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Title: TE-751 • Melodic Percussive Fingerstyle
Post by: justinguitar on July 15, 2010, 03:11:20 pm
Questions please...

Lesson Link: http://www.justinguitar.com/en/TE-751-MelodicPercussiveFingerstyle.php
Title: Re: TE-310 • Melodic Percussive Fingerstyle
Post by: mike067 on July 15, 2010, 05:04:47 pm
Justin-I have an important question, but first, I just want to say- I've never done this before- write to someone who made a video.
 I know you're probably too busy to write back, but if I COULD ask you anything, it would be for a Good Fingerstyle tab book, with James Taylor, other fingerstyle greats, blues, etc. Is there such a thing?

When I was younger, I used to think James Taylor songs were too "pretty" to be "cool", how wrong I was.

When I started playing guitar, many moons ago, I loved "Fire and rain", but I thought, "Nah, that sounds too complicated to learn"
Since then, I've learned hundreds of songs I can strum chords and sing to, so my New Challenge is fingerstyle and sing.

I just watched your "Fire and rain"-  Dude- YOU-ARE-AWESOME. You can even sing like James!
 I wish I could take Lessons from you, but I will learn as much as possible, from your site. Thank You, from all of us who appreciate what you do.

 I have ONE question (so far). Are those fingernails glue-ons?
 I've been trying to figure the best way to go. The plastic fingerpicks, I can't really get the "touch". the control of my fingers, with them.
 And flesh doesn't have the treble, the tone, of picks, or nails.  I don't think ANY fingerpicks can EVER give the touch YOU have, with your nails.
Give us the Nail Secrets!

Oh! yeah, justone more- I was reading your vibrato post, and replies, some guys mention your "videos",the Vibrato video", and 5 blues riffs", etc. Where do I find those videos, on You Tube?


Thanks, again, Justin. You are a TRUE musician of caliber.   "Full marks", I think the Brits say?

I can't tell you how much I appreciate the "Fire and rain" video.
I gotta go, so I can practice!  ........ Bravo, Bravo, Bravo.

Take a Bow, my man- If you ever make a record, I'll DEFINITELY buy it!
 
 
Title: Re: TE-310 • Melodic Percussive Fingerstyle
Post by: misterg on July 15, 2010, 10:49:21 pm
Oh! yeah, justone more- I was reading your vibrato post, and replies, some guys mention your "videos",the Vibrato video", and 5 blues riffs", etc. Where do I find those videos, on You Tube?


If you go to the main website:www.justinguitar.com/ (http://www.justinguitar.com/)

There's a list of lesson topics down the left hand side. The vibrato videos are under 'Technique', and the blues licks ones are under 'Blues'. It's not the easiest site to navigate, but there's an awful lot of material there.

BTW: I believe Justin's RH nails are falsies, and he has made a record already :) - look for "Small Town Eyes"

If you don't know, he also does  a live 'U-Stream' broadcast most Fridays at 6pm UK time. The old ones are here (http://www.ustream.tv/channel/justinguitar-live)

He is The Man.

HTH

Andy
Title: Re: TE-310 • Melodic Percussive Fingerstyle
Post by: AleksD on July 16, 2010, 01:52:35 pm
whats up with the selfmade pickguard? :)

I have ONE question (so far). Are those fingernails glue-ons?

he said once they are acrylic nails like the girls have, getting done once in a month or so.
Title: Re: TE-310 • Melodic Percussive Fingerstyle
Post by: Green45 on July 16, 2010, 06:45:05 pm
Anyone have a good tip/explanation for Example 5 of this lesson and what technique you use to click and only get 1 string to ring out in the process? For me it's either none ring or they all ring ( referring to top 3 high notes). Any advice for this would be greatly appreciated!   

ie:

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1
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Title: Re: TE-310 • Melodic Percussive Fingerstyle
Post by: muudzis on July 16, 2010, 08:28:26 pm
When I hit the strings with my palm - almost no sound comes out on my acoustic guitars with nylon or metal strings. What could I be doing wrong?
Title: Re: TE-310 • Melodic Percussive Fingerstyle
Post by: Cue Zephyr on July 16, 2010, 10:57:52 pm
To get that first string ringing, practise your right hand coordination. Slap to get the click, then stretch all your fingers and try to get your middle finger to skim just that first string. I had trouble with this too, when learning Ebon Coast a couple of weeks ago, but practise it over and over again, and you'll dial it in.

