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Title: CH-001 • Basic Open Chords
Post by: justinguitar on July 14, 2008, 04:27:30 pm
Questions...

Lesson Link: http://www.justinguitar.com/en/CH-001-BasicOpen.php
Title: Re: CH-001 • Basic Open Chords
Post by: photography27 on September 27, 2008, 02:25:09 pm
Please tellme how to do an easier A chord PPPLLLEEEAAASSSEEEE, i have big fingers and i cant squeeze them all in, i'm a newbie of about 10 days playing.
i have tried the 1 2 3 finger position, the 2 1 3 finger position, its all still a squeeze. I'm on an accoustic.
thanks
mik
Title: Re: CH-001 • Basic Open Chords
Post by: BaNa on October 01, 2008, 11:13:46 am
Mik, you have to put more effort into your question, if you want people to put effort into a reply (it's only fair?). That goes for every one else who uses crap texted style question and then expect a concise reply. U no hu u r.

Every one struggles within the first days/weeks. I do and did.  Your question doesn't make sense but I am guessing you, like me are looking down at the old Walls Sausages and thinking how the heck can I get those into that tiny little chord shape  ??? Two answers.

1.  Time and practice:   Will eventually crunch those little porkers into the the Barre. It's important to look at the strings around the fingers.  If the string next to the finger which is holding down a note, is not being played, don't be afraid to rest against it. For instance in the C chord, it's OK to rest the index finger against the open E string, which will only mute it and stop that pudgy index muting the D.  Trust me, it's amazing to look back after a few months a remember how hard you found the D Chord and how easy it has become. It gives you the confidence to know, that when you get a new Chord which is HARD as hell, you can persist with it, knowing it will eventually be as easy as the D has become.

2.  Customize:   Some times it just won't work. There is just no way of stuffing those Porkers into that tiny Gap. Now I should add here in defence of those that might say I am having a go at Fat People "It's not the case"  I am not fat or even close to it, it's just like many I am blessed with short, strong, handsome ;) if slightly portly fingers. This for those of you that don't know means we have Pads much bigger than your average? player. I have met loads of Chubby players with the slenderest of fingers.
So use those fingers to your advantage and hold down two strings if needs be, where people with pin head fingers haven't the hope in hell of crunching two strings to the board.

A recent example of my own custom hold, is in Justins Triad lessons. Shape 1.   Justin Barres two strings with his index and holds the G string down with his middle finger. My Middle finger won't get in there. It wants to mute the strings around it and the string of my neighbours Ukulele, it just won't work. No problem, I use my ring finger on the G, same sound less crowding.

If you need some confidence take a browse around You tube and see some of the portliest fingers tiptoeing over the fret board. It will come to you. It maybe a little harder than for others but maybe that will make you a more accomplished player. If you want to fell humble take a look at Mark Goffeney he is a Genius http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6mlfTYAaUWc (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6mlfTYAaUWc) or http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JOTXk3Ba7aY (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JOTXk3Ba7aY) I am  driven to not complain when I watch him :-[

Message for the Site:  How about a forum for the Finger Challenged?  It would be good to hear people with short/fat/thin fingers and how they have had to adapt patterns to work for them.

Oh and by the way Hello :D  First post here :)  Thank Justin you are an inspiration.

Bans (Steve)
Title: Re: CH-001 • Basic Open Chords
Post by: hmtaylor on October 08, 2008, 06:13:33 am
I have very small fingers...mine are not fat fingers I think they stopped getting bigger when I was 15...I am 23...........I'm having an impossible time with the open F chord!!!

the problem is, to get the two bottom strings to ring clear it is near impossible to arch my other fingers to meet the strings....they're just not long enough......basically, I do the cheat F chord....any suggestions???

Everyone keeps telling me that with practice it will fall into place I hope......(I plan on playing F as a barre chord!)

*PS I'm afraid I will suffer with triad chords as the one position also barres the first two strings with the first finger

Outside of barring strings, my short fingers are okay, I adapt...I have no problems playing anything else...yet (I'm new)
Title: Re: CH-001 • Basic Open Chords
Post by: justinguitar on October 19, 2008, 06:21:35 pm
I'm sorry but there is no solution other than practice.

I have seen and taught people with huge fat fingers and others (like kids) with small hands and they get there in the end.

Check out Andea Segovia - on of the greatest players that ever lived - he has HUGE fingers, he was a fat dude!

Good advice Bans :) cheers J
Title: Re: CH-001 • Basic Open Chords
Post by: routerbooter on November 02, 2008, 12:53:10 am
Does anyone else have any trouble with the B string on the first fret.  I don't have particularly thick fingers but it seems I have great trouble with chords such as C major and A Minor, since the first finger always seems to be either touching the G string or the high E string.  I don't seem to have any trouble on any other open chords which don not involve fretting the B string on the first fret. 

Was hoping that someone could tell me that this is nothing to worry about before I stick my first finger in a vice to make it thinner.

Thanks
Title: Re: CH-001 • Basic Open Chords
Post by: mike42 on November 02, 2008, 01:25:11 am
How long have you been playing? We all have issues with one chord or another, and at first it seems impossible to make all your fingers go where they should, but practice should solve this.

