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Title: IM-111 • E Shape Barre Chord Grip (Maj and Min)
Post by: justinguitar on December 03, 2010, 11:33:34 am
Questions...

Lesson Link: http://www.justinguitar.com/en/IM-111-EShapeMajorMinorBarreChords.php
Title: Re: IM-111 • E Shape Barre Chord Grip (Maj and Min)
Post by: tobyjenner on April 24, 2015, 07:44:26 pm
Hiya folks

I'm kinda fishing for reassurance for the moment, as despite working on the E shaped barre since Nov '13, I'm still struggling with it on my acoustic.

All electrics are fine, including the minor shape - so much so that I'm going back to revisit the BC Stage 6 songs again!!!!!!!!!!

On the acoustic though, I'm ok around Ab and up the neck until it gets cramped (Db/D) but those first 3 frets are real hit and miss. Ok I know for a few months during consolidation I focused getting everything clean on the electrics but I thought I'd be beyond this sticking point by now >:(

So with IM stage 1, I've been practicing the grip on the acoustic and then practicing the slow 1 min changes on the electric. Does that make practical sense, until I nail the F barre on the acoustic? Just conscious of how much time I spent on the BC, trying to get everything 'perfect' on both and really want to crack on with things now.

Comments/views/opinions/suggestions welcome as usual.

Cheers

Toby
Title: Re: IM-111 • E Shape Barre Chord Grip (Maj and Min)
Post by: Rossco01 on April 24, 2015, 07:55:06 pm
@Toby I know were broadly in the same place and I can say with all honesty ive spent ages trying to get just F barre chord going on my acoustic and I still dont find it comfortable. Started playing my electric more in last month or two and suddenly its way easier ( on electric) and its allowing me to move on with practice and songs. Practicing power chords has also helped a lot in terms of moving around the neck. Ill keep practicing on the acoustic as well but not letting it stop me moving forward with my learning.
Title: Re: IM-111 • E Shape Barre Chord Grip (Maj and Min)
Post by: tobyjenner on April 24, 2015, 07:57:57 pm
Cheers for that Rossco, its just so damned frustrating though !!!!  >:( >:( >:(
Title: Re: IM-111 • E Shape Barre Chord Grip (Maj and Min)
Post by: tobyjenner on April 24, 2015, 08:00:02 pm
Hey - just noticed your double posting. You getting that database error? I've just PMed Close to let him know there's a glitch out there this evening :o
Title: Re: IM-111 • E Shape Barre Chord Grip (Maj and Min)
Post by: Rossco01 on April 24, 2015, 08:46:57 pm
Yep got it on a few posts
Title: Re: IM-111 • E Shape Barre Chord Grip (Maj and Min)
Post by: shadowscott007 on April 24, 2015, 10:50:16 pm
Toby,

You nut slots may not be deep enough.  If they are too high it can make barre chords low on the neck very hard to fret.

You can check yourself.  Fret the third fret and check the clearness between the bottom of the string and the first fret.  It should just clear the fret.  If it touches the fret it is too low.  But it should be very very close.  Here is a site that shows how to check.

http://www.frets.com/FretsPages/Musician/GenSetup/NutAction/nutaction.html

It can be so close that it is hard to see, but you can tap right over the first fret (while still fretting the 3rd) and if there is clearance you can hear the tick of the string even if it is hard to see. 

You can check each string that way. 

A high nut can make low barre chords a real bear.

If you aren't sure you can take it to a shop and have it checked out and fixed pretty cheaply.

A tbiught.

Shadow
Title: Re: IM-111 • E Shape Barre Chord Grip (Maj and Min)
Post by: tobyjenner on April 24, 2015, 10:59:51 pm
Thanks for that Shadow, I'll have a look at it over the weekend and if it needs tweak, then see if I'm confident enough to do it myself if it does...... :-\
Title: Re: IM-111 • E Shape Barre Chord Grip (Maj and Min)
Post by: stitch101 on April 24, 2015, 11:11:50 pm
Thanks for that Shadow, I'll have a look at it over the weekend and if it needs tweak, then see if I'm confident enough to do it myself if it does...... :-\


To cut your nut slots properly you need the right size files. One for each slot.
Be cheaper to take it in to a tech unless you already have the files.

