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Title: BS-404 • Save Tonight (Eagle Eye Cherry)
Post by: justinguitar on July 14, 2008, 04:56:22 pm
Questions...

Lesson Link: http://justinguitar.com/en/BS-404-SaveTonight-EagleEyeCherry.php
Title: Re: BS-404 • Save Tonight (Eagle Eye Cherry)
Post by: justinguitar on February 23, 2009, 09:07:08 pm
So where do you put the hammer-on on the c-chord, on the first down or up strum?

The hammer goes down just after the first down strum on the C.
Title: Re: BS-404 • Save Tonight (Eagle Eye Cherry)
Post by: borth1967 on April 05, 2011, 10:31:46 pm
looking for the strum patteren justin uses in his vid, and especially when he palm mutes. just strugglin abit with it.
ta
jon
Title: Re: BS-404 • Save Tonight (Eagle Eye Cherry)
Post by: steveo2 on April 07, 2011, 05:32:41 pm
looking for the strum patteren justin uses in his vid, and especially when he palm mutes. just strugglin abit with it.
ta
jon
Most of the cool stuff is a down stroke or beat.
I can not think of too many songs there are some that accent more of the down beat, Pride and Joy SRV song strums up all the way thru the song.
Maybe a comparative  song will help you.
For me there is but one song and one man to teach up all this.
Hello I'm Johnny Cash, with no training he just plays there was no drummer in his early group, so Johnny strummed in a percussive manner.
The little shoe shine boy he never get down , he got the dirties job in town.
You need to get rhythm
About any old Ray Charles song teach you some fine syncopation's.
Drum lesson also the best advise I can give about any musician, sound crazy but it true no one know rhythm like a drummer.
Good luck
Every one who learns guitar sucks at this and or they put to much thought into it,  by this i mean you just strum it up down or down up.
Song that use all down or all up stand out.
Strum it the way you want if it was finger picking I say about the same just pick it.

The song has that Last Dance with Mary Jane vibe.
You will learn how to mute i think it just comes with playing, lesson may help speed this but you will get it the ringing notes will suck and you will find a way to stop sucking, kind of takes time.
I would put a link up someone else may be able to give some better advice.
 ;D
Title: Re: BS-404 • Save Tonight (Eagle Eye Cherry)
Post by: richy on April 09, 2011, 03:12:44 pm
Hi jon
just been learning this myself along with Justins really usefull strumming techniques vol2 and i think the strumming pattern is
 1 + 2 +a3e+4 +a1 + 2 +a3e+4 +a   (16th note strumming-change chord on the bold "a")

What im struggling with is the upstroke after the dampened downstroke- i dont seem to be able to get the pick at the right angle  and it keeps digging in.  Oh well! practice,practice,practice.

richy   
Title: Re: BS-404 • Save Tonight (Eagle Eye Cherry)
Post by: sophiehiker on August 08, 2012, 09:37:38 pm
@bruljon, I watched the vid again and I don't think so.  I think what you're seeing are his fingers fly around a bit during the "muted strum", also known as a "chuck".

http://www.justinguitar.com/en/IM-145-Rhythm16-4.php (http://www.justinguitar.com/en/IM-145-Rhythm16-4.php)
Title: Re: BS-404 • Save Tonight (Eagle Eye Cherry)
Post by: stitch101 on August 09, 2012, 03:12:26 am
Justin is using hammer ons and pull off. That's what you hearing.
Title: Re: BS-404 • Save Tonight (Eagle Eye Cherry)
Post by: GuitarMaster on February 16, 2014, 05:47:06 pm
Are the muted strums on the down beats only, or are they on  the down beats and the up beats?
Title: Re: BS-404 • Save Tonight (Eagle Eye Cherry)
Post by: Dodarino on June 10, 2014, 10:39:27 am
Hi everyone,

First post here so I'll try and keep it quick, been searching the forums and haven't found the answer to this question I've had for this song. With the chord progression in the Beginner's Songbook of |Am   Fmaj7| C   G| are we supposed to do two beats per chord? So would it be Am for two beats then Fmaj7 for two beats, C for two, G for two? Or is it four beats per chord? Apologies if this sounds dumb but I'm having one of those moments where I can't for the life of me work it out in my head.

Also on a more general level, when a song has the the straight bars, such as "|C     G|" or something to that effect does that imply that it's only two beats per note as opposed to four?