So put down the vice router, and pick up your guitar. All you need is some more practice ;)
Title: Re: CH-001 • Basic Open Chords
Post by: Francisco on November 14, 2008, 11:56:35 am
Hi All,

My main problem with D chord is that I have thick fingers and have developed the (perhaps bad) habit of doing this chord using the 3rd, 4th and 5th fingers instead of the usual 2nd, 3rd and 4th...

But it becomes a bit of a problem when trying to tie a DSUS4 chord afterwards in my folk acoustic guitar (steel strings, narrower arm than classic nylon strings guitar!).With the "convencional" D chord arrangement it is easier,though....

As you can see, I 'm in a sort of dilemma...
Title: Re: CH-001 • Basic Open Chords
Post by: Rezn8r on November 14, 2008, 12:44:48 pm
No dilemma at all.  Just like the previous posts say, the answer is practice.

You might be happy you can play the D with those fingers sometime, though, for quick changes between D and Dm, like if you ever try Tommy Johnson's Big Road Blues.
Title: Re: CH-001 • Basic Open Chords
Post by: knighty 1 on November 18, 2008, 11:10:44 am
Questions...
      first of all i'd like to thanks justinfor all his dedicated work to this site,i have learn't so much from your site  , thanks.
  been playing a few months and its getting there, got some easy song books but dont understand on some songs there are two chords together ie  f/g at the end of bar 4 ,do i play both as in 1,2 or is it a choice of either,can anybody help. also rhytm patterns where there are only chords, is it all down to ear,been on justins rhytm sites and have got them down ok. thanks again .
Title: Re: CH-001 • Basic Open Chords
Post by: Rezn8r on November 18, 2008, 11:31:06 am
knighty, check this page out:

http://www.justinguitar.com/en/CH-007-Slash.php (http://www.justinguitar.com/en/CH-007-Slash.php)
Title: Re: CH-001 • Basic Open Chords
Post by: steamjam on November 19, 2008, 04:35:16 pm
Hi guys, just registered on the forum. I'm an absolute beginner and bought my Guitar a week ago. (Fender CD60) I've found it easier to get 'A' sounding sweet by using Justin's 2, 1, 3, finger position approach.

I'd like some advice however, on finger position for 'D'. I can play it sweet switching fingers 1 and 2 around on the 2nd fret. My finger positions are therefore 2,3,1, as opposed to traditional 1,3,2, Is this ok, or bad practice? I know i've only been at it a week but your thoughts would be appreciated.

Title: Re: CH-001 • Basic Open Chords
Post by: fprintf on November 19, 2008, 04:50:03 pm
Steam, your best best is to follow the fingerings as Justin has recommended. While it may seem easier to play the chords the way your fingers want to fit on the strings, usually there is some method to the madness. In the case of the D chord, (edit on second thought) it is probably alright, though I prefer the traditional way.

In any case, you have only been playing a week. My recommendation is to follow the chords *exactly* as written until you become skilled and then you can decide how you like to do things. For example, I play my A chord as 123 or sometimes 234 or sometimes as a barre with my 2nd finger.

Regardless, the guitar has been played for centuries and the fingerings are pretty old. People are always playing around with tunings and fingerings, so what we have seems to be a well-settled set of efficient rules. No sense modifying the rules until you know what you are doing... stick with it, it is very very hard the first few months.
Title: Re: CH-001 • Basic Open Chords
Post by: guyray on November 27, 2008, 10:30:26 pm
I was just checking out the Basic Open Chords page, as an added comment to the C chord fingering, it is also common, at least for bluegrassers, to finger it with the third finger on the third fret of the 6th (low E) string and the forth finger on the third fret of the 5th string. This way one can alternate between the C note on the 5th string and the G note on the 6th string. This is used in lots of country arrangments as well. Of course, now that I think about it, this fingering is a bit tough to get your hand around right off the bat, so learn the one shown first and then give this one a try later on...

don't worry it will come, and when you feel like smashing your guitar, just set it aside for awhile and chill, frustration will be along with you for the rest of the ride, but when you finally get something down, revel in it...
Title: Re: CH-001 • Basic Open Chords
Post by: LearningGuitar on November 30, 2008, 02:23:13 pm
How one should practice chord progression to get the maximum?
n How long one should practice? Whether one should practice with metronome or without it? If with the metronome, what should be the bps to set?
Title: Re: CH-001 • Basic Open Chords
Post by: PhillD on November 30, 2008, 08:17:06 pm
How one should practice chord progression to get the maximum?
n How long one should practice? Whether one should practice with metronome or without it? If with the metronome, what should be the bps to set?

Well mate simple answer is start out without the metronome while you are not attempting a rhythm or just learning how to finger the chords - after that its a must have item in my experience. Before that its a distraction...
As for how long to practice well as often and for as long as you can, do at least 15 mins per night.
Title: Re: CH-001 • Basic Open Chords
Post by: Jason1 on December 02, 2008, 05:53:41 pm
I looked for Andea Segovia on youtube and didn't find anything? Anyone have a link?
Title: Re: CH-001 • Basic Open Chords
Post by: Rezn8r on December 02, 2008, 08:43:41 pm
Try searching for Andrés Segovia instead.
Title: Re: CH-001 • Basic Open Chords
Post by: fprintf on December 02, 2008, 08:48:48 pm
Try searching for Andrés Segovia instead.

