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Title: BC-123 • The Dmin Chord
Post by: justinguitar on June 17, 2009, 12:55:40 pm
Questions...

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Title: Re: BC-123 • The Dmin Chord
Post by: licksnkicks on July 01, 2009, 05:13:04 am
I hate this chord!  I dont like the sound and it is hard to switch into... My problems are with EMaj/Em/Am -> Dm... will I ever use those transitions because I'm about to give up on them!


DON'T GIVE UP!!!  You have to practice them to get them.  I know how you feel.  I won't give up though!  I want to play excellently in due time.  You have to pay your dues though.  Keep trying and never say die!

Licksnkicks
Title: Re: BC-123 • The Dmin Chord
Post by: justinguitar on July 02, 2009, 11:48:46 am
It is all practice.

And even though Dm is not used as often as other chords - the finger movements and flexibility you learn while learning to play Dm come up all the time in other situations!

J
Title: Re: BC-123 • The Dmin Chord
Post by: Estel on August 23, 2009, 05:29:16 am
Just beginning this lesson. I find putting my fingers down in 3, 2, 1 order is easier; alternatively, 1, 3, 2.
Also, anchoring 1 & continually stretching 2 & 3 helps that 3rd finger to " venture out" a little further.
Any probs with those recommendations J?
Title: Re: BC-123 • The Dmin Chord
Post by: unnamedplayer on August 23, 2009, 01:16:02 pm
OK, I'm not really sure where to post this but since it started with Dm I guess I'll post here.

Lately I have been noticing some discomfort just behind and right up to my first knuckle on my index finger when I bend it at that knuckle (like if I was making the shape for the Dm chord). I started noticing this when I started playing the Dm chord.

I have noticed in the morning it is a bit stiff and sore but if I kinda "pump" that finger a few times (like bend it at the knuckle making the shape it is in when fretting the Dm chord) it goes away.

I don't notice any pain while playing so I've just continued working on but like I said I do notice it in the mornings when I wake up.

I think I am a little young to be getting arthritis and I haven't been playing that long maybe 3-4 months.

Any one else encounter something similar? Am I doing something wrong with my finger positioning?

Thanks for any advice!
Title: Re: BC-123 • The Dmin Chord
Post by: Quark on August 23, 2009, 03:09:00 pm
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Am I doing something wrong with my finger positioning?

A couple of things. 1). How long are your practice sessions? Over exertion could be a possibility if you are practicing 4-5 hours a day as a relatively new player. 2). Have you ever done anything before where you would have used these particular movements;i.e. piano, hours of computer key board repetition etc? If not it may be just normal stiffness from joints doing work they have never done before. 3). Do you warm up before you practice? Do you do any of Justin's Stretching or strenghening exercises? Playing "cold" is a good way to get an injury. Using the stretching and strengthening exercises will help avoid that.

I am not a doctor, but the rule of thumb is if something hurts, then give it a little rest. If its just normal "growing pains" then they will dissipate and your fingers will get stronger. If the pain persists then it could be an injury and you should have it looked at by a qualified professional.
I suspect that you have gotten a little better over the last month or so and this has inspired you to play and practice more, giving your hand and fingers a little more of a work out, creating the stiffness you now feel.
I have been playing for years and I still develop stiffness when I practice something new, or play for extended periods of time.

W
Title: Re: BC-123 • The Dmin Chord
Post by: unnamedplayer on August 24, 2009, 01:13:39 am
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Am I doing something wrong with my finger positioning?

A couple of things. 1). How long are your practice sessions? Over exertion could be a possibility if you are practicing 4-5 hours a day as a relatively new player. 2). Have you ever done anything before where you would have used these particular movements;i.e. piano, hours of computer key board repetition etc? If not it may be just normal stiffness from joints doing work they have never done before. 3). Do you warm up before you practice? Do you do any of Justin's Stretching or strenghening exercises? Playing "cold" is a good way to get an injury. Using the stretching and strengthening exercises will help avoid that.

I am not a doctor, but the rule of thumb is if something hurts, then give it a little rest. If its just normal "growing pains" then they will dissipate and your fingers will get stronger. If the pain persists then it could be an injury and you should have it looked at by a qualified professional.
I suspect that you have gotten a little better over the last month or so and this has inspired you to play and practice more, giving your hand and fingers a little more of a work out, creating the stiffness you now feel.
I have been playing for years and I still develop stiffness when I practice something new, or play for extended periods of time.

W

Thanks for the reply. I don't think I practice 4-5 hours a day. Maybe 1-2 tops but I usually break it up (ie play for 15-20, take a break, go back to it etc.)

Never played any other instrument. I do spend hours on the computer playing games, but never noticed any discomfort from that (and still don't).

I guess I don't really warm up. I usually start by just practicing chords, ie strum/pickout/strum for a 5-10 minutes or so then go on to 1-minute changes or practice strumming with a metronome. I've just got to the part of the basic finger workout so I will start doing that on a daily basis.

I think I'll take a break for a few days and see how it feels (even though its so tough not to pick up!!).

Thanks!
Title: Re: BC-123 • The Dmin Chord
Post by: Estel on September 04, 2009, 11:23:46 am
Hey Guys,
So I did post reply No.7 about placing fingers in 3 2 1 order (as opposed to 1 2 3 order). Works fine for me especially with the 1 minute changes.
Would like to be sure that this is OK 'cause I don't want to practice "bad habits".
Any thoughts?
Estel.
Title: Re: BC-123 • The Dmin Chord
Post by: bluepingu34 on September 04, 2009, 11:25:48 am
Ok, I'm getting a little better at it.  Starting to like the sound of the chord.

Here's a different kind of question... What chord sounds "lower" than Dm but can resolve to Am or Asus2?  Trying to put it in my song and I'm not good enough to tell yet, haha :P
Maybe you could try E7...
Title: Re: BC-123 • The Dmin Chord
Post by: CaptainAmatuer on December 22, 2009, 02:58:01 pm
I don't know if I'm posting this question in the right place because I'm new to forums.

The question deals with the Dmin chord at the moment, but it could apply to chords I might play in the future.

I've been working at this for quite some time, and the only way I can play the Dmin chord with no muted strings is by pressing on the high E string with the fingernail of my index finger.  I'm pretty sure that this is not the correct technique. 

I've also noticed that many of those who play guitar seem to have an entirely different fingernail structure than I do.  Their fingernails seem to end about halfway down the finger, leaving a nice "fingerpad" from which it appears to be simpler to play difficult chords.  My fingernails (even when trimmed to the point of pain) leave no such pad.  When sufficient pressure is applied to the strings, this area will give way immediately, allowing for the fingernails to bear the pressure. 

I can't imagine that this would be good technique.  I don't know how to fix this.  Should I just acknowledge that I don't have the genetic makeup necessary to play guitar and give up.  It's all very distressing to me, because I really would like to learn how to play.

Please provide some solution, if possible.
Thank you for reading my question.
Title: Re: BC-123 • The Dmin Chord
Post by: chix on December 22, 2009, 03:06:32 pm
hi

first an apolagy  i dont have the solution, but  were thers  will thers  away  an wile this  might  seem like  big  hurdle ther  are plenty more  to come, if we all gave up at  the  first  bit of pain or  dificuty know one  would play. ther lots  good people on here who can shure  give  advice  better than ican an more experiacned, hey what do i know im only in the relativy begings  myself ish..  but   ther  are  ways round  things..

but one bit of  encoragment  dont  give up   you can do it 
Title: Re: BC-123 • The Dmin Chord
Post by: aging_bimbo on December 23, 2009, 02:32:56 am
I had a similar issue when I first started, but I've found that with constant trimming the ends of my fingernails seem to have moved down the fingers (although this may be a delusion; it might just be the extra callous that makes it seem that way), which combined with a build-up of callous means there's a bit more "pad" than there was. So keep trimming and keep building callous!
Title: Re: BC-123 • The Dmin Chord
Post by: PJMCM on December 23, 2009, 04:02:18 pm
I don't know if I'm posting this question in the right place because I'm new to forums.

The question deals with the Dmin chord at the moment, but it could apply to chords I might play in the future.

I've been working at this for quite some time, and the only way I can play the Dmin chord with no muted strings is by pressing on the high E string with the fingernail of my index finger.  I'm pretty sure that this is not the correct technique. 

