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Title: RO-004 • Mini Sweep Picking Arpeggios
Post by: justinguitar on July 14, 2010, 05:04:12 pm
Questions people...

Lesson Link: http://www.justinguitar.com/en/RO-004-MiniSweepPickingArpeggios.php
Title: Re: RO-004 • Mini Sweep Picking Arpeggios
Post by: chix2 on July 14, 2010, 06:11:06 pm
 A diminished 7th arpeggio. These move up or down 3 frets and the root note is any one of the notes! So in this case it's a G, Bb, C# or E arpeggio!

c# part of E arpegio , please tell me thats an error. or i  totaly just give up as of today theory for ever.
Title: Re: RO-004 • Mini Sweep Picking Arpeggios
Post by: hmtaylor on July 18, 2010, 03:34:40 am
chix

what you said doesn't even make sense.  I'm not sure what you're even asking?

are you asking what are the notes of an E dom 7 arpeggio?
Title: Re: RO-004 • Mini Sweep Picking Arpeggios
Post by: chix2 on July 18, 2010, 08:58:21 am
well the first bit was coppied from the justins page. the underneath was the question part, but its ok now anyhow thanks
Title: Re: RO-004 • Mini Sweep Picking Arpeggios
Post by: chix2 on July 18, 2010, 09:03:43 am
justin was actuly talking bout  Edim7th arpegioit threw me casue it just said E arepgio, an thats what threw me Db/C# in E arepgio hence why queary but if ide thought bout it, C#/Db is in Edim7th sorted
Title: Re: RO-004 • Mini Sweep Picking Arpeggios
Post by: jchen1717 on August 25, 2010, 03:33:03 am
Hi All,

I know I'm supposed to play each note individually (hence arpeggio and not chord), but should I be muting the strings I'm not playing on?

Thanks in advance.
Title: Re: RO-004 • Mini Sweep Picking Arpeggios
Post by: XamTheOne on August 26, 2010, 02:46:00 pm
@ jchen1717

Only if they ring.  You want to hear only one note.  I use the tip of the finger that's playing the next note when going physically down (ex: A string to D string, mute the A with the finger playing on D), and rest my fingers on the strings when going physically up.
Title: Re: RO-004 • Mini Sweep Picking Arpeggios
Post by: jchen1717 on August 28, 2010, 06:45:57 pm
Alright, thanks man.
Title: Re: RO-004 • Mini Sweep Picking Arpeggios
Post by: mrbatch on August 30, 2010, 05:57:35 pm
Hi,
The new mini sweep is a great start for arpeggios. Please can you however advise on the guitar tone you use on this video as it clearly helps the overall effect. When you play each note on its own the note really rings and seems to grow / swell. Are you using short delay to thicken note, reverb, distortion, compression etc. Also it looks like single coil in the vid - are they special ones (i have lace sensors ) and do you recommended bridge/neck or ??

Basically the lesson is great but i think if you advise on the tone/amp settings this would make it even better.

PS your site is brilliant for someone learning/improving :)))))
Title: Re: RO-004 • Mini Sweep Picking Arpeggios
Post by: mrbatch on September 14, 2010, 02:42:05 pm
bump my last post???
Title: Re: RO-004 • Mini Sweep Picking Arpeggios
Post by: William Nicolas on September 21, 2010, 02:34:42 pm
Hi,

Shouldn't the first note of example 5 be a G, instead of a F#?
Title: Re: RO-004 • Mini Sweep Picking Arpeggios
Post by: eternally_gutted on June 20, 2011, 03:46:04 am
justin, i wanted to comment you a doubt about this lesson.

tab would be:

E||--------------12--15--12----------|----------x--x----------|
B||----------13--------------13------|-------x----------x-----|
G||--12--14----------------------14- |--x------------------x--|
D||----------------------------------|------------------------|
A||----------------------------------|------------------------|
E||----------------------------------|------------------------|

rigth hand is not picking continuosly the string like:
--------x--------||
-----x-----x-----||
--x-----------x--||
-----------------||
-----------------||
-----------------||

there are some stops for hammers and pull off. it´s really difficult for me to play it fast because these stops. right hand is not playing XXXXXX, it´s X-XXX-XX.

some help?

sorry for my bad english.
Title: Re: RO-004 • Mini Sweep Picking Arpeggios
Post by: Smudgee on August 04, 2011, 03:40:26 am
What is the best way for me to mute strings if they ring. For example, when I take my finger off the 13th fret of the B string it rings out the open B. So how can I best stop this?
Title: Re: RO-004 • Mini Sweep Picking Arpeggios
Post by: gumslinger on September 04, 2011, 10:19:12 am
What is the best way for me to mute strings if they ring. For example, when I take my finger off the 13th fret of the B string it rings out the open B. So how can I best stop this?