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=andres+segovia&search_type=
Title: Re: CH-001 • Basic Open Chords
Post by: Jason1 on December 02, 2008, 09:21:21 pm
Thanks.
Title: Re: CH-001 • Basic Open Chords
Post by: Welshdai on December 11, 2008, 11:56:14 am
Please tellme how to do an easier A chord PPPLLLEEEAAASSSEEEE, i have big fingers and i cant squeeze them all in, i'm a newbie of about 10 days playing.
i have tried the 1 2 3 finger position, the 2 1 3 finger position, its all still a squeeze. I'm on an accoustic.
thanks
mik
I there new to the guitar myself and i had trouble with the A chord so added 5 mins to my practice time, just for this one chord and it worked out great for me. Also try switching from the D chord to the A chord, i found that i could do this fairly easy as there is not much hand movement needed. This also built up my confidence at the same time making me more relaxed. What i found to my surprise was that when i got the 213-finger position sorted out for some reason i could also play the 123-finger position as well.

The F chord is my next challenge as I am finding this really hard. I will attack it the same way as the A chord, watch Justin playing the chord to check out his hand & finger position, set myself an extra 5mins practice time just for the F chord, find a chord that I can change too (I am thinking the C chord) get myself relaxed and practice, practice and more practice. Good luck and keep up the good work.
Title: Re: CH-001 • Basic Open Chords
Post by: jnbastin on January 13, 2009, 06:28:05 pm
Hello Everyone!  Newbie here, been dreaming and wanting to play for many years and finally got my first guitar (Fender-cd60) on Christmas day and have been playing it at least 30-45+ minutes everyday since.  Luckily, I knew about a month prior that I was going to get it so I started researching and found this site.  Here's my question:  I'm getting open chords down OK and was wanting to work on my chord progressions.  Is there a listing of basic or common chord progressions out there or should I just base my chord progression practice to whatever the next song is I want to learn?

jnb
Title: Re: CH-001 • Basic Open Chords
Post by: Dhaga2 on January 13, 2009, 08:03:55 pm
Yea, it's best to base it on songs you want to learn.
Title: Re: CH-001 • Basic Open Chords
Post by: PetefromFinland on January 22, 2009, 05:32:12 pm
I'm sorry but there is no solution other than practice.

I have seen and taught people with huge fat fingers and others (like kids) with small hands and they get there in the end.

I was wondering would it be essential to know the recommended variations showed if one has bee playing some time using others? For example, I find it easiest to play A with fingers 2-3-4 in a row and of course that recommended pattern would be easier with those fingers, cause they´re smaller. The same with A7, which seems surprisingly difficult played with finngers 1 and 2. I find alot easier to use the finger 2 and 3. Also with these variations it is way easier to mute the 6th string with the thumb.

So if one has been playing and using some other alternative, should one still learn to play those recommended ones? Is there a huge benefit from it? Sure I know it may be better to know more variations, but does it make a difference in every case, for example A?

I started to play more "for real" not that long ago so there are some things I know more and some maybe basic things that I need work on, so I´m not sure how will it be in the future with this.. so if I get to learn to use the other variations properly, is it ok to use the ones I´ve been using on songs for example? Or should I make the effort and start only using for example that cramped A?

Thanks, great site!
Petri
Title: Re: CH-001 • Basic Open Chords
Post by: PhillD on January 22, 2009, 10:42:24 pm
Pete - having alternatives can be handy but the standard ways of doing a chord are there because they are the best for going to all different chords you might want to. For instance if you learn an alternative you might find it virtually impossible to go to another chord from you version, whereas the 'standard' ways are really easy. There are no hard and fast rules as long as you get the notes that make up the chord correct.

I find Justin's alternative A chord method (2-1-3) perfect for the D-A-D-A bit of Summer of '69 whch uses Sus chords (these are a bit ahead so don't worry if you haven't heard of them), try your alternatives but learn the standard ones too. Also as you progress you will see the A and Am chords develop in Am7, Amaj7 and A7 which again are nice in 'standard' form. Also it will make a lot more sense when you go onto Barre chords, which without going into too much detail use the 1-2-3 finger pattern of A but using your 2nd, 3rd and 4th fingers instead as your first finger is otherwise occupied.

Hope this helps you out.
Title: Re: CH-001 • Basic Open Chords
Post by: PetefromFinland on January 23, 2009, 06:50:27 am
Yes, I was kinda thinking this. I was asking since the problem is that I´ve learned lots of the open chords before my guitar playing got more organised so it´s really like going back to learn to use those forms too, since I´m otherwise a bit ahead and learned to use those alternatives in some songs.

But surely you´re right that those would make some chord progressions easier. I think it won´t take me that much time though, since I know a bit more so my fingers are a bit more used to in changing things..

I think I need to arrange my practising also a bit cause of this..