I've also noticed that many of those who play guitar seem to have an entirely different fingernail structure than I do.  Their fingernails seem to end about halfway down the finger, leaving a nice "fingerpad" from which it appears to be simpler to play difficult chords.  My fingernails (even when trimmed to the point of pain) leave no such pad.  When sufficient pressure is applied to the strings, this area will give way immediately, allowing for the fingernails to bear the pressure. 

I can't imagine that this would be good technique.  I don't know how to fix this.  Should I just acknowledge that I don't have the genetic makeup necessary to play guitar and give up.  It's all very distressing to me, because I really would like to learn how to play.

Please provide some solution, if possible.
Thank you for reading my question.

As Tourni & Irish said, it's difficult to tell without pics, but it sounds to me like there could be a couple of reasons for this.

Finger stretching. One of the main reasons for bad finger placement when learning is that your fingers don't spread out enough when playing chords. Dm covers three frets, and that can be a bit of a stretch when you're not used to it. Justin has a lesson on finger stretching - go check it out!

Soft fingertips. The "nice fingerpad" you refer to is something that no-one usually has to start with. This will build up over time with continuous playing as you build calluses on your fingertips.

Good news is that both problems should fade with time and practise, so stick with it.

Practise, Perseverance and Patience! That's all you need!

Peter
Title: Re: BC-123 • The Dmin Chord
Post by: Harper0 on January 06, 2011, 07:26:00 pm
(http://oi56.tinypic.com/2cwvdki.jpg)

Is this good?

It sounds nice, I still need a little help from my right hand though. My 2nd and 3rd fingers love each other too much to be separated lol
Title: Re: BC-123 • The Dmin Chord
Post by: flyhead on January 06, 2011, 08:03:24 pm
You do need to work on stretching/finger independence, but if you angle your fingers sloping more towards your chin (i.e. move your hand a little closer to you) the fingertips of your 2nd and 3rd fingers will be closer to the fretwires and reduce the amount of pressure you need to exert (which is next to nothing when placed correctly. Your first finger's outer carpel can be just about flat (as it would be if playing a two-string mini-barred F chord. Don't overdo it, though.
Title: Re: BC-123 • The Dmin Chord
Post by: PJMCM on January 07, 2011, 08:34:49 am
As Flyhead says, your hand and fingers should be angled slightly. Perhaps a picture would better than words.......should be something like this:

(http://www.freeguitarlessononline.co.uk/guitar%20lesson%20images/D%20minor.JPG)

Get into those finger stretching exercises!!!

Peter

Title: Re: BC-123 • The Dmin Chord
Post by: MikeCraig on July 11, 2011, 08:12:49 pm
I have a question about what it is supposed to sound like.  My Dmin is I think pretty good.  I'm hitting the right strings and not muting anything.  Similarly, my D chord is pretty good (it should be as it's easy).  However is the Dmin supposed to sound almost identical to the D chord?  Mine does; I can hear a slight difference but whereas I am beginning to identify chords by sound I don't think I could tell which of these is which.  FYI, my guitar is in tune.

Thanks.
Title: Re: BC-123 • The Dmin Chord
Post by: Bootstrap on July 11, 2011, 10:15:38 pm
Hi Mike - it will sound similar as it shares 2 notes with the D chord and the other note is just a half step lower.

D major = D F# A
D minor = D F A

The difference between a major and a minor chord is always just that half step.

To characterize the difference a major chord should sound "bright" and a minor chord will have a "sadder" sound.

As your ear gets more tuned in you will more easily identify the difference.

Good luck.
Title: Re: BC-123 • The Dmin Chord
Post by: MikeCraig on October 10, 2011, 08:48:19 pm
Thanks for the advice. 

I figured it out just recently.  I was reviewing old lessons (like really old) and was watching Justin's video on finger placement.  And one of the things he mentioned was that you could actually change the tune of the thinner strings by having your fingers too far back from the fret (i.e., pushing too hard and tightening the string).  Ah Ha! Move fingers on Dmin closer to the fret and suddenly it sounds way different than a D chord (and better by the by).

So basically I was unintentionally bending the strings and messing up my chord (so my old ears weren't at fault).
Title: Re: BC-123 • The Dmin Chord
Post by: fmaj7 on March 31, 2012, 12:54:55 pm
Hello

I think its a good idea to be able to play both fingersets 124 and 123 for dm-chord. Cause 124  lets free the 3. finger to play nice bass progression starting with the C on A-string (Dm7-chord) Dm/C
Title: Re: BC-123 • The Dmin Chord
Post by: Lester Blackstone on May 15, 2012, 07:20:41 pm
Hi All.

I'm up to Stage 4, but I'm still struggling with changing to Dm.  I'm having a heck of a time changing to it, so I've been tacking it onto my chord practice / 1-min changes every day.  Other than A and Am (from lesson 2), are there any other chords that I should be pairing with it? Also, can someone suggest some easy songs and/or chord progressions that incorporate this chord?
Title: Re: BC-123 • The Dmin Chord
Post by: jacksroadhouse on May 15, 2012, 07:31:02 pm
The Dmin is a bit of an odd duck in the beginning. When I practised stuff like that, I just randomly changed to and from other chords I knew. That gets your fingers used to the idea to find their way no matter where you come from. Just do it slowly - the Dmin needs a but more accuracy than many other chords.

I'm wrecking my brain for a beginner song using Dmin, but I can't remember one right now. All the Dmin songs I know are kind of advanced. But there are bound to be some. Have you checked Justin's songbook?
Title: Re: BC-123 • The Dmin Chord
Post by: shadowscott007 on May 15, 2012, 10:14:04 pm
I like Jack don't know any songs with Dm off the top of my head.  But for chords in no particular order (I am such a liar) C, Em, F, G, and Am come to mind.

Like a Rolling stone uses Dm now that I think about it.  I am sure I know more they just don't come to mind.

Shadow
Title: Re: BC-123 • The Dmin Chord
Post by: Chantal on May 16, 2012, 12:59:49 am
A Girl Like You uses the minor chords. Justin uploaded a video lesson on that recently. And there are others in the Beginners Songbook too :)
Title: Re: BC-123 • The Dmin Chord
Post by: TB-AV on May 16, 2012, 04:18:18 am
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are there any other chords that I should be pairing with it?

C Dm G7 C     round and round she goes, where she stops, nobody knows

C Dm G7 C Dm G7 C Dm G7 C Am Em Am Em Em7 Dm G7 C        rinse and repeat

Dm Asus2 F E7sus4(strings a and g fret 2 others open) A Dm A Dm A Dm A     and so on.

Title: Re: BC-123 • The Dmin Chord
Post by: Mouserjan on May 18, 2012, 05:49:49 am
I have to play at the nursing home this sunday, and one of the songs goes from C to Dm, Blessed Assurance, maybe not the music you listen to (in all honesty I'm bored with it myself but the old folks seem to like it) point is I'm in the middle of doing C-Dm 1 min changes. Ya might not like the chord but it does come up once in awhile.

Keep working on it ya never know when you're gonna need it   :P
Title: Re: BC-123 • The Dmin Chord
Post by: amc on May 24, 2012, 08:18:37 pm
Hello, I was wondering if anyone could help me out with a problem I have been having...

It seems that I can«t find enough strenth on my index finger to press down that e string on the 1st fret and keep it down...

Can some one help me out? Thanks! oh and sorry for my poor english.
Title: Re: BC-123 • The Dmin Chord
Post by: Chantal on May 24, 2012, 10:11:49 pm
It may not be your strength that's the problem.


What kind of guitar do you play?

How high is the action (the space between the strings and the frets)?

How long have you been playing?

Can you play an E chord or Amin chord or are those difficult for you too?


That 3-fret stretch can be difficult, it could be the cause of why you have problems with Dmin. But it could also be your guitar set-up or just a lack of experience.


Title: Re: BC-123 • The Dmin Chord
Post by: amc on May 25, 2012, 01:12:15 am
It may not be your strength that's the problem.


What kind of guitar do you play?

How high is the action (the space between the strings and the frets)?

How long have you been playing?

Can you play an E chord or Amin chord or are those difficult for you too?


That 3-fret stretch can be difficult, it could be the cause of why you have problems with Dmin. But it could also be your guitar set-up or just a lack of experience.

I'm playing a classical bluebird, I dont find any dificulty with the E chord and the A minor that's why I find it odd... I'm rather a newbie since I only really picked up this old guitar about 2 months ago, but I've been improving quite well besides that d minor, it's not the placement of the fingers that's the problem neither the stretch it's just I cant find a way to keep my 1st finger holding that string down properly.

