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Title: IM-121 E-Shape Barre Chord Grip (7 and Min7)
Post by: justinguitar on December 03, 2010, 12:54:21 pm
Questions...

Lesson Link: https://www.justinguitar.com/modules/intermediate-foundation-2
Title: Re: IM-121 E-Shape Barre Chord Grip (7 and Min7)
Post by: Mikey d on October 13, 2013, 07:41:40 pm
Ye gods,
First time since starting the course have I clicked on a lesson help link to find it empty.
Am I to deduce from this that I am so bad, everyone else has nailed these chords.

So I'll reply to myself.....
Practice dear boy. 8)
Title: Re: IM-121 E-Shape Barre Chord Grip (7 and Min7)
Post by: Aherd on November 17, 2013, 07:51:34 am
Hello:DD I am enjoying and learning so much thanks to Justin and the whole team^^
My very first post~ Here goes.
I'm also finding somewhat a hard time practicing this lesson.
I'm 'working out' my index finger on the first fret.
Two questions:
1) Weird thing is, the positioning of my index finger varies with each chord:
     F, Fm, and this Fm7. 
     For the first two, my index finger is slightly higher(not to the point where the little joint is over the
     top), wonder if is this is normal?
2) Not much of a question, but rather looking for a reassurance.
    Is it possible that the shape of the index finger can prevent one from playing a complete barre?
    I find that the middle joint of my index finger is rather 'curved-in' that I keep missing the 2nd string, 
    though sometimes I can get a buzzing or even a clear sound, but rarely, no matter how hard I press:O

Thank you so much for everything!
   
     
Title: Re: IM-121 E-Shape Barre Chord Grip (7 and Min7)
Post by: close2u on November 17, 2013, 08:16:59 am
welcome to the forum
a standard work around barre chord problems is to play them further up the neck - say fret 5 or 7 - to develop the skill, strength, finger muscle memory, then move back down one fret at a time
this may help you too
 ;)
Title: Re: IM-121 E-Shape Barre Chord Grip (7 and Min7)
Post by: stitch101 on November 17, 2013, 05:24:35 pm

1) Weird thing is, the positioning of my index finger varies with each chord:
     F, Fm, and this Fm7. 
     For the first two, my index finger is slightly higher(not to the point where the little joint is over the
     top), wonder if is this is normal?
2)
    Is it possible that the shape of the index finger can prevent one from playing a complete barre?
    I find that the middle joint of my index finger is rather 'curved-in' that I keep missing the 2nd string, 
    though sometimes I can get a buzzing or even a clear sound, but rarely, no matter how hard I press:O

Thank you so much for everything!
   
     

Yes it is possible for the shape of your index finger to cause you problems but there is always a way.
For me to get all the strings to sound properly my index finger sits about 1/2 an inch above the fret
board. If it's any lower the G string gets muted in the groove of my knuckle.
Some people lean their index finger or bend it slightly. You'll have to find what works for you finger.
It's also better but not mandatory to keep your index finger the same for all your E shape barre chords.
The less you have to move or change your chords the quicker you can play.
Title: Re: IM-121 E-Shape Barre Chord Grip (7 and Min7)
Post by: qwerties1 on January 05, 2014, 08:17:55 am
I just have a simple question, is it alright to have the upper segment (a third) of of my index finger over the neck when I'm playing F maj, min, maj7 and minor 7? I've been trying to lower my index finger when playing F barre chords , but I can't find any other ways to play them which I find comfortable.
Title: Re: IM-121 E-Shape Barre Chord Grip (7 and Min7)
Post by: shadowscott007 on January 05, 2014, 04:16:48 pm
That seems to be a bit excessive overhang.

Shadow
Title: Re: IM-121 E-Shape Barre Chord Grip (7 and Min7)
Post by: Blaze on February 14, 2014, 11:13:00 pm
I just have a simple question, is it alright to have the upper segment (a third) of of my index finger over the neck when I'm playing F maj, min, maj7 and minor 7? I've been trying to lower my index finger when playing F barre chords , but I can't find any other ways to play them which I find comfortable.