Well, thanks mate!
Title: Re: CH-001 • Basic Open Chords
Post by: ashman1 on February 11, 2009, 03:20:22 pm
help.  im new to the site and new to the guitar.  been playing about 3 months.  when im looking at some stuff and they say 'put this finger on the root then to the octave' what does this mean.  wheres a good place to learn about roots and octaves and how to decipher a chord?
Title: Re: CH-001 • Basic Open Chords
Post by: steamjam on February 14, 2009, 02:54:40 am
Steamjam Update! Guys, I'm 3 months on since my last post as a total beginner. I have callouses on my fingertips, open chords sounding sweet (mostly) and a big thankyou to fprintf. I stuck with your advice mate, thankyou.
I know i'm only 3 months in, but honestly, you wake up one day and your fingers suddenly find the strings. I'm focusing on trying to learn some basic strumming/fingerpicking, so I can attempt to playalong to a couple of favourite songs. Wish me luck guys, I'm loving every moment apart from 'F'  :)
Title: Re: CH-001 • Basic Open Chords
Post by: PhillD on February 14, 2009, 09:05:07 pm
ashman - a root of a chord in most cases (this will change later so everybody don't wade in) is the lowest note (thickest string) you strike in a chord and hence the one the chord's name is derived from.
A major (strike the A String open)

An octave is 8th note in the major scale, and is the same as the start note of the major scale just higher.
If you play the A major scale and count 8 steps in you will be on A again.

Hope this is what you were after.

Steamjam good work keep it up and don't worry about the F chord, its frustrating but keep with it and you'll get there
Title: 4-finger "F" chord?
Post by: Naolslager on February 20, 2009, 03:29:47 am
Any technical or philosophical reasons not to use four fingers for the "F"?
Title: Re: CH-001 • Basic Open Chords
Post by: PhillD on February 20, 2009, 01:26:21 pm
The four finger F is harder to get to while doing a progression of barre chords than the full barre.
Also it doesn't have the bass notes so doesn't sound as full on as the barre - although that may just be me.
I find it useful when using open chords though.

Hope this helps you but if you're using barre chords regularly and playing quickly you will see what I mean.
Title: Re: CH-001 • Basic Open Chords
Post by: Phydeux on February 21, 2009, 07:57:16 pm
Hi there.  I am transcribing Polly by Nirvana and I am trying to play the whole thing with open chords.  I have the verse (E, G, D & C) and the chorus (D, C, G & A#)  My question is on the A# which is a barre chord, how do I play it as an open chord?  I have looked for tabs, which are all for power chords and I watched the unplugged video on youtube, but he seems to be playing it as a barre chord.  Anywho, I hope I have stated my question clearly (my fingers tend to ramble).  Thank you.
Title: Re: CH-001 • Basic Open Chords
Post by: PhillD on February 22, 2009, 12:31:58 am
A# is also called Bb (just in case you don't know your fretboard not criticising, both are correct) but what you are trying to achieve is really the reason barre chords exist, to make chords more accessible. The only way I can think to do what your asking without a barre is to use just the 6th and 5th strings, but this wouldn't be the full Bb major as it would exclude the fifth. It would sound approximately right though.

A  5
E  6

I would recommend you learn the A based barre chord though, it is much better sounding for the Nirvana tunes and will be good as a learning exercise.
Title: Re: CH-001 • Basic Open Chords
Post by: Moakoky on February 22, 2009, 12:30:58 pm
The idea that guyray posts to play C chord is a good idea,but I've seen many videos where they play the G chorus 320033 in stead than 320003,,I can't understand that but they play  so, is it correct? ???
Title: Re: CH-001 • Basic Open Chords
Post by: PhillD on February 22, 2009, 03:51:38 pm
Yes its one of the many variations of G is the short answer, I use it for Good Riddance by Green Day.
Title: Re: CH-001 • Basic Open Chords
Post by: mhelmy84 on February 25, 2009, 10:12:56 pm
I have a question i dunno how to strum
Title: Re: CH-001 • Basic Open Chords
Post by: PhillD on February 26, 2009, 08:07:20 am
mhelmy - go and watch Justin's lessons on strumming techniques.
Title: Re: CH-001 • Basic Open Chords
Post by: Moakoky on March 13, 2009, 06:41:10 pm
I don't know very much about guitar,but I've seen in you tube, Korean children playing guitar with very small hands, and they play like angels.
Title: Re: CH-001 • Basic Open Chords and strumming
Post by: jamie 1990 on May 06, 2009, 10:26:22 pm
hi i have been learning how to play guitar for about a week now and i have been told its best to start off with your chords. well i can strum all right and i can find the notes i want pretty easy but i cant do both at the same time at the moment, i started off with the chords to knocking on heavens door by guns n roses and i picked it up pretty quick but i want to move on to nothing else matters by metallica  (one of my favourites)  but i cant hit the B note. am i going too far ahead of my self trying to play something that is a little harder.
Title: Re: CH-001 • Basic Open Chords
Post by: flyhead on May 06, 2009, 10:36:43 pm
You are running way ahead of yourself! There is a lot of technique that you need to practice before attempting difficult songs. You need to be adept at chord changes and strumming patterns before trying to combine the two.
Follow Justin's lessons linearly. These are not listed in a random manner, they are sequential and based upon Justin's experience of teaching.
Even if you have no intention of becoming a blues player, the 12 bar blues lessons (as an example) are important to be able to master as a matter of pure technique and adaptation in order to progress.
There are no shortcuts worth taking if you wish to develop as a player.
Title: Re: CH-001 • Basic Open Chords
Post by: jamie 1990 on May 07, 2009, 07:27:47 am
ok thanks for the advice thnaks for telling me that i was going too far ahead.
Title: Re: CH-001 • Basic Open Chords
Post by: PhillD on May 08, 2009, 08:13:30 am
Jamie, its all down to practice and going at a sensible pace mate. Kirk Hammett didn't become a rock god overnight and neither can anyone else!

