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Title: What to learn next? Should I move to the next stage? etc etc.
Post by: close2u on January 19, 2009, 11:43:27 am
Questions ...

:)
Title: Re: What to learn next? Should I move to the next stage? etc etc.
Post by: Andy Tighe on August 09, 2009, 11:25:21 am
I was just wondering how long (on average) would people recommend beginners spend on each stage. I am looking at Justin's new beginner's course (BC 101 etc.). I believe 9-10 lessons make up a stage so BC 111 - BC 119 make up stage 1 (learning D, A and E chords).

I know there won't be one answer fits all as everyone learns at a different pace but I want to give myself targets before looking at the next stage. I know how to play the D,A and E chords but haven't got the speed to change chords accurately yet so feel I am not particularly ready for the next bunch (though I have had a sneak preview and can place my fingers on Dm, Am and Em). I also am still finding it difficult to strum and change at the same time... sorry, only a bloke so can't yet do two things at once.

Brilliant lessons. Justin should show off his skills a bit more though and play through whole songs every now and then. Do the odd request maybe - although I understand he is very busy.
Title: Re: What to learn next? Should I move to the next stage? etc etc.
Post by: foot on August 09, 2009, 09:26:50 pm
Wait until you pretty much master one set of skills before moving on to the next. If you forge ahead at a breakneck pace, you'll be able to play a little of this, and a little bit of that, however, you won't be a solid player. Believe me, when I first picked up a guitar when I was a kid, I wanted to be an overnight Hendrix or Clapton. It didn't take long to figure out that it doesn't work like that.

Good luck,

Foot
Title: Re: What to learn next? Should I move to the next stage? etc etc.
Post by: charlieguitars on August 09, 2009, 10:37:47 pm
If you have to ask, chances are your not ready.  If you can't do chord changes and strum at the same time then you there really is no point because you can't play them anyway.  Work on it til it is easy.  I mean really easy.  Like you can do it without looking and and without thinking about it.  That's when you move on.
Title: Re: What to learn next? Should I move to the next stage? etc etc.
Post by: The Gunner on August 10, 2009, 12:28:31 am
Many beginners become bored from the routine starting out. The reason is because they understand the concept early on, but have to wait on muscle memory and dexterity to develop for some consistency.
I personally believe that it's perfectly alright to dabble around a bit as a beginner, in order to stimulate the mind and for motivation. It takes time to develop the necessary skills for advancement. Some beginners tend to  "burn out" when they don't have something to compare by as a new challenge. Those who want to succeed will find the motivation and continue through the basics in order to advance.   
Title: Re: What to learn next? Should I move to the next stage? etc etc.
Post by: hughesa1 on July 10, 2011, 10:56:11 pm
I am at stage 2 and been doing it for 2 months, at least half an hour per day, though I would say I have had about 2 weeks of days where I did not practice at all. Am I slow?
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Post by: Mouserjan on July 10, 2011, 11:14:07 pm
I am at stage 2 and been doing it for 2 months, at least half an hour per day, though I would say I have had about 2 weeks of days where I did not practice at all. Am I slow?


That's about how long it took me. Approx 1 month per stage, although as the stages got harder and I got way busier it's taken longer. I got hung up on stage 6 awful F as it I call it. for quite awhile. It's not a race take as long as you need to get comfortable with each stage.
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Post by: tmcd35 on July 11, 2011, 08:46:12 pm
I'm now at stage 9 and have been going at a roughly 1 stage per week (practising daily).  The last couple of stages have taken a fortnight each.  I think though the lessons have been consolidating what I already knew but hadn't really learned properly of the past 20-odd years.

I think my progress is going to slow down a bit from in on out.  Looking forward to the Beginners Songbook to help put everything I've learned in to practise :D
Title: Re: What to learn next? Should I move to the next stage? etc etc.
Post by: squatter on December 20, 2011, 09:27:15 am
Hi, bit of a bump, but I just signed up to ask in here because I'm very curious.

I'm currently on stage 9 and almost 3 months in.  I'm about half way through all the chord changes.

Anyone else on stage 9 or have completed it?

How long did it take you/How long have you been doing it for so far?

Cheers.
Title: Re: What to learn next? Should I move to the next stage? etc etc.
Post by: komani86 on December 20, 2011, 02:24:52 pm
@squatter: I skipped the BC and went straight into IM (I was learning myself before I found justin) and in the end I mixed the IM with the BC. Some people progress relatively fast, others dont.

It took me to complete IM (+BC stuff that I wanted to learn) about 6 months, but I practiced every day, MADE time to practice and didnt have alot of issues with sore fingers, blisters (just a bit hehe) or grips. It all just happened for me on the acoustic and on the electric its so friggin' easy now. 

I dont miss alot of days practicing now, even if its only for 15 minutes doing speed training and finger dexterity. every bit helps ;)

Oh and, the 4-5months I was playing before was NOTHING compared to the progress I made with the IM/BC course of Justin 6 months after that. If I only knew from the start.

I'm still a beginner though :-*
Title: Re: What to learn next? Should I move to the next stage? etc etc.
Post by: Devster on January 19, 2013, 02:24:52 pm
I bought myself a guitar about year ago and have been playing consistently for about 7 months.
I started by picking sings I liked and went from there.

However I started to plateau quickly and after watching some of the beginners videos I have realised that I have picked up some seriously bad habits.

Starting from the beginning sucks, but I hope that this is the best way forward.
Thank you Justin for your excellent explanations and showing me the do's and don'ts
Title: Re: What to learn next? Should I move to the next stage? etc etc.
Post by: Seapriestess on February 12, 2013, 08:57:28 pm
I started lessons and have had 10 now but watching the video's on here I realise how bad my finger positioning was, so yes I think the best thing to do is go back to the beginning and develop a good technique and practise practise practise!  ;D
Title: Re: What to learn next? Should I move to the next stage? etc etc.
Post by: jacksroadhouse on February 13, 2013, 07:38:12 am
I agree, it's a good way to go. The good news: all the things you really know will go by quickly, and you'll find out the things that you just think you know. So go for it! :)
Title: Re: What to learn next? Should I move to the next stage? etc etc.
Post by: justinguitar on February 13, 2013, 07:59:14 am
Starting from the beginning is the best place to start ;)

Getting rid of bad habbits can be tricky but stick with it and you'll be happier in the long run.

Good luck!
Title: Re: What to learn next? Should I move to the next stage? etc etc.
Post by: annie mitchel on February 24, 2013, 12:05:57 am
Hi all,
As a very newbie, newbie, I wonder if it would be worth telling us what the bad habits are then we can make extra sure we don't do them. I know I tend to slouch over the guitar sometimes so I know that's a bad a habit - 'cos Justin said.
Title: Re: What to learn next? Should I move to the next stage? etc etc.
Post by: lynchy on April 13, 2013, 12:00:34 pm
Hi to all,

I have been playing the guitar for about 4 weeks. I am working through stage 1 of the beginers course which is going pretty well. I can play 3 of the songs from there now quite well but not perfectly. Sometimes i miss chord changes or they sounds a bit twangy! I am not sure whether i should keep going over it again and again or try stage 2? Any ideas please...
Title: Re: What to learn next? Should I move to the next stage? etc etc.
Post by: Drubbing on April 13, 2013, 01:07:42 pm
You're aiming for competency in each stage, not perfection. Move on.
Title: Re: What to learn next? Should I move to the next stage? etc etc.
Post by: sophiehiker on April 13, 2013, 01:29:04 pm
@Drubbing's right.

Also, remember at the bottom of each stage's Practice Schedule lesson is a list of guidelines to help you decide whether to move on.  Take a look at the bottom of this web page.

http://www.justinguitar.com/en/BC-119-PRACTICEstage1.php (http://www.justinguitar.com/en/BC-119-PRACTICEstage1.php)
Title: Re: What to learn next? Should I move to the next stage? etc etc.
Post by: GuitarDiva on May 20, 2013, 02:04:42 pm
I have been playing on and off for years, and started Justin's beginners course today, I don't think I have many bad habits lol, apart from using my thumb more than I should do when I pick .... I am trying really hard to stop using my thumb quite so much
Title: Re: What to learn next? Should I move to the next stage? etc etc.
Post by: misterg on May 20, 2013, 04:49:45 pm
I'm sure there are LOTS, but for me, the #1 thing is:

NEVER STOP STRUMMING

That's why Justin teaches the chords first, but holds off starting on strumming & songs until your chord changes are somewhat fluent, so you don't divert all your attention to the chord changes and allow your right hand to stop. It's a difficult habit to break - I know- been there, done that!

Best advice: Follow the course :)
Title: Re: What to learn next? Should I move to the next stage? etc etc.
Post by: FancyCloth on May 23, 2013, 08:28:44 am
 I am not sure whether i should keep going over it again and again or try stage 2
Title: Re: What to learn next? Should I move to the next stage? etc etc.
Post by: Lucina on June 24, 2013, 05:35:38 pm
I'm a guitar returner - ie I played years ago (not brilliantly but adequately - at least I thought so at the time), had a long, long gap, now I'm learning all over again.

I'm already familiar with the chords in the early stages, getting 60 to 80 changes per minute in stages 2 and 3. So theoretically, I should be able to move through the early stages fairly quickly.  But I find I'm rubbish at the J.U.S.T.I.N. Sound Recognition parts, especially recognising the chord progressions.  There is some improvement in recognising major and minor chords but the rest of the sound recognition is still very hard for me.

Should I get the J.U.S.T.I.N. sound part right in each stage before I move on?  If so, it's going to really hold me back. Or do I just practise that part while I move on and hope it gets better?

And am I the only one who gets in a total muddle trying to manipulate my guitar, a pad and pencil and stop/start/pausing my laptop (with itunes) at the same time?
Title: Re: What to learn next? Should I move to the next stage? etc etc.
Post by: Joerfe on June 24, 2013, 05:46:54 pm
I have chosen to skip the JUSTIN training as well, at least for now. I figure it's something that I can always return to later on. For now I have plenty material playing the songs in the Beginners Songbook and the Acoustic Songbook. I also believe that the songs I play now will benefit my JUSTIN training later.
Title: Re: What to learn next? Should I move to the next stage? etc etc.
Post by: Guitar_noob on June 24, 2013, 06:03:11 pm
I have chosen to skip the JUSTIN training as well, at least for now. I figure it's something that I can always return to later on. For now I have plenty material playing the songs in the Beginners Songbook and the Acoustic Songbook. I also believe that the songs I play now will benefit my JUSTIN training later.
That's what I did too. I always thought : "well, let's get good at guitar first".

Turned out I regret it now. Doing a few minutes of J.U.S.T.I.N while practicing every day opens your ears. Now that I do feel that I need to be able to transcribe to get really better, I realize that I've wasted some precious time not doing it in the first place...

I'd say, stick to the plan ;).

... that being said, don't let it stop you completely from getting to the next lessons... but it's worth a shot.
Title: Re: What to learn next? Should I move to the next stage? etc etc.
Post by: Lucina on June 24, 2013, 07:09:16 pm
Oh, I didn't mean to skip the J.U.S.T.I.N. bit altogether - it's made me realise how lacking I am on that side of things.  I just meant do I need to get all the sound recognition parts right on each stage before moving to the next one? Or do I have a go each time and accept that I'm not much good at that aspect yet but will hopefully improve?

The book doesn't really make it clear whether you're expected to perfect that part each time or not.
Title: Re: What to learn next? Should I move to the next stage? etc etc.
Post by: misterg on June 24, 2013, 07:16:32 pm
Should I get the J.U.S.T.I.N. sound part right in each stage before I move on?  If so, it's going to really hold me back. Or do I just practise that part while I move on and hope it gets better?

I would say move on, but keep practicing the JUSTIN stuff, rather than skipping it. I personally don't think of the JUSTIN training as a pass/fail thing, more as an incentive to listen carefully, both to the exercises and music in general. As your playing develops, I think you'll find it easier to recognise chords and chord sequences.

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And am I the only one who gets in a total muddle trying to manipulate my guitar, a pad and pencil and stop/start/pausing my laptop (with itunes) at the same time?

No!  ;D

{typed while you were posting, but hopefully answers your point!}
Title: Re: What to learn next? Should I move to the next stage? etc etc.
Post by: Lucina on June 26, 2013, 12:09:34 pm
Thanks for the help, everyone - I'm much encouraged as the sound recognition was getting me down.  I will keep plugging at it though.

I've now moved on to stage 4, and they're chords I've always found a bit more challenging. Hopefully the one-minute changes will help iron out the problems. This is a great course!
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Post by: Blaze on July 19, 2013, 03:38:18 pm
Hey all, newbie here~  :)

Anyway, I've been going through the Beginner's Course (great so far!) but I've noticed as I've went on my scores in the J.U.S.T.I.N training have just got gradually worse. During Stage 1 & 2 I was generally scoring 95% plus overall, however now I've reached Stage 5 and I'm looking at around 60-70%.   :-\

I'm fine with the chord changes and have learnt four songs from the Songbook for Stage 5, but I'm not sure whether I should move on due to the aural side of things not being as good.  ??? All advice is appreciated~
Title: Re: What to learn next? Should I move to the next stage? etc etc.
Post by: deerpark1951 on August 08, 2013, 03:20:19 am
I am a beginner and have reached stage 6.  I can spend  30 minutes on the J.U.S.T.I.N. training and single  chords and chord quality I nail but the CPR is killing me!  I feel like I should be picking up the guitar practicing and not trying so hard to listen.
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Post by: jnb on August 08, 2013, 03:25:52 pm
@ Lucina

Same here. I found the problem is that I could go through the recorded exercises and nail them spot on recognising chord sequences without any problems but there's only a few exercises like that and, like sight reading, once you've gone through it once correctly there's no point in revisiting it. On the other hand try and apply the same exercises to a real song with all the additional instrumentation and voices and I find it nearly impossible. In the end I moved into a lot of solo and classical guitar where chords are less dominant and picking out a melody and counterpoint are more relevant which I can do but unfortunately I'd like to be able to do more of that "busking with three chords and pick up from four bars or someone else playing" style of music. I can improvise around any number of chord sequences and scales but spontaneously picking up someone elses tune escapes me.

And am I the only one who gets in a total muddle trying to manipulate my guitar, a pad and pencil and stop/start/pausing my laptop (with itunes) at the same time?

You've got toes haven't you?  :D
Title: Re: What to learn next? Should I move to the next stage? etc etc.
Post by: Todd S. on August 08, 2013, 05:15:05 pm
I'm not even a full week into the beginner coarse.  Getting better at the chords and 1 minute changes, up to 20 this morning. 

I tried the J.u.s.t.i.n. for the first time today.  They all sound the same to me.  I'm hoping it is something I'll be able to develop but it has me a bit concerned, can you be music deaf? 

I think I can tell A from D from E when I play them but listening to it through the computer was hard.  Maybe I need to crank the volume. 
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Post by: stitch101 on August 08, 2013, 05:27:06 pm
It will take some time for your ears to learn each sound. Keep practicing and listening and it will come.

To help develop your ears really listen to the chords when you play them. Close your eyes so you hear
then with out seeing them.
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Post by: mouser9169 on August 08, 2013, 07:32:43 pm
I think I can tell A from D from E when I play them but listening to it through the computer was hard.  Maybe I need to crank the volume.