(http://www.mytoolstore.com.au/product_images/w/461/Gauged_Nut_Slotting_Files_sm__00742_zoom.jpg)

I'm getting the error message as well. Almost double posted.  ???
Title: Re: IM-111 • E Shape Barre Chord Grip (Maj and Min)
Post by: shadowscott007 on April 24, 2015, 11:16:06 pm
So I was saying check not fix so...  My lawyers tell me I have to say that you really need to know what your doing, and you probably shouldn't attempt it because this commercial was filmed on a closed track... by a professional stuntman... and if a grizzly wants your salmon just give it to him because kicking him in the crotch ain't gonna work...

But if you are gonna give it a shot I would read up on slotting your nut (sounds dirty) from a couple different sources and may watch a couple of you tubes...

The one thing to remember is to angle the file back towards the head stock.  The point there the string leaves the nut needs to be the highest point.

I don"t think it is too hard, but like many things once you've cut too deep you are not in a happy place... Experience probably helps. Go slow.  Although there are guides out there to use dust from the same material as the nut mixed with super glue to fill in the slot and start over... seen it in more than one place, but it would probably be better not to over file...

There I feel satisfied that any claims that I used my awesome Jedi mind powers to get you to wreck your nut can be rebutted.  "These are not the nut slots you are looking for."

Shadow
Title: Re: IM-111 • E Shape Barre Chord Grip (Maj and Min)
Post by: tobyjenner on April 25, 2015, 07:04:54 pm
Fear not oh wise one. The specter of litigation will not darken your threshold.
Check I shall, file I'll not.

Bit of a rock and a hard place, as I still need to find a shop that has a technician who can do set-up. I'm not convinced they did much to my Washburn HB30 at the shop that's nearest to me. The owner said the guy that teaches above the shop had a look and said it played well and adjusted the bridge pickup. Ok no charge but I'm still getting some fret / string buzz on 6th and 5th strings and I don't get that on my HB32 (that my wife got me for Xmas) and its effectively the same guitar apart from the finish. Also no problems with my Squirer Strat (that's not been touched in 19 years!!). So ok it could be me but unlikely given this scenario. So you might imagine I'm reluctant to go back there with the acoustic.

This guys only 20 minutes up he road http://www.guitar-fouilleul.com/ but I'd be embarrassed to ask him to look at my mass produced in the far east Encore, when he's knocking out hand built classical guitars for thousands of euro's. Could always drop him a line and ask him to recommend someone local.

So I need to search around for other music / guitar shops but the biggest hurdle is the technical vocabulary as my French is limited but I'll get there eventually.

Thanks again for the tips - will let you how it looks once I've look at that nutaction site and determine if its me or the action!!

Cheers

Toby
 8)
Title: Re: IM-111 • E Shape Barre Chord Grip (Maj and Min)
Post by: tobyjenner on April 27, 2015, 08:10:27 pm
@Shadow - so I checked the gap as per the link and the strings are either touching or just about touching the first fret, so this has got to be me and not the nut (although I could be the nut ;D ).

Anyways, I was actually watching Justin's IM2 1 Minute Changes lesson this evening (barre to open changes) and happened to notice his first knuckle was virtually level to the gap between strings 1 and 2. Hadn't noticed that before and it seems to have made a difference when barring on the acoustic (including my cheapo Rock Star Academy cut away...........all of its £60 worth). So hopefully I'm finally on the right track  8)
Title: Re: IM-111 • E Shape Barre Chord Grip (Maj and Min)
Post by: Hypnagogist on May 12, 2015, 04:55:54 pm
So, I've always been struggling with E shape barre chords and i've always found ways to avoid them or to "cheat" (playing them like Hendrix with the thumb over the neck or not pressing my index finger on the strings that are already fretted by other fingers). I want to learn to barre properly, though. I can't do an E7 shape barre chord if I'm unable to press down on all the strings with just my index finger.