Yeah, I'd say that's fairly excessive. I always think my index finger is a bit high, but mine only extends above the fretboard by about half that much.  :P
Title: Re: IM-121 E-Shape Barre Chord Grip (7 and Min7)
Post by: pipsickle on November 26, 2014, 10:37:57 am
I'm getting on quite well with these now, but am still having a bit of trouble with E7 shape at the higher frets (7 and 8) - I feel all squashed up and the barre goes weak (but not for Emin7). I can play both shapes nice and cleanly at all the lower frets.  I know the answer is probably just more practice, but wonder whether anyone else has had this problem or advice?
Title: Re: IM-121 E-Shape Barre Chord Grip (7 and Min7)
Post by: Cataract on November 26, 2014, 10:41:35 am
To be honest - I have had problems with every barre chord above the 7th fret :D I've noticed. that string A likes to buzz... But it is better and better everyday!
Title: Re: IM-121 E-Shape Barre Chord Grip (7 and Min7)
Post by: pipsickle on November 26, 2014, 10:48:19 am
Glad to hear I'm not alone! Yep, it's the A string - I can see that bit of the barre going weak/lifting when I play up high.

I didn't have this trouble when learning the E shape, in fact it was easier the higher I was, so I was finding this a bit strange :)
Title: Re: IM-121 E-Shape Barre Chord Grip (7 and Min7)
Post by: TheCasual on November 26, 2014, 11:41:06 am
Generally I think people avoid going past the 8th fret on chords and just go to a 5th thing root note.

Although alot 60's rock like The Kinks and The Stones seemed to like staying on one string.
Title: Re: IM-121 E-Shape Barre Chord Grip (7 and Min7)
Post by: Metal Girl on July 05, 2016, 01:10:41 am
I have the same problem, I just keep trying to lower my index finger while playing 7 & min7 chords, even though the D string doesn't ring out, just to strengthen my hand, so I'll eventually be able to play it properly.
Title: Re: IM-121 E-Shape Barre Chord Grip (7 and Min7)
Post by: Litzout on August 02, 2016, 02:22:36 am
I have been stuck on Intermediate Foundation 2 for probably 3 months now because I cannot seem to nail down the 7 and Min7 grips.  I had the same trouble during the beginners course but was eventually able to work out a grip that consistently worked for F major on my acoustic.  But I am stuck now!  I have a large first knuckle that creates a substantial indent in the middle third of my barre finger.  This kind of creates a dead zone on my barre finger.  Moving the barre up or down just moves the problem area to a different string.  I am trying all the tips I can find like using the side of my finger, repositioning my thumb, changing angles of my wrist/elbow/arm.  I have had success making the 7 and minor 7 grips on my electric to where it is passable but not perfect.  However, I think I am using a lot more grip strength than proper technique to achieve those results.  I have had some luck here and there on the acoustic using very different barre positions for each of the E shape grips (i.e. top third of barre finger over neck for minor 7 and barely touching the tip of the finger on 6th string for major 7).  And yes, I have had the acoustic checked out by a professional.  I have reached the point where I am doing everything else well and am getting bored just getting held back by my barre grips.    My fear is creating a bad habit that will cost me later down the road.  Do I need to stick to this longer until I improve on the acoustic, or should I move on and hope those grips improve later with more practice? 
Title: Re: IM-121 E-Shape Barre Chord Grip (7 and Min7)
Post by: Buckeye1971 on August 02, 2016, 07:55:30 am
hello Litzout,

  I am on beginner consolidation/ IM foundation 1. When I read your post I tried these chords for the first time and was able to do them on an acoustic, (granted, min 7 was a tad difficult at the first fret).  I have taken the course slowly . I have been learning guitar for 2 years now, (about an hour a day), which has given me time to build up hand strength, which is probably why I was able to do these chords relatively "easily". So I guess my question for you is how long have you been working on your hand strength playing barre chords? Justin says in the video that even he can struggle with them on acoustic if he has to hold it for a while, which I can understand because my hand ached playing that min7 at the first fret after only 10 seconds.