If you're talking about just hearing a single chord played - most people can't tell what chord (or note) it is. Those who can have what is called 'perfect pitch'. That's something you're born with; it can't be learned.

What you can do is learn 'relative pitch'. That's where you hear the first chord and you know it's A. Then you can tell what the next chord is by how much higher or lower it is than the A chord. Or even if you don't know what the first chord is, if you call that the I chord, you'll be able to figure out the progression, even if you're not sure what key the song is in.

Note: if the E, A, and D chords are played with 6, 5, and 4 strings respectively - that would be something your ear could pick up on - but that's not the same thing as hearing and knowing the notes.
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Post by: bradt on August 09, 2013, 11:04:20 pm
I tried the J.u.s.t.i.n. for the first time today.  They all sound the same to me.  I'm hoping it is something I'll be able to develop but it has me a bit concerned, can you be music deaf?   

A lot of stuff sounds the same at first. Once you've played the chords over and over a lot, they start to stand out more. You start to pick out the small differences in them, and begin to be able to tell them apart. Just pay attention to what they sound like when you play, and really listen. You'll get it without even realizing you have.
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Post by: Blaze on August 11, 2013, 06:12:58 pm
Bleh, whatever I do, I can't seem to tell the difference between Em and E major.  I can whilst playing the guitar, as E major definitely has a far fuller sound, but through the computer they sound identical to me. :-\
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Post by: rfriday on August 12, 2013, 04:51:32 pm
Bleh, whatever I do, I can't seem to tell the difference between Em and E major.  I can whilst playing the guitar, as E major definitely has a far fuller sound, but through the computer they sound identical to me. :-\
I'm currently having the exact same issue with C and Am.  Hopefully it will come with time, but I'm afraid..like you..that they just don't sound different enough through the computer.
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Post by: MonkeyMark on September 28, 2013, 11:12:26 pm
There's no point asking how long it takes to complete the beginners course as everyone is different, learns as different speeds and some practice hours each day whilst others can only fit in 10 mins.

So instead I thought, out of curiosity, for total beginners, roughly how long did YOU take to complete the course or each stage in hours?
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Post by: FChris on September 28, 2013, 11:26:38 pm
Well, for me BC was about 3-4 month, with half an hour solid practice a day, 5 to 6 days a week. Ever since I am working on Intermediate Foundation with less solid practice
Title: Re: What to learn next? Should I move to the next stage? etc etc.
Post by: TheCasual on September 29, 2013, 12:51:57 am
I'm up to consolidating the BC and been on since the 9th of January this year. I suspect I'll be finished in the couple of weeks.

I think a month a stage is a good amount time on each stage.
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Post by: black_devils on September 29, 2013, 01:32:05 am
There's no point in rushing through the course I would say 9 months to finish the whole course. People that rush through the basics never really get far..
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Post by: TheReplicant on September 29, 2013, 10:42:38 am
Started the Beginner's Course at the beginning of August last year and finished it by the end of January this year. So, 6 months. However, I did spend a month consolidating the course as I was doing Justin's Strumming DVD, so 7 months overall.

I think went straight on to the Intermediate Course at the end of February and consolidating that now so 7 months for the IC too. I did the Music Theory .pdf while doing the IC.

I practice 1-2 hours a day everyday (apart from the odd day off when I moved house or had to work late).

I'm finishing up my consolidating of the IC this week and then moving onto the Blues Rhythm DVD.

Before August last year I'd never played an instrument in my life before.
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Post by: asura on September 29, 2013, 02:43:32 pm
It's hard for me to give an accurate value, especially for the average time per day.
I believe it took ca. 1.5 years with 1 hour practise a day.
If I think on some songs maybe 2 years comes closer.

Probably a good chance to be the slowest, but I started with guitar because I thought (and still think) it is the hardest instrument for me to learn. At least I can be sure never to run out of exercises for the rest of this life :)
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Post by: Joerfe on September 29, 2013, 04:56:15 pm
Around 6 months for me, from February to July. I've been playing (very) little some 25 years ago and the last three years I have played the piano. Maybe that is why I have moved a little faster than others.
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Post by: bradt on September 29, 2013, 06:39:28 pm
It took me just over a year of not so regular practice to get through the BC. I still go back and brush up on it from time to time.

The hardest part is the first 6 months or so of getting the hang of it. Once I got to where I could play a few chords, and was able to play along with a few songs, the learning started getting faster. Now that I am able to play more, I feel like I am making more progress in a month than I did in the first 4.
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Post by: mike42 on September 30, 2013, 05:11:43 pm
The course took me about a year to get through, but that was also the old beginner's course so I don't know if the updated one would've taken more or less time.

However, I still go back to some of the lessons to review them and improve on some of the techniques. I've been playing about 5 and a half years on and off, and it's really a never ending learning experience.

Like others have said, be sure you don't rush any of the lessons. Building a strong foundation will benefit you immensely in the long run, and even though it will take longer at first it'll save you time when you move on to more complex techniques.
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Post by: Fozjg on September 30, 2013, 06:28:19 pm
I think I worked through the 9 stages in about 10 months and around 280 hours. Roughly 1 hour of practice on average a day.  Keep in mind I did say "worked through" I certainly hadn't mastered it at all. The unfortunate part is that I'm still at the level as I haven't put any focused practice in since then. I know people say don't worry about the time just enjoy the process but it's nice to know if you put the time in you will reap the benefits.
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Post by: JulieSun on October 02, 2013, 11:57:18 am
Hello Blaze!

Have a warm welcome and cool that you're starting to play!
I'm much of a beginner myself really so I can only give you as much advice that I learned from others..

First of all, I haven't gotten that far in the book yet, but listening is really important, though your scores decreasing in percentage by the time you progress in the book makes sense.

The lessons are designed to work up your level gradually, learning is going gradually aswell... don't mind that. It's looking good so far :)

If you feel like you are ready to proceed, just proceed. But if you're noticing you're having any complications because you moved onto the next stage, just take a step back and practise some more from the earlier stages, or take it slowly in the new stage. I personally don't think it's bad to look at higher level stages when you're still beginner.

For me it's motivating to listen and watch those lessons, knowing that I am not ready for them. It drives me to work on those things I find boring or that seem too repetitive. It also gives me a hint of why I have to learn other skills first if the material is too difficult, whenever I am that stubborn to still try them out.

Overall, keep on repeating the previous stages/exercises and playing songs from there, it will help you improve so I'd recommend to not stop doing them!! (even if they seem too easy for you)

Transcribing songs is also very good for your aural skills, you might want to look up that section on the site aswell. Might help you improve double time!

http://www.justinguitar.com/en/TR-000-Transcribing.php (http://www.justinguitar.com/en/TR-000-Transcribing.php)

Hope this helps you making your mind up.

Best of luck!

JS
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Post by: Neverendr on October 04, 2013, 10:15:17 am
I haven't gone through the courses,  though I have learned a few songs, very easily due to the excellent instruction, I might add.   I've been playing for a very long time, 25-ish years,  and I can honestly tell you that I *still* learn something new on a weekly basis.  That's one of the great things about guitar - you can learn a little and play a lot of songs,  you can learn a ton and play a lot more songs,  but it seems that one never stops learning!

For reference, just to compare my time against Justin's courses,  I'm sure it took me a LOT longer.  Probably 18 months of lessons to get to the point that I knew enough to be comfortable playing in front of people.  At least 3 or 4 years before I would have dared to call myself "advanced".  Granted, this was before the internet. :)
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Post by: Majik on October 04, 2013, 02:57:03 pm
It's worth noting that not everyone starts the BC as a total beginner. A huge problem for total beginners is getting control of the fingers in their fretting hand.

There's plenty of people who come to Justin's courses having a basic level of guitar experience. For my own part, I started playing guitar in my 40s having briefly been taught classical guitar for about 6 months at the age of 10, and having picked up and messed with other people's guitars very occasionally in the intervening period.

I was surprised how much I remembered, and many of the fretting hand movements and the muscle control were still there. I have seen others starting guitar for the first time, and even fretting very basic chords is a massive challenge, and they are often frustrated by the lack of control they have over their fingers; it's almost as if their hand doesn't belong to them.

I think we all experience that occasionally even with a lot of experience; a new chord will come along with a challenging fingering and, somehow one finger refuses to obey simple instructions!

But I think someone with even quite a small amount of guitar playing history will have a significant advantage over someone who hasn't. I reckon this could make the difference of 10-20 hours.

Cheers,

Keith
Title: Re: What to learn next? Should I move to the next stage? etc etc.
Post by: grebber on November 04, 2013, 02:25:16 am
Hi there.
I'm on stage 1 of the beginners course and so far I'm pretty happy with working on the 3 chords thats in it.
being that i have only been doing it for just under a week i still have problems going from one chord to the next but its going ok. working on 2 songs as well and i have my good days and bad days with them. obviously when i can change chords better they will be better as well
anyways im curious how long you have stayed on each stage.
seems like the this course suggests the beginners course last around 1 year. give or take a few months depending on each persons abilities. going with a year that means i should be in stage 1 for a month or more. thinking of it this way i dont feel so bad that i feel im going slow. my mind understands whats going on but the hands still are slow and stubborn. being new i understand tho.
so how long about was it for you going through your stages.
thanks
grebber
Title: Re: What to learn next? Should I move to the next stage? etc etc.
Post by: black_devils on November 04, 2013, 02:49:56 am
Well, Grebber it varies on how much songs in a stage I want to learn before I move on, and how much of a firm understanding I have with the stage. Also, Grebber do not rush! Trust me on this I rushed through the beginners course, and only learned the chords I never really paid any attention to the other things in it. I had to suffer from this mistake. Well not really but I had to go back and review every single stage till  I understood what was going on, with rhythms and everything. Look all i'm saying is do not rush without a good understanding of the basics then you will not go far just take your time on each stage Learn at least 2-3 songs a stage. Trust me on, this learning songs really helps with your technique timing pretty much everything and it also builds your song repertoire. And, when you get deeper in the stages you can just go back and modify the song to your liking maybe with the chuck a chucka rhythm or different strumming patterns, anything pretty much. Just take your time it's not a race, and it's also like a mountain climb, marathon it's about perseverance, patience dude there's no rush. By the way i'm 11 months into my guitar journey, and i'm only on stage 5 lol i'm very close to moving to stage 6, but I really want to get the folsom blues to a good standard before I move on. I start reviewing the beginner course on my 7th month if I can remember correctly so I'd say it took me about a good 3 months to get to stage 5.
Title: Re: What to learn next? Should I move to the next stage? etc etc.
Post by: countryguy87 on November 04, 2013, 03:16:48 am
I believe it's important to get a good grasp of everything Justin has in the begginers course, I also believe that there are people out there who benefit from other methods of learning as well.  The most important part in my opinion is staying interested every day and having fun, do things around the course which incorporate that (learning songs YOU like is a big part of that).
Title: Re: What to learn next? Should I move to the next stage? etc etc.
Post by: Curlyfeet on November 11, 2013, 09:54:44 pm
I've read posts on here where people report they have done the whole beginners course in 3 months, I'm at the other end of the scale as I'm on stage 7 after 16 months.

I think it really is an everyone's different/how long is a piece of string course  :)
Title: Re: What to learn next? Should I move to the next stage? etc etc.
Post by: TheReplicant on November 11, 2013, 10:29:35 pm
I've read posts on here where people report they have done the whole beginners course in 3 months, I'm at the other end of the scale as I'm on stage 7 after 16 months.

I think it really is an everyone's different/how long is a piece of string course  :)

Remember that some people may have had lessons when they were a kid and may not have played for a while. A lot will come back to them pretty quickly and they may go through the initial stages of the course pretty quickly. Some people may be able to fit in an hour's practice a day, every day, and some only 20 mins 3 times a week.

Near the end of Justin's Beginner's Course book, he has the tab for the Xmas song, 'Silent Night' and says that the song is a good goal to be able to achieve 'within a year'. Implying that the Beginner's Course is designed to be a 12 month course, there or thereabouts, practicing between 20 and 50 mins a day. I suppose that's an average based on his years of teaching but it's not set in stone.

Some people who see others take longer might look upon them as slow learners, while if they see someone finish the course quicker than they did they assume the person was rushing. Fact it, we're not all the same, physically or mentally and all have different circumstances so comparing to other people is probably a waste of time.
Title: Re: What to learn next? Should I move to the next stage? etc etc.
Post by: froggiebecky on December 07, 2013, 09:50:59 am
Hi Everyone!
I'm working my way through the course, correcting sloppy learning on my part, and filling in holes in my knowledge. I have a question. For those of you that went through the course, did you stay at stage 5 until you got all the open chord changes up to 60/min? or did you move on after you'd done a few (and otherwise had the lessons well in hand)? I was just thinking that I'd be hanging out at these songs for quite a while if I wait around to get those stray open chord changes up to 60. 
 
Title: Re: What to learn next? Should I move to the next stage? etc etc.
Post by: gareth51 on December 07, 2013, 12:07:31 pm
I keep a note of my one-minute changes in a spreadsheet and sort them from slowest to fastest.  As Justin says, only practice what you can't do not what you can do.  There is no point spending time on practising E to Em for example, which you can probably do at 120/min.  So I only practice the one-minute changes on the 5 slowest changes.  I suggest doing 5, as it probably gets a bit boring to do more than that in one session.  As you get better with those 5, then other changes will become  the slowest in your list and you can work on those.   I still do this routine if I come across difficult chord changes in a song.
Title: Re: What to learn next? Should I move to the next stage? etc etc.
Post by: Tim Mason on December 07, 2013, 12:59:10 pm
Like Gareth, I have a spread sheet. I work on ten changes in any one day : three that are near but not yet at 60, three that I can only do very slowly, and four that are somewhere in between but that are linked to one of the songs I'm working on. As they reach 60, they are crossed off and replaced by others.

In fact, I have recently slowed down on most of the changes. As my ears have got sharper, I notice errors that I did not notice before, and now I'm doing my best to go for zero mistakes, as I feel I was picking up bad habits by going too fast. I feel happier with the way I'm doing it now, even if it's taking far longer.
Title: Re: What to learn next? Should I move to the next stage? etc etc.
Post by: Bobke on December 07, 2013, 03:22:11 pm

Gareth51: Would you be so kind as to post the spreadsheet here, please?
I think it is a very good idea. Would like to use it too.
Thanks in advance!  :)
Title: Re: What to learn next? Should I move to the next stage? etc etc.
Post by: pipsickle on December 07, 2013, 04:22:52 pm
I'm on stage 5 now and am working to cross off all of the changes before moving on. However,  I've brought forward a couple of bits from stage 6 (f chord and old faithful strumming). I'm getting exponentially faster at crossing them off. It should only be a couple more weeks.  I hope to play for many years to comepso no issue to stay on this stage for a while.
Title: Re: What to learn next? Should I move to the next stage? etc etc.
Post by: froggiebecky on December 08, 2013, 12:13:41 am
This spreadsheet idea sounds like a good one. I've never gone through the entire chart and tried them all. My current plan involved starting with 1 that was giving me trouble in a song (E-B7), and then picking 4 others at random. When one gets to 60, cross it off and try another. I might sit down and do a batch of 10 tomorrow, just to see where they all are.