Thanks all,

Jason.
Title: Re: BS-404 • Save Tonight (Eagle Eye Cherry)
Post by: stitch101 on June 10, 2014, 04:21:22 pm
The two straight bars |    | is one Barre or 4 beats so yes when two chord appear between the bars that
2 beat each. Or in the case of Save Tonight the rhythm is 1/8 notes so 8 beats but the strumming is a
little tricky watch the video over and over until you get the strumming down.

http://www.justinguitar.com/en/ST-507-SaveTonight.php
Title: Re: BS-404 • Save Tonight (Eagle Eye Cherry)
Post by: carlyxjack on January 26, 2015, 10:56:05 am
I have a few questions. The G and the Fmaj7 chords seem to be different than from the beginner course. Can I just play with the G and Fmaj7 from the beginner course ?
Besides i would really appreciate if someone can write out the whole strumming pattern for the correct strumming pattern. I try to listen  to what Justin said, but it's to quick for me to write out  the strumming pattern.
Much thanks in advance!
Title: Re: BS-404 • Save Tonight (Eagle Eye Cherry)
Post by: stitch101 on January 26, 2015, 04:30:53 pm
Yes you can but you should learn the the versions Justin is using. In the Fm7 he is adding a C bass note
giving it a fuller sound and it fits with the Am and C chord. The G he is using as he explains in the video
is just easier the get to. You can use the regular G if you wont to. 
Title: Re: BS-404 • Save Tonight (Eagle Eye Cherry)
Post by: justinguitar on January 27, 2015, 11:21:14 am
@carlyxjack the strum pattern is written out in the book - perhaps you might like to buy one ;)

@Dodarino the | lines are bar lines and while the chords within them will most likely be evenly spaced - they are not always... so you have to do some lisening - but you should be doing that anyhow.

@GuitarMaster the muted notes have more effect on the down strums to get the percussive hit going on but it's kinda there a bit for the ups too - you have to experiment a bit - very hard to explain in detail!
Title: Re: BS-404 • Save Tonight (Eagle Eye Cherry)
Post by: jswartz on January 28, 2015, 12:20:36 am
In the lesson he says to palm mute on the beat and to hammer-on the a minor right after the first down strum. However, sine the first down strum is palm muted (the first down strum occurs on beat 1), this doesn't make sense. Are you only supposed to palm mute on beats 2, 3, and 4?  Or by first down strum does he mean on the 'and' of one? Thank you!
Title: Re: BS-404 • Save Tonight (Eagle Eye Cherry)
Post by: shadowscott007 on January 28, 2015, 01:10:01 am
It does make sense beacause  you don't completely choke the chord out.  You hit on one and hammer on the next 16th 'e' because you are hitting another down stroke on the 'and'.

Works pretty much the same for hammering the E note on the C chord.

Shadow
Title: Re: BS-404 • Save Tonight (Eagle Eye Cherry)
Post by: VisualAcid on February 02, 2015, 08:50:58 pm
Can I just ask a quick question about holding the pick during the muted strums, does anyone find it keeps coming loose after a few bars? I'm left handed playing right handed which has been an issue for a while but I can't seem to keep the pick in place as I have to use a slightly looser grip to strum and palm mute.

Thanks.
Title: Re: BS-404 • Save Tonight (Eagle Eye Cherry)
Post by: justinguitar on February 03, 2015, 09:19:38 am
@VisualAcid just need to experiment with how hard you hold it - and also look at the angle of the pick against the strings, that can cause a problem for some people - but there's no 'right way' you need to find your way ;)
Title: Re: BS-404 • Save Tonight (Eagle Eye Cherry)
Post by: Itzaak on February 03, 2015, 02:45:55 pm
Hi folks. I have a question regarding the rhythm of the song. So I can replicate the strumming pattern (without the muting part), but in that case I simply can not match the rhythm, it always seem too slow. And, slow as it gets, it sounds completely like a different song. So my question is what would be the approximated BPM for the rhythm, if I would to set the metronome? I experimented a bit myself, and it seems it should go to 130 beats, but my hearing is not that good, so sometimes it seems like more?

Regards
I.
Title: Re: BS-404 • Save Tonight (Eagle Eye Cherry)
Post by: SiegeFrog on February 03, 2015, 06:31:11 pm
More like 120 BPM
Title: Re: BS-404 • Save Tonight (Eagle Eye Cherry)
Post by: Tryllelars on April 10, 2016, 10:20:56 pm
Hello everyone  :)

I find the stretch between the third and fourth finger in the particular G chord very hard. I tend to bend the fourth finger so that it touches the string with the side of the finger rather than the tip, and that is no good :P Does anyone have any advice, or could recommend me an exercise that I could do in order to improve my dexterity between these two fingers?