I guess my point is if you haven't been playing barre chords all that long perhaps your hand isn't strong enough or maybe you haven't developed enough of a callous on the side of your barre finger yet.

As far as your knuckle goes, post a photo to show us what you are dealing with. But in all honesty it probably isn't a problem you can't overcome. Have you ever seen Keith Richards knuckles? looks like somebody beat them with a ball peen hammer.  :)




Title: Re: IM-121 E-Shape Barre Chord Grip (7 and Min7)
Post by: shadowscott007 on August 02, 2016, 02:08:55 pm
Litzout,

Try to put the "dent" between the strings.

Also try to roll your index finger so it is the edge not the flat that is pressing the strings.

Shadow
Title: Re: IM-121 E-Shape Barre Chord Grip (7 and Min7)
Post by: Litzout on August 02, 2016, 10:41:39 pm
Thanks for the replies, Shadow and Buckeye (Greetings from Akron.  O-H....?)

I am definitely using the side of my finger and not the soft underside, and the dent doesn't seem to fit between two strings.  But I will work on it more with more focus on that particular solution.  My only success seems to be with using more of the underside and muscling the string down with the soft side of my finger. 

I started the beginner's course about 18 months ago.  I finished the beginner's consolidation and moved on to intermediate 1 about 5 months ago.  I moved through Intermediate 1 fairly quickly, and I decided to move on despite an issue with the G string not ringing out on the minor chord grip.   Justin said not to let that stop you, so I moved on to Intermediate 2 and have been there for 3-4 months. I have been working on barre grips for almost a year now, and I can do the E shaped major barre grip in all frets (including 1st fret) on my acoustic with no issues.  While I am sure I can always use more practice, I don't think that building strength is the true issue. 

E Shaped Major 7 is not as much of an issue, but both of the minor grips give me fits. I can move the "dent" up to where it is over the D string for the E shaped minor grip.  That works fine, but almost the whole top third of my finger is above the 6th string.  But then that means the "dent" will not let me push down on the D string for the minor 7 grip.  Sorry, having trouble trying to post a pic. 

I am good with all other aspects of Intermediate 2.  Do you think it would be worth it to move on to Intermediate 3 and continue to practice those barre grips?
Title: Re: IM-121 E-Shape Barre Chord Grip (7 and Min7)
Post by: Buckeye1971 on August 03, 2016, 02:08:11 am
   I-O!  CLE eastside (Eastlake). Right up the road.


I had to use photobucket  to post photos. can't remember how to do it though.

If the barre chords are the only thing you have left  you probably should move on and just keep working on them. Thanks to you I actually have started working on them even though I just started IM 1. That way when I get to that stage I will be able to get it down pretty quickly. I can do them already but they do get my hands aching.  And by building up the hand strength  it will help my current playing as well.

As far as the dent goes, your finger placement may work it self out as you get more proficient. We all have our own problems. Right now minimum movement exercise is literally kicking my ass.


Title: Re: IM-121 E-Shape Barre Chord Grip (7 and Min7)
Post by: shadowscott007 on August 04, 2016, 02:25:45 am
Also, try to focus on pressing the center section of your index finger down, not the tip and not the section nearest you palm.  If you focus on either end, the middle pops up.

Shadow
Title: Re: IM-121 E-Shape Barre Chord Grip (7 and Min7)
Post by: agflores on September 23, 2016, 11:14:37 pm
I'm stuck on this lesson because I think i'm confusing the E shape chords from the CCG with this shape, but aren't both E shapes barre chords? What am I missing here?
Title: Re: IM-121 E-Shape Barre Chord Grip (7 and Min7)
Post by: close2u on September 24, 2016, 09:59:19 am
The chords are barre chords based on the open E shape.