Don't know about the action I guess it's normal.

But probably yeah it's lack of experience I will keep working on it and see where it takes me :)

I apreciated your help thanks very much :)

P.S: Basicly to keep that finger down I'm forcing my thumb from the back of the guitar pretty much and it doesn't seem to help that much! But if I play a girl like you with the capo on the 3rd fret i don't have any trouble actually I don't hassle with it
Title: Re: BC-123 • The Dmin Chord
Post by: shadowscott007 on May 25, 2012, 01:23:36 am
So I assume that means you have no problem just fretting the first string first fret note?

A thing to try:

Try just the first and second strings of the chord.  Still a problem?

Try just the first and third strings.  Still a problem?

If you try this chord do you still experience the problem:

XXX321

Trying to break it down and see where/when the F note starts to be a problem.

Shadow
Title: Re: BC-123 • The Dmin Chord
Post by: ErikaE on August 30, 2012, 02:45:44 am
I find it a lot easier to avoid muting the high E string if I use the 1-2-4 fingering as opposed to the 1-2-3 fingering. With the 1-2-3 fingering, I am muting the high string quite a bit.

However, this makes the change to A (one of Justin's recommended changes) harder, as there is no anchor. I just started working on Dmin--should I use the 1-2-3 to make the change easier, or stick with the 1-2-4 for better accuracy? Both fingerings work for me, but I'd like to practice the better one for the long term. Any advice, pro players?

Thanks!
Erika
Title: Re: BC-123 • The Dmin Chord
Post by: jacksroadhouse on August 30, 2012, 07:22:54 am
My take on this: if you're muting the highe string in a Dmin chord, there something wrong with your finger/hand position. MAybe your hand is too far behind the beck or you put your finger on too flat, or you're not really using your fingertips. Try to fix that. It's easy to say "hey, I'll just use another finger", but that won't solve the problem. Stick with Justin's recommendation and get it to work.

Cheers

Jack

P.S. Welcome to the forum :)
Title: Re: BC-123 • The Dmin Chord
Post by: Diamond Dave on August 30, 2012, 08:07:40 pm
Whoa whoa whoa--since when is Jack a "pro player"?  ;D

He's right--stick with the pinky and 1-2-4. It's an uncooperative little bugger but you have to learn to use it because it just gets more and more and more important in other chords later on, not to mention scales and improvisation.

Title: Re: BC-123 • The Dmin Chord
Post by: Chirp56 on November 04, 2012, 06:20:15 am
Had the same stretch/placement problem as everyone else…if fingers were placed down in the order 1-2-3 then 1-2 was fine but couldn't get 3 to stretch to the third fret.  If the placement order was 3-2-1..the same problem getting finger 2 to move away from finger 3…fingers 2 and 3 just wanted to stay too close together.  However, the 1-3 stretch for Dm was easy and finger 2 then just seemed to settle in the right place on fret two.  It turns out it was easier to use finger 1 to pull finger 2 into position than it was trying to push either finger 2 or finger 3 into position (depending whether you anchored finger one of finger three first). Using the 1-3 with 2 following approach also helped in moving from Dm to both E, Am and A (to some extent) as I had a lot more control over 1-3 movements and 2 just naturally took up the right position for those chords.  As finger 2 followed so closely behind…it did not take much more practice for all three fingers to land, pretty much, at the same time on their respective string/fret.
Title: Re: BC-123 • The Dmin Chord
Post by: Greenfingers on December 17, 2012, 10:37:14 pm
This one is a real pain for one minute changes but its nice to see I'm not the only one struggling!

On a completely different topic does anyone else notice that if you play each string slowly it kind of sounds like the start of Moonlight Sonata or is it just me?
Title: Re: BC-123 • The Dmin Chord
Post by: stitch101 on December 17, 2012, 11:17:19 pm
Good ear. Moonlight Sonata is actually a Dbm so your only one semi tone off. You could transpose it
up on semi tone to Dm and learn how to play it.

(Edit)
Here you go I found a version in Dm

http://tabs.ultimate-guitar.com/l/ludwig_van_beethoven/moonlight_sonata_ver3_tab.htm 
Title: Re: BC-123 • The Dmin Chord
Post by: AcousticLounge on January 11, 2014, 10:49:43 am
Hey folks,

how is it going? I just wanted to show you how I developed within the last couple of days.
I think it is obvious that Dm is killing me :-). I don't know how you cope with it, but i keep pushing especially the Dm. I still feel the tension between finger 2 and 3 when doing Dm :-).


      
Day            1    4

Am to E   26   46
Am to Dm   11   19
A to Dm   14   15
E to D   42   67
Em to D   28   63
Title: Re: BC-123 • The Dmin Chord
Post by: FPS on January 11, 2014, 11:14:47 am
I was also struggling with Dmin. When starting stage 2 I planned to spend three weeks on it. Dmin made me practicing stage 2 for 6 weeks. Changing from Amin to Dmin in particular was killing me.

Fortunately I can do 60 1 minute changes now.

Keep on practicing!
Title: Re: BC-123 • The Dmin Chord
Post by: AcousticLounge on January 11, 2014, 11:17:26 am
@FPS
Wow, sounds very nice :-). So I have to push than. But did you do 6 weeks nothing else than just doing the chord change or have you moved to stage 3 meanwhile?

Title: Re: BC-123 • The Dmin Chord
Post by: FPS on January 11, 2014, 11:35:00 am
I spent six weeks on all the stuff of stage 2 with an daily extra practice session for the Dmin chord.

Playing "Girl like you" was a major pain for me. So what I did for instance was to put on the metronome and strummed the chord changes for 5 minutes. I started with slow bpm. Doing that really helped me to get that change from Amin to Dmin smooth and clean, which I never thought I would be able to.

I moved on two stage 3 on Monday.
Title: Re: BC-123 • The Dmin Chord
Post by: AcousticLounge on January 11, 2014, 11:38:16 am
Thank you for this help. I will try a similar approach. My chord changes are not that clean, but by far better than at the beginning. Since the 1 min change is all about speed, taking care about a super perfect sound is not the major priority during this exercise.

How long have you practiced per day within the last six weeks?

Title: Re: BC-123 • The Dmin Chord
Post by: misterg on January 11, 2014, 01:43:24 pm
Since the 1 min change is all about speed, taking care about a super perfect sound is not the major priority during this exercise.

Don't forget to place equal prioriy on the 'strum - pick - strum' exercise for each chord which *is* about getting a good, clear sound. (It would probably help with your A-E change, too.)
Title: Re: BC-123 • The Dmin Chord
Post by: AcousticLounge on January 11, 2014, 02:37:36 pm
Hey misterg,

I already take care about this. But thank you for your tip! :-)
Title: Re: BC-123 • The Dmin Chord
Post by: Arshile22 on January 12, 2014, 10:55:16 am
Ya, Dm is a real struggle, particularly with speed.  I find my middle finger sometimes wants to involuntarily lay flat or try to kick out my ring finger by sliding into the third fret.  It's the strangest thing cause no amount of concentration that will make it obey.  One thing that I just tried that is helping is concentrating on putting less pressure on the chord, just enough to make it sound right.  This re-focus on not gripping the chord to hard got my Dm 1-minute changes from an average of 20/min - 30/min which is still about half of the average of my other changes.

DA63  DE64  DDm32  DAm63  DEm64w/quality  AE62  ADm39  AAm56  AEm66w/quality  EDm40  EAm70w/quality  EEm96w/quality  DmAm43  DmEm52  AmEm64w/quality
Title: Re: BC-123 • The Dmin Chord
Post by: oreilly10 on January 16, 2014, 09:49:25 pm
This is the 1st tough one.

I have been working at it for a few weeks.  I have the Dm and all changes through Stage 3 to over 50. 

A couple issues though.

I noticed on 1 minute changes with Dm, I will "limp" kind of.  It will sound like:  Dm..A.............Dm...A........Dm...A..........  is that an issue? 

Also when Im doing 1 minute changes with Dm only, I notice my thumb likes to shift along the neck as opposed to staying relatively vertical on the back.  Is this an issue?
Title: Re: BC-123 • The Dmin Chord
Post by: stitch101 on January 16, 2014, 09:54:33 pm
You should do your changes with a metronome and try and keep them consistent. Everyone one has
trouble at first with keeping time and it will come with time it's just something to be aware of.
Title: Re: BC-123 • The Dmin Chord
Post by: oreilly10 on January 17, 2014, 07:41:39 pm
Ah yes. 