Actually, I'm almost able to do it. My problem is that the B string falls right into a crease on my finger and it doesn't completely ring out (it buzzes a little). If I press down really hard, I can make it ring out but it also makes me press down too much on the other strings, so much that the G string goes slightly sharp (on an electric, no wound G).

I'm also wondering if I place my thumb properly. Here's a picture:
(http://i59.tinypic.com/33ng841.jpg)
From what I've read here and there, my thumb should be more to the left, just below my index, right? When I place my thumb the way it is on the picture above, I also tend to stick my arm against my body, and it's probably not a good idea.

I tried something else today:
(http://i59.tinypic.com/2jfg9vq.jpg)
It certainly looks better, my arm isn't stuck to my body, but as soon as I try to place the other fingers, the B string doesn't ring out anymore, unless I press really hard and the G string goes sharp, just like I said.

Does anybody have any advice? Can you confirm that the second picture is right regarding thumb position?

Thanks!
Title: Re: IM-111 • E Shape Barre Chord Grip (Maj and Min)
Post by: Joerfe on May 12, 2015, 06:22:02 pm
I would suggest you to move your index finger so that it sticks up over the fretboard. That works for me to move the crease away from the B string.
Regarding pressure: make sure to roll the index finger towards the nut, but only slightly. Also think of the index finger as sort of a hinge. Apply some pressure on the 6th string and then press downwards with your hand and elbow.
It is difficult to explain so I'll try to find a video.


\m/ rock on \m/
end Jesper
Title: Re: IM-111 • E Shape Barre Chord Grip (Maj and Min)
Post by: Joerfe on May 12, 2015, 07:29:02 pm
Yup, here it is.
http://youtu.be/vzYfdYtoFf4

Excellent pieces of advice on barre chords in here!


\m/ rock on \m/
end Jesper
Title: Re: IM-111 • E Shape Barre Chord Grip (Maj and Min)
Post by: Hypnagogist on May 13, 2015, 03:50:59 pm
Thanks for the video, there's some useful advice in there.

If i try to move move my finger up so that the crease doesn't fall on the B string anymore, then it falls on the G string. :-\ I can't find a way to move it just between the two strings.

I wonder if I should just keep practicing my barre chords like I do (second picture) even though the B string still buzzes a little. Will it stop buzzing after some time?
Title: Re: IM-111 • E Shape Barre Chord Grip (Maj and Min)
Post by: Joerfe on May 13, 2015, 05:21:06 pm
Well, in the video he explains that the crease thing is irrelevant as long as you straighten the index finger enough.
The B string will stop buzzing after a while, but you should keep practicing to get it right!


\m/ rock on \m/
end Jesper
Title: Re: IM-111 • E Shape Barre Chord Grip (Maj and Min)
Post by: Hypnagogist on May 14, 2015, 05:11:19 pm
What about my thumb position. Is it fine on the 2nd picture?
Title: Re: IM-111 • E Shape Barre Chord Grip (Maj and Min)
Post by: Joerfe on May 14, 2015, 05:34:31 pm

What about my thumb position. Is it fine on the 2nd picture?

I tried to emulate your thumb position and it feels wrong to me. I feel a strain just above the wrist.
Here is a picture of my grip.
(http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/05/14/18b5d36356f846d8bdb4008cbcc0273d.jpg)


\m/ rock on \m/
end Jesper
Title: Re: IM-111 • E Shape Barre Chord Grip (Maj and Min)
Post by: Subway eat fresh on August 30, 2015, 07:58:06 pm
How come every time I play a barre Chord the 6th string almost never rings out but all the other strings do.
 
Any advice?
Title: Re: IM-111 • E Shape Barre Chord Grip (Maj and Min)
Post by: tobyjenner on August 30, 2015, 08:02:09 pm
Sub

Increase the pressure of the tip of your index finger to ensure its cleanly fretting the 6th. Practice barring with just the one finger to get a feel for just the right amount of pressure.