I like your idea, pip, of bringing the F chord forward. I've been playing a while, and pretty much have it already. I've been doing old faithful strumming for a while. Maybe I'll pull out some theory to keep me occupied while I"m also doing chord changes, so I can have something of a substantive lesson in 6… :)
Title: Re: What to learn next? Should I move to the next stage? etc etc.
Post by: froggiebecky on December 17, 2013, 03:37:25 pm
Since you asked about it Bob, here's the chord chart I put together for myself.

https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B2bz1UjXzPp_cU1FNTdZQXJ0QW8/edit

I've highlighted anything below 40 changes/min in red (to work on), anything in the 50s as yellow, and 60 or over in green. Helps me see at a glance what's sucking (Barre A), and what's pretty good (Em).  some are crap because I've never done that particular switch, and it's just a baseline. Interestingly, I find I'm also not as good in the morning as I am in the afternoon or evening, when my fingers and brain have warmed up a bit!

Title: Re: What to learn next? Should I move to the next stage? etc etc.
Post by: seek on June 26, 2014, 07:20:02 am
Hey all,

How long did it take you to complete the beginner course? What was your method?

I am probably a bit older than most of you (maybe not), 34 and picked up a guitar for the 1st time exactly 2 months ago (electric) and as soon as I got home typed "how to play guitar" or something similar into youtube and (luckily) clicked one of justins videos. Have basically been only doing his course exclusively. Outside of learning a few super easy intro riffs (la bamba, beat it, one, etc).

When I 1st started this course, I was going slow and attempting to master each stage. Then just started blowing through it since I felt the more my brain knew, the better. Right now at the middle of stage 8 (been chunka chunka'n it for the past couple days). Will probably finish stage 9 tomorrow or day after and then spend a considerable amount of time going back and learning the songs in the stages. I haven't looked at a song since stage 3. But I do practice random chord progressions that I think sound cool.

Have also been reading a bit about music theory on the side as of a few days ago.

My brain knows MUCH more than my fingers / hands at this point. Which is OK, since I have loads to practice.

I really don't follow his practice schedule, but basically do the same in my style of format.

Remember, I have only been playing for 2 months, and nobody in my circle of friends plays guitar. So any input would be great. Or if you want to share your story of how you have been learning, and how its been working for you.

Thanks!
Title: Re: What to learn next? Should I move to the next stage? etc etc.
Post by: Drubbing on June 26, 2014, 08:13:00 am
2 months for the whole BC is too quick. You need time to bed in the techniques and make the milestone targets, or trying to play songs with those techniques will be pointless, you won't be able to get through them. It takes as long as it takes, which is different for everyone, but no one can do it properly in 8 weeks.

I'd strongly suggest following Justin;s schedules and milestones til your own ability allows you to judge better.

I took 9 months, but took my time and practised every day for whatever time I had. I still think I'd have skipped too much taking 6 months.
Title: Re: What to learn next? Should I move to the next stage? etc etc.
Post by: Rossco01 on June 26, 2014, 08:15:19 am
Hi Seek and good to see you joining the community. 43 here and I've been playing since last November using Justin's course exclusively. I'm only on stage 6 but in all honesty I have been consolidating as I've gone along. I started out on Acoustic and have acquired an electric in the last month. I still do virtually all of my practice on Acoustic as I think it's the best way to make sure my playing really is tight. However the electric is more forgiving and I do like playing songs on that more than the acoustic.

I don't think there is any hard and fast rule for completing Justins course. There are plenty of bits in the lessons that suggests Justin sees it as about a 9 month course but you'll see plenty who do the course quickly (and consolidate after) and those that take significantly longer but are happy to do so because it suits them. Part of it I guess is down to your natural ability and how quickly you pick things up.

Playing songs IMHO is the acid test on how well you've progressed on the course. If you can put your techniques into practice and deliver a half decent attempt at a song(s) for that stage then you're going in the right direction at the right pace. I've been trying to do that and it's been a good indicator to me about when I need to practice more. That said it doesn't stop me looking ahead and learning bits and pieces of future lessons even if it's not part of my core practice.  Practice wise I tend to do virtually every day for about an hour mixing it between Justin's practice schedule and song practice.

Keep going and take a look in the "videos and audio of you playing" as there are some good posts there to give you a feel for how you yourself are progressing against others.
Title: Re: What to learn next? Should I move to the next stage? etc etc.
Post by: seek on June 26, 2014, 08:58:33 am
Oh, no doubt I won't be done with the course. I am sure I will be practicing those techniques for some time. Months, probably years.  Well until I can complete his "final exam" test at least.

Basically I just slammed myself with tons of material. And then can go back and perfect them.

I think a few of the things I came across early will surely help progress faster.
Title: Re: What to learn next? Should I move to the next stage? etc etc.
Post by: pipsickle on June 26, 2014, 09:25:37 am
Hi seek,

Welcome! We're roughly the same age.

I'm currently consolidating the beginner's course. I started in September last year while I was on maternity leave, so had quite a lot of time to practice when my baby was napping (1-2 hours per day). I followed Justin's practice schedule somewhat religiously, and if I got all the way through would start again ;) I finished the course at the end of January, so that was about 4 months. However, I think I was aided by the fact I have a bit of a musical background in that I played violin all the way through my childhood until I finished school and also played classical guitar for a couple of years in high school. So I think that may have given me a bit of a head start/some muscle memory etc. That said, since I've been back at work I have a lot less time to practice and I'm still a good few weeks off having finished my 10 songs up to a decent standard (I can do everything else in the consolidation list).

I post along with Rossco in the beginners songbook thread. I find recording myself and listening to the other beginners really inspiring - you should work on some songs and come join us :)
Title: Re: What to learn next? Should I move to the next stage? etc etc.
Post by: Tim Mason on June 26, 2014, 09:27:04 am
Your progress will depend on your aptitude and on the amount of time you spend working on the course. Also, you may find it useful to look ahead and see where you're going. This said, two months to breeze through to stage 8 does seem a little too fast. And if you think you can master a stage in two days, you may well be kidding yourself.

Look at the check lists at the end of each stage, and make sure that you are actually following Justin's script. He's put a lot of thought and experience into designing this course, he's seen lots of students. So although he may not be able to tailor the class to your specific needs, it's likely that keeping to the progression he has mapped out will do you more good than rushing ahead. There have been several people on this list who have admitted that they went through the Beginners' Course too quickly, and had to come back to do it again before they could really follow the Intermediate Course.

I've been on the BC since October, and I'm looking at stage 8, while continually consolidating what went before. I doubt I'll feel ready to go on to the next course until the end of this year or the beginning of next. Given I'm twice your age, I've got good reasons to want to move fast!
Title: Re: What to learn next? Should I move to the next stage? etc etc.
Post by: xland on June 26, 2014, 09:49:28 am
Hi Seek, welcome to the forum.  I started just shy of 2 months ago and I just started Stage 3 this week.  So basically I am giving myself about one month per stage to become comfortable with all of the new material.  I could probably move ahead a little quicker but it's by choice that I spend time becoming as proficient as I can with the new chords and chord changes.  It's not until I feel that I have met all of Justin's criteria for moving to the next stage that I actually move on. 

I practice 30-60 minutes per day during the work week and usually 60+ minutes/day on the weekends when I have more time.  Everybody learns at a different pace and I really struggled mightily when I first started but things have become a little easier to learn as the days and weeks have passed.  That doesn't mean that I am remotely "good" at the new material but it does come easier for me to play the new chords, and it's probably due to my fingers becoming a little more used to the odd positions and shapes that I am now asking them to do that I never did before, and I am 45 years old.  It was really, really foreign to me to have my fingers try and make the shape of the A, E and D chords, use my finger tips to push the strings down and of course just getting used to the soreness of my fingers that came with just learning to play on a steel string guitar.

I don't necessarily follow Justin's practice routine religiously, he allows you to make a determination of which chord progressions you should work on so I will change that up a bit at times to work on the chords and chord progressions that give me the most trouble (D chord).

Anyway, I look at it as it is not a race, it's a marathon and I don't have a specific date that I need to be able to play complicated songs or anything.  So I take my time and although it can get a little boring at times to do the same thing over and over and over again I do find that I am rewarded when I can make those chord changes well and do it at a decent pace, it's very gratifying to see that I am improving. 

Two months ago I NEVER thought that I'd be able to do what I can now.  Again, I have a lot to learn and I am far from being a good guitar player but there is little doubt that by taking my time I have made progress by leaps and bounds from where I was when I began.

Good luck and enjoy the journey!!
Title: Re: What to learn next? Should I move to the next stage? etc etc.
Post by: de_conne on June 26, 2014, 10:48:02 am
Hi Seek,

Interesting topic here.  8)

I started the BC mid January 2014 and finished the BC end of may. I think it took me 5 months (I have some guitar background), but I learned a lot of the Beginners Songs as I went on and recorded them like many of the people posting here. Since then I am consolidating, doing some Stage 9 songs, till I feel ready to move to the more advanced course.

I totally agree with everyone. You should post recordings of your progress on the forum. Gives you really an Idea of where you stand. And let's be honest, after 2 months in you haven't finished the course. You just have finished watching all of Justin's video's  8).

After all, why are you learning guitar? To play music.

Grtz!
de_conne
Title: Re: What to learn next? Should I move to the next stage? etc etc.
Post by: TheCasual on June 26, 2014, 11:22:37 am
I started the BC in early January 2013(See sig) Having never even picked up a instrument.

It took me until about early October to consolidate the BC, so 10 months.

I then messed around for 3 months and learnt before I started the Intermediate Course on NYD. I'm currently on stage 4.
Title: Re: What to learn next? Should I move to the next stage? etc etc.
Post by: TB-AV on June 26, 2014, 01:47:33 pm
It's not how fast you do it.... it's how well you do it.

Evey day you can make a chord or a note play more smoothly, with less effort and with better sound quality you are basically perfecting the beginner course.


Title: Re: What to learn next? Should I move to the next stage? etc etc.
Post by: Tim Mason on June 26, 2014, 02:18:17 pm
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Evey day you can make a chord or a note play more smoothly, with less effort and with better sound quality

http://www.justinguitar.com/en/EX-003-QualityNotes.php (http://www.justinguitar.com/en/EX-003-QualityNotes.php)
Title: Re: What to learn next? Should I move to the next stage? etc etc.
Post by: deadeye_ag on June 26, 2014, 03:33:52 pm
Ok, so I'll be the slow poke here I guess. I started learning guitar from ground zero almost two years ago. I am STILL finishing Justin's Beginners course (stage 8/9 player). I have three small children so I have zero free time and squeeze in most of my practice in my car on lunch break 4 days a week. Since I don't really have a musical background I probably am taking longer than the rest to finish but I also want to make sure that I know it before proceeding.

Like Rossco, de_conne, etc. I've been posting some recordings and use it as the measuring stick for where I am.

Last night we had a beach bonfire and I managed to play and sing 10 songs so...I guess I can claim that :)

Just remember what your goals are and aim there. I would think for most of us is to play (and some of us sing) our favorite tunes. Some have much higher aspirations.  Saying you "finished" an online course and now you are a certified guitar player probably isn't what you are aiming for.
Title: Re: What to learn next? Should I move to the next stage? etc etc.
Post by: Macabre on June 26, 2014, 04:09:17 pm
I have been playing since December 2013. I did get up to Stage 7 but had about a month where I didn't have the motivation to start anything, and I wasn't doing the JUSTIN training exercises either. I spent 5 weeks just on the music theory side of things as I decided I wanted to pass the ABRSM Grade 5 music theory test (still awaiting my results!).
Last week I decided to start from scratch again and do the JUSTIN training. So I am currently back at stage 1! My aim is to finish the beginners course by the end of this year.
Title: Re: What to learn next? Should I move to the next stage? etc etc.
Post by: seek on June 26, 2014, 04:22:53 pm
I think you guys are overlooking, or misunderstanding the majority of my post.

I never did say I completed the course in 2 months. Yes, I will have watched all the videos in around a 2 month period. But not mastered. Far from it.

At which time I will go back and start working on his theory based songs.

I think everyone learns in their own way. And was wondering how everyone else was doing it. At the same time, I would think you would be really limiting yourself by playing a guitar every day for 4 months and having no clue what notes you are playing or why. Which is taught in stage 7. Or having a proper guitar setup which is taught in stage 6. Or knowing the pentatonic scale. But again, some of that theory could be too intense for a younger individual. So I do understand he had to make a program generalized for everyone. But that is exactly why I am learning on my own and not paying a teacher. I would rather learn what I what on my terms.

Another great example would be power cords. Power chords 1, 2 and shift should all be learned in the same go, or at least few days. Yet they are 3 stages apart.

But that is just how am going about it. Everyone has their own learning styles. And as we are basically teaching ourselves, that is exactly what I am doing :)

In reality at his song level, or checklists I am probably at stage 3ish at the 2 month mark. But know skills past stage 3. One last example would be the 12 bars blues and variations lessons. Great lessons. Super fun and cool to play. Even someone that picked up a guitar 2 weeks ago could learn those. Yet they are in the final 2 stages.

Finally, looking at his final "consolidation test". I would guess I am 6+ months away from. Learning songs is where all the learning occurs. At least for me. Breezing through all the beginner course videos will only give me a stronger foundation when I go back and learn his songs and / or other songs I want to learn.

Thanks for the input. I do have a good feeling that many people would have done it this way. While some following the course religiously. And was curious.

Once I can get a proper mic, will definitely get some songs up.

Thanks again.

Title: Re: What to learn next? Should I move to the next stage? etc etc.
Post by: Tim Mason on June 26, 2014, 06:34:30 pm
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When I 1st started this course, I was going slow and attempting to master each stage. Then just started blowing through it since I felt the more my brain knew, the better. Right now at the middle of stage 8 (been chunka chunka'n it for the past couple days). Will probably finish stage 9 tomorrow or day after and then spend a considerable amount of time going back and learning the songs in the stages. I haven't looked at a song since stage 3. But I do practice random chord progressions that I think sound cool.
Title: Re: What to learn next? Should I move to the next stage? etc etc.
Post by: Tim Mason on June 26, 2014, 06:45:58 pm
It's not a question of religion: it's a practical matter. If you over-reach, you'll mess up. That doesn't mean you can't think about what music is, about how the guitar works and so on. I was intrigued by the term CAGE, so I looked it up. And I read whatever TB-AV or Stitch have to say about it. And, yes, you can look at the theory of scales and so on. But you won't really feel what it's all about until you have the moves in your fingers.

Take the pentatonic scale if you will. I knew something about its importance for the guitarist, but I had no real understanding of its place in the music I listen to, the music I want to play. I've been working on it for about three months. With me, it's slow. Plodding. But I'm now just about getting to the place where I can almost hear music under my fingers.

A while back I was reading a music teacher's blog. She's also a neuroscientist. She reported on a study where it was found that learners whose primary aim is musicality progress much better than those who privilege technique. That sounds about right to me. You probably shouldn't move on from a specific skill until you can do it so someone would be happy to hear it.
Title: Re: What to learn next? Should I move to the next stage? etc etc.
Post by: mouser9169 on June 26, 2014, 07:39:49 pm
If I were going to use Justin's course as the basis for a curriculum to teach students, I'd tell them it would probably take between six months to a year for them to complete, depending on how serious they were and how much time they put in.