Slap harder to get the click.
Title: Re: TE-310 • Melodic Percussive Fingerstyle
Post by: G.Ben91 on August 05, 2010, 08:40:39 pm
Death Cab For Cutie - I Will Follow You Into The Dark
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xbqtuFemMOE

I think he uses exactly this tech in that song, and I wanna learn it. I've been practicing the technique, but can any1 send me a good tab or a link to a good tutorial on this one?
Title: Re: TE-310 • Melodic Percussive Fingerstyle
Post by: knuid on August 25, 2010, 05:50:00 pm
Dear Forum (and Justin of course)


I haven't looked at the website for a bit and was delighted to find all the new vids Justin has put up. I've been learning with him for 18 months now and I've progressed from a complete beginner who would vanish in a cloud of bright red embarrassment at the mention of playing something in public to someone who isn't ashamed to play the odd song for a few friends! Thanks Justin!

I have a little question concerning my guitar which I have discovered whilst trying to do the "click" thing in this lesson. Sometimes I get a click, but mostly I get a horrible squeak from somewhere in my guitar! I don't think it's my technique - if I try it on my classical I don't get the squeak.. I've had close look at my guitar and there aren't any visible cracks in the body.... but it has called to mind an incident when I put my guitar on its stand wrong, walked away and the poor thing tipped forward and fell face down onto the wood floor... The horror! (Wish I wasn't so clumsy, but I'm the king of person who'll open a cupboard door, forget about it 2 seconds later and walk right into it. Bet my guitar wishes it had a more corodinated owner.)
Is that squeak possbly a sign of damage on the inside? Something loose around the bridge? Also, if I push with one or two fingers on the body of the guitar about 1inch from the bridge (if I go to the centre of the bridge and move 1inch in the direction away from the strings and soundhole, at 90 degrees to the bridge) I get a slight creaking sound.
As I said, I can't see and damage, and when restringing my guitar I had a good feel around the inside around the bridge but noticed nothing strange. I'm sure that when I bought the guitar there was no creak!

Your best guesses would be much appreciated,
Knuid


   
Title: Re: TE-310 • Melodic Percussive Fingerstyle
Post by: misterg on August 25, 2010, 07:11:37 pm
Death Cab For Cutie - I Will Follow You Into The Dark

I think he uses exactly this tech in that song, and I wanna learn it. I've been practicing the technique, but can any1 send me a good tab or a link to a good tutorial on this one?

Sorry, didn't see your question 'till now:

I *think* Gibbard uses more of a 'rake' than hitting the strings (a 'chuck'??). i.e. he drags his fingernails across the string after hitting the bass note. This video describes the technique as I understand it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P8SzxZJ4Rls&feature=related

There are LOADS of tabs out there for this song - I think most of them are wrong! The one I learnt was version 5 on Ultimate Guitar:

http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/tabs/d/death_cab_for_cutie/i_will_follow_you_into_the_dark_ver5_crd.htm

Note: Capo on 5th.


I can't say I particularly like DCfC, but I love this song - I'm pretty much up to speed with it now, having started learning it about 6 months ago - it took a long time to bring the picking / rhythm up to speed.

HTH

Andy
Title: Re: TE-310 • Melodic Percussive Fingerstyle
Post by: G.Ben91 on August 31, 2010, 07:20:09 pm
Oh damn.