I think I like that.  Thanks. 

I think I may switch all my changes to using a metronome.  Even the ones I have to over 70 and 80 I may scale back to 60bpms to get a rhythm down and make the chords clearer (often when in a hurry to cram as many as possible in a minute they come across muddy).

Title: Re: BC-123 • The Dmin Chord
Post by: misterg on January 17, 2014, 09:10:52 pm
...Even the ones I have to over 70 and 80...

Dude! If you're up in the 70s or 80s -  STOP! Those changes are done - move on to something else!   ;D

Getting up to 60, or so changes a minute gets you the ticket to using the chords in a song without messing the rhythm up - you're far better off practicing them by playing songs once you've earned that ticket. Use you're 1 minute change practice time on some other combination that isn't up to speed yet, or steal some chords from the next stage. :)
Title: Re: BC-123 • The Dmin Chord
Post by: lurch on January 18, 2014, 11:55:56 pm
As some may have spotted, I'm a returner to guitar from being rubbish before, I'm finding I can nail around the 60 mark for most open chords, even G and C, but adding Dm to the mix has really screwed it up! I obviously have muscle memory from years ago for the rest, and this one is the carpal equivalent if Bambi!! I can hit it clean though.

Also having the issue of a couple of things, hitting a mental block if what I'm doing, as in what chord I'm meant to be playing next, and also string accuracy. Some fruity extra bass notes creeping in. Time to slow the practice to clean it up maybe?
Title: Re: BC-123 • The Dmin Chord
Post by: AcousticLounge on January 20, 2014, 11:54:15 am
... Time to slow the practice to clean it up maybe?

This was my approach and it really helps !

But as you can see, I am struggling with the Dmin as well!

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Title: Re: BC-123 • The Dmin Chord
Post by: Macabre on January 20, 2014, 04:04:57 pm
... Time to slow the practice to clean it up maybe?

This was my approach and it really helps !

But as you can see, I am struggling with the Dmin as well!

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Hi AcousticLounge, the numbers along the top - are they the days or the weeks? Pretty impressive progress, I have been playing the guitar for nearly 2 months (not every day I'll warrant) and am only around the 40s for the Stage 1 changes.
Any involving the Dm are a nightmare for me, I'm in the very low 20s! Probably less than that in reality as I've included the ones that don't sound 100% as it would be, like 0 otherwise!
Title: Re: BC-123 • The Dmin Chord
Post by: AcousticLounge on January 20, 2014, 04:19:43 pm
Hi AcousticLounge, the numbers along the top - are they the days or the weeks?

Hey Macabre, I tested myself every 2 - 4 days. I include those that do not sound super extreme crispy as well (but as soon as if it is not that good, I do not count).
Title: Re: BC-123 • The Dmin Chord
Post by: bradt on January 20, 2014, 07:21:54 pm
Hey guys. What helped in getting these changes down is to do them very slowly. Look at your hand in one chord and visualize the change, then make it slowly. You start to notice patterns forming in the changes. Once you recognize these, the changes get easier. At least they did for me.

Am-Dm is a good example. If you watch closely you start to see that they're mostly the same shape. All you are doing is moving it up one string, and spreading the third finger out one fret. First and second finger stay largely the same.
Title: Re: BC-123 • The Dmin Chord
Post by: lurch on January 21, 2014, 12:15:30 pm
I've no idea what happened, I was struggling to get all the Dmin fingers down together. Not really picked up the guitar since Friday bar strumming along to a couple of EAD tunes and fiddling with my Ukew, but today the Dmin is coming along nicely, the fingers are all arriving in the same place together, Am to Dm is above 50bpm now, couldn't quite hit 60. I reckon it'll drop in like that for you AcousticLounge.

Still occasionally, on any 1 minute chord change practice stop in the middle as I've completely forgotten what I'm doing and what's next! Can't even think of the chord name when that happens, let alone the position!

Tried Dmin to a few other chords, they seem OK in terms of transition, not done them to a 1 minute schedule properly yet, but it's not bad and I have good confidence I can get straight in at 45-50bpm. The only weird one is G-Dmin. Bearing in mind I first learned the G years ago with the 3rd fret on strings 1 and 2, rather than just on string 1, and anchoring the finger seems to go from curl to straight, and it's like a pop, ever seen those "slap" wristbands? Like that. Sure a little work-out will smoothen things up a bit.

Only thing that's annoying me about any chord change is where you strum fewer strings, e.g. E-A or E-d or even A-D (maj or min) is muting the unwanted strings to keep the chord with the fewer strings cleaner. Main thing at this stage I guess, is the notes needed are clean which they are most of the time.

Interestingly, I tried the 4/4 strumming to "make" the chord changes keep up, it works, and I can do almost any chord change pretty slick doing that, well most of the time! Doesn't help for trying to play Desire by U2. I decided to leave that song along for now :)

As a side note, I'm being given a nylon strung classical acoustic soon, el cheapo kind of thing, but I figured it's be nice to have it about, and playing on a variety of different guitars is never a bad thing right? :)

Thanks all, this forum is brilliant for support and advice. I think half the battle is knowing and being reminded you're not alone when it comes to a niggle or a struggle with this, that or the other.
Title: Re: BC-123 • The Dmin Chord
Post by: oreilly10 on January 31, 2014, 07:41:55 pm
Man, I hated this chord when it first came across... but I weathered the storm and have it >60 changes with  all Stage 1 and 2 chords.  Stage 3 is a different story, but that one is on C and G.
Title: Re: BC-123 • The Dmin Chord
Post by: AcousticLounge on February 10, 2014, 10:48:13 am
Man, I hated this chord when it first came across... but I weathered the storm and have it >60 changes with  all Stage 1 and 2 chords.  Stage 3 is a different story, but that one is on C and G.
Congratulations, I'm still working on it :-(.
Title: Re: BC-123 • The Dmin Chord
Post by: AndyJSO on February 27, 2014, 09:50:41 pm
Hating this chord. Have done most of the intermediate method course now but keep making a balls up of this one. Constantly miss it. Playing all my barre chords and missing this every time  >:( :'(

It's so simple but my stupid fingers keep missing it.

Finger two is always on the money, one tends to hit between b and e, and three tends to hit g. One minute changes are not working  :o

Any tips on this?
Title: Re: BC-123 • The Dmin Chord
Post by: Dr Winterbourne on February 27, 2014, 09:56:23 pm
Andy, slow down and make the movements perfectly. However slowly that is for you.

Next, add in a metronome, real slow, like 40.

Once you can do it perfectly slowly, to the metronome, it becomes easy to increase the speed by upping the bpm.

Give that a try, maybe,
Title: Re: BC-123 • The Dmin Chord
Post by: TheCasual on February 27, 2014, 11:34:09 pm
I found Dmin the hardest chord other Barre F on the BC
Title: Re: BC-123 • The Dmin Chord
Post by: 3shirts on March 25, 2014, 01:43:12 pm
This thread has been quite a relief for me.  I came here because I have a bit of trouble with Dmin (compared to other chords and changes) so it's nice to know other people have trouble with it too.
I've been focussing on playing it and I have changed my practice to include 2x one minute changes where Dm is concerned.

It is helping and I have A-Dm and Am-Dm up to around 30 now.  It's still lagging behind my other changes but I feel like it's 'clicked' now and the way my fingers find the position feels much less forced.  Hopefully, a few more days on it and I should be ready to step up to stage 3.
Title: Re: BC-123 • The Dmin Chord
Post by: stitch101 on March 26, 2014, 04:08:50 pm
If the Dm is the only thing stopping you from moving up to stage 3 move up and keep practicing the Dm.
You'll find the more chords your put into your practice routine the better.
There is two reasons for this

1 if you play the same chord over and over you get grooves in your fingers that mute the strings. Changing
the chords around keep the groove to a minimum.
2 Your brain gets bored and stops learning after spending to much time on the same chord. Changing it
up keeps your brain interested.
Title: Re: BC-123 • The Dmin Chord
Post by: truxguy on April 20, 2014, 10:28:05 pm
I`m glad I`m not the only one struggling with this chord. Are there any stretches to do that will help my #3 & #2 fingers get more separation? I can form the chord and it sounds clean through the amp but I don`t have the seperation. After reading the posts in here, one thing I need to do is change my practicing regiment and start practicing patience also. Thanks everyone for your posts and advice it`s very helpful.
Title: Re: BC-123 • The Dmin Chord
Post by: Newand(hopefully)willing on April 21, 2014, 11:53:11 am
You might want to check out the video on the basic finger workout from stage 3 and start on that already. You'll definitely be able to stretch farther with confidence after a few weeks of doing that.
Title: Re: BC-123 • The Dmin Chord
Post by: TheCasual on April 21, 2014, 02:18:12 pm
Of all the chords in the BC other then F barre chord Dmin was the hardest.
Title: Re: BC-123 • The Dmin Chord
Post by: jimbouk on June 28, 2014, 09:14:15 am
Hi All
Just started learning Acoustic Guitar at the age of 48, no musical knowledge at all so its going to be a steep learning curve for me.
i am currently working through the  course and have reached my first real challenge ''The Dmin ''chord.