What do you mean by CCG?
Title: Re: IM-121 E-Shape Barre Chord Grip (7 and Min7)
Post by: m_c on September 24, 2016, 11:33:35 am
I'm assuming CCG = Chord Construction Guide.

But as Close says, chords using the E open shape. Ignore whatever chord fingerings are mentioned in the CCG.
Title: Re: IM-121 E-Shape Barre Chord Grip (7 and Min7)
Post by: stitch101 on September 24, 2016, 05:55:22 pm
agflores
Scroll down this page to the E shape barre chords. The root is what ever note is on the E string
under your index finger. 5th fret A 8th fret C and so on.
http://www.justinguitar.com/en/CH-000-Chords.php
Title: Re: IM-121 E-Shape Barre Chord Grip (7 and Min7)
Post by: Rolandson on September 27, 2016, 02:10:51 pm
I started this stage today.
The strings A,D and G are dead. Doesn't matter how hard I press it down.
I have no problem with the  barre on the 5ht and 6th string because the other 3 fingers are pressing those strings down.
Doesn't matter if I move my index finger up or down. There are always 3 strings dead.
My index finger is not  straight if that is the reason?
Maybe I need more callus. I don't know.
Need help.

This is exactly how my index fingers look like.

http://miketomich.com/sitebuilder/images/18_yrs_Chesterfield_Not_marked-407x342.jpg (http://miketomich.com/sitebuilder/images/18_yrs_Chesterfield_Not_marked-407x342.jpg)
Title: Re: IM-121 E-Shape Barre Chord Grip (7 and Min7)
Post by: Heinz on October 08, 2016, 03:40:10 pm
Started with this lesson yesterday, and trying it on two different guitars yields a vastly different result.
On my electric, a Yamaha Pacifica 604w which is set up nicely, I can do it fairly easily. Sometimes a bit of buzz on 3rd or 4th string but nothing a bit of practice won't fix I hope.

Then again I have a mediocre (at best) Encore W2550FT acoustic with a high action that is generally a pain to play.. Really struggling on that one, I sometimes manage to play a minor 7 but it feels like regardless of the position I have to pull with my whole hand, flexing my biceps and everything, and even then it's mostly a miss. Just completely muted.

Here comes the question - should I keep trying or accept that the guitar is terrible for barres, and exercise those chords on the electric exclusively?
Hoping I'll be able to afford a better one some time in the next year but for the time I'm stuck with that.
Title: Re: IM-121 E-Shape Barre Chord Grip (7 and Min7)
Post by: Rossco01 on October 08, 2016, 07:14:51 pm
Well it's certainly easier to learn barre chords on an electric so no harm in sticking with that until you're feeling comfortable with them and then transition to the acoustic again. In fact some would say thats a better approach to start with.

In terms of the acoustic I don't know anything about the Encore but if you think the guitar is worth it then a setup by a decent luthier is likely to sort out the action etc and make it easier than it is currently to play.
Title: Re: IM-121 E-Shape Barre Chord Grip (7 and Min7)
Post by: Heinz on October 09, 2016, 10:36:08 am
I did actually take it in once and the guy adjusted the truss rod a bit, made it slightly more playable. But I do recall him saying that it wasn't a great instrument.  I wonder if it could be that it's just nearly impossible to play there barres on that guitar.. Or maybe if I tackle them on the Encore I'll be able to play them on anything :D?
Title: Re: IM-121 E-Shape Barre Chord Grip (7 and Min7)
Post by: Rossco01 on October 09, 2016, 11:24:44 am
If you persevere with the encore youll probably eventually be able to play barre chords BUT youll probably move quicker and get more enjoyment doing it on your electric.
Title: Re: IM-121 E-Shape Barre Chord Grip (7 and Min7)
Post by: superinsha on January 13, 2017, 01:51:49 pm
Hello,
I can only play these chords if I use the lower part (the 3rd bone) of my finger. Is that right, or do I need to amend this?
Title: Re: IM-121 E-Shape Barre Chord Grip (7 and Min7)
Post by: TB-AV on January 13, 2017, 03:53:25 pm
No, that is not going to serve you well.