Toby
 8)
Title: Re: IM-111 • E Shape Barre Chord Grip (Maj and Min)
Post by: Subway eat fresh on August 30, 2015, 08:05:42 pm
Sub

Increase the pressure of the tip of your index finger to ensure its cleanly fretting the 6th. Practice barring with just the one finger to get a feel for just the right amount of pressure.

Toby
 8)
Thx man, that was quick lol.
Title: Re: IM-111 • E Shape Barre Chord Grip (Maj and Min)
Post by: blueguern on February 02, 2016, 09:55:10 pm
Hi Guys,
Have been doing my barre chords for a week or two now. With my acoustic they are coming along, with my electric they are great. My thinking is carry on with the course using electric in order to progress and also give some fifteen minutes a day practice on my acoustic in order to get that right. Is that OK or should I just concentrate on my acoustic. Cheers
Title: Re: IM-111 • E Shape Barre Chord Grip (Maj and Min)
Post by: shadowscott007 on February 02, 2016, 11:31:42 pm
I would use the acoustic to build up strength, say 50/50.  Even days acoustic odd days electric.

Shadow
Title: Re: IM-111 • E Shape Barre Chord Grip (Maj and Min)
Post by: blueguern on February 03, 2016, 11:00:37 am
Cheers mate, good advice.
Title: Re: IM-111 • E Shape Barre Chord Grip (Maj and Min)
Post by: Rolandson on February 22, 2016, 09:26:23 am
The Maj Barre Chords are sounding great. Every string but I have a huge problem with he min. The G string is the problem. Doesn't matter how hard I press I don't get a sound out of it. Even when I move the finger up or down. I don't find the position.
Title: Re: IM-111 • E Shape Barre Chord Grip (Maj and Min)
Post by: Jokurr on May 12, 2016, 10:21:38 pm
I struggle with the G string as well.

The problem for me doesn't seem to have anything to do with the barre... it's my pinky finger, it's always muting the G string. It's definitely more of a problem on the minor shape but sometimes on the major shape as well.

Also I don't seem to have a problem if I'm low down on the fret board, ie playing an F minor chord is not a problem, but playing something like a D minor chord at the 10th fret is more or less impossible. My hand feels like it's getting squished and my pinky ends up muting the G string. Basically the higher up the fret board the worse it gets. I'm really trying to arch my pinky but it's tough.

Anyone else have this problem and have any tips for it?
Title: Re: IM-111 • E Shape Barre Chord Grip (Maj and Min)
Post by: Tobsen on May 18, 2016, 12:08:06 pm
@ Jokuur

Try to get your palm more parallel to the neck. This should improve the angle of your pinky and avoid muting.
Title: Re: IM-111 • E Shape Barre Chord Grip (Maj and Min)
Post by: Specterer on May 24, 2016, 01:52:50 pm
I've been practicing the guitar for 3 weeks now, I thought that I couldn't nail those bar chords because of my lack of strength.

but when I took a look at my finger, I noticed that my finger gets fatter the lower it is from the tip.

So, what I did was including how Justin said that need to roll it sideways, also slide it upwards and just like that, I nailed my bar chords in less than an hour trying!!

and you don't even that much strength if you slide your barre finger upwards. your flesh automatically presses those strings

HOPE THIS HELPS!!!!

Title: Re: IM-111 • E Shape Barre Chord Grip (Maj and Min)
Post by: jtbrown1 on September 21, 2016, 06:29:23 pm
Hi guys,

Officially completed the BC (feel confident in everything I learned, and have a repertoire of about 30 songs I can play through, though most are not memorized I can refer quickly to some notes I kept to remind me of the specific techniques for each song). Note moving onto the IM course and starting my barre chords.

I can already tell I'm going to have issues in the meat between my thumb and first finger. That area is where I get tired and feel like I have to stop and rest after 5 or 10 minutes of constant barres.

I noticed no one else has mentioned this. Any solutions? Or is this just a muscle that's weak and needs to be strengthened over the next several weeks?

Thanks!