Impossible at first but after reading this forum i am finding the 3-2-1 finger method seems to be helping me quite a lot.

Currently hitting around the 28 mark (14 full changes ) between Amin and Dmin , so i will keep plugging away until i manage the magic 60.

Thanks again for all the great advice

Jim
Title: Re: BC-123 • The Dmin Chord
Post by: ace74 on November 28, 2014, 07:34:21 pm
Just beginning this lesson. I find putting my fingers down in 3, 2, 1 order is easier; alternatively, 1, 3, 2.
Also, anchoring 1 & continually stretching 2 & 3 helps that 3rd finger to " venture out" a little further.
Any probs with those recommendations J?

Hello out there,
I must say that I've made exactly the same experience with Dminor as Estel.
Placing the fingers in 123 order is possible but stretchy
Placing the fingers in 321 order is quite easy.

Unfortunately nobody answered to Estel these days, but I have the same doubt about this.
Is there any reason not to grab Dm in that way (bad habbit and so on)

Thanks a lot,
Alan
Title: Re: BC-123 • The Dmin Chord
Post by: shadowscott007 on November 28, 2014, 08:15:25 pm
Long term you will end up putting your fingers down at about the same time.  I cannot see any irreparable damage with 3 2 1...

Shadow
Title: Re: BC-123 • The Dmin Chord
Post by: FPS on November 28, 2014, 08:24:15 pm
Finger order is an individual thing. What ever floats your boat. And as shadow said, you will learn air changes eventually. So I can't see any harm done till then.
Title: Re: BC-123 • The Dmin Chord
Post by: ace74 on November 28, 2014, 09:42:54 pm
Hello,
Thanks a lot for your replies.
Before I can grab the chords at once I need a lot more practice.
Meanwhile I am proud for every progress I can notice.

Greetings
Alan
Title: Re: BC-123 • The Dmin Chord
Post by: Tazz3 on December 11, 2014, 05:35:28 am
I started the DM the other night iam able to do it I go to DM to am and back, are there any easy songs that use dm
Title: Re: BC-123 • The Dmin Chord
Post by: Drubbing on December 11, 2014, 05:58:13 am
I started the DM the other night iam able to do it I go to DM to am and back, are there any easy songs that use dm

Have you bought Justins BC songbook? Chords taught lead into using them in songs. Can't be guaranteed they're songs you know or like though.
Title: Re: BC-123 • The Dmin Chord
Post by: SiegeFrog on December 11, 2014, 07:37:07 am
I started the DM the other night iam able to do it I go to DM to am and back, are there any easy songs that use dm

Some of the Stage 2 songs contain Dm. If you don't have the songbook take a look at some of Justin's song lessons from that stage. A Girl Like You, Natural Mystic, St. James Infirmary Blues, All Your Love.
Title: Re: BC-123 • The Dmin Chord
Post by: Nick77 on January 05, 2015, 06:31:47 pm
I really hate this chord, it is actually getting me depressed! I have been working on Girl Like You and whilst I am getting better I do at times wonder if I will ever get there. Aside from the stretch which everyone seems to struggle with at the beginning with the 3rd finger, the main problem I seem to have with this chord is my first finger rarely rings true on the thinnest string. It also hurts a lot and I have to press down very hard to get it to ring true which is pretty painful. I have been playing for just under 2 months every day (with perhaps 2 or 3 days skipped) so my fingers should be used to it by now? I have a Taylor 414ce which I bought when I started and I am convinced the action is a little high for a beginner but my guitar teacher says the action is low and it's great. I went to Australia for Xmas and bought a cheap steel string guitar whilst there just to keep up the practice and it was so much easier to play the chords on that as I hardly had to press down at all. My Taylor, particularly the two thinnest strings, is much harder and more painful to play on. Is this normal for a Taylor as from everything I read they are known for playability with low action etc etc. I'm a beginner so am just cracking on but the fact that it hurts more than the cheaper guitar I bought down under does make me think I might be onto something? Anyone have any experience on this? The strings are what it came with and Elixir HD Light Nanoweb. Thank you!
Title: Re: BC-123 • The Dmin Chord
Post by: stitch101 on January 05, 2015, 07:59:12 pm
There could be a few things going on to make your cheap guitar play better than your Taylor.

1 It could have the nut slots cut deeper than the Taylor making it easier to fret the strings close to
the nut.

2 It could have extra light strings and your Taylor has Lights

3 It has a short scale neck like a Gibson 24.75. Your Taylor has a 25.5 in scale.

It could be that your Taylor need a set-up. Ask the tech to check the nut. If you can take it to a Taylor
authorized dealer the set up might be free.

As for the Dm chord try different hand positions the get the right curl on you fingers so your not muting
the strings.
Title: Re: BC-123 • The Dmin Chord
Post by: Nick77 on January 05, 2015, 08:10:11 pm
Thanks Stitch will check it out. Appreciate the advice.
Title: Re: BC-123 • The Dmin Chord
Post by: suzidownunder on July 05, 2015, 11:55:46 pm
 :D   Hi Justin

When fretting a Dm chord my third finger just doesn't want to angle the way it should, turning toward my middle finger instead and falls short of the fret - is it ok that i use my little (pinky) finger instead for the third position? I'm on level 7 of beginners course and don't seem to have a problem with any of the other chords so far
Many thanks for your awesome lessons
Title: Re: BC-123 • The Dmin Chord
Post by: tobyjenner on July 06, 2015, 12:31:55 pm
Suzi

If you are on stage 7 you'll see that the limitation of using your pinkie will stop you playing the Dsus4.
Edited to add ... Unless you find an alternative grip / fingering.

Do you put your 3rd finger down last ? If so try the Dm starting with this finger.

Also try pointing your fingers more towards the bridge so they are not straight on to the frets, that may help you stretch.

Finally do you do any of the stretching exercises ? As these may help. Just the basic Finger workout will stretch the gap between the middle and third fingers especially where the frets are wider up by the neck.
http://www.justinguitar.com/en/BC-135-FingerWorkout.php give this a try if you haven't already.

Hope this helps but just try an persevere with the normal fingering.

Cheers

Toby
 8)
Title: Re: BC-123 • The Dmin Chord
Post by: suzidownunder on October 02, 2015, 01:16:30 pm
Suzi

If you are on stage 7 you'll see that the limitation of using your pinkie will stop you playing the Dsus4.
Edited to add ... Unless you find an alternative grip / fingering.

Do you put your 3rd finger down last ? If so try the Dm starting with this finger.

Also try pointing your fingers more towards the bridge so they are not straight on to the frets, that may help you stretch.

Finally do you do any of the stretching exercises ? As these may help. Just the basic Finger workout will stretch the gap between the middle and third fingers especially where the frets are wider up by the neck.
http://www.justinguitar.com/en/BC-135-FingerWorkout.php give this a try if you haven't already.

Hope this helps but just try an persevere with the normal fingering.

Cheers

Toby
 8)
I tried putting the third finger down first - and it works!  Thankyou! Bit slow getting it yet but practising!
:)

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Title: Re: BC-123 • The Dmin Chord
Post by: tobyjenner on October 02, 2015, 01:30:25 pm
Great stuff, well done !

 8)
Title: Re: BC-123 • The Dmin Chord
Post by: rsophiuchi on January 27, 2016, 10:50:15 am
I was having so much trouble with Dmin that I thought I'd never get it right. Then I read the advice on this forum and changed the order that I put my fingers down. Strangely, I've found 1-3-2 works best for me but it's made such a difference instantaneously.

Thank you so much to all those that suggested changing the order of placing the fingers down  for this chord.