It's important you solve this now as other things build off this.

Watch the video again. Are you tilting you finger over a bit? Keeping it close to fret?

It's possible the strings on guitar are too high? Making it difficult to fret.

But that's not going to work. You want your index finger tip just going past the low E string, which basically means the first and second joint are doing most of the work.  The 3rd joint does catch the high e string.

If you can post a picture or vid maybe someone can figure what the issue is. But it needs to be taken care of now.
Title: Re: IM-121 E-Shape Barre Chord Grip (7 and Min7)
Post by: tobyjenner on January 14, 2017, 01:53:26 pm
Hello,
I can only play these chords if I use the lower part (the 3rd bone) of my finger. Is that right, or do I need to amend this?


As TB says, not a good idea. This shapes time practice and patience, lots and lots of all of these, Took me a good year to get these clean. Also a good set up is key. Also try around the 7th or 8th fret, get it right there and then work down the neck to that nasty F !

BTW welcome to the forum.  8)
Title: Re: IM-121 E-Shape Barre Chord Grip (7 and Min7)
Post by: TB-AV on January 14, 2017, 02:15:55 pm
Just so we are all on the same wavelength..... when you say 3rd bone.....??

distal = finger tip
middle = middle joint
proximal = connects to palm

When you say 3rd, you are referencing the proximal bone?

http://classconnection.s3.amazonaws.com/714/flashcards/742714/png/hand_bone1317332544250.png
Title: Re: IM-121 E-Shape Barre Chord Grip (7 and Min7)
Post by: Rolandson on February 10, 2017, 08:06:49 am
I still have problems with that.chord. D and G strings are dead. My indexfinger is too soft on that spot. I don't know what I can do. Need help.
Title: Re: IM-121 E-Shape Barre Chord Grip (7 and Min7)
Post by: jono on February 10, 2017, 02:49:31 pm
This is how I got the hang of it
Put the index down, push the index finger up towards the nut without moving it, pull the guitar neck towards you using your arm while keeping the guitar body still, pluck the strings, if all OK then put the other fingers down and pluck again.
Now I have the hang of it I don't need to pull the neck so much.

You can also try put the index down flat and not roll it over and raise your index finger knuckle so you can feel the middle of the index finger is pressing the middle strings and the outer strings not so much, this works for me too.
I am new to this stage though so although it is working for me it may not be correct.
Title: Re: IM-121 E-Shape Barre Chord Grip (7 and Min7)
Post by: Rolandson on March 12, 2017, 02:52:41 pm
The problem is that my Index finger is soft on that part. I can move it up but than the E A and D string are dead. I need to get that part harder with callus. Maybe there is something else for my finger?

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Title: Re: IM-121 E-Shape Barre Chord Grip (7 and Min7)
Post by: Quackophony on June 24, 2017, 03:33:59 pm
I've found that instead of using your thumb as leverage for the index finger, try pulling the neck towards your body using the barre shape. The overall force applied is greater this way since you're using your forearm instead of the muscle between your thumb and index finger. I've also found that the pressure distribution of the index finger on the strings is significantly more uniform this way.
Title: Re: IM-121 E-Shape Barre Chord Grip (7 and Min7)
Post by: superinsha on August 29, 2017, 06:00:26 pm
Hi. My problem that I experience problems at the barre BELOW the 6th fret. Its easier at the top. Can anyone guide me?
Title: Re: IM-121 E-Shape Barre Chord Grip (7 and Min7)
Post by: Rolandson on August 31, 2017, 08:22:20 am
So the D and G strings are still dead. Is there any chance to cheat a little bit. My finger is too soft on that parts. It does not get better at all. I am not going to the next stage untill I can play those chords. The minor bar chords are a problem as well because of the dead g string. I need help. Thank you.
Title: Re: IM-121 E-Shape Barre Chord Grip (7 and Min7)
Post by: Joerfe on August 31, 2017, 10:57:36 am
Hi. My problem that I experience problems at the barre BELOW the 6th fret. Its easier at the top. Can anyone guide me?