Don't worry if it takes you a while to get your chord shapes sorted its all part of the learning.
Title: Re: CH-001 • Basic Open Chords
Post by: licksnkicks on July 03, 2009, 04:03:03 am
I'm really sorry for this retarded and stupid question but they are called open chords because the string name is not be played for example the D open chord the D string is open and not being played.  or any of the other open chords for that matter.


Licksnkicks
Title: Re: CH-001 • Basic Open Chords
Post by: PhillD on July 03, 2009, 11:13:38 am
It's open because the root note is played open, ie no fingers involved - but you definitely play it! But it also applies to any chords with unfretted strings in them, anything where there are no unfretted strings is a barre chord.

For instance C is an open chord but its root is fretted (to make C) but it also has open strings in its production, hence open chord.

Title: Re: CH-001 • Basic Open Chords and strumming
Post by: licksnkicks on July 03, 2009, 03:22:01 pm
hi i have been learning how to play guitar for about a week now and i have been told its best to start off with your chords. well i can strum all right and i can find the notes i want pretty easy but i cant do both at the same time at the moment, i started off with the chords to knocking on heavens door by guns n roses and i picked it up pretty quick but i want to move on to nothing else matters by metallica  (one of my favourites)  but i cant hit the B note. am i going too far ahead of my self trying to play something that is a little harder.

This was me about 4 months ago.  I just didn't realize that before you get to start playing songs that there is SERIOUS info and technique that you must learn or you will get no where really quickly.  Just start out with Justin's progression of beginner lessons and you will begin to progress very nicely and the good thing is you do it at your own pace.  There's so much to learn about guitar!  It's much harder than people give it credit for!  If your in it to win it, PRACTICE!!!  Practice as much as time will allow you and learn as much theory as you can.  This will really up your learning curve and make it that much more enjoyable because you will  be able to eventually figure out songs by yourself and not depend on tab or other crapola like that.  Ya, I'm a tab hater.  Sorry.  Have fun.
Title: Re: CH-001 • Basic Open Chords
Post by: guitarchic97 on July 06, 2009, 08:44:42 pm
I AM BEGINNER.. I GOT MY GUITAR LIKE A WEEK OR TWO AGO BUT CANT PLAY IT BECAUSE MY  HIGH E STRING POPPPED I DONT KNOW HOW TO FIX IT! CAN SOMEONE PLEASE HELP ME BECAUSE TRIED TO FIX IT BUT I CANT  ??? :(
Title: Re: CH-001 • Basic Open Chords
Post by: licksnkicks on July 07, 2009, 02:44:47 am
http://www.justinguitar.com/en/TB-003-ChangeStringsElectric.php

Is this what you need?  This is for an electric guitar.

OR

this is for an acoustic guitar

http://www.justinguitar.com/en/TB-004-ChangeStringsAcoustic.php

Hope one of these will help.  That sucks having a guitar and you can't even play.  I wish you the best in getting your guitar back to a playable condition.

Licksnkicks
Title: Re: CH-001 • Basic Open Chords
Post by: MediaMan09 on July 09, 2009, 03:57:45 am
Is there a link somewhere which gives a full tabular text listing of chords? , ie something like this:

C        X32010
Cm       X35543
Cm7      X35343
Csus4    X3301X
Cadd2    X32030
C6       X3221X
C+       X3211X
C+7      X3X354...
Title: Re: CH-001 • Basic Open Chords
Post by: Quark on July 09, 2009, 05:01:24 am
Here are a couple of links that might help.
http://www.guitarconsultant.com/guitarchords.html (http://www.guitarconsultant.com/guitarchords.html)

http://www.all-guitar-chords.com/index.php?ch=C&mm=&get=Get (http://www.all-guitar-chords.com/index.php?ch=C&mm=&get=Get)

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Title: Re: CH-001 • Basic Open Chords
Post by: MediaMan09 on July 09, 2009, 09:48:05 am
Thanks - but those links provide the typical graphic for chords ... I was looking for a text listing...

C         X32010
Cm       X35543
Cm7     X35343

I would imagine there is a spreadsheet out there somewhere - its hard to find though.
Title: Re: CH-001 • Basic Open Chords
Post by: skyzthelimit on July 12, 2009, 01:44:29 am
Hello,
I'm a newbie and I'm trying to play the D chord. I can get most of the notes to ring out nicely except the second string. My third finger is right behind the fourth fret and im fairly certain my first finger is not touching the second string. Can someone please help me figure out what else it may be?

Thanks
Title: Re: CH-001 • Basic Open Chords
Post by: Tourniquet on July 14, 2009, 12:40:30 pm
Hello,
I'm a newbie and I'm trying to play the D chord. I can get most of the notes to ring out nicely except the second string. My third finger is right behind the fourth fret and im fairly certain my first finger is not touching the second string. Can someone please help me figure out what else it may be?

Thanks

Surely you mean 3rd fret.....
The second string can't be muted by your other two fingers because they can only touch the part of the string that isn't vibrating.
It can only be the position of your third finger (you might be placing your finger over the fret which would also mute it), the pressure your third finger is exerting or a poor setup.
try fretting only that string at that fret until if rings cleanly.
Title: Re: CH-001 • Basic Open Chords
Post by: Golfxzq on July 27, 2009, 05:38:15 am
Questions...

TOTAL beginner here, so forgive me if I am posting this in the wrong place or in the wrong manner.  Also, please be understanding of my lack of knowledge, we all have to start somewhere (although I have started learning guitar a little late in life at 61.)