Well, too late, I spent a month trying to do it with the percussive style... I wasn't  too far I guess, I did bass-hit-1st, bass-1st-hit-1st, problem was that I couldnt control my first finger to always hit the 4th string... but I saw Justin could pick out any string between the hits, so probably it just needs practice.

Anyway, gonna try this thing... as for the chords, I tried a bit different version but it's fairly close, and first I played with capo, but realized I couldn't sing along that high, so no capo for me ;)
Title: Re: TE-310 • Melodic Percussive Fingerstyle
Post by: misterg on August 31, 2010, 09:18:20 pm
...problem was that I couldnt control my first finger to always hit the 4th string... but I saw Justin could pick out any string between the hits, so probably it just needs practice.

*Definitely* just needs practice.

The problem is that you need a relaxed, consistent right hand movement, but this is difficult to get going while you're having to hunt for the string to pluck every time. I used to play this through once every day before I went to work. It gradually went from taking 10 minutes to ~3 minutes. Also, the concentration it required was intense - I couldn't even speak while I was playing it - now I can (almost) hold a conversation whilst keeping the song going.

I still occasionally hit the 6th string, and get lost in the chord changes if I'm not concentrating, though.

Singing, now there's a real challenge :)

Andy
Title: Re: TE-310 • Melodic Percussive Fingerstyle
Post by: Cue Zephyr on August 31, 2010, 09:27:44 pm
Yeah, singing is a real challenge.
A couple of months ago (before this lesson was out) I tried to use this technique in More Than Words by Extreme. It adds some groove to the song if you do it like that, but then singing along is really very hard.

Or, I misunderstood your point.
Title: Re: TE-310 • Melodic Percussive Fingerstyle
Post by: misterg on August 31, 2010, 09:36:52 pm
Or, I misunderstood your point.