Thanks.
Title: Re: BS-404 • Save Tonight (Eagle Eye Cherry)
Post by: nevkam on October 07, 2016, 05:23:43 pm
Does anyone know how to explain why the two finger G produces the same sound as the "standard" G Justin taught us in Stage 3, other than, "it just does, man!"
Title: Re: BS-404 • Save Tonight (Eagle Eye Cherry)
Post by: stitch101 on October 07, 2016, 06:45:23 pm
The notes that make up a G major chord are G B D. When you play the three finger G you are playing
from Low E to high e G B D G B G. You are playing 3 Roots, 2 3rds and 1 5th.
When you play the 4 finger G chord or Rock G you are playing
from Low E to high e G B D G D G. You are playing 3 Roots. 1 3rd and 2 5ths.
Same note just more of one and less of the other.
Title: Re: BS-404 • Save Tonight (Eagle Eye Cherry)
Post by: Omar on October 24, 2016, 11:27:58 pm
Hello everyone  :)

I find the stretch between the third and fourth finger in the particular G chord very hard. I tend to bend the fourth finger so that it touches the string with the side of the finger rather than the tip, and that is no good :P Does anyone have any advice, or could recommend me an exercise that I could do in order to improve my dexterity between these two fingers?

Thanks.

If you relax Ring finger and make touch (mute) 5th string, your pinky will have more room to fret 1st string with its' tip. Just practice the song, best trick ever. And btw, you'd need the same chord in Fast Car.
Title: Re: BS-404 • Save Tonight (Eagle Eye Cherry)
Post by: Omar on October 26, 2016, 10:54:45 am
I have some questions regarding this extra challenging song.

1- Apart from strum/hand mute technique, is it recommended to mute both E strings on Amin, Fmaj7 and C using thumb and index fingers? or only big E? I'm asking because I just started learning the song and faced two issues with small E.

  1) It's difficult to hand mute it
  2) My ears reject it; it is too high.

2- Justin uses Fmaj7 (4 fingers) shown below, is it because its difficult to mute E and A strings? Although it's possible to use Fmaj7 (3 fingers) and mute A with index finger's tip and mute E with thumb.

I like to try different combinations, but still don't want to acquire bad techniques.

Edit: here's a video of my 2nd day practice. You can notice the annoying small E. Is it normal? is it my technique? I'm not hand muting here, just FYI.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/2di4uu5a22nn4fj/Video%2025-10-2016%2C%209%2051%2014%20PM.mov?dl=0
Title: Re: BS-404 • Save Tonight (Eagle Eye Cherry)
Post by: WhereTheStreetsHaveNoName on November 01, 2016, 12:17:26 pm
I have been struggling myself a lot on this one.
However I am not sure if this:
1 + 2 +a3e+4 +a1 + 2 +a3e+4 +a   (16th note strumming-change chord on the bold "a")
sounds like in the original.

The closest I have come to is :DD U*DUDDDU *DD U*DUDDDU

* indicate chord changes

Would love if someone can correct/confirm to the above.

Cheers,
R
Title: Re: BS-404 • Save Tonight (Eagle Eye Cherry)
Post by: Matt125 on November 01, 2016, 07:49:14 pm
Did you know that you can slow down the videos on youtube?

Here is Justin's video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nEXrt8nh4r0

In the bottom right corner click on the settings icon (the one that looks like a gear wheel.  A window will popup giving you the option to adjust speed.  Select a speed of 0.5 and you can see the strumming pattern more clearly.
Title: Re: BS-404 • Save Tonight (Eagle Eye Cherry)
Post by: Omar on November 01, 2016, 10:30:41 pm
1 + 2 + a 3 e + 4 + a 1
D D D D U D U D D D U D

1(D) +(D) 2(D) +(D) a(U*) 3(D) e(U) +(D) 4(D) +(D*) a(U)
Amin                                  Fmaj7                               C

1(D) +(D) 2(D) +(D) a(U*) 3(D) e(U) +(D) 4(D) +(D*) a(U)
C                                       G                                      Amin

@WhereTheStreetsHaveNoName

This is how I do it. You change after the first UP strum (*) and DOWN strum (3) then UP strum (e). I hope I'm not mistaken.
Title: Re: BS-404 • Save Tonight (Eagle Eye Cherry)
Post by: Omar on November 02, 2016, 11:07:13 am
1 + 2 + a 3 e + 4 + a 1
D D D D U D U D D D U D

1(D) +(D) 2(D) +(D) a(U*) 3(D) e(U) +(D) 4(D) +(D*) a(U)
Amin                                  Fmaj7                               C

1(D) +(D) 2(D) +(D) a(U*) 3(D) e(U) +(D) 4(D) +(D*) a(U)
C                                       G                                      Amin

@WhereTheStreetsHaveNoName

This is how I do it. You change after the first UP strum (*) and DOWN strum (3) then UP strum (e). I hope I'm not mistaken.

