joerfe on December 13, 2015, 07:50:53 am
Keep practicing tapping your foot it will be a great help moving forward.
I find that my foot goes all by itself. Can't really play without it tapping anymore and it seems to be part of me playing now. Just need to keep at it and it will come natural. The foot is a great tool.
Title: Re: IM-125 • Intermediate Rhythm Guitar 2
Post by: suzidownunder on December 21, 2015, 08:27:38 pm
Yes i will. I think I'm so chuffed that I've learned to 'play'  that I'm rushing everything. I'll take your advice and concentrate more on lessons and less on hammering out more and more songs. :)

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Title: Re: IM-125 • Intermediate Rhythm Guitar 2
Post by: suzidownunder on December 27, 2015, 09:47:08 am
My problem is that all chord changes are smooth in the sense that as I change from one chord to the next, the previous chord (or at least some of the strings from it) continues to ring a bit as I hit the second one...so there is some flow/continuity to the sound. 

Except: as I go from C/G to F, as soon as I release the C/G chord, all its sound instantly stops, so when I hit the F chord a second later, it's a jerky stop/start sound. 

Am I doing anything wrong...is there any way to keep the C/G chord ringing a bit as I hit the next chord? Thanks...Suzi




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Title: IM-125 • Intermediate Rhythm Guitar 2
Post by: Joerfe on December 27, 2015, 05:38:05 pm
No, that is the nature of the strings and that happens to everyone. The trick is to practice so much that you do not hear the changes happening. It is easier in a band setting but playing alone you easily focus on the changes.
The C/G chord and others have most strings fretted and therefore almost all the strings gets muted when releasing the grip.
I wouldn't worry too much, it'll come to you in due time. Just make sure to play loads of songs and your changes will start to smoothen, so to speak.


/Jesper
Title: Re: IM-125 • Intermediate Rhythm Guitar 2
Post by: OrangeCitric on June 16, 2016, 09:36:33 pm
This thread looks like it's been inactive for a while, but meh, I'll try to ask anyway.

I can play this pattern perfectly, even doing the muting thing and changing chords (I'd say) flawlessly. But I can't count along to it or tap my feet along, I get lost after the "a" of the first beat. I'm pretty frustrated that I can't even play it at 20 bpm without stopping, but I can play it so much faster if I just let it groove.

How could I fix this?
Title: Re: IM-125 • Intermediate Rhythm Guitar 2
Post by: shadowscott007 on June 16, 2016, 10:07:17 pm
This might make it worse, but is how I got it down in the way back.

First try to get it down at with 8th notes.

So,

ONE and two AND three and FOUR and one AND two and THREE and four and.

Also it helped me to put the guitar down, tap my foot counting aloud, and to throwing my head down on the accented down beats and then back up on the accented up beats.  Looked and sounded like an idiot I am sure.  But helped me get the foot tap thinking 8th notes.

Then once that was natural I repeated that for 16th notes as shown in the lesson.  You just eliminate every other foot tap.

Worked for me.  But I can see how it could make things worse for some folks.

Oh, also, find a song that uses the rhythm in either 8th of 16th form and learn it.  Having a bass and snare thumping and whacking while you doing the syncopation helps.

Shadow
Title: Re: IM-125 • Intermediate Rhythm Guitar 2
Post by: tobyjenner on June 17, 2016, 01:47:02 pm
Slow is the name of the game for this one and perseverance  :-\

But Shadow's suggestions will help, as it was the accented head bobbing that finally did it for me  8)
Title: Re: IM-125 • Intermediate Rhythm Guitar 2
Post by: guitar65riff on June 26, 2016, 09:21:19 am
I never foot tapped.... But did a lot of head banging ;)

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Title: Re: IM-125 • Intermediate Rhythm Guitar 2
Post by: pumukk on June 27, 2016, 05:32:37 pm
Hi guys, I need some advice. I have a little injury in my right arm, it´s a tendinitis and the doctor told me it´s going be there forever. Good news I still can play the guitar but the 16th strumming (1e&a....4e&a) its too heavy for me. I can play it until 80bpm. And here is the question: What´s the "average" bmp in 16th strumming pattern a good guitar player has to be able to play?
(sorry for my bad English if there is any mistake and thanks!)
Title: Re: IM-125 • Intermediate Rhythm Guitar 2
Post by: jtbrown1 on June 27, 2016, 06:41:01 pm
Hi guys, I need some advice. I have a little injury in my right arm, it´s a tendinitis and the doctor told me it´s going be there forever. Good news I still can play the guitar but the 16th strumming (1e&a....4e&a) its too heavy for me. I can play it until 80bpm. And here is the question: What´s the "average" bmp in 16th strumming pattern a good guitar player has to be able to play?
(sorry for my bad English if there is any mistake and thanks!)
Hi there.

I'm sorry to hear about your injury. Is the injury in your wrist or elbow?

One if the faster songs with 16th note strumming I can think of is the U2 song Desire. Justin has a lesson on that song, so see if you're able to keep up with that strumming speed.