 ;D

Nope, you understood perfectly  :D
Title: Re: TE-310 • Melodic Percussive Fingerstyle
Post by: Cue Zephyr on August 31, 2010, 09:56:58 pm
Good. It is really, really hard to sing along that, but it sounds so full if you can! As I like Andy McKee I also use this technique a lot to add that groove that I love so much in many of his songs.
Title: Re: TE-310 • Melodic Percussive Fingerstyle
Post by: caustin on October 10, 2010, 11:48:16 am
I am amazed at the sound you are getting from this technique. I would really like to see more tabs on some of the licks you were hitting in the chord progression in the video. I can't quite get them by watching. Good lesson. I have never seen or heard anything like this before.
Chris
Title: Re: TE-310 • Melodic Percussive Fingerstyle
Post by: Cue Zephyr on October 10, 2010, 02:18:44 pm
Then you haven't heard Andy McKee or Antoine Dufour or Don Ross or whoever did actually use it.
Title: Re: TE-310 • Melodic Percussive Fingerstyle
Post by: Phalanx on October 11, 2010, 10:26:50 pm
I'm probably gonna add the basic exercise to my practise routine because I really want to learn this. But I've got question first: I remember (it might not be true...) that in one of the Ustream sessions Justin mentioned that the click is partly your palm hitting the strings and partly your nails touching / sliding / hitting the strings. Is this true? I get a decent click when I use my palm + my nails, but the click doesn't really work with just the palm.
Title: Re: TE-310 • Melodic Percussive Fingerstyle
Post by: Cue Zephyr on October 11, 2010, 11:26:38 pm
I can only get a decent click with the palm. Either my fingers are too weak or the strings are too heavy (mediums) to get a click with just my fingers.
Title: Re: TE-310 • Melodic Percussive Fingerstyle
Post by: Phalanx on October 12, 2010, 04:49:25 pm
Yeah, I guess there are some variables. But it wouldn't be a bad idea to just do the palm + fingernails?
Title: Re: TE-310 • Melodic Percussive Fingerstyle
Post by: Cue Zephyr on October 12, 2010, 06:07:18 pm
Of course, if it works why not?
Title: Re: TE-310 • Melodic Percussive Fingerstyle
Post by: Phalanx on October 12, 2010, 06:09:36 pm
Haha, just making sure. :D I'm quite scared of developing a bad habit... :)
Title: Re: TE-310 • Melodic Percussive Fingerstyle
Post by: Cue Zephyr on October 12, 2010, 06:49:38 pm
I develop bad habits. I play with my left hand over the neck now. :P
Title: Re: TE-310 • Melodic Percussive Fingerstyle
Post by: Phalanx on October 13, 2010, 03:17:05 pm
I develop bad habits. I play with my left hand over the neck now. :P
Now, that is quite a bad habit. :D
Title: Re: TE-310 • Melodic Percussive Fingerstyle
Post by: strings on January 29, 2012, 10:23:40 am
Is it possible for someone to tab the G chord percussive sequence @ 5:51 of the video? This is exactly what I need help with.  Thanx...
Title: Re: TE-310 • Melodic Percussive Fingerstyle
Post by: Cue Zephyr on January 29, 2012, 01:23:35 pm
I could tab it out but I thought maybe it's enough if I told you it's 6th string and slap that contains a walk-down.
1ststring: 3rd fret - 1st fret - open
2nd string: 3rd frt - 1st fret - open
3rd string: 2nd string - open
Title: Re: TE-310 • Melodic Percussive Fingerstyle
Post by: strings on January 29, 2012, 07:47:00 pm
Can someone tab the G sequence at 5:50 plz? If I am unable to get a grip on this example and feel if I could at least get this then stuff will fall into place...as alot of music out there seems to follow this example. Thanx...
Title: Re: TE-310 • Melodic Percussive Fingerstyle
Post by: Bootstrap on January 29, 2012, 07:55:14 pm
You see the right hand at 5:50 and Justin shows you at 6:25 how to do the left hand.
Title: Re: TE-310 • Melodic Percussive Fingerstyle
Post by: strings on January 29, 2012, 08:17:41 pm
Doesn't help me at all...I've watched and worked on it for hours on end and still can't get a grip on it! Is it too much to ask someone to tab this please? I feel that if I could get this exercise it would benefit me greatly! Thank you!!
Title: Re: TE-310 • Melodic Percussive Fingerstyle
Post by: strings on January 29, 2012, 08:21:48 pm
I can hear the melody but I am not able to put the 2 together. If I could then I would not be posting. It's not like I haven't even attempted it...I have for almost 4 days, for hours on end and still am not coming close to nailing it and now I am highly frustrated. I was hoping to get some help on this, that's why i joined the forum. Thanks to anyone that posts the tab...it would be much appreciated!!
Title: Re: TE-310 • Melodic Percussive Fingerstyle
Post by: strings on January 29, 2012, 08:31:40 pm
If you tab it please notate where the hits are at the tail end of the run...that's where I am having the most trouble! I am hoping there is someone that can help with this.
Title: Re: TE-310 • Melodic Percussive Fingerstyle
Post by: strings on January 29, 2012, 08:41:52 pm
Justin doesn't show exactly what he is doing on the left hand either. It would have been WAY better if he had shown both hands together then I probably wouldn't be having this much trouble. He just runs down thru the scale on the left hand not showing exactly what he played in the example (RH fingers on what strings as he plays left hand). The scale I know...the technique and the sequence is what I am not getting. Thanks to anyone that helps!
Title: Re: TE-310 • Melodic Percussive Fingerstyle
Post by: misterg on January 29, 2012, 08:54:24 pm
Cue Zephyr told you the first time you asked  ???

Andy
Title: Re: TE-310 • Melodic Percussive Fingerstyle
Post by: strings on January 29, 2012, 09:15:56 pm
I thought this was supposed to be a forum for guitar playing questions...why all the hostility? As I stated before it's not the LH that I was having difficulties with! Forget it, too much attitude on this forum, I don't need this xx--xx! Well it was nice while it lasted (less than 12 hours)...I'm out! I'll figure it out on my own then!! Laterz...
Title: Re: TE-310 • Melodic Percussive Fingerstyle
Post by: Bootstrap on January 29, 2012, 09:27:14 pm
@Strings - believe it or not we were trying to help you.