I played the pattern again last night, I was mistaken in the change a(U).

1(D) +(D) 2(D) +(D) a(U*) 3(D) e(U) +(D) 4(D) +(D) a(U) (*)-> change to C after UP strum
Amin                                   Fmaj7                                     

1(D) +(D) 2(D) +(D) a(U*) 3(D) e(U) +(D) 4(D) +(D) a(U) (*)-> change to Amin after UP strum
C                                        G                                             

To simplify it:

Amin:   D D D D U
Fmaj7: D U D D D U
C:        D D D D U
G:        D U D D D U

I hope this helps.
Title: Re: BS-404 • Save Tonight (Eagle Eye Cherry)
Post by: jtbrown1 on November 04, 2016, 11:11:01 pm
Did you know that you can slow down the videos on youtube?

Here is Justin's video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nEXrt8nh4r0

In the bottom right corner click on the settings icon (the one that looks like a gear wheel.  A window will popup giving you the option to adjust speed.  Select a speed of 0.5 and you can see the strumming pattern more clearly.
This may not be possible when using a tablet... Might only work from a computer browser.

Sent from my Nexus 7 using Tapatalk

Title: Re: BS-404 • Save Tonight (Eagle Eye Cherry)
Post by: captainamerica on December 18, 2016, 08:15:15 pm
I played the pattern again last night, I was mistaken in the change a(U).

1(D) +(D) 2(D) +(D) a(U*) 3(D) e(U) +(D) 4(D) +(D) a(U) (*)-> change to C after UP strum
Amin                                   Fmaj7                                     

1(D) +(D) 2(D) +(D) a(U*) 3(D) e(U) +(D) 4(D) +(D) a(U) (*)-> change to Amin after UP strum
C                                        G                                             

To simplify it:

Amin:   D D D D U
Fmaj7: D U D D D U
C:        D D D D U
G:        D U D D D U

I hope this helps.

Interesting you laid out the pattern this way; I've watched the video repeatedly from 5:01 on to also try to ascertain the strumming pattern. 

If I understand your layout above, there is an added 16th note after the "2 and" / "3 and"  / "4 and"?  If Justin is playing all 8th notes there cannot be 3 notes for the beat plus the "and" unless the "and" is split into two 16th notes. 

Is that what is happening here because according to the book there is only an up-strum at the 3-and and the 4-and?
Title: Re: BS-404 • Save Tonight (Eagle Eye Cherry)
Post by: Omar on December 19, 2016, 04:13:25 pm
@captainamerica To be honest, I still haven't dove into 8th/16th, so I can't be of help here. However, note that there are two hammers-on  - I assume you them about them already - before 1(D) in Amin and the second one before 1(D) in C.

I hope someone experienced can explain and answer your question :)
Title: Re: BS-404 • Save Tonight (Eagle Eye Cherry)
Post by: shadowscott007 on December 20, 2016, 01:55:15 pm
The key is to follow through the video, step by step as indicated.  Depending on where you are on your learning journey you may spend a week on each step, or a few minutes on each step - beginner and intermediate respectively.

Also doing something like the following, probably with pen and paper, for each step is immensely helpful.  Something about writing it down and having a visual representation - particularly how each step adds on to the previous step - is huge.

As you gain experience with more and more techniques, the need for this kind of detail diminishes.  But I went with the full monty here assuming complete beginnerhood, and as a recommendation of how to approach solving issues like this on your own:

Code: [Select]
@2:57 First step, basic strumming, get this working first:

     Am          Fmaj7         C           G
     D     D     D     D       D     D     D     D
     1  +  2  +  3  +  4  +    1  +  2  +  3  +  4  + 
e|---0-----0-----0-----0----|--0-----0-----3-----3----|
B|---1-----1-----1-----1----|--1-----1-----0-----0----|
G|o--2-----2-----2-----2----|--0-----0-----0-----0---o|
D|o--2-----2-----3-----3----|--2-----2-----0-----0---o|
A|---0-----0-----3-----3----|--3-----3-----x-----x----|
E|--------------------------|--------------3-----3----|