There are other lessons on the site that cover muting out the string noise. You do it in a variety of different ways. Sometimes the tip of ur finger needs to be up a little high to mute the string above, sometimes your finger needs to be arched just right to mute the string below, sometimes your other fingers need to rest in place to mute other strings, and sometimes your picking hand helps by partially palm muting.

Honestly if your struggling with this you may be getting ahead of yourself by learning sweep picking. Try the other basic scale lessons and legato lessons first if you havent already. In my opinion you should be fairly comfortable with cancelling all the extra noise long before you consider sweep picking.

Just my 2 cents.
Title: Re: RO-004 • Mini Sweep Picking Arpeggios
Post by: gumslinger on September 04, 2011, 10:31:23 am
@ eternally_gutted

ok i know these questions r directed at justin but if i feel i can help, why not chime in, right?

Anyway i had the same issue at first. Just gotta do it slow so that the notes are coming out evenly timed, not the picking.

 You r correct though, there is a slight irregularity in the sweeping speed because of the hammers and pulls, but as u work on sweeps like this your hand will get used to it. with diligent practice on a metronome it will start to feel natural.



Title: Re: RO-004 • Mini Sweep Picking Arpeggios
Post by: NeilMack on December 27, 2012, 06:25:57 pm
Hello,

This lesson obviously has a great deal to do with speed, but I can't get fast enough to perform this technique the way it should be played (not necessarily SHOULD but you know what I mean). How do I speed it up? The lesson says to slow it down first and then speed it up when I feel comfortable (this is also stressed through out the website regarding speed) but it seems as though no matter how much I play this slowly, I can never get it to the speed I want it. Help please? Thank you in advance.
Title: Re: RO-004 • Mini Sweep Picking Arpeggios
Post by: Dr Winterbourne on December 27, 2012, 06:53:47 pm
I have not mastered this particular technique by any means, but with other licks and scales and arpeggios the way that has worked for me has always been to play it slowly and perfectly to a metronome and bump up the speed slowly.
Title: Re: RO-004 • Mini Sweep Picking Arpeggios
Post by: Jonny5 on January 05, 2013, 03:55:44 pm
I had a go at this lesson a while back and managed to get the first little pattern down, so by no means an expert, but I may be able to offer some advice.

Justin does say in the video that at some point you just have to go for it. When playing slowly you're effectively doing a rest stroke with your pick, which feels quite different from the fluid motion you're going for. Firstly I would think you probably haven't played it slowly for THAT long, right? I mean realistically you're going to want to, once you have the pattern and timing down, work with the metronome slowly (say 8ths at 100-120bpm) for 10mins a day for a week at least. Try not to touch that metronome. Being able to play it X amount of times without mistakes doesn't mean you have it in muscle memory, it just means you can remember it. You still have to think about it which ultimately will limit you, so don't be tempted to think you have it well enough to increase speed. After that week or so start adding in bursts where you play 16th notes. At 120bpm ish it will start to sound suspiciously like a sweep. Gradually add more bursts until that's all you're doing and start to increase the speed as far as is comfortable. After that try moving to a different position, say an Eminor7 arpeggio, and work back and forth. Now it starts to sound cool. At that point I recorded a simple backing track going from Am to Em and started trying to work it in with other licks. That's as far as I got, hopefully a similar approach could work for you :)
Title: Re: RO-004 • Mini Sweep Picking Arpeggios
Post by: shadowscott007 on August 30, 2014, 03:43:47 pm
Been playing with this.  My big problem is making the sweep smooth.  This is exacerbated by the fact that the picked notes are interrupted by the hammers and pulls.  So the picking hand has to hesitate or slow down to allow the hammer or pull to take place.  That hoses my smooth sweep, it's like I have to stop to wait for the unpacked notes to happen.

Not sure how to deal with that.  Any insights?

Shadow
Title: Re: RO-004 • Mini Sweep Picking Arpeggios
Post by: Bob Furgenburg on August 31, 2014, 11:13:10 am
Your not sweeping 3 strings in this, only 2

I haven't seen how Justin teaches this, but I would do it this way. I am assuming it's eighth notes.

Pick 12 hammer on to 14, pick has slight rest between G and B strings then sweep through 13 on B and 12 on E. Just practice that part over and over till smooth. All down strokes.

Now pick 15 on E string with upstroke, pull off to 12, pick has slight rest between E and B string, then sweep through 13 on B and 14 on G. Just do this half over and over till smooth. All up strokes.

Then join together. The hard part is finding the right muting technique to stop string noise. Use your neck pickup for a smoother sound.