Give a man a fish, feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish, feed him for life.

@Cue gave you an answer and I referred you back to a specific part of the video that you did not mention in your op - if you didn't understand Cues advice, then ask specific questions, same, same regarding the video.

We will more than willingly help you learn.
Title: Re: TE-310 • Melodic Percussive Fingerstyle
Post by: strings on January 29, 2012, 09:59:42 pm
Listen I asked for a tab for a specific part of the video, and was hoping someone could give me some insights into the RH (I asked this several times). I have a decent ear, and heard the melody but was a little lost "putting it all together". I cam to this forum, for some help and Cue gave me a skeleton tab (thank you BTW) that while helpful, was nothing that I didn't know already...it was just the melody descending. My question was what the RH was playing EXACTLY as he was descending.
  It's a moot point now...I've gotten damn close to figuring it out myself, but was unsure of the "proper" technique...but no matter. I know now I can figure out this stuff by myself AND not be subject to peeps attitudes.  Good luck to all, and I was hoping for better on this forum
Title: Re: TE-310 • Melodic Percussive Fingerstyle
Post by: close2u on January 30, 2012, 08:22:57 am
Your first post ... please can someone do my homework for me?
Is it possible for someone to tab the G chord percussive sequence @ 5:51 of the video? This is exactly what I need help with.  Thanx...

First response ... Well, not all of it, but here's a little bit of guidance to help you on your way.
I could tab it out but I thought maybe it's enough if I told you it's 6th string and slap that contains a walk-down.
1ststring: 3rd fret - 1st fret - open
2nd string: 3rd frt - 1st fret - open
3rd string: 2nd string - open

Your second post ... please can someone do my homework for me?
Note - you give no thanks or acknowledgement of Cue trying to help you.
Can someone tab the G sequence at 5:50 plz? If I am unable to get a grip on this example and feel if I could at least get this then stuff will fall into place...as alot of music out there seems to follow this example. Thanx...

Second response ... could not be more precise and exact in helping you focus on the parts of the video that will help you.
You see the right hand at 5:50 and Justin shows you at 6:25 how to do the left hand.

Your third post ... meh, you're no good, can someone else help me do my homework?
Once again no thanks from you to Bootstrap, nor acknowledgement that he spent time trying to help you.
Doesn't help me at all...I've watched and worked on it for hours on end and still can't get a grip on it! Is it too much to ask someone to tab this please? I feel that if I could get this exercise it would benefit me greatly! Thank you!!

Next - three successive posts from you ... all just repeating the cry ... post the tabs, post the tabs, come on, do my homework for me.

Your fourth post ... please can someone help me do my homework?
I can hear the melody but I am not able to put the 2 together. If I could then I would not be posting. It's not like I haven't even attempted it...I have for almost 4 days, for hours on end and still am not coming close to nailing it and now I am highly frustrated. I was hoping to get some help on this, that's why i joined the forum. Thanks to anyone that posts the tab...it would be much appreciated!!

Your fifth post ... oh yeah .. make sure you do it properly. I don't want a half-assed job.
If you tab it please notate where the hits are at the tail end of the run...that's where I am having the most trouble! I am hoping there is someone that can help with this.

Your sixth post ... along the lines of come on everyone ... my teacher is crap and didn't teach me properly, I really need your help to do my homework.
Justin doesn't show exactly what he is doing on the left hand either. It would have been WAY better if he had shown both hands together then I probably wouldn't be having this much trouble. He just runs down thru the scale on the left hand not showing exactly what he played in the example (RH fingers on what strings as he plays left hand). The scale I know...the technique and the sequence is what I am not getting. Thanks to anyone that helps!