Susan

Title: Re: BC-123 • The Dmin Chord
Post by: Omar on May 13, 2016, 07:11:56 am
I tried putting the third finger down first - and it works!  Thankyou! Bit slow getting it yet but practising!
:)

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I do exactly the same thing

However, I'm now testing changing fingers order in Dmaj, I have 1st finger on 1st string and 2nd finger on 3rd string. I found it easier to play all major and minor A, D and E.

Is it a good idea for other chords in later stages? E.g. F, G and C?
Title: Re: BC-123 • The Dmin Chord
Post by: derek.knight on May 13, 2016, 10:24:38 am
I don't see any problem with this. As long as you make the chord shape, it doesn't matter how you make it. To start with. Later on you'll learn about air changes and about getting your fingers in the shape for the upcoming chord as they are moving from the previous chord, then you can put down all your fingers at the same time. I think this technique is half way through the beginners course. Now I'm doing changes between F and G and I find it very hard to get my fingers in the G shape when coming out of the F shape. Even if I do it very slowly, I have to work hard to form the new shape before I put my fingers down. However practice and it will come right


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Title: Re: BC-123 • The Dmin Chord
Post by: stitch101 on May 13, 2016, 04:25:32 pm
Quote
However, I'm now testing changing fingers order in Dmaj, I have 1st finger on 1st string and 2nd finger on 3rd string. I found it easier to play all major and minor A, D and E.

Quote
I don't see any problem with this. As long as you make the chord shape, it doesn't matter how you make it.


It actually does matter how you fret some chords. Latter on you will learn sus chords and slash chord.
Slash chords have nothing to do with Slash the guitar player.

As long has you can play these chords with a different grip it's fine but if you have to relearn the normal
grip then you've wasted your time by try something because you think it's easier. So in the long run
it's not easier or a time saver.

There is a reason why things are the way they are and some time you don't realize it at first.

 
Title: Re: BC-123 • The Dmin Chord
Post by: derek.knight on May 13, 2016, 09:55:59 pm
Sorry I misunderstood the question. It doesn't matter if you don't put all your fingers down at the same time (I thought the question was which order should you put your fingers down). However as stitch says, putting the recommended fingers on each string is important.


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Title: Re: BC-123 • The Dmin Chord
Post by: batwoman on October 20, 2016, 03:06:06 am
I've been engaged in a battle with Dm (which I call D mongrel) for many weeks. I've done at least 1 million 1 minute changes, I've stretched, I've visualised, I've said a few bad words  :-\. It can behave itself when doing the 1 minute changes, except for a lot of buzzing, but when I attempt to play it in a song, blah. One of the things that has just about driven me crazy is that regardless of how hard I press, what angle I use the strings buzz when I lift off to play the next chord. I find myself dreading it coming up in a song and of course I make a mess.  Yesterday I had an epiphany ....  if I get my fingers right up against the fret it sounds good with no buzzing. I tried closing my eyes to do the 1 minute changes .... perfect, sweet sounding, clean chords. Then I played my song with eyes closed and it was good. Hah, D mongrel now D marvelous.
Title: Re: BC-123 • The Dmin Chord
Post by: tobyjenner on October 20, 2016, 01:32:30 pm
@Batwoman - congrats ! Sometimes just making a few subtle changes of position change make a big difference. When you hit one of these roadblocks, just experiment with tiny changes and you'll probably resolve the issue. After a while, this "fiddling" just becomes natural when learning a new chord or riff etc. Don't do anything major like changing the grip ie using different fingers but just try minute adjustments. Change one thing/finger at a time so you know which one was throwing the spanner in the works.  8)
Title: Re: BC-123 • The Dmin Chord
Post by: stitch101 on October 20, 2016, 05:00:22 pm
Quote
if I get my fingers right up against the fret it sounds good with no buzzing.

This is how you should be playing all your chords. Some chord you can't get all the fingers
right against the fret but they should be as close as possible.
Good to hear you figured this out, now put this in your book of knowledge so the next time you
come across a chord that is giving you trouble the first thing to check is where are my fingers
in relationship to the frets.
 
Hopefully this will save you millions of bad chord changes and replace then with hundreds of
great chord changes.  :)
   
Title: Re: BC-123 • The Dmin Chord
Post by: batwoman on October 20, 2016, 09:06:44 pm
After a while, this "fiddling" just becomes natural when learning a new chord or riff etc. Don't do anything major like changing the grip ie using different fingers but just try minute adjustments. Change one thing/finger at a time so you know which one was throwing the spanner in the works.  8)

You're so right tobyjenner. That's how I figured it out. I was playing one string at a time to see what was buzzing when I noticed where my fretting fingers were. Duh oh  :-\

 
This is how you should be playing all your chords. Some chord you can't get all the fingers
right against the fret but they should be as close as possible.
Good to hear you figured this out, now put this in your book of knowledge so the next time you
come across a chord that is giving you trouble the first thing to check is where are my fingers
in relationship to the frets.
 
Hopefully this will save you millions of bad chord changes and replace then with hundreds of
great chord changes.  :)
   


Thanks stitch. I love the idea of hundreds of great chord changes, instead of millions of mongrels.  I guess this is part of the overwhelm of a beginner. There are so many things to remember. Over the weeks I've been mangling D mongrel I'd forgotten about importance of fingers against the fret. I'll certainly be quicker now to check where my fingers are when I hear the buzzzzzz. I'm finding that practising my chord changes with eyes closed is making me more aware of where I'm placing my fingers.
Title: Re: BC-123 • The Dmin Chord
Post by: stitch101 on October 20, 2016, 10:18:04 pm
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I'm finding that practising my chord changes with eyes closed is making me more aware of where I'm placing my fingers.

I feel this is the best way for two reasons. 

1) it make you use your ears and not your eyes. Your ears never lie but your eyes do and music
is about listening.

2)It keeps you from forming the bad habit of looking at your fingers which in turn makes you a better
singer because your not bent over the guitar so your voice come out better.

Keep up the good work 
Title: Re: BC-123 • The Dmin Chord
Post by: antwilk1981 on October 21, 2016, 08:15:32 am
I've been playing about 10 years on and off and this chord is my nemesis!

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Title: Re: BC-123 • The Dmin Chord
Post by: TheCasual on October 21, 2016, 12:30:55 pm
I've been playing about 10 years on and off and this chord is my nemesis!

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Of all the BC chords Dminor was the worse other then F obvious.

I've notice that in some of the more recent beginning songs, Justin uses his pinky instead of third finger. 
Title: Re: BC-123 • The Dmin Chord
Post by: joueur de guitare on October 21, 2016, 01:24:46 pm
Very few people seem to bother reading what Justin writes under the videos/in the BC book. They should, there's an awful lot of extra information/help/advice/caveats there.

Quote
You can use either fingers 1,2 and 3 to play this chord—as shown in the photo and diagram—or use 1, 2 and 4 if you find the stretch too much with your 3rd finger. See what feels good for you. Both fingerings have pros and cons depending on the circumstances.

my italics.

http://www.justinguitar.com/en/BC-123-Dm-chord.php (http://www.justinguitar.com/en/BC-123-Dm-chord.php)
Title: Re: BC-123 • The Dmin Chord
Post by: antwilk1981 on October 21, 2016, 02:22:12 pm
Of all the BC chords Dminor was the worse other then F obvious.

I've notice that in some of the more recent beginning songs, Justin uses his pinky instead of third finger.
Yeah I never really struggled with barre chords, if I see a Dm in a song I play it at the 5th fret hahaha

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Title: Re: BC-123 • The Dmin Chord
Post by: Debbie on June 25, 2017, 06:00:30 pm
Hello
I am brand b new to guitar and am having trouble playing DM. IT seems my fingers will not stretch that far.
Any tip would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks
Title: Re: BC-123 • The Dmin Chord
Post by: joueur de guitare on June 25, 2017, 06:28:03 pm
Hello
I am brand b new to guitar and am having trouble playing DM. IT seems my fingers will not stretch that far.
Any tip would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks

Hello :)

Try your little finger instead of your third.