If you are having problems with barring from fret 1 to 5 that is perfectly normal. Get you barre sorted at fret 6 and then move towards fret 1 one fret a time.
Title: Re: IM-121 E-Shape Barre Chord Grip (7 and Min7)
Post by: Joerfe on August 31, 2017, 12:04:49 pm
So the D and G strings are still dead. Is there any chance to cheat a little bit. My finger is too soft on that parts. It does not get better at all. I am not going to the next stage untill I can play those chords. The minor bar chords are a problem as well because of the dead g string. I need help. Thank you.

It is a very common problem. If you look closer you probably can see that the crease in the skin hits the G string.
Make sure that when you position your index finger, you roll it back towards the nut. But only ever so slightly. This gives you a more firm base to press down the strings.
If you already do this, you can try and move your index finger to have a little more of the tip above the neck.
Maybe you could post a picture?
Title: Re: IM-121 E-Shape Barre Chord Grip (7 and Min7)
Post by: Rolandson on August 31, 2017, 12:14:54 pm
Here are two pictures. (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170831/c8e5ddea769b9feaa6a93d8a63b70f28.jpg)
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170831/826d46d5bf7bcac301c0bdd8b5ec718f.jpg)
Title: Re: IM-121 E-Shape Barre Chord Grip (7 and Min7)
Post by: Joerfe on August 31, 2017, 12:29:06 pm
Right. From the pictures I can't really decide if you are rolling back your finger. Are you?
If you were to barre at the 5th fret, do you have the same problem?
Title: Re: IM-121 E-Shape Barre Chord Grip (7 and Min7)
Post by: Rolandson on August 31, 2017, 12:45:13 pm
Right. From the pictures I can't really decide if you are rolling back your finger. Are you?
If you were to barre at the 5th fret, do you have the same problem?
Yes I did and yes I also have the problem on any fret. (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170831/13a2c70075b3ad34c90d70c502e87c75.jpg)
This part is softer than the other parts of that finger
You see it is not completely straight. When I move the Finger one string down, it's the G and B string who are dead.
Title: Re: IM-121 E-Shape Barre Chord Grip (7 and Min7)
Post by: Joerfe on August 31, 2017, 01:29:51 pm
This part is softer than the other parts of that finger
You see it is not completely straight. When I move the Finger one string down, it's the G and B string who are dead.

Please remember that everyone (well, almost) experience that particular problem. And I am pretty sure that even though your finger is not perfectly straight, you will be able to do the barre chords in time.

Did you try to raise your index finger a bit?
Title: Re: IM-121 E-Shape Barre Chord Grip (7 and Min7)
Post by: Rolandson on August 31, 2017, 01:39:37 pm
I can play Bar chords. Only the full bar minor and 7 chords are the problem. Yes I did. I use that for the minor bar chords. I have to move it up more than a little bit. This works but it is very uncomfortable.
Title: Re: IM-121 E-Shape Barre Chord Grip (7 and Min7)
Post by: Joerfe on August 31, 2017, 03:43:04 pm
In the case of 7 and minor 7 your index finger is more exposed, so to speak.
I suggest you give it some more practice.
Try and focus on your elbow dragging your hand in place. The upper part of your index finger needs to work as a hinge and your elbow closes that hinge.
Title: Re: IM-121 E-Shape Barre Chord Grip (7 and Min7)
Post by: SiegeFrog on August 31, 2017, 06:38:36 pm
I echo Joerfe's suggestion: the problem is usually that the middle strings are hitting right where the creases are from the joints. Then, no matter how hard you squeeze, you can't get a clean note. You have to shift your index finger vertically until the strings no longer align. Sometimes shifting down is better than shifting up.