You're right that some things can be learned in different orders. Some very good blues based programs start with the 5/6 shuffle before you even learn chords. Theory can be taught in various places. What's important is that it all gets taught at some point, so you have a solid foundation to branch off from.
Title: Re: What to learn next? Should I move to the next stage? etc etc.
Post by: TheCasual on June 26, 2014, 08:55:49 pm
I did follow it almost to the letter.

I like structure and method and I learn best that way.
Title: Re: What to learn next? Should I move to the next stage? etc etc.
Post by: avadon on June 27, 2014, 11:46:14 am
After some months of playing, i knew what the whole begginer's course had, and almost what the intermediate course had, i think that i did it the same way as you did. I didn't play them smoothly, but i did know how to practice them. Maybe the reason that i did that was that i didn't want to sit in front of the pc to practice. I just want to grab my guitar and  i'll practice whatever comes to my mind and want to. I liked that, if you like it too, just do it :)
Title: Re: What to learn next? Should I move to the next stage? etc etc.
Post by: TheReplicant on June 27, 2014, 11:56:13 am
Personally can't see the point in rushing ahead, only to come back later to really master it.

Why not take things slower and get it right first time? I see no real benefit to doing it your way.

As for your question........I finished the BC in about 7 months, but I practiced maybe 2 hours a day, everyday which may account for the shorter period of learning.
Title: Re: What to learn next? Should I move to the next stage? etc etc.
Post by: black_devils on June 27, 2014, 05:08:10 pm
It took me 5 months to complete the beginners course, but that was because I had a structured practice schedule and I practiced 2 hours a day lol. Quality over quantity when it comes to practicing, and it seems like you're taking the quantity part to a whole other level trying to squeeze in as many things as you can.


 Unfortunately guitar playing doesn't work like that you are doing more harm to your learning than good it's better to just slow down, and understand a stage one by one instead of going through all stages you've only been playing for 2 months! Dude you're still at the early beginning stages you are just going to confuse yourself with all this information if I were you I'd go back to stage 1, and do it correctly.
Title: Re: What to learn next? Should I move to the next stage? etc etc.
Post by: sayworth on June 27, 2014, 07:05:47 pm
I asked this somewhere else, but  in a thread that hasn't been looked at in ages, and this seems a good place to ask....

I have a bit of background (piano) and previous tinkering around on the guitar... but I've just recently started the beginner course.

I was wondering at what point it is good to do ear training... or is there a point in the beginner lessons where Justin recommends it, and I haven't got that far yet?  Should I start practicing listening to intervals from the beginning, or wait until later?  When?

Thanks!
Title: Re: What to learn next? Should I move to the next stage? etc etc.
Post by: stitch101 on June 27, 2014, 08:11:42 pm
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I was wondering at what point it is good to do ear training... or is there a point in the beginner lessons where Justin recommends it, and I haven't got that far yet?  Should I start practicing listening to intervals from the beginning, or wait until later?  When?

The first lesson on ear training is lesson 118. The 8th lesson of stage one.
http://justinguitar.com/en/BC-118-JUSTINstage1.php

Justin also has a course for ear training but you may want to wait until you are further into the BC before
you start it.
http://justinguitar.com/en/ET-000-EarTraining.php
Title: Re: What to learn next? Should I move to the next stage? etc etc.
Post by: bradt on June 27, 2014, 08:28:47 pm
I think it probably took me around 8 months to finish the course, another few to get some songs suitably under my belt. I still don't consider it mastered, and revisit it from time to time.

I looked ahead some, just as I think we all did, but I followed the course for the most part. There were occassions where I played a chord ahead of its place, and I started working on strum patterns and scales a bit sooner than in the course. I moved ahead on the F chord before I had it down. I still stuck with it.

The way I see it is that this course was created using wisdom and experience gained over decades of playing and instructing. I suppose some may learn better from it than others, but for someone to have just picked up a guitar and think they have a better way seems a bit brash. Sometimes things are a certain way for a reason, and  sometimes it is wise to defer to those with more experience. Some of the things in the course may seem out of place, but when you start stacking the skills one on top of the other in the order presented, you start to see how they all fit together.
Title: Re: What to learn next? Should I move to the next stage? etc etc.
Post by: TheCasual on June 27, 2014, 11:37:14 pm
I didn't quite realise how much of foundation the BC is until I started the IM course

Take power chords for instance that greatly helps sliding barre chords around the neck.

You also learn open A barre chord which really helps with the A major barre chord.
Title: Re: What to learn next? Should I move to the next stage? etc etc.
Post by: Slurpee on June 28, 2014, 02:04:35 am
I started the bc in January and am now at stage 6. I see your point in looking ahead for background knowledge purpose, but if it comes down to the practical side of things, you should stick to the course imho.

A lot of the things you learn in the bc build on one another and it often just doesn't make sense to rush ahead.

For example there is just no point in trying to play bar chords, if you can't even play some open chords. Likewise for strumming, if you try to play ties or even picking base notes, before you can comfortably strum some simple patterns, you're likely just f***ing up your technique...

It can help greatly to see the stuff that you want to learn in a bigger context, but it won't change the fact that your hands need to properly learn all of it.

My advice would be to still gain as much knowledge as you can, doodle around with stuff that you find interesting and fun, but otherwise stick to the schedule.

Justin isn't considered one of the most influential guitar teachers in history for nothing...
Title: Re: What to learn next? Should I move to the next stage? etc etc.
Post by: SiegeFrog on June 28, 2014, 05:17:09 am
I started the BC in January of this year, and I think of myself of Stage 6-7. At this point, I've watched every video lesson in both the BC and the IM and some of the Blues lessons, so I know what's coming, but in no way would I say that I'm in any way more than a Stage 6.5 player. Of course, I've fiddled around with some of the IM stuff. If you're going to practice barre chord F in Stage 6, why not try it all up and down the neck? Once you've done that, why not try out the the A shape barre chords? Once he shows you the shuffle rhythm in Stage 5, why not peek at the 12 bar blues lessons in Stages 8 or 9 or the blues rhythm course? But, I'm not fooling myself. 90% of my practice time is dedicated to stuff that is directly relevant to the stage I'm in +/- 1. Right now I'm slowing down to work on songs more because I know consolidation is coming. Plus, chord practice is a little easier now. The first 10 chords are the hardest. The next 10 (not counting F) come a lot easier because your fingers are ready for them. I think you need to figure out what your goals are and the best way to achieve them.
Title: Re: What to learn next? Should I move to the next stage? etc etc.
Post by: Grimezy on July 14, 2014, 04:25:36 pm
I've been playing just less than 2 months and am quite comfortable on stage 4. I haven't practised every single day nor do I follow his schedule word for word. Some days I will sit and do an hour of 1-minute changes, chord quality, strumming patterns, etc and not even play a song. Other days I will sit there practising songs for an hour or two without bothering with the boring stuff.

I like the structure of the course but don't want to go through it in such a set pattern that I feel I'm being forced to do something I don't want to do otherwise I'll just get bored. I think one minute changes are great and I really notice the difference but I just hate doing them, I find I put too much pressure on myself to go quicker each time and the quality of my chords is effected.

There's nothing wrong with how you're learning, I've looked ahead myself and briefly looked over some topics. That's it though, it's all been very brief. I've not dedicated any proper time to anything past my recommended stage as I feel it will all come in good time. Just go at your own pace, like others have said, there's no rush to finish the beginners course. The skills you learn can be with you for life if you want them to be, I'd rather take my time with the foundations rather than rushing to the interesting stuff and then feeling disheartened.

At the end of the day, I know I only know very basic techniques at the moment, but as long as Justin says that I'm up to the level I should be then I'm happy. I genuinely feel confident with my progress and already my songs are starting to sound good (in my opinion). I probably could move onto stage 5 right now easily but I'm quite satisfied knowing that I'm really hammering the stuff I've been taught up to now rather than being overwhelmed by lots of new techniques.
Title: Re: What to learn next? Should I move to the next stage? etc etc.
Post by: JackSun on July 14, 2014, 09:59:16 pm
Well just to make you guys feel better, I been playing for about 1 to 2 hours a day for the last 6 years and I'm still not good enough to complete Stage 6 of the BC.  :(

Don't seem to have any muscle memory that I keep hearing about. If I don't practice a chord for a few days I have to learn it all again, guess I'm not really cut out for this guitar thing.  :'(
Title: Re: What to learn next? Should I move to the next stage? etc etc.
Post by: Slateminer on July 15, 2014, 04:31:42 pm
I first picked up a guitar (aged 50 with no musical experience ) Xmas 2013 and started Justin's Beginner Course at that time. I've just about finished stage 3, so it looks as if I'm somewhat slower than most.

Age does come into it I'm sure, and how often you practice, however I am progressing, albeit not as quick as I'd like, 'two steps forward one step back', the main thing is that I'm enjoying the course and the learning process. So at this rate it could take 18 months to complete the beginners course.

One thing I would mention is that it took a long time (about 4 - 5 months) before my finger tips were hard enough for me to complete more than 10 minutes of practice at a time, this has held me back for sure but has now improved to about 30 -40 minutes.
Title: Re: What to learn next? Should I move to the next stage? etc etc.
Post by: Slurpee on July 15, 2014, 08:54:56 pm
however I am progressing, albeit not as quick as I'd like

I can guarantee you, every single member of the forum thinks the same way. We would all love to be masters of the guitar asap =)


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the main thing is that I'm enjoying the course and the learning process.

So true. I mean this a long-time (if not life long) project and it requires so much dedication and discipline if you wan't to do it right. I respect anyone who takes the journey, it can be almost masochist at some times. If you really want to get better, basically every time you finally got good at one thing, you have to move on to something you suck at again or you won't really progress.

I guess this is the reason why many people quit or just stagnate at some point. You always have to keep going, no matter how good you are.

Anyway, just wanted to say you're not the only one in that position. It helps me to think that this is something I want to do my whole life, so there's no need to approach it like a race. If anything, it's a marathon and as you said, the most important thing is to enjoy it.
Title: Re: What to learn next? Should I move to the next stage? etc etc.
Post by: Drubbing on July 16, 2014, 04:37:21 am
Well just to make you guys feel better, I been playing for about 1 to 2 hours a day for the last 6 years and I'm still not good enough to complete Stage 6 of the BC.  :(

Don't seem to have any muscle memory that I keep hearing about. If I don't practice a chord for a few days I have to learn it all again, guess I'm not really cut out for this guitar thing.  :'(

I would invest a little money into seeing a teacher. It should not take that long to develop some basic muscle memory
Title: Re: What to learn next? Should I move to the next stage? etc etc.
Post by: Tim Mason on July 16, 2014, 11:05:56 am
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If I don't practice a chord for a few days I have to learn it all again

Do you mean that you've totally forgotten the fingering? That, for example, you don't know where to put your first finger to make a C chord? Or do you mean that you don't place your fingers accurately enough to get a clean sound? If it's the former, then as Drubbing says, you might want to take a few lessons, and sort out where the problem lies.If it's the latter, it could be normal. I spend a few minutes every day going through all the basic chords, and some of them still need work before they ring properly : B7, Dm, A all need constant work, and I need to wake my little finger up before it'll do what it's told.

You mentioned in another post that you still couldn't play an F chord. I think from what I read here that everybody has problems with it. I can get it to work in isolation fairly consistently, but when changing to it in a song, I often fluff it.

I've been playing since last September, and I keep cycling back to the early lessons. But I don't drop the later stuff.
Title: Re: What to learn next? Should I move to the next stage? etc etc.
Post by: Drubbing on July 17, 2014, 02:50:55 am
He's ben playing 6 years/1hr+ a day though, and still hasn't got through the BC.

I'd have got pro help well before this length of time.
Title: Re: What to learn next? Should I move to the next stage? etc etc.
Post by: JackSun on July 18, 2014, 07:08:01 pm
When I say I forget how to play a chord after a few days, I mean I have to look at the chord chart again and practice it for a few days to get it ringing clean again. Trouble is by the time I've done that I have forgotten the other things I had learnt and have to start again on them in the same way, and the cycle repeats.

I can actually now play the F barre chord occasionally but it's probably only about 1 in 100 goes. Never quite sure what it is I'm doing differently when it works. But it is just in isolation, takes me about 10 minutes to get my fingers in place so not a lot of use, I just persevered to prove to myself it wasn't totally impossible.

I did take a few private  lessons but I wasn't geting anywhere much and it was expensive so I am back to Justins Lessons.


Title: Re: What to learn next? Should I move to the next stage? etc etc.
Post by: Tim Mason on July 18, 2014, 08:29:36 pm
Have you tried learning songs?
Title: Re: What to learn next? Should I move to the next stage? etc etc.
Post by: Drubbing on July 19, 2014, 01:09:20 am
When I say I forget how to play a chord after a few days, I mean I have to look at the chord chart again and practice it for a few days to get it ringing clean again. Trouble is by the time I've done that I have forgotten the other things I had learnt and have to start again on them in the same way, and the cycle repeats.

Given you've been playing 6 years, I can't see how this is possible.
Title: Re: What to learn next? Should I move to the next stage? etc etc.
Post by: TheReplicant on July 19, 2014, 01:47:35 am
@Jacksun:

If you've been learning 6 years and forget basic open chords after a few days then I'd seriously go to a doctor and get checked for amnesia or some other sort of memory loss.
Title: Re: What to learn next? Should I move to the next stage? etc etc.
Post by: black_devils on July 19, 2014, 02:21:58 am
Or maybe the reason he can't do it after 6 years of playing is that he isn't practicing properly or maybe he's an on, and off guitar player.
Title: Re: What to learn next? Should I move to the next stage? etc etc.
Post by: Drubbing on July 19, 2014, 03:08:29 am
6 years at 1-2 hours a day. Something isn't right. You just don't 'forget' how to do basic chords after that time. Even if you have a lay off for a few weeks. He might well be a left-hander in denial...

I just went on holiday for 10 days without playing. My fingers softened up considerably, but apart from that, it's like i never missed a day.
Title: Re: What to learn next? Should I move to the next stage? etc etc.
Post by: Tim Mason on July 19, 2014, 10:11:36 am
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Something isn't right

If he's a lefty in denial, you'd expect him to make some progress. And if he has a learning disability, it would surely have shown up in other domains, and he'd know about it. Which leaves the practice schedule.

From what he says, he seems to learn a chord, and then move on to the next one, leaving the first chord aside. If he learns songs as he goes through the book, he won't be doing that; he needs to reactivate the early learning at each session, and songs do that.
Title: Re: What to learn next? Should I move to the next stage? etc etc.
Post by: Drubbing on July 19, 2014, 10:19:30 am
6 years. You'd learn something useful in that time. His posts are more relevant for someone playing in their first 12 weeks. Only a pro can help here. He should see a good one. The advice might be to learn another instrument.
Title: Re: What to learn next? Should I move to the next stage? etc etc.
Post by: Slurpee on July 19, 2014, 02:35:24 pm
From what he says, he seems to learn a chord, and then move on to the next one, leaving the first chord aside. If he learns songs as he goes through the book, he won't be doing that; he needs to reactivate the early learning at each session, and songs do that.

I don't know, I am at it for a bit over 6 months now and recently took a few weeks off. I lost some progress with the stuff I just started to learn, but all the chords i properly practiced are still there as if nothing happened. There's no way I will ever forget those chords, they are just there. Once you crossed a certain point, they don't just fade away, so I would definitely say there's something else going on.