Here is my question...  I have gone through much of your beginner lessons.. great stuff.  In branching out a little, I am trying to learn "House of the Rising Sun" (one from my era).  Not too much of a problem except for the F chord.  I can NOT get the open G to ring true and I can NOT get both the A & E with the flat of my index finger.

Any suggestions?  (I have tried one suggestion...  practice, practice, practice.  Not much luck).  I was hoping for some technique or tip to help me out.

Thanks
Title: Re: CH-001 • Basic Open Chords
Post by: Golfxzq on July 27, 2009, 05:57:39 am
OOPS...  I told you I was a TOTAL beginner.  OK..The G is not open.  But, when I play it Arpeggio the B is muted by my ring finger which is on the G in the second fret.  My index finger is across the B&E which I can also not get to ring true.

Sorry...  and thanks again.
Title: Re: CH-001 • Basic Open Chords
Post by: close2u on July 27, 2009, 07:54:27 am
for that song you can use a little barre F chord and pick out the F bass note on the D string

E and A strings not played
first finger barre across fret 1 of top E and B strings
second finger on fret 2 of G string
third finger on fret 3 of D string

or use an F major7 (no barre - fingering similar to above except top E is played open)
Title: Re: CH-001 • Basic Open Chords
Post by: Golfxzq on July 27, 2009, 02:39:40 pm
Thanks Close...  I'll give it a try.
Title: Re: CH-001 • Basic Open Chords
Post by: Golfxzq on July 27, 2009, 05:43:36 pm
Showing my ignorance again "barre"... same as "bar chrod" (US)???

Thanks
Title: Re: CH-001 • Basic Open Chords
Post by: Cozza on July 27, 2009, 06:50:40 pm
Hi I am getting on to learning rythm but for some reason I can't seem to get the open E chord in time with my chord changes. I know the hand is supposed to be kept at a right angle to the fret board but with my E I am really reaching over and by the time I get the E down it messes up everything. I can get it perfect with my chord change practise but any sort of rythm to it and I really tense up, cramping my hand. Should I be keeping my hand straighter or is it a natural thing to do with the E?

Cara xx
Title: Re: CH-001 • Basic Open Chords
Post by: Cozza on July 31, 2009, 06:29:42 pm
I am definately putting my hand in the wrong position on the E chord I've strained my wrist and its been hurting all day  :o :-\
Title: Re: CH-001 • Basic Open Chords
Post by: Linsen on July 31, 2009, 07:05:37 pm
Well, if it hurts, it's definitely wrong. I'm also having problems with the correct hand position on some chords depending on where I'm coming from and how fast I'm trying to change. What I'm doing to get rid of it, is doing the changes slowly and trying to feel and see where I'm going wrong and than adjusting accordingly. Once you've found the correct position (the one that's the most relaxing for the given chord), slowly increase the speed. If you're starting to go wrong again, adjust for it and don't change again before you're in the relaxed position. That should help your fingers to memorize the correct positions.
Title: Re: CH-001 • Basic Open Chords
Post by: Cozza on July 31, 2009, 08:39:52 pm
Well, if it hurts, it's definitely wrong.

I know it's wrong from the way I look like I'm doing the chicken dance but my 3rd finger just wont reach  >:( .
Title: Re: CH-001 • Basic Open Chords
Post by: charlieguitars on July 31, 2009, 10:55:09 pm
This is for the guy that was asking about the open f chord.  Check your thumb position.  Lower you thumb on the neck when playing F.  Your thumb should be in the middle not on top as you can do with most chords.  Just swing that thumb down there and it should be a lot easier.  I had the same problem and it helps  ;D
Title: Re: CH-001 • Basic Open Chords
Post by: Cozza on August 02, 2009, 12:45:52 pm
This is for the guy that was asking about the open f chord.  Check your thumb position.  Lower you thumb on the neck when playing F.  Your thumb should be in the middle not on top as you can do with most chords.  Just swing that thumb down there and it should be a lot easier.  I had the same problem and it helps  ;D

I tried this for my E chord and seems really easy now!!  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: CH-001 • Basic Open Chords
Post by: TheCrow240980 on August 07, 2009, 06:12:37 am
Im new here, congratulations Justin. Lets get direct to the point...only a few questions: Im practicing my first cords this is my fourth day and my fingers starts to pain and getting "blisters" , is it normal? I'll get used to it?? thanks.
Title: Re: CH-001 • Basic Open Chords
Post by: charlieguitars on August 07, 2009, 06:31:12 am
yeah get used to the pain cause until those puppies start getting callisced your gonna be hurting. Its part of the territory we all had to go through with it.  DON'T PICK THE CALLICES OFF!!!!  you'll have to start all over.  Once they are nice and hard it won't hurt anymore and you'll be able to play all the time.

its normal don't sweat it.  Play through the pain. I used to play til my fingers bruised and then after that.  I'm not sure if you can actually play "til your fingers bleed" but i've heard of it however i've played for 10 straight hours and that didn't happen so ya
Title: Re: CH-001 • Basic Open Chords
Post by: Bootstrap on August 07, 2009, 07:39:42 am
Pretty usual Crow - I know I'm practicing enough when it hurts to type the next day.

Yep you will get used to it - but dont be silly about it - get someone who knows something about guitars to check the "action" (distance of the strings from the fretboard) to see it isn't rediculous.