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Title: Re: IM-111 • E Shape Barre Chord Grip (Maj and Min)
Post by: SiegeFrog on September 21, 2016, 09:05:01 pm
I'm in the IM with you. Two things:

1. Yes, the muscle needs to get stronger. When I first started 5 minutes of bar chord practice seemed like torture. I've gotten stronger. Think weeks and months, not days.

2. As you get more experience you'll find you need to apply less pressure and therefore won't tire out the muscle so quickly.
Title: Re: IM-111 • E Shape Barre Chord Grip (Maj and Min)
Post by: jtbrown1 on September 21, 2016, 10:11:05 pm
I'm in the IM with you. Two things:

1. Yes, the muscle needs to get stronger. When I first started 5 minutes of bar chord practice seemed like torture. I've gotten stronger. Think weeks and months, not days.

2. As you get more experience you'll find you need to apply less pressure and therefore won't tire out the muscle so quickly.
I'm very glad to hear your reply, especially number 2. I notice that when I'm first learning a new song, even with regular chords I find myself pressing down really hard. Whereas once the song is committed to memory I don't press anywhere near as hard.

I'll keep working on my barre chords and strengthen my hands over the next few weeks.

What I found funny about this is I was watching a video of Corinne Bailey Rae playing songs with her acoustic. If you know her, she's a very slight, small woman. Yet she was having no trouble on her acoustic, playing nothing but barre chords. I'm saying to myself, "if she can do it, surely I can get past the pain." Somewhat sexist, I know. But I think of it as motivation.

Thanks!

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Title: Re: IM-111 • E Shape Barre Chord Grip (Maj and Min)
Post by: Rossco01 on September 21, 2016, 10:54:53 pm
I think you'll find a couple of people on here mentioned that part of the barre chord technique is about realising that it's less about finger strength and more about arm strength. So when you've got the barre finger down use your arm to pull the guitar towards you slightly. It is something I find naturally happening more and more now and I'm not finding I get the aching thumb/finger as much as I used to. I think Sweed77 posted a good link to an article on this some time ago. It may be useful.
Title: Re: IM-111 • E Shape Barre Chord Grip (Maj and Min)
Post by: m_c on September 24, 2016, 11:45:37 am
There is an article from a guitar tutor and how he noticed a young girl he was teaching had no problem and realised it was mostly about arm strength. I can't remember the name though, but it's been linked to a few times.

Try playing Barre's without using your thumb on the back of the neck to really exaggerate the technique. I can just about manage it, but I find I need my thumb as an anchor to make rolling my index finger over easier.
Title: Re: IM-111 • E Shape Barre Chord Grip (Maj and Min)
Post by: yeax on November 08, 2016, 03:57:48 pm
Hi, I have a question here.

I've been playing the barre chords for around 1-2 months now. It sounds alright, I can barre the strings well, but what I've found out recently is, that when I lay down my index finger to bar the strings 1, 2 and 6, I lay it right next to the fret and when I do so, the skin/flesh at the bottom of my index fingers kind of rolls over the fret a bit, especially the low E string. Because of this the thinnest string doesn't sound out clear but makes the sound that you get when u get too close to the fret (not muted though).

I watched some pictures of people doing the E shape chords and it seems that many of those also had the bottom of the index finger way too close to the fret (rolled over it).

Should I try to move my index finger away from the fret to get the low E string sounding clean as well? Has anyone had the same problem? Thanks a lot.
Title: Re: IM-111 • E Shape Barre Chord Grip (Maj and Min)
Post by: Loefgren on June 26, 2017, 11:49:01 am
Hello! I have been working a lot on the E-shape bar chords and overall they work pretty good. Still some more work to do to be able to change between open chords and bar chords quick enough to use them in songs, but i'm happy with the progress.

One problem I have though is bar chords above 6th fret (B and up), no matter how I try I can't really get these to ring out as they should. 1st and 2nd strings are usually dead. 6th fret (A#) works fine, but 7th (B) and up is the problem.

I find this a bit odd, since it is supposed to be harder to do bar chords on 1st-3rd fret. I don't have any problems with these.