Either he's got some underlying problems or he doesn't practice as much/frequently as he claims. You could be the slowest learner in the world, after six years of daily practice, you don't just forget how to play the E chord...
Title: Re: What to learn next? Should I move to the next stage? etc etc.
Post by: TheReplicant on July 19, 2014, 02:54:27 pm
I'm with Drubbing here. Even a bad practice schedule will bring some results if you're practicing 1-2 hours a day for 6 years.

And he says he forgets how to do chords after a few days if he doesn't play them. Slowing down and fumbling fingers the first few attempts is one thing.......totally forgetting how to play them is another completely.
Title: Re: What to learn next? Should I move to the next stage? etc etc.
Post by: Newand(hopefully)willing on July 19, 2014, 03:26:41 pm
I'm on stage 9 right now after picking up the guitar in mid November. Actually, tomorrow will be exactly 8 months since I've started. That being said, I know that I will need a MINIMUM of one month to consolidate, get some of the songs I've learned sounding presentable (I'm looking at you "Fast Car") and just be comfortable with everything. God knows how long it will take in actuality though.

As for your break neck pace, I'll definitely side with the wiser, more experienced guys on here in saying that you are going too fast. I get that the way in which Justin presents the snippets of knowledge you need to succeed is appealing, and that you can grasp it theoretically in a short amount of time. However, what you need are PRACTICE and CONSISTENCY above all else. Your brain might be able to connect the dots theoretically, but you need to  put in the time and effort to make your guitar playing sound pleasant and be almost effortless. You need to build muscle memory and strength in the muscles of your palm and fingers which you've seldom used for anything until now, and that takes time.

Also, you need to understand that the techniques you are using are a means to an end, not the end itself. Your goal is to be able to play songs. Super lame and simple songs at first, and getting more interesting and complex with each stage. It will turn out ok if you take your time now and devote some time to learning songs from each stage progressively until you get each stage's techniques down. Jumbling up all of the knowledge you have soaked up in such a short time now that you are determined to practice can very well lead to frustration and you giving up since your hands can't possibly keep up with your brain at this point.

As for following Justin's guidelines, the course isn't the holy Bible of guitar newbishnes, but once you take a closer look at it (and part of doing so needs to come from actually experiencing what he is teaching you through hands-on practice) oyu'll see that the lessons are linked and structured in such a way that mastering the first steps allows you to tackle the really hard stuff from a much more prepared starting point.

Take the dreaded F chord for example - right now I am 95% certain that you can't do it properly, if at all. That is not to say you are bad or stupid, it is just physically nigh impossible for you to do it just yet because of the lack of conditioning in your hands.  Assuming you have no prior experience with any instrument, your fingers are simply too weak and unadjusted to make it sound anything near good. That is where the structured lessons come into play - first you have the "omg my fingers hurt so much" stage Justin tries to ease you in as gently as possible with minimal practice time and 3 basic chords. Then you shift between them, working on muscle memory. Then more and more complex chords are introduced which helps stretch and accustom your fingers. Then you get a mini barre as well as a great stretching exercise to help prepare you for the big F.

 Most absolute beginners take at least 3-4 months to get there. It took me 4 and a half months to attempt the F barre chord, and for the first two weeks or so, in spite of all the previous practice, I was HORRIBLE at it. Bad to the point where I seriously doubted I'll ever be able to do it properly. 8 months in and things are going great - I can't really switch it cleanly at speeds of 100+ bpm, but the practice played off and is continuing to do so.

Long story short: commit to practicing, don't rush things, don't be afraid o experiment but generally keep to the well trodden path because it is well trodden for a reason. And, most importantly, learn some of your favorite songs and have fun!
Title: Re: What to learn next? Should I move to the next stage? etc etc.
Post by: TheCasual on July 19, 2014, 03:41:18 pm
I took a three month break between the BC and IM and just played songs and noddled around.

It massively helped me. It seem to knit everything together.
Title: Re: What to learn next? Should I move to the next stage? etc etc.
Post by: JackSun on July 19, 2014, 04:13:16 pm
No, I'm not a left hander in denial and I don't seem to have any memory issues apart from forgetting peoples names if I don't see them for a year or two.
I was pretty useless and uncoordinated at any sports, especially if they included a ball.
I don't know if that has any bearing on my ability to play.

I have tried a few songs but I'm not really up to strumming and changing chords at the same time yet.

Think I might give up and take up basket weaving or something  :-[
Title: Re: What to learn next? Should I move to the next stage? etc etc.
Post by: Tim Mason on July 19, 2014, 04:24:27 pm
You would be astonished at how people can spend time and learn very little. People can spend 6 years studying a foreign language, and test out at level A1 - which is to say that they get the same result as someone who has never been in a language classroom. They will tell you that they have done all the exercises, but that nothing worked. Or that their teachers were useless. When you look at what's been happening, it's nearly always a question of use, of doing things with the language. In so far as learning an instrument is like learning a language, then learning songs is crucial: the exercises won't fully sink in if you don't make music.

JackSun, I was never much of a sportsman, and I have motor difficulties - getting a cup of coffee across a room is a major operation. But I get the chords in memory. Play some songs, even if you're bumping away at them, and clanging on the changes. If that doesn't get you somewhere, then maybe you should take up the harmonica.
Title: Re: What to learn next? Should I move to the next stage? etc etc.
Post by: Drubbing on July 20, 2014, 02:14:00 am

I have tried a few songs but I'm not really up to strumming and changing chords at the same time yet.

Think I might give up and take up basket weaving or something  :-[

I would give guitar up. Seriously. If you cannot change chords while strumming and even struggle with chords on their own after the time you've put in, put it into something else you'd enjoy.
Title: Re: What to learn next? Should I move to the next stage? etc etc.
Post by: JackSun on July 20, 2014, 03:50:02 pm
Yeah I think I will  :(
Title: Re: What to learn next? Should I move to the next stage? etc etc.
Post by: TheReplicant on July 20, 2014, 03:59:53 pm
You've been at it 6 years.

Why not give it another 6 months and change how you practice before giving up?

For a start, force yourself to strum and change between chords. Some simple chord progressions will do and Justin gives you a few in the Beginner's course. Doesn't matter if you think you can't do them. Just do them.

Say, the chords to Three Little Birds. Practice the chord progressions in that song at half speed doing all down strums - even quarter speed if you have to. The speed doesn't matter. The 'practice' matters. Once you can do it, slowly build up the speed and start learning the lyrics.

Maybe the chord progressions will help you remember the chord shapes and send you on your way to improving. I don't know but I think after 6 years you may as well give it a try.

Title: Re: What to learn next? Should I move to the next stage? etc etc.
Post by: samiosh on July 20, 2014, 10:06:14 pm
I agree with TheReplicant, you spent 6 years trying to learn your own way, so give yourself another 6 months and practice this way: practice 2 chords at a time, meaning don't do any other thing, just practice 2 chords only, let say D to A, practice it until you can change between them without looking then move to another 2 chords like D to E but keep practicing the first one and so one... practice everything with down strums even if it's boring, just stick with it. I know this is not fun but if you spent 6 years practicing and not giving up means that you really love playing guitar so don't give up until you try everyway possible.
Just stick with it, Good luck!
Title: Re: What to learn next? Should I move to the next stage? etc etc.
Post by: fabi on July 21, 2014, 02:39:18 am
I'm pretty new at this.  Just a few weeks so idk how much my opinion matters.  But this isn't my first time "trying" to learn guitar - however, it is the first time that I actually feel like I'm making progress on rhythm guitar.

I agree with the previous two posts.  Take two chords and practice between them.  The two things that have helped me the most are the one-minute change exercises and the forced changes exercise.  The first week on the one-minutes, I just played the chord combinations, day in and day out.  By the second week, I made it a point to play "at least" the same number of changes on a chord combination as the previous day.  I would repeat the one-minute exercise on the chords until I had at least the same number of changes as the day before.  If I hit the same max number of changes for three days in a row, then on the fourth day, I made myself practice the two chords until I had at least one more change.

That sounds complicated typing it all out like that but basically, I decided that staying stagnant in my speed for chord  changes was unacceptable.  So, I created a little challenge for myself that forces me to progress in speed from week to week.  (yes, it still gets frustrating when I find myself practicing the same two chords six times in a row just to hit the previous day's number - but, I imagine it's a lot less frustrating than finding myself six months from now still struggling with the speed of those two chord changes.)
Title: Re: What to learn next? Should I move to the next stage? etc etc.
Post by: Tim Mason on July 21, 2014, 02:03:42 pm
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I have tried a few songs but I'm not really up to strumming and changing chords at the same time yet.

Then you are not, in fact, following Justin's course. Look at the practice schedule for Stage 1. He suggests that you should be spending 5 minutes every day working on chord sequences and songs. If you haven't been doing that, you've been missing out one of the most important exercises. (He also says you should double your practice time just noodling and trying things out - so there's more chord sequence time right there).

You're reminding me of those language students I have had who refuse to plunge into the language itself: they don't feel ready. Once I have persuaded them to stand up in front of a class and talk for five minutes, they nearly all take off. Three classes later, they can give a coherent performance of fifteen minutes, and go an encore for questions.

You haven't made progress because you haven't played any music. Go through the Beginner's songbook. Take your time, but do it. If that doesn't get you up to where you can stumble through a three chord song (you'll fluff the changes, like we all do) then by all means take up tatting. It can be a lot of fun.
Title: Re: What to learn next? Should I move to the next stage? etc etc.
Post by: Rolandson on July 21, 2014, 02:16:19 pm
I'm at stage 6 right now since December. I always need more time because if I can't play at least 2 songs from beginning to the end perfect I don't go to the next stage or is it better I start with stage 7 now.
Title: Re: What to learn next? Should I move to the next stage? etc etc.
Post by: TheReplicant on July 21, 2014, 03:10:57 pm
I'm at stage 6 right now since December. I always need more time because if I can't play at least 2 songs from beginning to the end perfect I don't go to the next stage or is it better I start with stage 7 now.

What I used to do when doing the Beginner's course was learn the songs from the previous stage to what I was doing. For example:

Do stage 1. No songs.
Do stage 2 and learn stage 1 songs.
Do stage 3 and learn stage 2 songs.
etc etc...

This, I think, achieved a few things. Firstly, I could concentrate on getting the chords down and the changes fast enough before attempting songs. Secondly, it kept the chords I'd learnt in the previous stage under my fingers.

Edit: There's a separate forum for posting clips of your progress and covers.
Title: Re: What to learn next? Should I move to the next stage? etc etc.
Post by: Drubbing on July 21, 2014, 03:17:15 pm
I was always 2-3 stages behind on songs. if i was on stage 6, I'd be playing stage 3-4 songs. Doesn't matter, so long as you're learning them.
Title: Re: What to learn next? Should I move to the next stage? etc etc.
Post by: Rolandson on July 21, 2014, 06:57:54 pm


Thanks you and I will start stage 7 tomorrow and play songs from stage 6.
Title: Re: What to learn next? Should I move to the next stage? etc etc.
Post by: Twitch9292 on September 18, 2014, 06:51:08 pm
I was watching beginners training lesson i think 119, and chord sequences was mentioned as a good technique, but I can't find anything on the website.  Any help?
Title: Re: What to learn next? Should I move to the next stage? etc etc.
Post by: stitch101 on September 18, 2014, 07:06:14 pm
Chord sequences are chords strung together in a song. Unlike the one minute changes where you change
every beat. You'd change according to the song. To practice you can just play the A D E one per barre or
learn a song like Lay Down Sally (the simple version Justin Teaches) or any of the songs in stage one.

http://justinguitar.com/en/BS-000-BeginnersSongbook.php
Title: Re: What to learn next? Should I move to the next stage? etc etc.
Post by: tobyjenner on September 18, 2014, 07:52:05 pm
I was watching beginners training lesson i think 119, and chord sequences was mentioned as a good technique, but I can't find anything on the website.  Any help?

Twitch here's the accompanying text with BC119 - you refer to :

Songs / Chord Sequences
The idea here is just to have fun and dig on the fact that you should now be able to play some of the songs from the songbook. Pick one song per practice session and work on getting it as smooth as possible. Memorising the chord sequence for the song will certainly help if you are able to. However, I would recommend maybe starting off with some ‘made-up' sequences just to get you going. Below are some short chord sequences using D, A and E to try.

Playing chord sequences, or progressions, is a great way to develop your chord changes without the pressure of playing songs. I have to admit, the majority of people enjoy playing songs more, but they are both of great benefit.

Because there is no melody or lyrics to the chord progressions you can concentrate fully on making the changes between the chords as smooth as possible. The aim is not to stop at all, and to keep the timing of the strums perfectly evenly spaced. You are sure to recognise some of the progressions as being from famous songs too. You could even make up your own chord progressions if you want to!


So as Stitch suggested start learning the songs in the BeginnersSongbook via the link he provides.
I assume you're at stage 1 so watch the videos. Justin explains the simple 4 beats per bar strum you should be aiming at for now - things will get more complicated later rest assured. The songs below all contain just A D E which you are learning or have now learnt, so give these a go to get your confidence up but start real slow to get used to the chord sequences and then gradually  speed up so you can play along with the songs.
 
BS-101 • Three Little Birds - Bob Marley ∆
BS-102 • Feelin' Alright - Traffic
BS-103 • Hound Dog - Elvis Presley
BS-105 • I Walk The Line - Johnny Cash
BS-106 • The Gambler - Kenny Rodgers
BS-107 • That's All Right Mama - Elvis Presley
BS-108 • Love Me Do - The Beatles
BS-110 • Common People - Pulp

Oh yeah and have fun  8)
Title: Re: What to learn next? Should I move to the next stage? etc etc.
Post by: BadOmega on October 06, 2014, 02:09:29 am
I'm just curious if you've gone through some or all of the stages how long it took you?

I tend to be very slow to get things requiring fine motor skills but I want to be able to play the some of the songs in the later stages now! ha.

And I know everyone is different, but maybe you guys can give me a little idea of exactly how patient I'm going to have to be.  ;)
Title: Re: What to learn next? Should I move to the next stage? etc etc.
Post by: pipsickle on October 06, 2014, 07:12:23 am
Hi BadOmega,

Some took me a week - 10 days some took me more than a month (the one with the F barre chord!). I then spent quite a few months on learning songs and consolidating at the end.

Good luck! :)
Title: Re: What to learn next? Should I move to the next stage? etc etc.
Post by: TheCasual on October 06, 2014, 11:27:20 am
I started in mid January and finished beginning of October. So 9 months, But I spent 3 months learning songs and jamming around before going for the IM.

As Pipsickle said some of stages take longer then others. But don't be afraid to move on to the next stage and include something from the previous stage if you're struggling on it.

 
Title: Re: What to learn next? Should I move to the next stage? etc etc.
Post by: tobyjenner on October 06, 2014, 12:02:52 pm
Badomega

We are all naturally different at learning, so here's a possible worst case scenario. I started the BC back in Feb/Mar 2013 hit a bit of a wall with Stage 6  (started 6 in November) and the F chord, went on to stage 7 July ish this year. Then lost my way a bit and have just regrouped working back from the BS 1 exercises. I'm probably a bit different to most folk starting the BC, as I actually started playing 18 years ago and kinda dropped off after a few years. But I never learnt the so important foundation of rythm playing, that you are learning here. With me I'm probably too methodical and want to get everything 100% (try anyway) and a bit of Analysis Paralysis as Justin calls it.