Someone I work with recently had their enthusiasm for their new found passion dampened when they couldn't stand the pain - when I had a look at her guitar it was an el-cheapo classical guitar that Arnie would have had trouble putting enough pressure on the strings to make them sound. For less than 200 Aussie dollars we quickly got her set up with something she could play and sounds good.

Good luck with it.

Cheers, Bootstrap.
Title: Re: CH-001 • Basic Open Chords
Post by: TheCrow240980 on August 07, 2009, 07:12:09 pm
thanks guys....  :)
Title: Chords
Post by: JAI on September 03, 2009, 11:55:46 am
Hi, apologies if iv posted this wrong. If for instance I finger a chord e.g a D chord but then slide it up a fret. What chord does it become ? Cos obviously it sounds different, can I use this as another method to switch between chords ?
Title: Re: CH-001 • Basic Open Chords
Post by: nephente on September 03, 2009, 07:43:43 pm
Hey JAI,

when you move an open chord shape (eg. D xx0232) around the fretboard, for instance one fret up, it usually becomes something wicked. The normal D major chord xx0232 has the notes D-a-d-f#. If you move it up to xx0343 it contains the notes D-a#-d#-g which is a D#maj7 chord (with the D in the base).
Check out http://www.all-guitar-chords.com/chord_name.php (http://www.all-guitar-chords.com/chord_name.php)
If a chord does NOT use open strings you can move it around the fretboard as you like and it stays the same type of chord.
That is the beautiful thing about barre-chords! You take on open chord shape, slide it up the fretboard and replace the nut with your first finger.
For example: E major 022100 -> F major 133211 where the first finger covers the strings on the first fret.
Or your D major chord xx0232 becomes xx1343 which is an D# major chord!
I hope you get the idea. Check out Justins lesson on Barre-chords as well as his lesson on the CAGED-System!

Hope I could help you!
Regards
Title: Re: CH-001 • Basic Open Chords
Post by: JAI on September 04, 2009, 10:23:19 am
thanks thats really helpful
Title: Re: CH-001 • Basic Open Chords
Post by: julianfigiel on September 24, 2009, 04:02:04 am
I just recently saw a chord that looked like this:

E(7)

What does this mean? Why is the 7 in brackets?

Title: Re: CH-001 • Basic Open Chords
Post by: knuid on October 11, 2009, 05:33:36 pm
Hello Justin and his faithful followers!

About 6 months ago I picked up a guitar for the first time in about 10 years. Justin's lessons have allowed me to make progress I never thought was possible, and have taught me to learn more independently. Thankyou so much!
When I was younger I had a classical and was taught to play classical (although I never became particularly good!). I now play both classical and acoustic guitar, but use the acoustic most of the time.

My problem is that I was always taught to play with my wrist straight (as if I were always playing barre chords - in the classical style). I'm doing well with open chords and am finally managing to nail some barre chord shape too! However, I really have trouble bringing my thumb up to mute the low E string or to play a bass note as Justin sometimes shows on his videos. When watching other guitar players, I can really see the difference in wrist position. But to me it seems so unnatural! Can anybody suggest a good exercise to help me "unlearn" the classical wrist position and save it just for the classical guitar?

Thanking you all in advance,

Knuid
Title: Re: CH-001 • Basic Open Chords
Post by: Cue Zephyr on October 11, 2009, 07:20:33 pm
I think you should watch closely to what your wrist is doing, this wrist position is indeed for classical guitar, because the necks are wider.
 You must only bend your fingers up, not your whole wrist in the case of the acoustic (steelstring) guitar.
As far as I know you also hold a classical guitar differently compared to the normal (conventional?) acoustic guitar.
There is a video on posture somewhere on Justin's website, check the lesson index. :)
Title: Re: CH-001 • Basic Open Chords
Post by: dj_madmatt on November 03, 2009, 05:29:04 pm
OK i went threw the leason on the c cord but i have a cord chart poster and the low E string/the thickest E string is pushed down on the third fret on my chart and i was wondering if that is just a diffrent way of playing it and if so should i play that the c cord that way if i can because i almost find it easier but at the same time it is difficult because I'm working my pinkie.


 ??? :-\ ???
Title: Re: CH-001 • Basic Open Chords
Post by: Cue Zephyr on November 03, 2009, 05:31:12 pm
That's a C/G chord, a C with a G in the bass.
I used to play this one too, but it didn't fit everywhere I needed a C chord, so I kind of unlearned it again.
Title: Re: CH-001 • Basic Open Chords
Post by: dj_madmatt on November 04, 2009, 04:18:05 pm
That's a C/G chord, a C with a G in the bass.
I used to play this one too, but it didn't fit everywhere I needed a C chord, so I kind of unlearned it again.

thanks that will help in the future. i mean I'm just picking up the guitar again i never had any lessons and this site is helping out a lot. i use to play trumpet so i have theory down and terms and what not its just tricking my self in to trans scribe in to guitar is all. well thanks again.
Title: Re: CH-001 • Basic Open Chords
Post by: Irost on November 13, 2009, 09:48:39 am
Hey, couldn't find this anywhere, I'm wondering how to play the "H chord"? Justin mentions it in one of his video lessions, but he doesn't tell how to play it.
Title: Re: CH-001 • Basic Open Chords
Post by: close2u on November 13, 2009, 09:58:26 am
there isn't an H chord

muscial notation stops at G

pin-point the reference in the vid ... maybe he's joking
Title: Re: CH-001 • Basic Open Chords
Post by: Irost on November 13, 2009, 10:03:21 am
"The note circle" he mention that germans use it.
Title: Re: CH-001 • Basic Open Chords
Post by: Bootstrap on November 13, 2009, 11:07:06 am
Irost - for reasons that I'm not sure of, though maybe some of our German friends who frequent this forum might.... the "H" is actually the B natural note....