@3:30 Slightly more complex, more like the song - but not quite, strumming.  Get this working next:

     Am          Fmaj7         C           G
     D     D     D  U  D       D     D     D  U  D
     1  +  2  +  3  +  4  +    1  +  2  +  3  +  4  + 
e|---0-----0-----0--0--0----|--0-----0-----3--3--3----|
B|---1-----1-----1--1--1----|--1-----1-----0--0--0----|
G|o--2-----2-----2--2--2----|--0-----0-----0--0--0---o|
D|o--2-----2-----3--3--3----|--2-----2-----0--0--0---o|
A|---0-----0-----3--3--3----|--3-----3-----x--x--x----|
E|--------------------------|--------------3--3--3----|


@4:15  Even closer - all down strums on the eighth notes.  Get this working. 

     Am          Fmaj7         C           G
     D  d  D  d  D  d  D  d    D  d  D  d  D  d  D  d
     1  +  2  +  3  +  4  +    1  +  2  +  3  +  4  + 
e|---0--0--0--0--0--0--0--0-|--0--0--0--0--3--3--3--3--|
B|---1--1--1--1--1--1--1--1-|--1--1--1--1--0--0--0--0--|
G|o--2--2--2--2--2--2--2--2-|--0--0--0--0--0--0--0--0-o|
D|o--2--2--2--2--3--3--3--3-|--2--2--2--2--0--0--0--0-o|
A|---0--0--0--0--3--3--3--3-|--3--3--3--3--x--x--x--x--|
E|--------------------------|--------------3--3--3--3--|


@5:00 Actual pattern on just the Am chord.  Again only after the above intermediate steps are working comfortably:

    Am (throughout)
    D     d     D     d  u  D  u  d     D     d  u
    1  e  +  a  2  e  +  a  3  e  +  a  4  e  +  a   
e|--0-----0-----0-----0--0--0--0--0-----0-----0--0--|
B|--1-----1-----1-----1--1--1--1--1-----1-----1--1--|
G|o-2-----2-----2-----2--2--2--2--2-----2-----2--2-o|
D|o-2-----2-----2-----2--2--2--2--2-----2-----2--2-o|
A|--0-----0-----0-----0--0--0--0--0-----0-----0--0--|
E|--------------------------------------------------|


@6:00 Actual pattern with the timing of the chord changes.  The change to the second chord of each bar, the Fmaj7 and G, occurs on the "e" after beat 3.  Again only after the above intermediate steps are working comfortably:

     Am                         Fmaj7
     D     d     D     d  u  D  u  d     D     d  u
     1  e  +  a  2  e  +  a  3  e  +  a  4  e  +  a 
e|---0-----0-----0-----0--0--0--0--0-----0-----0--0-|
B|---1-----1-----1-----1--1--1--1--1-----1-----1--1-|
G|o--2-----2-----2-----2--2--2--2--2-----2-----2--2-|
D|o--2-----2-----2-----2--2--2--3--3-----3-----3--3-|
A|---0-----0-----0-----0--0--0--3--3-----3-----3--3-|
E|--------------------------------------------------|

    C                          G
    D     d     D     d  u  D  u  d     D     d  u
    1  e  +  a  2  e  +  a  3  e  +  a  4  e  +  a 
e|--0-----0-----0-----0--0--0--3--3-----3-----3--3---|
B|--1-----1-----1-----1--1--1--0--0-----0-----0--0---|
G|--0-----0-----0-----0--0--0--0--0-----0-----0--0--o|
D|--2-----2-----2-----2--2--2--0--0-----0-----0--0--o|
A|--3-----3-----3-----3--3--3--x--x-----x-----x--x---|
E|-----------------------------3--3-----3-----3--3---|


@6:45 Same pattern as the 6 minute mark, but adding some palm mutes on the beat, meaning on 1 2 3 4, notated as "D" [capital D rather than lower case d].  Again get this down before moving on.