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Title: Re: IM-121 E-Shape Barre Chord Grip (7 and Min7)
Post by: TB-AV on August 31, 2017, 11:26:10 pm
@R

1. Wash your hands with rubbing alcohol twice a day. It will toughen them up a bit.

2. I don't know where you thumb is in those pictures but it's not where it's supposed to be.

3. The tip of your index finger is too far over the board. Should be just about at the edge.

--- 3a. It's not unusual to have you index finger curve a bit from this shape | to this shape (. The latter combined with the tip pressing right into the corner where the fret and board edge meet. The point of pressure being quite a bit at the tip of finger. Then thumb will then help anchor the rest... but not from wherever your thumb is.
Title: Re: IM-121 E-Shape Barre Chord Grip (7 and Min7)
Post by: Rolandson on September 01, 2017, 04:30:59 am
If I move the index finger down a little bit the strings D G and B are dead. I tired everything beides the part with the alcohol. The bone from this finger is not straight that's way it is too soft on that part.I I can press the finger down as hard as I can and still the same. I need a thick callus on that part.
Title: Re: IM-121 E-Shape Barre Chord Grip (7 and Min7)
Post by: TB-AV on September 02, 2017, 07:35:01 pm
so you are saying you can't lay your index finger across all 6 strings and stum them and have them all ring out?

If that is true, then lay your middle finger across all 6 and strum. Next lay your ring finger across all 6 and strum.

Do those ring out?

There is nothing wrong with your finger. No one has calluses up the side of there fingers.

When you play the Fm7 barre use your middle finger to press down on your index finger as well.

Play F7 dah dah dah da Bb dah dah dah da   1 2 3 &  D D D U let the U be a mute strings and when you change chords. Chord Chord Chord Mute/Change Chord Chord Chord Mute/Change  etc. About 90 bpm.

Make the chords stacato.. iow, cut them off so it's chop chop chop change chop chop chop change.

Your thumb should be somewhere under fret 1 and pointed back to tuning machines


Title: Re: IM-121 E-Shape Barre Chord Grip (7 and Min7)
Post by: Rolandson on September 03, 2017, 04:56:42 am
Thank you. I will do it. Hope it works. I wont quit. I give you notice on friday.
Title: Re: IM-121 E-Shape Barre Chord Grip (7 and Min7)
Post by: jono on September 05, 2017, 08:47:58 am
One thing that worked for me was to lay the finger straight ( no c shape) and try press down hardest on the two centre strings, almost like the index finger is in a u shape, and raise the knuckle.

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Title: Re: IM-121 E-Shape Barre Chord Grip (7 and Min7)
Post by: Rolandson on September 05, 2017, 09:06:48 am
I did that. Still the same. My finger is so soft on that part. My bones are not that thick. That's why I asked for something to cheat a little bit.
Title: Re: IM-121 E-Shape Barre Chord Grip (7 and Min7)
Post by: DarrellW on September 05, 2017, 09:26:49 am
You could try just barring the 5 strings and use your thumb the fret the low E!
Title: Re: IM-121 E-Shape Barre Chord Grip (7 and Min7)
Post by: Rolandson on September 05, 2017, 09:30:15 am
Than the G and B strings are dead. A callus would be good.
Title: Re: IM-121 E-Shape Barre Chord Grip (7 and Min7)
Post by: DarrellW on September 05, 2017, 09:38:14 am
This sounds to me more like a positional problem, I don't think you are getting even pressure across the whole of your finger. You may be arching your finger slightly the wrong way so you loose pressure in the middle, you may have to consciously correct for this - I used to have the same problem.
Title: Re: IM-121 E-Shape Barre Chord Grip (7 and Min7)
Post by: Rolandson on September 05, 2017, 09:51:09 am
I do have more pressure on lower part of the finger yes. It is probably the same when the B string at the bar chords was dead.
Title: Re: IM-121 E-Shape Barre Chord Grip (7 and Min7)
Post by: Rolandson on September 05, 2017, 09:57:34 am
Ok it worked. Every string sounds good. I needed a lot of pressure. I hope that will get easier. But it only works with the index finger alone. When I want to play f7 or fm7 the D and G strings are dead again.
Title: Re: IM-121 E-Shape Barre Chord Grip (7 and Min7)
Post by: Joerfe on September 05, 2017, 10:16:42 am
I don't remember if you mentioned it already. Is the guitar adjusted and setup properly?
Title: Re: IM-121 E-Shape Barre Chord Grip (7 and Min7)
Post by: Rolandson on September 05, 2017, 10:19:44 am
I don't remember if you mentioned it already. Is the guitar adjusted and setup properly?
Yes it is.
Title: Re: IM-121 E-Shape Barre Chord Grip (7 and Min7)
Post by: jono on November 02, 2017, 06:37:11 pm
I think your setup may be off. You could always sneak into a musical instrument shop and try some barre chords there.
With my guitars, one I can barre very easily, one with a bit of effort and one not at all, the third one drives me potty as it plays well otherwise and I am reluctant to change anything.