Anyone who have the same experience with difficulties on the higher frets? Any idea what to do?
Title: Re: IM-111 • E Shape Barre Chord Grip (Maj and Min)
Post by: Joerfe on June 26, 2017, 12:43:12 pm
Hello! I have been working a lot on the E-shape bar chords and overall they work pretty good. Still some more work to do to be able to change between open chords and bar chords quick enough to use them in songs, but i'm happy with the progress.

One problem I have though is bar chords above 6th fret (B and up), no matter how I try I can't really get these to ring out as they should. 1st and 2nd strings are usually dead. 6th fret (A#) works fine, but 7th (B) and up is the problem.

I find this a bit odd, since it is supposed to be harder to do bar chords on 1st-3rd fret. I don't have any problems with these.

Anyone who have the same experience with difficulties on the higher frets? Any idea what to do?

It could be that your guitar is in need of a setup. Can you check if your guitar neck has too much front bow? Push down the 6th string (low E) at the 1st fret and at the 14th fret simultanously and check the space from the string to the fret in the middle of your hands. If you can fit a business card between the fret wire and the string it is ok.
Title: Re: IM-111 • E Shape Barre Chord Grip (Maj and Min)
Post by: Loefgren on June 27, 2017, 12:33:42 pm
Thanks Jesper!

I am not sure I understand though. I did the test and a credit card for sure does not fit between the fret wire and the string at the 7th fret. The action is much lower than that. Should I try to measure the distance? What would be the ideal distance roughly?
Title: Re: IM-111 • E Shape Barre Chord Grip (Maj and Min)
Post by: Joerfe on June 27, 2017, 12:38:40 pm
A credit card is probably too thick for this. Try a business card instead.
For adjustments and measurements take a look at this (or numerous other sources)
http://www.guitarplayer.com/lessons/1014/the-12-step-guide-to-electric-and-acoustic-guitar-setup/53887


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Title: Re: IM-111 • E Shape Barre Chord Grip (Maj and Min)
Post by: jono on June 27, 2017, 04:05:43 pm
If you hold the string down at the 1st and 14th fret and tap on the low e string on actual 7th fret wire there should be a tiny movement, if there is no movement then the truss rod needs to be tightened. This works for me anyway.
Title: Re: IM-111 • E Shape Barre Chord Grip (Maj and Min)
Post by: Loefgren on June 30, 2017, 09:46:38 am
I have checked the guitar and I think it's good. My father who is a pretty good guitarist have no problem playing bar chords on it at 7th fret. I think its all down to technique. When i move further up the neck, frets get smaller which makes it more difficult for me hold down the bar and fretting the other strings simultaneously.

I recently changed strings and I feel it made it a little easier. I'll just have to keep on practice bar chords.
Title: Re: IM-111 • E Shape Barre Chord Grip (Maj and Min)
Post by: BCDC on January 08, 2018, 04:56:30 pm
Hi folks. I posted this link on a different thread, but I think it is more suitable here. Has anyone seen or tried this method of playing barre chords.

http://www.guitarmetal.com/barre-chords-made-easy/

Thoughts?


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Title: Re: IM-111 • E Shape Barre Chord Grip (Maj and Min)
Post by: sdd56 on January 08, 2018, 08:38:30 pm
@BCDC - I would agree totally with what he is saying about putting the thumb further towards the body of the guitar.

I spent weeks trying to squeeze the barre down, with my thumb either behind the index, or pointing towards the headstock. All I got was a sore thumb joint. Justin doesn't seem to mention thumb position in his barre lessons, but I'm sure a few videos on YouTube show a "pinch" between index and thumb.

Moving my thumb behind finger 2 was a revelation. I'm not sure whether I got the idea from a YouTube video, or possibly it was mentioned in the very long "dreaded F Chord" thread. Almost immediately I was able to form good chords all the way up to F on my electric, with very little pressure needed.  In effect you are forming a lever, with the force coming from the arm, not your thumb.

The other benefit is (for me) - with thumb either behind finger 1 or (worse) pointing up towards the headstock, my fingers 2,3,4 tended to collapse towards my index, which as Justin says, is bad. With thumb behind finger 2, this does not happen.