So don't worry if you don't complete the BC in a few months or a year. Just take your time building a really strong base for the future. That way you'll stick with it for life  8)   
Title: Re: What to learn next? Should I move to the next stage? etc etc.
Post by: fabi on October 06, 2014, 01:15:59 pm
@BadOmega
I think that's a good question even though most of us have different goals and timelines in mind when we start the BC. For me, I found that learning and practicing the skill set in each stage went faster until I started applying those skills to playing songs.  Applying the new skills is taking longer for me than learning them did.  I have been working through the BC for 4 months and I am learning to play a stage 3 song.  Since I want to be able to play several simple songs by the time I finish the BC, I see it taking me much longer than a year to finish all the stages.

But again, the time it takes depends on each person and their goals.
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Post by: deadeye_ag on October 06, 2014, 03:17:28 pm
I've been playing for over two years and haven't "completed" the BC. I've done every lesson but am in the middle of consolidating everything taught and making sure I have it down by focusing on my weaknesses and incorporating what I've learned into a bunch of songs. During the summer I set a goal to complete the BC by the end of the year. I could get there, but really the milestone is so subjective that I'm not sure it matters anymore. It really is a journey and as long as I get better and enjoy playing then I'm good. When I'm ready to be challenged further or get bored, I'll dive into the intermediate course.

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Post by: black_devils on October 06, 2014, 04:40:58 pm
I finished the Beginners course within 5 months most stages took 1 week- 2 weeks to finish it just depended on how easily I could get some things. Then again I was practicing each day for 2 hours a day so that's why I ended up finishing it so quickly.
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Post by: black_devils on October 06, 2014, 04:45:56 pm
Badomega


So don't worry if you don't complete the BC in a few months or a year. Just take your time building a really strong base for the future. That way you'll stick with it for life  8)


I agree  it really sticks with you, and once you leave the beginners course you'll have a strong foundation in your guitar playing. I would of never have been able to get myself to an advanced level if I didn't have that strong foundation.

 Once you get to the intermediate course you'll learn how important it is what has been taught in the beginners course. It just transitions from different levels of playing the basics of subdividing of beats, and what not the strumming patterns they've all carried on through out my journey through every style I've learnt.
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Post by: BadOmega on October 07, 2014, 12:14:34 pm
Thanks everyone! I think I'm going to put my goal down as a year. I like to have a goal in mind even if I don't quite make it.

Today is day 5 and I can make all the notes sound on the first three cords about 80-90% of the time, compared to zero on day one.

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Post by: Rossco01 on October 07, 2014, 02:23:34 pm
A year sounds a good target BadOmega so go for it. Sounds like you're making good progress.

I think it gets more difficult to stick to BC around that stage 6/7 when - probably - you're getting competent enough to start playing quite a few songs that sound ok with stuff from Stage 1-5 and therefore you get a bit distracted PLUS at Stage 6 I think things ramp up a bit not in the context of necessarily understanding what needs to be done just the sheer practice that is needed to get things like the F Chord, Bass strum, Pentatonic scale, Power Chords and 12 bar blues right, confident and smooth. I'm stage 8 and I have to keep dragging myself away from songs to focus on practice......BUT I will get there.
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Post by: black_devils on October 07, 2014, 03:31:24 pm
A year sounds a good target BadOmega so go for it. Sounds like you're making good progress.

I think it gets more difficult to stick to BC around that stage 6/7 when - probably - you're getting competent enough to start playing quite a few songs that sound ok with stuff from Stage 1-5 and therefore you get a bit distracted PLUS at Stage 6 I think things ramp up a bit not in the context of necessarily understanding what needs to be done just the sheer practice that is needed to get things like the F Chord, Bass strum, Pentatonic scale, Power Chords and 12 bar blues right, confident and smooth. I'm stage 8 and I have to keep dragging myself away from songs to focus on practice......BUT I will get there.

I remember when I was a beginner I really struggle with that B,D,U pattern it must of been one of the most challenging strumming patterns I had to get down just being on that beginner skill level. The F barre chord is definitely going to take a while to get down as you're not really focused on it that much in the beginners course, but as soon as you get into the intermediate course things really start to get sticky.   I only started to get the barre chords down until I dived into the intermediate course which includes 16th note strumming patterns and E, and A shape barre chords with triads


. That's when the real challenge starts with those barre chords, but in due time if you're diligent with your practice you should get them down. Barre chords for me are like playing open chords they're just super easy to do in fact I feel like it's much easier to slide the barre chord shapes down instead of strumming open chords. It might be due to the fact that i'm lazy, but barre chords open up a whole new door for your playing so it's definitely worth it to get down.

 8)
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Post by: pt3r on October 07, 2014, 08:31:37 pm
The whole BC (at stage 3 right now) feels like a roller-coaster to me, some days it feels like I have my chord changes in my fingers, fast forward 2 days and i feel like all my chord changes that went so well 2 day ago now all sound muffled and messy. It drives me crazy, but i guess it just means I have to practice more before moving to the next stage :-/ especially the darn C-G changes are still too much hit and miss to justify to move to the next stage, at least it means it will take a long time before I have to deal with the dreaded F chord.
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Post by: BadOmega on October 07, 2014, 09:00:23 pm
Oh my gosh, you guys are scaring me. I will need to do what? To when? And how?

I guess I'll cross that bridge when I get there. For now, task at hand.


I think it gets more difficult to stick to BC around that stage 6/7 when - probably - you're getting competent enough to start playing quite a few songs that sound ok with stuff from Stage 1-5 and therefore you get a bit distracted

I can see getting distracted. After all, we're here for the music, right?
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Post by: Tim Mason on October 07, 2014, 09:11:52 pm
There's nothing to be scared of. Someone once said that if you could learn to drive a car and pass a driving test, you could learn to play an instrument and read music. And you don't need a safety belt.

Just follow Justin's course, and stick to the practice schedules he gives you as you go through the stages. In the first few stages, he tells you when you should move on, and later on you'll get to feel it for yourself. Don't worry too much about how long it takes: in fact it's probably best to hold yourself back a bit, rather than rushing into the next stage and having to go back and do it again. But whatever you do, the lessons will still be there, and all of us here are convinced that they work.

(I'm still cycling through the BC after just over a year, although I have taken a peek at the Intermediate).
Good luck
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Post by: mike42 on October 07, 2014, 09:19:40 pm
Oh my gosh, you guys are scaring me. I will need to do what? To when? And how?

I guess I'll cross that bridge when I get there. For now, task at hand.

Just take it one step at a time. Justin has a great method laid out in the BC, and if you follow it step by step you will soon find that many of those things which seem impossible now won't be nearly as daunting when you get there. It's all about building that foundation.
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Post by: Rolandson on October 09, 2014, 12:58:49 pm
The whole time Iwas holding the pick wrong. I always heard a scratching on the string. I bet you can here this on my songs I upluaded
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Post by: BadOmega on October 09, 2014, 03:07:16 pm

The whole time Iwas holding the pick wrong. I always heard a scratching on the string. I bet you can here this on my songs I upluaded

Oh no! At least you figured it out and can fix it.


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Post by: Rolandson on October 09, 2014, 03:23:36 pm
the only problem I have is that I often drop the pick and I may get me a Thumbpick.
If I would be lefthanded it wouldn't happen.
Title: Re: What to learn next? Should I move to the next stage? etc etc.
Post by: toffeeman on October 13, 2014, 09:11:56 pm
Hi guys new to the forum and finding the beginners course very enjoyable. I've had the guitar for about 6 weeks now and was wondering on average it took people to move stage by stage. Sorry if this has been asked before but couldn't find answers. 


[mod edit - there is an existing thread ... on the same page as your new post about 7 threads below ... now merged]

ps - welcome to the forums, enjoy :)
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Post by: mike42 on October 13, 2014, 09:22:03 pm
Hi toffeeman,

First off, welcome to the forum!

The time it takes per stage varies quite a bit depending on both the individual and which stage they are working on. I'd say anywhere from a couple weeks to a couple months is normal, but it's been a while since I worked through the BC so I can't remember personally how long it took.

It also depends on how long you practice each day. My recommendation would be to make sure you aren't trying to rush through the course and that you feel confident with the material before moving on. If there's one thing that you're really stuck on, go ahead and move on but keep that lesson in your practice routine during the next stage(s) until you get it down.

Finally, try not to worry about how long it *should* take per stage. As long as you are thorough and take the time to learn things properly, you'll have a solid foundation for your playing. Hope this helps!
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Post by: toffeeman on October 14, 2014, 11:42:51 pm
Hi mike thanks for the reply back .  I'm in the middle of stage 2 and getting used to using the metronome and foot tapping.  I'm just taking my time and I'll know when to move on. I already know the C and G chords so that will give me a start on stage 3.


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Post by: mike42 on October 15, 2014, 12:30:04 am
I remember the first couple stages being very difficult because everything is brand new and I had no foundation to build on. The next couple stages weren't too bad, mainly just trying to get used to the tricky fingerings (like B7 - I still avoid open B7 chords like the plague!).

Stage 6 will introduce the F barre chord. Fun times... and lots of frustration!

But once you do manage to complete the BC I can guarantee that you will feel a huge sense of accomplishment and will probably be surprised at how much you've actually learned!
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Post by: bptrav on November 05, 2014, 04:03:03 pm
Stage 6 will introduce the F barre chord. Fun times... and lots of frustration!

It's not a bad idea to have a look at the first part of the intermediate course either when learning the F (E shape) barre chord, since the first fret is actually the hardest place to play it.  It also gives you some insight into WHY you are spending so much time working on that one chord.  It's the foundation for so many different barre chords you'll be learning, all of which can be moved up and down the neck.  It really opens up a lot of possibilities in your playing.
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Post by: guitar-zeb7 on December 05, 2014, 09:51:03 pm
I'm just feeling like I've put myself in a bad learning stage and hoping someone could help me here. When I first started to play guitar, it was because I heard the song Wish You Were Here - Pink Floyd and I felt like I had no choice but to learn it on my guitar I never really messed with, so I did from the youtube guitar lesson video from Martysongs (or whatever). Now I can play the whole song with the solo in between the slow picking at the start and everything. Now I've come to this website (which I think is awesome) and learned Wanted: Dead or Alive - Bon Jovi from Justin's video lesson and can play everything he taught on that video of the song. I know other little riffs but those are the only full songs I can play. Now I'm wanting to learn how to transcribe songs, but don't know whether I should learn a song or 2 from each part of the beginners course 1st or start trying to transcribe easy songs from the beginners course. I know if I watched a video from the beginners course it wouldn't take me long at all to learn a song, but I just don't feel like I know enough yet to start to working out songs on my own. If someone could give me some advice on this I'd really appreciate it. Thanks.
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Post by: stitch101 on December 05, 2014, 09:59:31 pm
Start with the Beginner Course. The stuff yo already know you will get throw quickly. The stuff you don't
know, well there's no time like the present to learn it. Justin has layed out the BC to teach you more
than just how to play songs it will teach you proper practice methods and most importantly how to
learn songs any song.


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Post by: Setneck Tele USA on December 12, 2014, 06:57:11 pm
the only problem I have is that I often drop the pick and I may get me a Thumbpick.
If I would be lefthanded it wouldn't happen.

I know this is an old post but in order to help others who may be having this problem I will try to address it from my perspective.

Don't go to a thumb pick if you're having trouble with holding the pick.  If need be go back to Justin's advice and instructions on how to hold the pick and to use it.  I haven't reviewed that portion of the lessons because I've been playing a long time.  But my pick used to fly out of my hands all the time when I was first learning, sometimes the thing would fly into the sound hole. LOL.  To this day sometimes the pick will turn sideways on me if I'm really getting with it.

A thumb pick is typically a much harder pick and harder to strum and pick with.  They are for finger picking and make terrible strumming picks, although I have seen professionals do some strumming with them.  But wile the pick won't fly away from you, you will find they are much harder to strum with.
Title: Re: What to learn next? Should I move to the next stage? etc etc.
Post by: shaunh on February 15, 2015, 09:21:14 pm
I have been learning guitar for about year and a half with justins books. The main points I learnt are to practice whatever stage your at (eg. open chords A,D,E) as much as possible and you will know when you ready to move to the next stage, but to also keep practicing those chords changes, you can never get too good or practice too much. If you dont know what i mean now, you will in time. The guitar is definitely a journey of discovery. Hope this helps
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Post by: AngusSG on March 01, 2015, 06:59:26 pm
I've been learning for three weeks. Time yourself as recommended as to how many cord changes you can make in a minute. Did it for the first time today managed 60. Couldn't believe it. If you use Justin's mile stones i.e the targets he recommends then you should be fine. I've also started recording myself using my phones voice memo function. Keep plugging away at it I'm sure you'll get there  :)
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Post by: Distilled Animal Spirits on February 29, 2016, 12:36:07 am
Hi Seek and good to see you joining the community. 43 here and I've been playing since last November using Justin's course exclusively.

I'm your age and just picking it up.  Would love to know how you're doing now. I am ready to get going and have a good time learning.

DAS
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Post by: Rossco01 on February 29, 2016, 09:26:41 am
Hi Das, That was a post from long ago but as you'll see I'm still pretty active on here and still learning to play working my way through the final stages of IM. To be honest having completed the BC at the end of 2014 I spent a lot of 2015 consolidating, learning more songs and generally getting more comfortable with the guitar WHILST also starting the IM. I'm about to launch into the last couple of stages of IM with a target to complete by end of year (or perhaps earlier) before I then start Blues rhythm and lead.

If you actually want to LISTEN to where I've come from and where I am now you're welcome to listen to my soundcloud posts (link below in my signature block). There are a lot of tracks now...but I think my earliest is three little birds on there which I think I posted on here 4-5 months in....and mainly that was because it was only at that point that I was starting to play and sing and felt confident enough to post.
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Post by: AJ on April 09, 2016, 05:42:55 pm
I am on stage 4 now. How many songs should I learn for each stage? Should I be able to sing and play most of the songs by now? I can play the songs but having a hard time to sing at the same time.
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Post by: tobyjenner on April 09, 2016, 06:27:09 pm
AJ

Singing and playing is not mandatory but nice if you can do it. I still struggle and I've just finished the IM !!
Learning the songs from each stage is not a measure of when to move on to the next. In fact its fairly common to be working on songs 1, 2 or 3 stages back from where you're learning new techniques. The important things is to have a good grasp of the items from each stage, competent 1 minute changes and all the new chords ringing clear. That's when to move on but keep on learning songs as you go and improving your technique. In the BC consolidation Justin says you should know 10 songs start to finish covering all the stages, so its up to you at the end of the day. Personally I think I worked on 4 or 5 per stage but have gone back to learn others and am still working my way through all of the Beginners Song Book No 1 (and have Book 2 to start.......................and the Rock Song Book ).

Hope that helps

Toby
 8)
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Post by: AJ on April 09, 2016, 07:26:22 pm
Thank You TobyJenner
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Post by: derek.knight on April 10, 2016, 06:18:40 am
In my case I got to about stage 5 before I tried any songs at all. I just couldn't get into 3 little birds. I would just focus on chord changes, getting them fast enough to include them in songs. I'm on stage 9 now and I concentrate a lot on songs. I find this helps my rhythm, strumming, chord changes. I still can't sing and play though. In fact I don't think I've sung for 40 years! I guess throat muscles  weaken without use just like arm and leg muscles, so now my range is about one octave. I think I might need singing lessons to remedy that.