@7:25 Finally adding the hammer ons:


     Am                         Fmaj7
     D     d     D     d  u  D  u  d     D     d  u
     1  e  +  a  2  e  +  a  3  e  +  a  4  e  +  a 
e|---0-----0-----0-----0--0--0--0--0-----0-----0--0-|
B|---1-----1-----1-----1--1--1--1--1-----1-----1--1-|
G|o--0-h2--2-----2-----2--2--2--2--2-----2-----2--2-|
D|o--0-h2--2-----2-----2--2--2--3--3-----3-----3--3-|
A|---0-----0-----0-----0--0--0--3--3-----3-----3--3-|
E|--------------------------------------------------|

    C                          G
    D     d     D     d  u  D  u  d     D     d  u
    1  e  +  a  2  e  +  a  3  e  +  a  4  e  +  a 
e|--0-----0-----0-----0--0--0--3--3-----3-----3--3---|
B|--1-----1-----1-----1--1--1--0--0-----0-----0--0---|
G|--0-----0-----0-----0--0--0--0--0-----0-----0--0--o|
D|--0-h2--2-----2-----2--2--2--0--0-----0-----0--0--o|
A|--3-----3-----3-----3--3--3--x--x-----x-----x--x---|
E|-----------------------------3--3-----3-----3--3---|

@2:57 First step, basic strumming, get this working first:

     Am          Fmaj7         C           G
     D     D     D     D       D     D     D     D
     1  +  2  +  3  +  4  +    1  +  2  +  3  +  4  + 
e|---0-----0-----0-----0----|--0-----0-----3-----3----|
B|---1-----1-----1-----1----|--1-----1-----0-----0----|
G|o--2-----2-----2-----2----|--0-----0-----0-----0---o|
D|o--2-----2-----3-----3----|--2-----2-----0-----0---o|
A|---0-----0-----3-----3----|--3-----3-----x-----x----|
E|--------------------------|--------------3-----3----|

@3:30 Slightly more complex, more like the song - but not quite, strumming.  Get this working next:

     Am          Fmaj7         C           G
     D     D     D  U  D       D     D     D  U  D
     1  +  2  +  3  +  4  +    1  +  2  +  3  +  4  + 
e|---0-----0-----0--0--0----|--0-----0-----3--3--3----|
B|---1-----1-----1--1--1----|--1-----1-----0--0--0----|
G|o--2-----2-----2--2--2----|--0-----0-----0--0--0---o|
D|o--2-----2-----3--3--3----|--2-----2-----0--0--0---o|
A|---0-----0-----3--3--3----|--3-----3-----x--x--x----|
E|--------------------------|--------------3--3--3----|


@4:15  Even closer - all down strums on the eighth notes.  Get this working. 

     Am          Fmaj7         C           G
     D  d  D  d  D  d  D  d    D  d  D  d  D  d  D  d
     1  +  2  +  3  +  4  +    1  +  2  +  3  +  4  + 
e|---0--0--0--0--0--0--0--0-|--0--0--0--0--3--3--3--3--|
B|---1--1--1--1--1--1--1--1-|--1--1--1--1--0--0--0--0--|
G|o--2--2--2--2--2--2--2--2-|--0--0--0--0--0--0--0--0-o|
D|o--2--2--2--2--3--3--3--3-|--2--2--2--2--0--0--0--0-o|
A|---0--0--0--0--3--3--3--3-|--3--3--3--3--x--x--x--x--|
E|--------------------------|--------------3--3--3--3--|


@5:00 Actual pattern on just the Am chord.  Again only after the above intermediate steps are working comfortably:

    Am (throughout)
    D     d     D     d  u  D  u  d     D     d  u
    1  e  +  a  2  e  +  a  3  e  +  a  4  e  +  a   
e|--0-----0-----0-----0--0--0--0--0-----0-----0--0--|
B|--1-----1-----1-----1--1--1--1--1-----1-----1--1--|
G|o-2-----2-----2-----2--2--2--2--2-----2-----2--2-o|
D|o-2-----2-----2-----2--2--2--2--2-----2-----2--2-o|
A|--0-----0-----0-----0--0--0--0--0-----0-----0--0--|
E|--------------------------------------------------|


@6:00 Actual pattern with the timing of the chord changes.  The change to the second chord of each bar, the Fmaj7 and G, occurs on the "e" after beat 3.  Again only after the above intermediate steps are working comfortably:

     Am                         Fmaj7
     D     d     D     d  u  D  u  d     D     d  u
     1  e  +  a  2  e  +  a  3  e  +  a  4  e  +  a 
e|---0-----0-----0-----0--0--0--0--0-----0-----0--0-|
B|---1-----1-----1-----1--1--1--1--1-----1-----1--1-|
G|o--2-----2-----2-----2--2--2--2--2-----2-----2--2-|
D|o--2-----2-----2-----2--2--2--3--3-----3-----3--3-|
A|---0-----0-----0-----0--0--0--3--3-----3-----3--3-|
E|--------------------------------------------------|