Acoustic is harder of course but I'm getting there. Now all I need to do is learn to change to other chords at a decent speed!
Title: Re: IM-111 • E Shape Barre Chord Grip (Maj and Min)
Post by: plywood on May 08, 2018, 09:54:40 am
I came here to post the problems I have been having, and they are almost the exact same problems that everyone else has already mentioned! I guess the only solution is practice, practice, practice.

Right now I'm using Creep as my barre workout. I can do G no problem, B is ok-ish, C is quite flakey and Cm is mostly bad. I use the thumb-behind-2nd-finger approach, using my arm to "pivot" my index finger into the fretboard, but it gets tougher and cramped up past the 6th fret. 5 minutes ends in an aching hand at the moment. On electric it is slightly better, but not much.
Title: Re: IM-111 • E Shape Barre Chord Grip (Maj and Min)
Post by: Barend on June 06, 2018, 05:22:05 pm
Hi. I have an issue playing the B Barre and higher up on the neck. My left hand and arm gets close to my body and everything gets cramped up such that i loose quality on  the barre. The curve of the guitar body is over my right leg. It feels like i need alonger guitar neck. Any suggestions on how to address this.?
Tx

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Title: Re: IM-111 • E Shape Barre Chord Grip (Maj and Min)
Post by: DarrellW on June 06, 2018, 05:49:21 pm
Have you tried putting your guitar on your left leg classical style, I do that with my Ukuleles and smaller guitar!
Title: Re: IM-111 • E Shape Barre Chord Grip (Maj and Min)
Post by: stitch101 on June 06, 2018, 06:46:27 pm
Play the A shape B and Bm barre chord then. Thers is really no need to play barre chords that far up the neck.
When your are more experienced at guitar and want to play that far up the neck you'll be using chord inversions,
partial barre chords and triad.
Title: Re: IM-111 • E Shape Barre Chord Grip (Maj and Min)
Post by: tony6767 on June 07, 2018, 12:08:03 pm
Bring on the triads.
Title: Re: IM-111 • E Shape Barre Chord Grip (Maj and Min)
Post by: Barend on June 07, 2018, 10:19:35 pm
Play the A shape B and Bm barre chord then. Thers is really no need to play barre chords that far up the neck.
When your are more experienced at guitar and want to play that far up the neck you'll be using chord inversions,
partial barre chords and triad.
Tx. I haven't looked into the A shaped barre yet.

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Title: Re: IM-111 • E Shape Barre Chord Grip (Maj and Min)
Post by: Barend on June 07, 2018, 10:20:39 pm
Have you tried putting your guitar on your left leg classical style, I do that with my Ukuleles and smaller guitar!


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Title: Re: IM-111 • E Shape Barre Chord Grip (Maj and Min)
Post by: askerovlab on August 01, 2018, 07:59:19 pm
I'm now on intermediate stage. I was pretty long on the beginner stage because I wanted to get the F chord properly down. So, I think my finger is more or less toughened up.

The problem is the following:
I try and practice every day to barre all 6 string, and all of them ring out except the G string no matter how hard I press.
The actions seems reasonable, 0.3mm on the 12th fret.

So, I can play the 7 chord and I can play major E shape, but I can't the minor and minor 7.

I can play minor chord kinf of if move the finger up, but I dont really want to do this, because as I understood it's better to have the finger in one position and not to move it up.

Because when I do move it up, the G string rings out, but not the A and D strings.

There aren't a lot of stores in my city with musical instruments, and the onest that are I'm not sure about their specialists, so I didn't give my guitar to anybody for a setup. I asked in one place and he advice to turn the anchor a bit.