A chance for another response ...
Cue Zephyr told you the first time you asked  ???
Andy
Exactly as Andy says, you have already been helped ... and without giving any thanks back.

Your seventh post ... berating the forum members for not helping you to do your homework.
I thought this was supposed to be a forum for guitar playing questions...why all the hostility? As I stated before it's not the LH that I was having difficulties with! Forget it, too much attitude on this forum, I don't need this xx--xx! Well it was nice while it lasted (less than 12 hours)...I'm out! I'll figure it out on my own then!! Laterz...

This posts quite clearly shows the hostility is coming from you!
And, by the way,
Quote
As I stated before it's not the LH that I was having difficulties with!
is BS .. you have not stated this at all ... you have just made general requests for tabs.

Another response ... Bootstrap showing patience and a willingness to help even after your impatient and unreasonable outburst.
@Strings - believe it or not we were trying to help you.
Give a man a fish, feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish, feed him for life.
@Cue gave you an answer and I referred you back to a specific part of the video that you did not mention in your op - if you didn't understand Cues advice, then ask specific questions, same, same regarding the video.
We will more than willingly help you learn.

Your eighth post ... showing no class, no style and no gratitude.
Listen I asked for a tab for a specific part of the video, and was hoping someone could give me some insights into the RH (I asked this several times). I have a decent ear, and heard the melody but was a little lost "putting it all together". I cam to this forum, for some help and Cue gave me a skeleton tab (thank you BTW) that while helpful, was nothing that I didn't know already...it was just the melody descending. My question was what the RH was playing EXACTLY as he was descending.
 It's a moot point now...I've gotten damn close to figuring it out myself, but was unsure of the "proper" technique...but no matter. I know now I can figure out this stuff by myself AND not be subject to peeps attitudes.  Good luck to all, and I was hoping for better on this forum

Now to break this down ...

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... (I) was hoping someone could give me some insights into the RH (I asked this several times).
No, no you didn't! You only mentioned your need for the right hand in your 7th post.

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... I cam to this forum, for some help and Cue gave me a skeleton tab (thank you BTW)
Aha! Thanks at last.

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... that while helpful, was nothing that I didn't know already
Not much of a thanks then!

Quote
... My question was what the RH was playing EXACTLY as he was descending.
Where exactly did you ask this exact question?

Quote
... It's a moot point now...I've gotten damn close to figuring it out myself, but was unsure of the "proper" technique...but no matter. I know now I can figure out this stuff by myself ...
Hooray!
You can do it yourself.
That is what folk have been trying to encourage you to do - with a little helpful prompting.
That is why Bootstrap wrote the famous teach a man to fish quotation.
And don't forget - the people responding to you had no idea whatever (because you gave them none) of your actual skill / ability level and experience of playing this style.

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... AND not be subject to peeps attitudes.
You're the one with the attitude.

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...   Good luck to all, and I was hoping for better on this forum
Mmmhh.
Do you know what?
We expect better on this forum .. better than you have shown.
We expect courtesy, manners, respect, gratitude.
We also expect people to contextualise their queries and problems so we can best help and guide them to become better guitarists.
If you leave you won't be missed.
Title: Re: TE-310 • Melodic Percussive Fingerstyle
Post by: avidjmlearner on May 24, 2012, 11:16:52 pm
Hey Justin and fellow guitarists!
I have been trying eagerly to learn "Stop this Train" by John Mayer.  I tried to learn "Neon", and thanks to your video Justin, I picked it up pretty fast.  However, I am not good at "Stop this Train" at all.  The technique involved must be one of my weaknesses.  It would be GREATLY appreciated if you, Justin, would post a tutorial on it.  Or, could someone who knows it share some tips?  I'm not sure i have the tabs right, and I don't know how to do the slap at all.  Thanks in advance everybody! (:
Title: Re: TE-310 • Melodic Percussive Fingerstyle
Post by: JimLad on May 24, 2012, 11:19:32 pm
you want a lesson on melodic percussive fingerstyle?  there is one already...
Title: Re: TE-310 • Melodic Percussive Fingerstyle
Post by: Cue Zephyr on May 25, 2012, 02:05:36 am
Precisely what JimLad says - it's exactly the same technique. I've learned this technique from learning Andy McKee, Antoine Dufour and Don Ross songs as well as Justin's own "From Katie's Window".