    C                          G
    D     d     D     d  u  D  u  d     D     d  u
    1  e  +  a  2  e  +  a  3  e  +  a  4  e  +  a 
e|--0-----0-----0-----0--0--0--3--3-----3-----3--3---|
B|--1-----1-----1-----1--1--1--0--0-----0-----0--0---|
G|--0-----0-----0-----0--0--0--0--0-----0-----0--0--o|
D|--2-----2-----2-----2--2--2--0--0-----0-----0--0--o|
A|--3-----3-----3-----3--3--3--x--x-----x-----x--x---|
E|-----------------------------3--3-----3-----3--3---|


@6:45 Same pattern as the 6 minute mark, but adding some palm mutes on the beat, meaning on 1 2 3 4, notated as "D" [capital D rather than lower case d].  Again get this down before moving on.


@7:25 Finally adding the hammer ons:


     Am                         Fmaj7
     D     d     D     d  u  D  u  d     D     d  u
     1  e  +  a  2  e  +  a  3  e  +  a  4  e  +  a 
e|---0-----0-----0-----0--0--0--0--0-----0-----0--0-|
B|---1-----1-----1-----1--1--1--1--1-----1-----1--1-|
G|o--0-h2--2-----2-----2--2--2--2--2-----2-----2--2-|
D|o--0-h2--2-----2-----2--2--2--3--3-----3-----3--3-|
A|---0-----0-----0-----0--0--0--3--3-----3-----3--3-|
E|--------------------------------------------------|

    C                          G
    D     d     D     d  u  D  u  d     D     d  u
    1  e  +  a  2  e  +  a  3  e  +  a  4  e  +  a 
e|--0-----0-----0-----0--0--0--3--3-----3-----3--3---|
B|--1-----1-----1-----1--1--1--0--0-----0-----0--0---|
G|--0-----0-----0-----0--0--0--0--0-----0-----0--0--o|
D|--0-h2--2-----2-----2--2--2--0--0-----0-----0--0--o|
A|--3-----3-----3-----3--3--3--x--x-----x-----x--x---|
E|-----------------------------3--3-----3-----3--3---|



Put it in a code window if any one wants to copy it more easily.  Also listed it in the body of the post for easier viewing.

Times are per Justin's lesson video.

Go slow and do each step or prepare to be frustrated.

Shadow

Title: Re: BS-404 • Save Tonight (Eagle Eye Cherry)
Post by: SiegeFrog on December 20, 2016, 04:31:58 pm
Shadow, I think that settles that. You have more patience than I. Good vibes for that.
Title: Re: BS-404 • Save Tonight (Eagle Eye Cherry)
Post by: Omar on December 20, 2016, 05:13:29 pm
Shadow, this is absolutely amazing! thank you and Good vibes :)
Title: Re: BS-404 • Save Tonight (Eagle Eye Cherry)
Post by: Omar on December 20, 2016, 07:29:39 pm
@captainamerica the progression is Amin, Fmaj7, C and G (folk G).
Title: Re: BS-404 • Save Tonight (Eagle Eye Cherry)
Post by: shadowscott007 on December 20, 2016, 08:44:24 pm
Cap'n,

1)  Counting 4/4 time.

     Quarter note (4 per bar):  1  2  3  4  every beat gets one pulse
 
     Eighth note (8 per bar):  1 and 2 and 3 and 4 and --> which I represent as:  1  +  2  +  3  +  4  +
    every beat gets two pulses

     16th note (16 per bar):  1 ee and a  2 ee and a  3 ee and a  4 ee and a --> which I represent as
     1 e  + a  2 e + a  3 e + a  4 e + a  every beat gets 4 pulses.

     In all cases the 1 2 3 4 are in the same "spot" so yes you are stuffing extra strums/pick in between. 

     So quarter notes to eighth notes you add an extra pulse, the "and" between the 4 beats 1 2 3 4.

     Then eighth to sixteenth the 1 2 3 4 and the "ands" are all in the same "spot" and you add an
     extra strum/pick inbetween the beats and the "ands".

     The "magic" in the rhythm of this song is as much in the 16th notes you skip as in the ones that you 
     play.

2)  In the video I watched the chords and the fingerings I have listed are the chords and fingerings
     Justin shows.
     Watch again:  https://www.justinguitar.com/en/BS-404-SaveTonight-EagleEyeCherry.php
     At about 1:25 he states quite clearly "Am, Fmaj7, C, and G."  Then he gives the fingerings as shown.