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Post by: SlaboDayBlues on April 18, 2016, 07:28:02 pm
Hello,

I've been noodling the guitar for like 2 years now and have ordered myself the book and taken action to get into the guitar more seriously. I can play most chords from the beginners book ( except the dreaded F of course I'm struggling with hehe) and when I learn songs, I can mostly play them alright, not perfectly but with practise it'll be good. But then.. when I try to sing and play, it' s just horrible. My wife laughs at me when I try it.. I just hope I'll get there and can achieve it but at this moment it just feels like I should leave the singing part aside ( although I really want to learn it ). Anyone else struggles with this or is it just me? Some advise would be great cheers in advance for your replies.
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Post by: tobyjenner on April 18, 2016, 08:09:30 pm
Slabo

Given what you've said about your experience I'd recommend you work through Justin's Beginner's course. There's loads of technique there. over and above basic chords that will help develop your playing, then move on to the Intermediate Modules.

Regards singing and playing, some find it easier than others but you need to have both the song (on guitar) and the lyrics nailed. FWIW I'm still struggling to do this but I have a huge confidence issue with my own vocals but I'm slowly getting there.

This lesson from Justin will give you all the steps and tips to sing and play.

http://www.justinguitar.com/en/TE-401-SingingAndPlaying.php

Good luck and welcome to the forum  ;D

Toby
 8)
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Post by: Shaolindelt on April 18, 2016, 08:48:21 pm
Not just you.  Working through that issue myself and have been playing for about a year with Justin's BC.  Hoping it will come around.  Going to try singing over a recorded track of me playing first I think.  :)


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Post by: Rossco01 on April 18, 2016, 08:53:44 pm
Slabo, as Toby said some find it easier than others. Pick a - simple - song you really like and get the playing off pat. Separately get the song up on YT and practice singing to it ( no playing )until you know the words and rythm off pat and you are comfortable singing it without backing track. Back to playing, do it slowly and try to hum the song as you play. Just doing that engages the vocal and playing. When your comfortable with that try playing and singing if necessary a line at a time. It will be stilted to start with but you will slowly get more comfortable.

I find it easy to play and sing mostly but when im learning a tricky song where the chords and vocals dont sit so easily together its the approach I take. Im learning Kelli Scarr Come Back To Me at the moment.  Its relatively simple fingerstyle but getting the vocal to work has been hard. Fast Car was similar I had to get the playing completely automatic then learn it line by line for the first verse
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Post by: SlaboDayBlues on April 19, 2016, 08:31:34 pm
Alright thanks guys!

Got the marley - 3 little birds song under the knee now :) and struggling on presleys thats all right, but its all right i'll get there! :) and feels good to be in the community having way too much fun on guitar why oh why did I not do this when I was a kid!

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Post by: colinmcq59 on April 30, 2016, 11:49:14 pm
hi I feel the same there I am 59 now I had picked a guitar up about three years ago,  the mistake I made was trying to us the game Rock-smith 2013 I feel that has slowed me right down, I was doing OK till I started that game with the big idea that I was going to learn songs faster than the normal tried route,  but getting back to what you said I do wish that I'd started years ago, but I bought Justin's beginner course and that has sat in my drawer for about two of the three years that I have mucked on.

I have a friend that has learned me lots on power chords so the time that I have hasn't been totally wasted am now just going to stick in hard to the books and will go from there.

 8) :P
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Post by: Rob E on June 05, 2016, 06:20:46 pm
Really don't know where to post this so I'll try it here- the moderators can move or remove if necessary: I've just read in the newsletter about the possible grading system and think it's a great idea, I just wonder if Justin will start running exams (which I imagine would be resource-hungry) or if there will be some kind of self assessment? I do find that having goals helps me both progress and stay motivated...
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Post by: Conor on June 05, 2016, 08:00:55 pm
Hi I'm on stage 3, and I'm just wandering if anyone could answer a few (or just whatever you can answer) questions? Thankyou!

1: I am not using a pick, just my fingers, and I don't really know what to do on the up-strum with my hand. On down strums I kind of just brush my first 2 or 3 fingers along the strings, and if I'm playing a particular string I just use my thumb or index finger... but on up strums I find it difficult, I can't use my fingers as my nails are angled the wrong way so it doesn't ring out when i play, and I try to use my thumbnail, but i find that I seem to strum too lightly on some strings and too hard on others. Just wandering if I'm doing anything wrong or should I just keep practicing and work out my own way or something?

To be honest that's the most important question ^^^ but here are 3 extra ones:

2: When I'm practicing the rhythm guitar basics (#1) (the strumming techniques) am I supposed to be trying it with different chord patterns or just any chord or just open strings?

3: Should I be using the strumming pattern from that (with the up-strum after the 3rd beat) in songs and chord sequences or no?

4: On a G chord for some reason my 3rd finger bends inwards on the joint above the nail, (so rather than it curving outwards it curves inwards.) If I don't do that then it's hard to get enough pressure on the string to make the sound, so should I keep doing the weird creased pinkie thing, or try and changed it to a nicer, curved finger?

Thankyou for your help (if anybody does)!!!! :)
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Post by: Rossco01 on June 05, 2016, 08:15:00 pm
Question 1 - I used a pick from day one but have taught myself just to use my thumb (mainly to reduce volume at night). It works fine and has its place in certain songs BUT it's very forgiving I.e. Your technique mistakes aren't as obvious. I think you'll also struggle with more complicated patterns later on. Learn to use a pick.

Q2 focus on the pattern with just the most comfortable chord to start with. As you get comfortable with try switching between chords.

Q3 Justin recommends just using down strums early on when learning songs. If you have the BSB he'll recommend patterns that you can try later on if you like.

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Post by: Conor on June 09, 2016, 03:57:29 pm
Hi, I'm wandering if I should move on to stage 4 or not...

I tried it today, but I felt like maybe I had gone ahead too soon maybe?

I've been on stage 3 for a week, at least 30 mins a day. I can do all the changes with C and G at 30 per minute or up to 45 if I'm less careful getting all of the chords perfect (I don't know if I should be able to do more before I move on?). I did the listening chord thing and I managed to get them all right except 1. I can do the strumming rhythm thing easily, I can do the finger excersise easily too.

But on stage 4 it just seemed like a big jump.. like I found it hard to mute the E string on the G7 and B7 while simultaneously playing the A string.. and the A mini-barre chord hurt my finger too and justin didn't mention that, so I feel like I'm doing something wrong? and also on the rhythm basics part, he said 'if you can do 60 changes per minute' refering to the A E and D chords, but i tried and I can only do that between the E and D, so I'm wandering if maybe I've rushed through the first 3 stages :s

So if anyone could give me some perspective it would help a lot! Thank you
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Post by: stitch101 on June 09, 2016, 04:30:59 pm
You never said anything about playing songs. If you can't play at least a few songs from stage
1 and 2 then you're not ready.
The whole point of the Beginner Course is to learn how to play the guitar. To many people get
caught up in learn chords and scales and forget to apply them to songs. 
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Post by: tobyjenner on June 09, 2016, 06:33:43 pm
Where's Close when you need him? ;)

Learn songs, play songs, learn songs, play songs, learn songs, play songs,learn songs, play songs,learn songs, play songs,learn songs, play songs,learn songs, play songs,learn songs, play songs............ 8)
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Post by: close2u on June 09, 2016, 06:55:39 pm
Where's Close when you need him? ;)

Learn songs, play songs, learn songs, play songs, learn songs, play songs,learn songs, play songs,learn songs, play songs,learn songs, play songs,learn songs, play songs,learn songs, play songs............ 8)

You rang?

 :)
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Post by: jtbrown1 on June 09, 2016, 07:25:05 pm
@ Conor

Two concerns...

The first has already been addressed by others. You should be doing the course with the goal of creating music. Your goal shouldn't be completing the exercises as quickly possible, the goal should be to use the exercises as tools to help you make music.

Don't complete a stage without working on songs from that stage. You don't have to work on every song, you don't even have to get every song 100% performance ready.

Second concern, you may be completing stages before you're ready. In particular, I don't think you should complete a stage, especially the early stages, if you can't do 60 (decent, not perfect) changes per minute.

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Post by: Conor on June 09, 2016, 08:47:08 pm
@ jtbrown1
Thank you that's really helpful :)

I think I'll head back to stage 1 or 2 then, and start learning songs (I got the message lol)

My main motivation for learning guitar is to create my own songs, and I guess I feel like I need to know a range of chords and techniques to be able to make a colourful song, so that's why I wanted to speed ahead... but you've reminded me that learning songs is still making music in a sense, so thanks for that!


Also on a side note do you know at what point in the do you start learning how to play things other than chords like riffs(?) and apeggios(?) and stuff like that (sorry I don't know the correct terms), is that part of the beginners course, or is that more advanced? I always imagined before I started this course that chords would come after the individual notes, because I'm in a piano course I'm learning from thats the order.. but maybe chords are more basic learning in guitar?
Title: Re: What to learn next? Should I move to the next stage? etc etc.
Post by: Conor on June 09, 2016, 08:51:39 pm
Where's Close when you need him? ;)

Learn songs, play songs, learn songs, play songs, learn songs, play songs,learn songs, play songs,learn songs, play songs,learn songs, play songs,learn songs, play songs,learn songs, play songs............ 8)
I did almost learn 2 songs in stage 3, but in both of the videos Justin made, he added extra stuff I hadn't learnt yet like riffs and a big G chord, and I lost motivation :s

But I'll go for it again thanks!

Also could I ask, do the chord sequences at the end of the stages count as songs in your opinion, or are they too basic?
Title: Re: What to learn next? Should I move to the next stage? etc etc.
Post by: stitch101 on June 09, 2016, 09:38:06 pm
Quote
My main motivation for learning guitar is to create my own songs,

The best way to write your own songs is to learn song you like and in the style of music
that you like to listen to.
There is more to writing than throwing some random chords together. Not all chords like each other.
Title: Re: What to learn next? Should I move to the next stage? etc etc.
Post by: Rossco01 on June 09, 2016, 09:56:58 pm
Conor the chords progressions at the end of stages don't really count....and I'm not sure which videos you've been watching but Justin ALWAYS ( particularly in the early stages )shows the very simplest way to play the song ( usually with just down strums ). The "extra bits" you learn when you get more competent ( which is probably going to be weeks/months) down the line.
Title: Re: What to learn next? Should I move to the next stage? etc etc.
Post by: tobyjenner on June 09, 2016, 10:24:44 pm
Also could I ask, do the chord sequences at the end of the stages count as songs in your opinion, or are they too basic?

Not quite sure what you're referring to here, do you mean the chords listed in the practice schedules ? If so these are just the 1 minute changes exercise and each pair of chords is just one exercise. You may mean something else but whatever it is these are not songs, you need the 7th lesson in each stage "Easy Songs For Stage X"

Title: Re: What to learn next? Should I move to the next stage? etc etc.
Post by: close2u on June 09, 2016, 11:27:45 pm
My main motivation for learning guitar is to create my own songs, and I need to know a lot of songs to be able to make a colourful song ...

Fixed that for you.
 ;)

It's been said already ... learn songs, learn songs, learn songs ... (Thanks Toby)

Think of any great songwriter you admire.
Change that.
Think of any songwriter.
Estimate how many songs (not written by them) they have ever learned how to play.
It will likely number hundreds or thousands.
Think of Lennon & McCartney (some say the greatest songwriters ever).
They played hundreds of cover songs before they wrote their first songs of any worth.
By learning other people's songs you learn the skills and techniques on the instrument and you learn the craft of songwriting.
Even songs you wouldn't normally like or listen to, if you learn to play them, you will learn so much about songs.
Playing songs is what it's all about (including, eventually your own) and is where the fun is at.
Everybody loves a song.

Hence the mantra ...
learn songs, learn songs, learn songs
Title: Re: What to learn next? Should I move to the next stage? etc etc.
Post by: Conor on June 10, 2016, 12:49:25 am
Conor the chords progressions at the end of stages don't really count....and I'm not sure which videos you've been watching but Justin ALWAYS ( particularly in the early stages )shows the very simplest way to play the song ( usually with just down strums ). The "extra bits" you learn when you get more competent ( which is probably going to be weeks/months) down the line.
Okay, that makes sense, I didn't watch the full length of either video, so I suppose he may have clarified which parts that I should learn...  that's my bad, I should have watched the whole thing instead of judging too soon.. or just play what I can and leave out the extra bits and thanks for letting me know that the chord progressions don't count too!

also just to let you know, I watched (parts of) the videos for 'How to save a life' by the Fray (which had the big G chord) and 'Brown eyed girl' by Van morrison (which had the scary riff)

Not quite sure what you're referring to here, do you mean the chords listed in the practice schedules ? If so these are just the 1 minute changes exercise and each pair of chords is just one exercise. You may mean something else but whatever it is these are not songs, you need the 7th lesson in each stage "Easy Songs For Stage X"
Ok yeah, I will learn songs (I've said this a few times now lol, but I promise I will!) I'm learning from the beginner's book, just because I prefer it (except the song videos I have to go on the computer for), so maybe the chord progressions aren't on the online chorse - its just like at the end of each stage there is a set of chords that justin says to play with 4 beats per bar, so for example in stage 3 there is a progression: | G | C | D | Em |   and I've been playing those as substitute for songs, but no longer! Hope that clears up what I meant..

Fixed that for you.
 ;)

It's been said already ... learn songs, learn songs, learn songs ... (Thanks Toby)

Think of any great songwriter you admire.
Change that.
Think of any songwriter.
Estimate how many songs (not written by them) they have ever learned how to play.
It will likely number hundreds or thousands.
Think of Lennon & McCartney (some say the greatest songwriters ever).
They played hundreds of cover songs before they wrote their first songs of any worth.
By learning other people's songs you learn the skills and techniques on the instrument and you learn the craft of songwriting.
Even songs you wouldn't normally like or listen to, if you learn to play them, you will learn so much about songs.
Playing songs is what it's all about (including, eventually your own) and is where the fun is at.
Everybody loves a song.

Hence the mantra ...
learn songs, learn songs, learn songs
Thank you so much for writing that out, I feel so motivated now to learn songs :D I completely understand where you're coming from, you're right - where better to learn songwriting than from other songs (which have been written)? I think part of me feels like learning from other songs would take away the original-ness of whatever I create, but hopefully I can find my own style within these other songs just by experimenting and finding what I like.

I kind of wish Justin had put that mantra in the course somewhere, because I really had no idea that learning the songs is in essence the most important part of each stage, and just the process of learning... maybe it's supposed to be intuitive or obvious, but to me it seemed like the learning songs part was sort of just a bonus to keep you entertained in each stage :S how wrong i was lol

It's also kind of confusing because from what I have read when looking up how to learn piano is that you should learn the technique rather than just look up songs to play, to learn piano more thoroughly... although as I have just typed that out it has just hit me that the piano coursebook I've been using is filled with songs, with just a few exercises here and there... woow i'm stupid...