It just requires practice to 1) get a solid slap and 2) become more accurate with hitting strings with the back of your fingers (nails).

I'd do a short video on it if there weren't so many already. ;D
Title: Re: TE-310 • Melodic Percussive Fingerstyle
Post by: avidjmlearner on May 27, 2012, 09:33:11 pm
Ok thanks guys.   :)  I wasn't sure for a while if you had to slap and then play or slap and play at the same time, but now i know.  Any idea on the correct chords/tabs for "Stop this Train" though?  ???
Title: Re: TE-310 • Melodic Percussive Fingerstyle
Post by: Cue Zephyr on May 28, 2012, 01:50:31 pm
Look it up on YouTube - I learned it there also. ;)
Title: Re: TE-310 • Melodic Percussive Fingerstyle
Post by: KnopflerFinger on June 16, 2012, 11:52:20 am
Hi all, can you please take a look at 46:05 of this video?http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YwQ8nLnk7as
It is Mark Knopfler playing a similar percussive hit,but seems quite different, he doesn't move his hand from the body
of the guitar, so maybe he does a sort of slap with a rotation of the thumb,not a palm hit.
The noise is not as strong as justin's technique,
but is enough sharp and very nice. How do you think he does?
Title: Re: TE-310 • Melodic Percussive Fingerstyle
Post by: JimLad on June 16, 2012, 12:56:49 pm
from other videos ive watched with him demonstrating his technique he's palm muting while dragging the backs of his fingers across the muted strings.
Title: Re: TE-310 • Melodic Percussive Fingerstyle
Post by: KnopflerFinger on June 16, 2012, 01:10:19 pm
you mean like in  the very  beginning and at 5:20 of this video? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_8dDaPsSmg
yes it's probably this way thanks.. so the difference with justin's one is bigger then i thought
Title: Re: TE-310 • Melodic Percussive Fingerstyle
Post by: misterg on June 16, 2012, 01:46:11 pm
maybe he does a sort of slap with a rotation of the thumb,not a palm hit.
The noise is not as strong as justin's technique,
but is enough sharp and very nice. How do you think he does?

I think what sounds like a hit is just his thumb aggressively plucking the bass notes.

As far as I know, he uses his 1st & 2nd fingers together to make quick up-down-up  pick on 2 strings (between the bass notes played with his thumb). On the down pick, the strings are plucked with the "wrong" side of his finger tips. He tends to rest his fingers on the strings between notes to mute them.

Have a look at the very start and at 5:15 of this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i_7feGF9TA8

It's not much clearer, though.

Andy

HAH! I've linked to the same video as the previous response, but from a different youtuber.
Title: Re: TE-310 • Melodic Percussive Fingerstyle
Post by: KnopflerFinger on June 16, 2012, 03:36:30 pm
I tried his technique and it so difficult:( when resting the palm to mute string,the hand is so low on the strings
and rotated on his right sight,
that i can't comfortably do that upstroke with 1and2 finger..
and if he is muting with the left hand?i m not sure
if melody notes are ringing out or not(in the second case the left hand muting can be the aswer..)

@misterg
i don't think it's thumb strong plucking,if so it would sound as at exactly 5:00
of the same video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_8dDaPsSmg,i think  in the 1st video the sound is not so rude and strong..

(lol look at that pick abandoned on his leg,it bust be the most depressed pick in the world )



Title: Re: TE-310 • Melodic Percussive Fingerstyle
Post by: kangastelg on August 02, 2012, 12:56:35 pm
Hi looking forward for some songs like Kings of convenience - know how.
Title: Re: TE-310 • Melodic Percussive Fingerstyle
Post by: Real_music_Lucas on September 25, 2012, 10:35:14 am
hi there!