Quote from: Justin
You can use either fingers 1,2 and 3 to play this chord—as shown in the photo and diagram—or use 1, 2 and 4 if you find the stretch too much with your 3rd finger. See what feels good for you. Both fingerings have pros and cons depending on the circumstances.


https://www.justinguitar.com/en/BC-123-Dm-chord.php (https://www.justinguitar.com/en/BC-123-Dm-chord.php)

And give the basic finger exercise a go

https://www.justinguitar.com/en/BC-135-FingerWorkout.php (https://www.justinguitar.com/en/BC-135-FingerWorkout.php)
Title: Re: BC-123 • The Dmin Chord
Post by: michaelholmes on July 09, 2017, 09:07:44 pm
Hello :)

Try your little finger instead of your third.


https://www.justinguitar.com/en/BC-123-Dm-chord.php (https://www.justinguitar.com/en/BC-123-Dm-chord.php)

And give the basic finger exercise a go

https://www.justinguitar.com/en/BC-135-FingerWorkout.php (https://www.justinguitar.com/en/BC-135-FingerWorkout.php)
Playing C chord with fingers slightly angled towards the neck is almost the same shape as playing the Dm chord.
This has helped me a lot.
Greetings.
Title: Re: BC-123 • The Dmin Chord
Post by: MPetten on July 10, 2017, 09:09:04 pm
I find my problem with the Dmin chord is not with my third finger but my first finger on the first fret. It's almost like it wants to slide closer to the other 2 fingers. Anyone else experienced this?
Title: Re: BC-123 • The Dmin Chord
Post by: michaelholmes on July 10, 2017, 09:18:48 pm
I find my problem with the Dmin chord is not with my third finger but my first finger on the first fret. It's almost like it wants to slide closer to the other 2 fingers. Anyone else experienced this?
You can try putting fingers  3 2 and then one down, thats the way im trying to master it.
Title: Re: BC-123 • The Dmin Chord
Post by: Paulvm on July 11, 2017, 06:27:02 am
I have the same problem so I keep my first finger a bit tilted. More angled towards the neck of the guitar. I don't know if thats a problem, but it works for me now


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Title: Re: BC-123 • The Dmin Chord
Post by: rsophiuchi on July 11, 2017, 02:30:15 pm
I also had a lot of trouble with Dmin until someone suggested that I put my third finger down first, followed by second finger, and then first finger down last, as michaelholmes has said. That really makes a difference for me.

Susan
Title: Re: BC-123 • The Dmin Chord
Post by: Shinboner on August 28, 2017, 01:41:02 am
I'm having terrible trouble with this chord.
One thing that seems to be helping is putting the capo on the third fret and practising from there. No muted strings or buzzes!
When I go back to the open chord from there it seems to be much easier and better. I'll keep trying that and see how it goes!
Title: Re: BC-123 • The Dmin Chord
Post by: bigbl5 on August 28, 2017, 01:50:17 pm
I'm having terrible trouble with this chord.
One thing that seems to be helping is putting the capo on the third fret and practising from there. No muted strings or buzzes!
When I go back to the open chord from there it seems to be much easier and better. I'll keep trying that and see how it goes!

Yes, actually one good way to practice this chord is to play "A girl like you."  Capo on the 3rd fret.  Dm is tough for many people, me included.  I eventually just moved on and forgot about it.  When I went back a few months later after moving on several stages, it was a cake walk. 
Title: Re: BC-123 • The Dmin Chord
Post by: GregS on December 18, 2017, 10:30:50 pm
I just moved into Stage 2 and this is certainly the most difficult chord so far.  I'm having issues stretching finger 3, like just about everyone does.  I'm finding that I have to put my fingers at an angle right now or I mute the high E string.

But this is my first day working on it, so it will come.  I did look at Justin's stretching exercise and I'm not where I can avoid muting strings with finger 4 yet.  I'll keep working at it.

Not really looking for any help, just came here to voice my issues so those that come later can see they aren't the only ones with issues.
Title: Re: BC-123 • The Dmin Chord
Post by: ajc24 on January 28, 2018, 10:07:34 pm
Not really looking for any help, just came here to voice my issues so those that come later can see they aren't the only ones with issues.

Much appreciated on my end. I've had quite a few struggles with Dm. Oddly enough my troubles began with my first finger on the thinnest string of the 1st fret. I regularly got a muted / muddy sounding note from it. Figured out, as I went along, that I was having two problems:
It has just taken constant practice to build up the strength in my fingers (which also indirectly sorted out the stretch along the way) and now I'm hitting that side of Dm pretty well. My issue now is with my 3rd finger muting the string below it, which still happens more often than I'd like.

All I could suggest to anyone struggling with Dm is to play these two songs from Justins Beginners Songbook:
Those are the two tracks I chose because A Girl Like You has a consistent switch between Am and Dm and 505 has a switch between Em and Dm.

Play them. Over and over. Every day. You'll soon find your Dm chord getting better and better.
Title: Re: BC-123 • The Dmin Chord
Post by: darlostrummer10 on February 22, 2019, 01:20:04 pm
Hi All,

First post so be gentle..

Got my first guitar for Christmas at 49 years old, so working through the BC currently and have been really enjoying the practice until stepping into stage 2 and the dreaded Dm. I came here out of sheer frustration and it's very encouraging to see that even experienced players still struggle with this Chord, so will be digging in for the long term.

The 1 minute changes are a real struggle, particularly Am to Dm, but also Amaj to Dm. i'm looking at my fingers and they just seem to belong to someone else when Dm is in the mix.

Tin hat on, provisions in the larder..... i'll report back in a month or so.

cheers
Title: Re: BC-123 • The Dmin Chord
Post by: MrBumble on February 22, 2019, 03:01:08 pm
Hello Darlo and welcome to the forums.

As you say lots of us have problems with some chords. There's no fixed pattern, my personal problem is with F, but I am not alone.

I did struggle with Dmin at first, and for a while I gave up on it. Then later on when I decided to have a go at "A Girl Like You" I found that it suddenly clicked. Often I think that the tricky bits are easier when you need them for a song rather than just for practice. There's more of a point to being able to play hat difficult chord.

Anyway, good vibes to you for asking your first question, hopefully the first of many.
Title: Re: BC-123 • The Dmin Chord
Post by: joueur de guitare on February 22, 2019, 03:21:09 pm
Hi All,

First post so be gentle..

Got my first guitar for Christmas at 49 years old, so working through the BC currently and have been really enjoying the practice until stepping into stage 2 and the dreaded Dm. I came here out of sheer frustration and it's very encouraging to see that even experienced players still struggle with this Chord, so will be digging in for the long term.

The 1 minute changes are a real struggle, particularly Am to Dm, but also Amaj to Dm. i'm looking at my fingers and they just seem to belong to someone else when Dm is in the mix.

Tin hat on, provisions in the larder..... i'll report back in a month or so.

cheers

Try using your little finger instead of your third on the B string.

Are you actually in Darlo?
Title: Re: BC-123 • The Dmin Chord
Post by: stitch101 on February 22, 2019, 04:33:09 pm
First off welco e to the forum.

Don't do the one minute change until you can play the chord. It will only frustate
you.
Try this make a Dm or any chord and stum it. Lift your fingers off the strings and
place them back down and strum again. Make sure it play clean. Repeat until you
can play the chord clean every time (or at least most of the time).

Next play the chord take you hand completely off the neck, them p,ay the chord again.
Like you doing the one minute change with 1 chord.

Once you can do that do the same thing but this time take your hand off the neck and
touch your knee thenplay the chord. Like doing the one minute change with 1 chord
and your knee. Do these exersices for 5 minutes every day and in a week you'll have
no trouble adding the Dm to your OMC practice routine.
Title: Re: BC-123 • The Dmin Chord
Post by: darlostrummer10 on March 11, 2019, 10:26:23 pm
First off welco e to the forum.

Don't do the one minute change until you can play the chord. It will only frustate
you.
Try this make a Dm or any chord and stum it. Lift your fingers off the strings and
place them back down and strum again. Make sure it play clean. Repeat until you
can play the chord clean every time (or at least most of the time).

Next play the chord take you hand completely off the neck, them p,ay the chord again.
Like you doing the one minute change with 1 chord.

Once you can do that do the same thing but this time take your hand off the neck and
touch your knee thenplay the chord. Like doing the one minute change with 1 chord
and your knee. Do these exersices for 5 minutes every day and in a week you'll have
no trouble adding the Dm to your OMC practice routine.
Just wanted to report in on my progress with Dm, this excercise has really helped with the Dm shape and I am now working on the suggested chord changes in the suggested stage 2 1 minute changes.