Anyway enough rambling, I can't thank everyone who responded enough, you've all helped a great deal!!! :* (and sorry for hogging this whole page of the thread haha)
Title: Re: What to learn next? Should I move to the next stage? etc etc.
Post by: Rossco01 on June 10, 2016, 08:36:30 am
Conor, do you have the beginners song book? if not then get it as this will make it easier to learn songs. Bear in mind some of the techniques Justin uses in those songs is to try and encourage you to practice what you're learning in each stage.

Brown eye girl riff is actually pretty tricky for a beginner (and there are probably easier versions for that riff on YT if you look) BUT you really don't need it to play that song. In the BSB you'll see Justin has an optional thing (you can just start the song by playing through verse chord G,C,G D) that'll be perfectly adequate for a start. Hey I was busking the other day and I certainly didn't bother with the riff.

How to save a life you can just play with a normal G. Again it would be nice to include the big G as it's good practice but not essential if you want to learn the song. I really didn't get comfortable with this until much later on.
Title: Re: What to learn next? Should I move to the next stage? etc etc.
Post by: joueur de guitare on June 10, 2016, 09:11:14 am
Not quite sure what you're referring to here, do you mean the chords listed in the practice schedules ? If so these are just the 1 minute changes exercise and each pair of chords is just one exercise. You may mean something else but whatever it is these are not songs, you need the 7th lesson in each stage "Easy Songs For Stage X"

He means the chord sequences at the end of stages in the Beginner's Course book


I suggest Conor reads what Justin writes under the practice schedule on the next page re. moving on to the next stage ;)

And definitely get the Beginner's Songbook Volume 1.



Title: Re: What to learn next? Should I move to the next stage? etc etc.
Post by: stevestrat on January 02, 2017, 06:51:41 pm
Hi all

On stage 8 now, can play thorough the songs, Pretty fly for a white guy is playable but is very difficult. Can get through it though, should I be moving on to stage 9?



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Title: Re: What to learn next? Should I move to the next stage? etc etc.
Post by: m_c on January 02, 2017, 07:08:30 pm
Personally, I was always working on songs 1 or two stages behind the stage I was learning. I found it took me that long to consolidate the new techniques well enough that I could apply them to a song, so I wouldn't let not being able to do songs for a specific stage hold you back.
Title: Re: What to learn next? Should I move to the next stage? etc etc.
Post by: tobyjenner on January 03, 2017, 11:01:37 pm
Go through the stage 8 practice schedule "Things To Remember"

https://www.justinguitar.com/en/BC-189-PRACTICEstage8.php

If you can do these, then move on. As m_c says don't worry about nailing songs for the stages you're learning techniques etc from. Its common for songs to lag a stage or two behind. Just pull it all together during consolidation (BC-199). My 2d.

Toby
 8)
Title: When to go on to the next stage?
Post by: AzureWorld on January 08, 2017, 02:08:16 am
Hey everyone, new to the forum. I started learning to play the guitar this week. I'm going through the BC series and was wondering when I should transition from stage one to stage two. Would it be when I get get one chord per second? I'm mainly having trouble with switching to D chord. I have to put my fingers down on at a time instead of simultaneously on the1st and second string
Title: Re: When to go on to the next stage?
Post by: stitch101 on January 08, 2017, 03:22:55 am
At the bottom of lesson BC-119 there is a section caled When to move on.
Justin has it all laid out for you.
Title: Re: When to go on to the next stage?
Post by: AzureWorld on January 08, 2017, 06:01:19 am
Thanks stitch, did not see that before. I also have a question regarding the D string. When I change to D, I have to place one finger at a time because it's difficult to put down my middle finger. Do you know if I should focus on putting them all at the same time or continue on?
Title: Re: When to go on to the next stage?
Post by: DarrellW on January 08, 2017, 08:03:31 am
It takes time to get the change fast but if you practice the changes enough (don't give up trying) and start learning the songs in that stage it will come. It always improves when you star to play songs, Three little birds is a great start, well known and easy to learn, I found it gave me a great sense of achievement and inspired me to do more!
Good luck, keep at it :)
Title: Re: What to learn next? Should I move to the next stage? etc etc.
Post by: Rossco01 on January 08, 2017, 09:49:54 am
Azureworld welcome to the forum. Ultimately you will put your fingers down in one go but that'll be a long way off yet (think weeks/months. For now it's absolutely fine to put one finger at a time. Re-read Justin's lesson and take note about the concept of anchor fingers i.e. one finger goes down first then the others follow.

Out of the first three chords D is the hardest but give it a few weeks and you should be improving.
Title: Re: What to learn next? Should I move to the next stage? etc etc.
Post by: JordiL90 on June 21, 2017, 05:44:55 pm
Hello, new here. I hope I am posting this on the right topic. I have been doing stage 2 and I was wondering if I should move on to stage 3. I can do enough chord changes and can play 3 songs. But my ear training isn't going well. I was wondering if I should continue with stage 2 untill my ear can figure out the chord progressions or move on.

Tanks.
Title: Re: What to learn next? Should I move to the next stage? etc etc.
Post by: bigbl5 on June 22, 2017, 01:07:15 pm
Hello, new here. I hope I am posting this on the right topic. I have been doing stage 2 and I was wondering if I should move on to stage 3. I can do enough chord changes and can play 3 songs. But my ear training isn't going well. I was wondering if I should continue with stage 2 untill my ear can figure out the chord progressions or move on.

Tanks.

No, move on to stage 3 now.  Justin does recommend that you do the ear training, but in a way it is a separate learning path.  Many don't do the ear training at all... some don't do it until much later.  Justin suggests doing it as you go, but it shouldn't prevent you from moving on with the rest of the course.
Title: Re: What to learn next? Should I move to the next stage? etc etc.
Post by: awooly on June 25, 2017, 10:06:20 am

Agree, move on.  I'm currently on stage 3, so many more song options with C and G chords.

I'm not focusing on ear training at this stage.


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Title: Should I be doing all the songs in order?
Post by: joebelter on July 04, 2017, 04:40:44 am
  Hi!
 Justin is the BEST.  I know that's overused, but really - I've been a teacher for 35 years and he truly is one of the finest teachers I've seen.
  In any case, I am going through the beginner's course book and got to thinking - should I be playing every single song to complete the course?  I've been playing favorites as I go, but now am wondering if I should have been learning them all.  The thing is, it seemed to me that if I did learn them all (at least at the level I'm trying to do them) it's going to take more time than I could probably devote - until I retire...
  Please advise!
    Joe
Title: Re: What to learn next? Should I move to the next stage? etc etc.
Post by: DarrellW on July 04, 2017, 06:00:41 am
Hey Joe!!!
No there's definitely no need to do that, just a couple from each is sufficient to give you a repertoire.
But what is good to do is when you get to the consolidation stage run through them again updating the way you play them by adding the more sophisticated strumming patterns that you will have been learning or maybe putting your own spin on them.
Title: Re: What to learn next? Should I move to the next stage? etc etc.
Post by: DavidP on July 04, 2017, 06:10:45 am
Hey Joe ....

(Sorry, couldn't resist  :) )

Darrell is spot on ...

I have taken a sneak peak at the consolidation lesson, the last lesson of BC that lists down what you should be able to do and it says you should be able to play ten songs.  Playing a song means right through, no breaks, steady timing with a metronome and that your selection should ideally showcase all the various techniques and skills learned through the Beginner Course.  It is not explicit as to whether you should be able to remember all the chord progressions, though I suppose with enough practise this will probably be the case. Also being able to sing it as you play it is not a specific requirement.

My approach is the same as yours ... to pick a few songs at each stage that I know and can sing - as I go I aim to record and post some of these songs to track progress, get feedback and (more importantly) encouragement - that exercise the lessons of the stage and finally demonstrate (to myself) that I am good to progress.

So I say "thumbs up" !!  Keep doing what you're doing  :)

Cheers
David
Title: Re: What to learn next? Should I move to the next stage? etc etc.
Post by: joebelter on July 04, 2017, 06:34:22 am
  Wow, I'm SHOCKED that I got a reply so fast!
 Thanks so much guys.  It really helped - I've been wondering for months!  Too chicken to post.
 I have another burning question that's causing me a real issue, and I don't know if this is the place to ask.
  I have ALWAYS had a very hard time singing songs I've enjoyed over my life.  I  L O V E music.  The trouble is that every artist I want to sing to - the songs are sung too high for me (60's stuff, Beatles (my first love), McCartney, Moody Blues, America, Alan Parsons, Tears for Fears (especially)...  It's really the PITS. 
  Am I stuck? Can I learn to sing higher? Can I find a way to sing lower?  I don't want to ruin the sound of the original recording - I like to sound like the original.
  So...  Is this the place to ask?  Or should I post my questions elsewhere?
   Thanks again,
      Joe
Title: Re: What to learn next? Should I move to the next stage? etc etc.
Post by: DarrellW on July 04, 2017, 07:11:35 am
Get yourself a Capo and adjust the key to suit your voice, just play the open chords in a different place on the neck - remember the your looking for a suitable key so may not need to strum all of the strings.
Title: Re: What to learn next? Should I move to the next stage? etc etc.
Post by: DavidP on July 04, 2017, 07:19:23 am
Oh yes, lots of people who L O V E music and guitar like you, Joe, and people active from Australia to the USA ... so not unusual to get quick response.

And no need to be chicken ... this Community is super helpful, incredibly supportive and encouraging.  Any trolling is dealt with swiftly.  So the only stupid question is the unasked question really does apply here.  And the answers are usually helpful and accurate ... and if inaccurate, somebody else quickly corrects  :)

I'd say, when in doubt post a question in General Questions section. 

I'm a beginner myself and no expert on singing, so have vague ideas about your question on singing.  I think you could transpose songs into a different key and in so doing be able to match it to your vocal range.  But the chords might get quite tricky ... not our beginner friendly open chords.

Then there is the use of the capo.  Then you can play the same chord shapes but have changed the pitch/key.  I have no idea if this strategy could be used to lower the pitch.

Quite sure with training that you could improve your singing.  I have no idea to what extent one can broaden your range but imagine with training it would get broader.  I feel that just through singing as I play my singing has improved and range is getting better ... I think.

Have you tried the Gary Jules version of Mad World in Beginner Songbook stage 3?  I don't think I sing that high (or low) and can manage that ... not Tears for Fears but still  :)

Cheers
David
Title: Re: What to learn next? Should I move to the next stage? etc etc.
Post by: Laila on July 04, 2017, 07:30:00 am
Beginner guitarist and amateur singer here. Absolutely get a capo and experiment. For each fret it's on, the key is raised one half step. At some point it should be high enough so that you can sing an octave lower than you would have before. Does that make sense?

But that won't help if what you really want is to sing along with the original. Regular singing lessons, or just regular singing will increase your range somewhat, but especially make your voice more stable at the edges of your range. You'll find lots of voice warmups and exercises on the net, try googling "vocal range exercises". 
Title: Re: What to learn next? Should I move to the next stage? etc etc.
Post by: DavidP on July 04, 2017, 07:38:04 am
Beginner guitarist and amateur singer here. Absolutely get a capo and experiment. For each fret it's on, the key is raised one half step. At some point it should be high enough so that you can sing an octave lower than you would have before. Does that make sense?
Ah-ha ... now I get it ... I have been wondering how going higher as you go up the neck would help one sing lower  ??? 

Thanks Laila !!
Title: Re: What to learn next? Should I move to the next stage? etc etc.
Post by: DarrellW on July 04, 2017, 07:50:49 am
Ah-ha ... now I get it ... I have been wondering how going higher as you go up the neck would help one sing lower  ??? 

Thanks Laila !!
Spot on Laila, and David remember you don't have to play all of the strings - or you could use power chords.
Title: Re: What to learn next? Should I move to the next stage? etc etc.
Post by: DavidP on July 04, 2017, 08:30:35 am
David remember you don't have to play all of the strings - or you could use power chords.
Hmmm ... not sure I get how that would help.  Haven't got to power chords yet ... will have to experiment when I get there  :)
Title: Re: What to learn next? Should I move to the next stage? etc etc.
Post by: DarrellW on July 04, 2017, 08:37:45 am
It's in BC stage 7 David.
https://www.justinguitar.com/en/BC-172-G5-powerchord.php
Title: Re: What to learn next? Should I move to the next stage? etc etc.
Post by: DavidP on July 04, 2017, 09:08:39 am
It's in BC stage 7 David.
https://www.justinguitar.com/en/BC-172-G5-powerchord.php
Thanks Darrell

Looking forward to that ...

But next step is record Before You Accuse Me to be well on the way to being OK with stage 5 and then I can start stage 7 ... I consider stage 6 done by posting a couple of songs using big F and using old faithful strumming pattern. 

Will cut myself some slack and continue on (and on and on and on) with 12 bar blues in G until I can play it ... that darn C7  :)  Not going to delay start of stage 7 because of that last piece of stage 4 & 5.

Cheers
David
Title: Re: What to learn next? Should I move to the next stage? etc etc.
Post by: DarrellW on July 04, 2017, 09:40:43 am
A little tip on the C7, finger the C first and then just drop the pinkie down in the right place, slowly at first then speed it up until it's in muscle memory then try it in 1 go.
Title: Re: What to learn next? Should I move to the next stage? etc etc.
Post by: DavidP on July 04, 2017, 09:57:40 am
A little tip on the C7, finger the C first and then just drop the pinkie down in the right place, slowly at first then speed it up until it's in muscle memory then try it in 1 go.
Thanks Darrell

I'm at the point of slow air changes to C7 with a tendency for pinkie to sometimes land up on the D string rather than G string.

But I am getting there !!

Cheers
David
Title: Re: What to learn next? Should I move to the next stage? etc etc.
Post by: n1rvana87 on July 16, 2017, 04:14:17 pm
so about the lessons in each stage, do you just do one each day until you make it to the practice schedule or do all of them all in one day?
Title: Re: What to learn next? Should I move to the next stage? etc etc.
Post by: mikeb2102 on July 16, 2017, 04:23:16 pm
so about the lessons in each stage, do you just do one each day until you make it to the practice schedule or do all of them all in one day?
That depends on how quickly you pick them up. If you pick them up quickly then do all the lessons in the stage. If it takes a bit of time to pick them up then concentrate on the one lesson before moving onto the next lesson. With me the exception to that was when I learned F, because it takes a lot of practice to get right. Once I learned the fingering for F I moved on and kept coming back to it. I was on stage 8 by the time I'd been able to change to and from F with no problems.

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Title: Re: What to learn next? Should I move to the next stage? etc etc.
Post by: joueur de guitare on July 16, 2017, 05:16:36 pm
so about the lessons in each stage, do you just do one each day until you make it to the practice schedule or do all of them all in one day?

The practice schedule is the daily practice schedule. Hence the seven check boxes.

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Do all of the lessons in practice schedule daily (obvious), but you don't have to have everything perfect before moving on to the next stage.

However, you need to be honest with yourself, and do some consolidation of the parts you struggle with in each stage as you proceed with the course.
Title: Re: What to learn next? Should I move to the next stage? etc etc.
Post by: ElCid on July 16, 2017, 08:55:56 pm
I'm 65 years old and I'm doing one stage of month. I'm putting in an hour or two a day. And I really miss a day. I'm sure any motivated 17 year old with a lot of time on their hands could do it at twice the speed. But I'm enjoying the journey having a great time and I think Justin's pedagogy pretty damn good!

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