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Title: Re: IM-121 E-Shape Barre Chord Grip (7 and Min7)
Post by: Rolandson on November 21, 2017, 11:34:49 am
I figured it out today why I have this problem. When lift every finger besides the index finger, every string is clear. When I put the ring finger for example on the a string to play fm7 the d and the c string are dead. So what could be the problem?
Title: Re: IM-121 E-Shape Barre Chord Grip (7 and Min7)
Post by: DavidP on November 21, 2017, 01:13:13 pm
Take a close close close look at the index finger, your hand, your wrist ... everything.  How do things shift, likely in small, small ways when you put the ring finger down.  Something must change that causes the index finger to shift to cause some of the notes to go dead (noting that from your explanation I am assuming that it is not the ring finger muting since it is more than the adjacent string)
Title: Re: IM-121 E-Shape Barre Chord Grip (7 and Min7)
Post by: Rolandson on November 21, 2017, 01:22:07 pm
The ring finger isn't muting. The index finger is rolling a little bit to the right. It isn't a lot but that has to be the problem.
Title: Re: IM-121 E-Shape Barre Chord Grip (7 and Min7)
Post by: DavidP on November 21, 2017, 01:24:58 pm
Maybe try adjusting the position of the index finger a little, perhaps moving it up or down a little so a different part of the finger is making the barre on each finger?
Title: Re: IM-121 E-Shape Barre Chord Grip (7 and Min7)
Post by: Rolandson on November 21, 2017, 01:34:01 pm
Did that but it works only for the minor bar chords. The problem is also when the index finger doesn't move. I don't have enough pressure on the index finger when the middle finger is lifted.
Title: Re: IM-121 E-Shape Barre Chord Grip (7 and Min7)
Post by: DavidP on November 21, 2017, 03:47:52 pm
I've vague recollection of reading something about using the weight of the arm to aid making the barre. Maybe that might help but you'll need to search out more detail. Maybe also look at the position of the thumb on the back of the neck. And that's all I can offer. Hopefully others will also reply with more in due course
Title: Re: IM-121 E-Shape Barre Chord Grip (7 and Min7)
Post by: MrBumble on November 21, 2017, 04:51:44 pm
I've vague recollection of reading something about using the weight of the arm to aid making the barre.

I think that is using pressure from the strumming arm to press the body of the guitar back thus putting forward pressure on the neck. There are some You-tube videos on the technique.

I have tried it and I find that it doesn't work for me - I would stress that is for me, others may find it helpful.
Title: Re: IM-121 E-Shape Barre Chord Grip (7 and Min7)
Post by: Rolandson on November 21, 2017, 04:55:11 pm
Thank you for your advice. I will try it with the weight from my arm first.