I still have a way to go, I am finding the A major to Dm the most difficult - currently at around 28 individual changes per minute. This was in the teens when I started however so do feel like I have made progress. I need to look at the chord fingering and strumming hand each time which really is eating up time as can't seem to pick out the strings yet for this combination, which is bizarre because I can some of the time with A Major to D major. just muscle memory I guess?

also is it typical to lose some of the progress made on other chord change pairs when you are learning new ones? I had stage 1 pairs at around 40 individual changes before moving to stage 2, and now these have dropped to mid 30's  :-\
Title: Re: BC-123 • The Dmin Chord
Post by: stitch101 on March 11, 2019, 11:31:19 pm
Sounds like you're making progress.  :)
Just keep at it. Slow and steady wins the race. Not that learning should be
a race.
Title: Re: BC-123 • The Dmin Chord
Post by: Peakoverload on March 14, 2019, 05:00:05 pm
I'm hitting a bit of a brick wall with Dmin. I mean I can play it fine but changing from pretty much any other chord to Dmin is much more of a struggle than any other, including Dmaj.

It's just that my hand struggles to find a secure 'grip' on the neck and I think it's when my first finger is on the first string. Any chord where my first finger is on other string and it's fine. When I try and do a Dmin quickly my fingers don't naturally fall into the right place and the guitar starts to feel a bit uncomfortable.

As a reference my 1 min changes for most other chords are in the 60's but all other chords to a Dmin are between 35-45 by comparison.

I think it might be down to my thumb position on the back of the neck as because I have big hands I really struggle to keep my thumb behind the neck and more often than not it ends up almost on top of the neck. If I consciously move my thumb lower down the neck I can feel that it is easier to form the chord shape for Dmin but as soon as I change to another chord, up it comes again.

Any tips on keeping my thumb low/moving my thumb to suit the chord?
Title: Re: BC-123 • The Dmin Chord
Post by: joueur de guitare on March 14, 2019, 05:19:08 pm
If your hands are that big just throw your thumb over the neck as an anchor.

There will now be howls of outrage. Ignore them, if it doesn't work try summat elsw :)
Title: Re: BC-123 • The Dmin Chord
Post by: DarrellW on March 14, 2019, 05:27:02 pm
It's all down to practice and adapting to playing it, you will get it and when it clicks you will wonder what all of the fuss was about. Don't worry about it and don't let it unnecessarily hold you back!

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Title: Re: BC-123 • The Dmin Chord
Post by: tobyjenner on March 15, 2019, 12:46:40 am
If you can play it clean in the pick/strum/pick exercise, just stick with the chord changes. Just do it real slow and allow your fingers and muscle memory to develop and find their place. Don't matter if its a change per minute, just get there slow and comfortable and then and only then ramp the speed up ... in baby steps. All of us find a chord combination that seems like a brick wall that we'll never conquer. But you just need to approach all of them slowly, get them clean and then think about speed.
Slowly slowly catchy monkey.  8)
Title: Re: BC-123 • The Dmin Chord
Post by: Peakoverload on March 15, 2019, 04:19:46 pm
Well that was interesting. Just did a 1min challenge Amin to Dmin but this time I forced myself to keep my thumb behind the neck and actually didn't set out to try and be fast but instead to be accurate. First attempt 55! And all of them sounded much better, much better in fact than any chord changes. So I'm going to go back and do all my chord changes again but rather than focus on speed I'm going to focus on keeping to a rhythm and being accurate.

The chords changes I do where I score in the high 60's low 70's are not 'bad', I don't count ones where my fingers are on the wrong strings, but I'd say that 5-10 of them might have a finger not in the best place in that if I were to to pick each string there would be a string that buzzes or is being muted slightly. The other 50-60 are all correct.

In fact whilst on the subject of accuracy. If I'm playing a song or something then 99% of the time (I think) I'm hitting the right strings with my picking hand but when doing the 1 minute changes I often find that the faster I get I start to miss strings, typically missing E and A strings (so my D chords sound great  ;)). Should I discount those from my count? I thought the purpose of this exercise was more about getting the left hand to move quickly and accurately and the pick/strum/pick exercise was about playing the chord correctly but I've read different opinions on this.
Title: Re: BC-123 • The Dmin Chord
Post by: stitch101 on March 15, 2019, 06:02:04 pm

I thought the purpose of this exercise was more about getting the left hand to move quickly and accurately and the pick/strum/pick exercise was about playing the chord correctly but I've read different opinions on this.

Your correct in you assumption but and this is a big but. "Practice Makes Permanent"
If you ever want to make quick chord changes practicing sloppy changes will make
you very good at fast sloppy changes.
If you want to make quick clean changes you must practice clean changes.

I'm not a big fan of the OMC exercise. To many people start doing it way to soon and
put way to much focus on speed. You must first be able to play the chords correctly
before you can become fast at changing between them.

I personally think your better off learning song and getting your chord changes up to
tempo. There are very few beginner song that need more than 1 chord changes per barre
and at 120 bpm that 30 changes a minute.


Title: Re: BC-123 • The Dmin Chord
Post by: darlostrummer10 on March 15, 2019, 07:26:54 pm

I personally think your better off learning song and getting your chord changes up to
tempo. There are very few beginner song that need more than 1 chord changes per barre
and at 120 bpm that 30 changes a minute.

This makes total sense to me, I think I have been placing too much emphasis on OMC as a measure of progress. Notwithstanding I'm learning walk of life (maybe should have gone with another track from the stage 1 songs where there isn't a change mid barre with the benefit of hindsight), I think I will focus on trying to achieve 30-35 clean changes instead of pushing too hard. 
Title: Re: BC-123 • The Dmin Chord
Post by: stitch101 on March 15, 2019, 07:55:32 pm
Speed will come with practice. As your finger get the muscle memory you will
 naturally improve. If your forcing the changes and practicing mistakes speed
will also come but with thise mistakes being part of the speed.

Walk of Life is a good one to start with. With the 2 chord in the barre if will force
you to make a fast change and it will force you to keep in time.
It is also one of those song that will grow with your playing. As you get better
you can play harder versions of the song.
Lay Down Sally is another good one that will grow with you as you improve.
Simple 4 to a barre A D E to start as you improve you add to the song.
Title: Re: BC-123 • The Dmin Chord
Post by: Kmcc on March 15, 2019, 09:18:50 pm
I'm glad that I finally got around to reading posts here.   Not only is it beneficial to learn that others are having exactly the same problems that I’m having, but it’s also good to pick up ideas that others have used to improve. Regarding Dmin, the suggestion of placing finger 3 down first helped me quite a bit.

I’m still in the early stages of learning Dmin.  When I keep my wrist and palm straight with my fingers parallel to the frets, I do OK.  Unfortunately, I have a bad habit of unconsciously over-flexing my wrist and curling my hand up towards the neck which places my fingers at an angle in relation to the frets. 

I’m sure practice will eliminate this.
Title: Re: BC-123 • The Dmin Chord
Post by: darlostrummer10 on April 14, 2019, 08:26:36 pm
Hi guys,

Still working hard on my minor chord changes, things are improving slowly, but improving they undoubtedly are. I'm still in the low 30's on one minute changes with the D minor chord in play, as such I don't feel I should move on to stage 3 just yet. Can anyone recommend a song from the beginners songbook that incorporates D minor, which will keep the practice interesting but also help with my transitions? I have learnt and continue to practice 3 little birds, that's alright mama and the walk of life.

Cheers
Title: Re: BC-123 • The Dmin Chord
Post by: joueur de guitare on April 14, 2019, 08:57:19 pm
Hi guys,

Still working hard on my minor chord changes, things are improving slowly, but improving they undoubtedly are. I'm still in the low 30's on one minute changes with the D minor chord in play, as such I don't feel I should move on to stage 3 just yet. Can anyone recommend a song from the beginners songbook that incorporates D minor, which will keep the practice interesting but also help with my transitions? I have learnt and continue to practice 3 little birds, that's alright mama and the walk of life.

Cheers

If you have the Beginner's Songbook, take a look and pick one!

For starters there's:

Staying with Marley, 'Natural Mystic' is all minor chords - Am Dm Em. So is 'A Girl Like You', and 'All My Love'. That's reggae, indie/pop rock, and blues to go on with :)
Title: Re: BC-123 • The Dmin Chord
Post by: brianlarsen on April 14, 2019, 09:54:18 pm
Can anyone recommend a song from the beginners songbook that incorporates D minor, which will keep the practice interesting but also help with my transitions?
Tom Waits' Chocolate Jesus- Am, Dm, & E
Great song and Justin goes through a variety of ways to play, from very simple to 'more intricate'  :)