So, my question is: is there a way to know if this the problem with guitar or with my finger not begin strong enough? How can I examine the guitar? Except the action, because it seems normal.
Title: Re: IM-111 • E Shape Barre Chord Grip (Maj and Min)
Post by: stitch101 on August 01, 2018, 09:27:08 pm
Your problem is most likely the G string is in the crease of your index finger.
Your going to have to find a way to place your finger so the strings miss the creases.
To check your guitar place a capo on the first fret them play the chords your having
problems with. If you can play them clean then your nut slots need some work to
bring the action down on the first fret.
Title: Re: IM-111 • E Shape Barre Chord Grip (Maj and Min)
Post by: askerovlab on August 09, 2018, 05:16:44 pm
@stitch101, thanks for your answer. I think this must be a guitar problem. Because, in every video about bar chords, including Justin's, they say it's easier to learn higher on the fretboard, so I've been trying to do this on the 7th.
But interestingly enough, it got easier, not a lot on the 3-4 frets, I can get at least some sound out of G string. So, it's probably neck of the guitar has some weird shape or something.

Planning to buy electric, so maybe my problems will end there.
Title: Re: IM-111 • E Shape Barre Chord Grip (Maj and Min)
Post by: Rolandson on August 22, 2018, 09:38:15 am
I can play the barre chords and they are sounding clear.
The problem what I have is with the wrist.
Right now I ma learning creep from Radiohead. This song is only with barre chords. My wrist is burning because it is exhausting for my fretting hand. Maybe I use too much pressure? 
Does it get easier with more practice?
Does anybody have the same problem)
Title: Re: IM-111 • E Shape Barre Chord Grip (Maj and Min)
Post by: DarrellW on August 22, 2018, 11:19:31 am
You need to remember two things, you’ve not been playing ALL bar chords before so it’s going to be harder and you need to make sure that your posture is correct when you’re playing higher up the neck, it’s easy to not realise that it’s not quite right. If you’re not sure about posture play in front of a mirror and watch yourself playing and be analytical about what you see.
Title: Re: IM-111 • E Shape Barre Chord Grip (Maj and Min)
Post by: Rolandson on August 22, 2018, 02:40:55 pm
Higher up the neck is really difficult. B and C chord needs more pressure then the F or G chord. Thank you for the advice

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Title: Re: IM-111 • E Shape Barre Chord Grip (Maj and Min)
Post by: stitch101 on August 22, 2018, 05:32:56 pm
Higher up the neck is really difficult. B and C chord needs more pressure then the F or G chord. Thank you for the advice

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Higher up the neck should be easier, there is less tension on the string. How high
is the action on your guitar.
Your wrist is burning most likely because you are cranking it past a 45 deg. angle.
Your wrist should be as straight as possible.
Title: Re: IM-111 • E Shape Barre Chord Grip (Maj and Min)
Post by: Rolandson on August 22, 2018, 05:47:50 pm
Exactly. Almost 45 degrees when it is higher up the neck.

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Title: Re: IM-111 • E Shape Barre Chord Grip (Maj and Min)
Post by: Rolandson on August 23, 2018, 08:45:14 am
So I just found out the mistake I made since I started learning barre chords. Justin always said that anyway but I wasn't sure what he ment with too much pressure. I just used so much I needed and it isn't even a lot. If I  use a lot pressure the flesh from the finger gets pushed  and it moves forward. That's way the D string when I play a 7 chord was not clear. To much pressure is counterproductive. It makes so much sense now.

Hope everybody understands what I wrote here. Maybe the grammatic isn't as good. My native language is German.

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Title: Re: IM-111 • E Shape Barre Chord Grip (Maj and Min)
Post by: 62newbie on September 23, 2018, 04:41:39 pm
Was wondering why the lessons say to learn the barre chords up to the 8th fret? Is there a reason not to go higher say to the 12th fret? Is because most of the time your not going to use barre chords above the 8th fret?
Title: Re: IM-111 • E Shape Barre Chord Grip (Maj and Min)
Post by: Joerfe on September 23, 2018, 05:27:20 pm
Was wondering why the lessons say to learn the barre chords up to the 8th fret? Is there a reason not to go higher say to the 12th fret? Is because most of the time your not going to use barre chords above the 8th fret?

Above 8th fret there usually is too little room for bar chords. When playing up there you normally would choose to play chords differently like triads or diads only.