3)  Likewise to quote,  "...its the up after 3..."  Listen to him count while he plays.  He changes the
     chord on the "e" after 3.  Just watched it again... watch his face/head as he counts and strums - he
     emphasizes the change with his body language.

     Tab is accurate to Justin's video.  Sounds like you tried to jump right to the end.  Try counting along:
     1   and   2   and a 3 ee and   4   and a, D   d   D   d u D u d   D   d u...

     I'll put in the "skipped" strums in parentheses:
     1 (e)  and (a) 2 (e)   and a 3 ee and (a) 4 (e) and a, D (u)  d (u)  D (u)  d u D u d (u) D   d u...


4)  Probably not.  Rewind is your friend.

Shadow

P.S.  All of which is wrong if we are talking about Mr. Jones by Counting Crows   ;)
Title: Re: BS-404 • Save Tonight (Eagle Eye Cherry)
Post by: justinguitar on December 28, 2016, 12:50:05 pm
Great worth here Shadow, but no more full tabs like this or I might get in trouble!! I'll leave this one here but especially because I work with publishers for my books, I have to be careful not to take the mickey and allow tabs on my site or forum or I might start finding it harder to get licensing!

But great breakdown of how it can be approached! :) merry xmas!
Title: Re: BS-404 • Save Tonight (Eagle Eye Cherry)
Post by: shadowscott007 on December 28, 2016, 08:34:36 pm
 :(  Sorry about that!  If it needs to come down, tear down the wall.

Maybe just the final step?  Before that it could be considered a progression and a strumming pattern.

Apologies again.  My bad.  Getting you and yours in trouble is the last thing I want!

Sad Shadow
Title: Re: BS-404 • Save Tonight (Eagle Eye Cherry)
Post by: ArtSharon on August 31, 2017, 10:42:06 pm
I have a question about the strumming.  I've got the pattern down, and I'm palm muting off and on -- and it's not bad if I go slow, but the faster I get, the more my pick gets caught up in the strings and it's not smooth.  Any advice?
Title: Re: BS-404 • Save Tonight (Eagle Eye Cherry)
Post by: DavidP on September 01, 2017, 07:06:29 am
Patience  :)

Keep practising it and picking up the tempo to the point where you are still in control.  And over time the tempo at that point will pick up.

I'd go as strong as to say don't play it at a tempo where it breaks down.  When you reach that point immediately back down to get back into control.  Practising what is not working will just strengthen poor technique.

Don't believe there are any shortcuts  ;)
Title: Re: BS-404 • Save Tonight (Eagle Eye Cherry)
Post by: DarrellW on September 01, 2017, 07:24:10 am
Play it using a metronome at a tempo you can get it right and gradually build up to tempo, it will take a time so patience is important - more haste, less speed!
Title: Re: BS-404 • Save Tonight (Eagle Eye Cherry)
Post by: ArtSharon on September 01, 2017, 07:27:39 pm
Yes patience!  I do struggle with that one. You're both right!
And I also think the idea of stopping before you're messing up is good.  I do have a tendency to practice my mistakes.

Thanks guys!
Title: Re: BS-404 • Save Tonight (Eagle Eye Cherry)
Post by: DarrellW on September 01, 2017, 08:02:07 pm
I do have a tendency to practice my mistakes.
Thanks guys!
That is going to kill your progress dead in its tracks, golden rule 'Don't practice mistakes, go slower until you get it right' This is perhaps THE most important one.
Title: Re: BS-404 • Save Tonight (Eagle Eye Cherry)
Post by: Orlando on January 01, 2019, 08:41:06 am
I'm not sure this song fits in the Beginner section... 16th note strumming, a kinda tricky change to F, pushing the change, palm muting.
There's a lot here. But I guess you can start off easy, and add complexity as you go.

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Title: Re: BS-404 • Save Tonight (Eagle Eye Cherry)
Post by: kuba9005 on January 22, 2019, 06:37:58 pm
Hey guys,

One thing I have a major (no pun intended) problem with is the E string.
I try muting it with my thumb, however I find myself touching the high E string with the palm of my hand sometimes or the string touches my first finger and makes a really terrible sound.
On the other hand, when I try to play with my thumb behind the neck, it's awkwart to mute the E string with my ring finger (I got used to playing C like that, but in case of Fmaj7 it's still hard to pull off for me).

Another thing is that the high E string doesn't really sound good to my ears, even if it's ringing out properly.
I have a feeling like it overpowers the rest of the strings' sound.

Any advice you guys can share from your own experience?