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Title: Re: IM-125 • Intermediate Rhythm Guitar 2
Post by: SiegeFrog on June 27, 2016, 11:47:42 pm
It's really dependent on the style of music. Something like Bon Jovi's Dead or Alive is 70-75 BPM 16th note, but a punk song or metal (Green Day or Metallica) might be pumping 8's well over 100. The thing is that as you go to faster tempo you tend to use more of a wrist motion and less elbow movement. Is the injury in your wrist or elbow?
Title: Re: IM-125 • Intermediate Rhythm Guitar 2
Post by: pumukk on June 28, 2016, 09:06:57 am
It's really dependent on the style of music. Something like Bon Jovi's Dead or Alive is 70-75 BPM 16th note, but a punk song or metal (Green Day or Metallica) might be pumping 8's well over 100. The thing is that as you go to faster tempo you tend to use more of a wrist motion and less elbow movement. Is the injury in your wrist or elbow?

Hi! The injury is in the elbow. So I´ll try to use more the wrist! Thanks for the anwser. Do you know if there is any specific lesson or exercise to learn 16th strumming focus in the wrist movement?
Title: Re: IM-125 • Intermediate Rhythm Guitar 2
Post by: pumukk on June 28, 2016, 09:10:23 am
Hi there.

I'm sorry to hear about your injury. Is the injury in your wrist or elbow?

One if the faster songs with 16th note strumming I can think of is the U2 song Desire. Justin has a lesson on that song, so see if you're able to keep up with that strumming speed.

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I´ll try this lesson. The injury is in the elbow so maybe focusing the movement in the wrist.... Thanks for your answer

(Justin if you are there change the captcha!!! :))
Title: Re: IM-125 • Intermediate Rhythm Guitar 2
Post by: SiegeFrog on June 28, 2016, 09:16:15 pm
Check out the first 2-3 lessons of Justin's new funk course. It's not exactly the same, but it should get you started. The main thing to remember is not to play through pain. Figure out what works for you.
Title: Re: IM-125 • Intermediate Rhythm Guitar 2
Post by: pumukk on June 30, 2016, 10:18:31 pm
Thanks a lot! It´s been really helpfull for my elbow. Really good technique if you have problems with the elbow. Now Im in 90 bpm and I think I can improve even more THANKS!  8)
Title: Re: IM-125 • Intermediate Rhythm Guitar 2
Post by: pumukk on June 30, 2016, 10:19:11 pm
Thanks a lot! It´s been really helpfull for my elbow. Really good technique if you have problems with the elbow. Now Im in 90 bpm and I think I can improve even more THANKS!  8)

Thanks a lot! It´s been really helpfull for my elbow. Really good technique if you have problems with the elbow. Now Im in 90 bpm and I think I can improve even more THANKS!  8)
Title: 16 th note strumming
Post by: michaelholmes on November 28, 2017, 05:16:13 pm
Hello,
Need some feedback please.
At the moment i'm practicing 16th notes.
First try as a beginner with oasis's song don't look back in anger.

I made up a pattern that in my ears sound pretty good.

Here it is.
1-&a  2-&a  3-&-  4e&a

Am i on the right track here, or are you more experianced guitar players think this is crap?

Sorry for me simple grammar but i'm dutch.

TY
Title: Re: IM-125 • Intermediate Rhythm Guitar 2
Post by: cloodie on April 27, 2019, 10:05:08 am
Really been struggling badly with this but I've discovered something that has helped me a lot. This issue is that I can't get my foot to just tap away independently without thinking about it so, like many on here, I keep accenting while I tap my foot or tap out of time or forget to tap altogether  :-\

Anyway, I'd found rocking my body slowly in time with the beat and tapping my foot when I rock forward helps a lot. It seems to happen much more naturally than just tapping the foot alone, which for now requires me to think too much about it.
Title: Re: IM-125 • Intermediate Rhythm Guitar 2
Post by: nellicus on February 09, 2020, 02:19:34 pm
Having a nightmare with this one.

I can strum along with Justin in the video hitting the accents correctly, but the second I try to tap my foot it all falls apart and I either can only accent the beat or end up tapping my foot on the accent. I find it very hard when the metronome is super slow to have even strums even without the accent.

Keeping practicing every day with this but its not really clicking. Ive moved on to IM Foundation 3 (obv not the rhythm part) but don't want to go any further until I've got this sorted.
Title: Re: IM-125 • Intermediate Rhythm Guitar 2
Post by: nixternal on March 02, 2020, 05:24:15 pm
What I'm finding that is helping to get the foot tapping working, and actually got the pattern in my head super quick was using a barre-chord (G or A, something comfortable). I would release the pressure on non-accents and apply pressure on the accents. It sounds cool and once you get that count in your head you can fly. I can go faster that way than just by muting the strings doing the silent strum. My brain is still weird I guess :) I thought 16th's were gonna be super hard. Thus far, after going on 8 months of learning guitar, foot tapping has been the hardest thing I've had to do. A close 2nd though is barre-chords.