I just found these folk fingerstyle under the technique and was wondering when to start these at what stage? iv kinda just finished the beginners course and is basically really trying to master it now before going onto the Inter. course. is it recomended i start though the inter. course before hitting up these folk fingerstyle teckniques or can i begin them now?
Title: Re: TE-310 • Melodic Percussive Fingerstyle
Post by: PinkMoon on May 25, 2013, 07:01:50 am
Howdy folks,

I've been a long-time casual viewer of Justin's site but recently decided to put a bit more discipline into my learning, and found my way to this lesson.  As evidenced in my username, I really love folk/fingerstyle guitar and really want to learn the technique in this video.  I can play Follow You Into the Dark pretty well, using a raking style percussion, but this slap/strum/click thing is proving difficult for me, mainly because I find it really hurts my fingers!  The problem is if slap the bottom strings with the fleshy base of my thumb and palm, and curl my fingers to catch the top 3 strings, I find I end up often hitting the top strings with the flesh right above my nails on fingers 1, 2 and 3, which hurts after a short while.  Am I just being a baby (ie. do I need to develop calluses on the back of my fingers?!) or is there something wrong with my technique?

Would really appreciate any help you good people out there might be able to throw my way.

Many thanks in advance, and rock on one and all.
Title: Re: TE-310 • Melodic Percussive Fingerstyle
Post by: Jonny5 on May 25, 2013, 04:16:19 pm
That part of your fingers is pretty sensitive but yes I'm afraid it's just a case of manning up until you lose some of that sensation, as you have done with your fingertips. It shouldn't take too long. I learnt a couple of flamenco style strumming patterns on a steel string acoustic a while ago, wasn't uncommon for my fingers/thumb to bleed a little at first!
Title: Re: TE-310 • Melodic Percussive Fingerstyle
Post by: stitch101 on May 25, 2013, 04:59:14 pm
Pink Moon There are many different way to do percussive fingerstyle. Play around with it until you find a
way that work for you. Try to curl your fingers less so your nails hit the string. Like everything else with
guitar start slow and make your fingers do what you want/need them to do.

Have you watch this lesson from Justin?
http://www.justinguitar.com/en/TE-301-FKW-Fingerstyle.php
Title: Re: TE-310 • Melodic Percussive Fingerstyle
Post by: justinguitar on May 26, 2013, 11:42:19 am
Mine hurt too when I started ding this style... persistence worked ;) good luck.
Title: Re: TE-310 • Melodic Percussive Fingerstyle
Post by: PinkMoon on May 26, 2013, 11:58:08 am
Thanks Jonny5 and stitch101 for both of your replies.  And to Justin, you have my most sincere thanks (and a small donation  :o) for everything that you've contributed, and continue to contribute, to the guitar community.

Firstly, J5 - I suspected as much, but wanted to check whether I was doing something wrong from the outset in case I'm putting my fingers through unnecessary grief.  The flesh above my index-ring fingers is a bit raw/sensitive today after 2 days of practising, but I'm slowly getting there.  I'll persevere, and have adapted the angle/strength of contact, etc, a little to alleviate the pain and hone my technique.

Stitch101 - thanks for the tip re: curling my fingers less.  I basically came to that conclusion late last night once my fingers got a bit stingy to avoid aggravating them further.

I really love fingerstlye guitar and have put many days, weeks and months learning some of Nick Drake, Lindsey Buckingham and others' fingerpicking tunes, but this percussive style (captured in TE-301) is something that I've not learnt before, but am really keen to develop.  I'm envious every time I see guys and girls play like this, and have long wanted to learn how.  It really helps add some flavour to tunes :)

Oh, and in case you're wondering.... that guy you see walking down the street with bandaids on his right hand fingertips and new-found swagger in his walk is probably me ;)