Cheers, Bootstrap
Title: Re: CH-001 • Basic Open Chords
Post by: Irost on November 13, 2009, 11:47:56 am
Ok, Thank you :)
Title: Re: CH-001 • Basic Open Chords
Post by: MadCat on November 13, 2009, 06:58:44 pm
If you find a german song with a b note, that could also be the english b-flat.
I struggled with that quiet long, as I'm used to the german system.

Here is a little note translator:  ;)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Key_signature_names_and_translations (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Key_signature_names_and_translations)
Title: Re: CH-001 • Basic Open Chords
Post by: alias_noa on December 11, 2009, 10:13:55 pm
Hi my name is Wayne, and I used your website and video's to learn some guitar basics over a year ago. I just came across you again on youtube, and found your video about chord exercises. I went from there to your website, and found your guides on which chords to learn first. I'm really glad someone finally organized it, because not all of us can afford music lessons. I just have one question...if i'm trying to play stuff more like breaking benjamin, disturbed, godsmack, and even stuff like slipknot or u know any of that modern stuff, should I still learn the same chords in the same order? I want to make music with violins, piano, and guitar and drums, and i'm realizing its all based on chord progressions so i'm trying to learn all that stuff, but your music is a lot different from what i'm going for so I don't want to learn the wrong stuff :D. BTW i like page 99 it cheered me up when i spilled my coffee everywhere haha

-Wayne
Title: Re: CH-001 • Basic Open Chords
Post by: Tourniquet on December 12, 2009, 08:47:12 am
if i'm trying to play stuff more like breaking benjamin, disturbed, godsmack, and even stuff like slipknot or u know any of that modern stuff, should I still learn the same chords in the same order?

No matter what you want to play you require a solid foundation in the fundamental techniques. once you have those down you can afford to specialize a little.
Title: Re: CH-001 • Basic Open Chords
Post by: UKFretboarder on December 12, 2009, 11:03:50 am
Hey everyone, this is my first post.  I've been using Justin's site since february this year and it's amazing! So a big THANKS!  I have a question about the D chord, it's more a concern really. I consider myself around the start of intermediate, my chord changes are pretty fast but I just noticed, the E chord ringing out when I change to D...and also when I change to A. I've been playing D with no thumb muting the 6th and 5th, I tried this for the 1st time last night and it just felt so awkward. I know I will probably get used to it with practice but I just would like to know, is your writst supposed to bend when you hook your thumb over for the mute? Mine does, I'm not sure if that is just natural movememnt but I am a little concerned, if I keep changing to D will it affect my wrist, as you're supposed to keep it as straight as possible? That's harder down by the open chords but when I try with my thumb over it looks pretty squashed  :-\  Is it ok to play D with no muting too?
Title: Re: CH-001 • Basic Open Chords
Post by: Bootstrap on December 12, 2009, 11:16:50 am
Of course you can play D with no muting - if you accidentally hit the 5th string no big deal as A is a note found in the D chord ie D, F#, A - even if you are way out and hit the 6th string it isn't going to be an absolute clanger as E is also found in the D scale.

Whilst I often mute the 6th string, I never bother muting the 5th string when playing the D chord - I try for accurate strumming and if I hit the occasional 5th string so be it.

Didn't quite know what you meant about the bent wrist so can't help you there.

B
Title: Re: CH-001 • Basic Open Chords
Post by: UKFretboarder on December 12, 2009, 11:30:28 am
Heya, thanks for your quick reply. I started panicking about that lol, like I was changing to the D chord for so long without muting. The wrist bending is more like an angled wrist when I hook the thumb over. Usually its right in the middle of the neck. My palm pushes up when I put my thumb over for the mute and pushes my wrist slightly leaning towards
the neck, like this. I'm a little worried if that can lead to wrist problems or if that will be ok for just 1 chord  =) 

(http://img190.imageshack.us/img190/443/clipboard02ll.jpg)
Title: Re: CH-001 • Basic Open Chords
Post by: Bootstrap on December 12, 2009, 12:28:00 pm
Ok - I think I see what you mean about your wrist - I'm no physio but I can't imagine bending your wrist would cause you problems - biomechanically speaking your wrist is designed to bend backwards and forwards it is only when it goes sideways or hyper-extends forwards or backwards that the problems start.

B
Title: Re: CH-001 • Basic Open Chords
Post by: guitar and pen 2010 on January 03, 2010, 07:06:35 pm
Hello,

I have been playing the D,A and E cords for one week. My finger position is good but I have trouble muting some cords. Is this because my finger tips are still very soft? Will it become easier to play a clear cord when they harden up?
Title: Re: CH-001 • Basic Open Chords
Post by: Bootstrap on January 03, 2010, 10:21:32 pm
Hi G & P - good decision to take up guitar :)

When you say "muting" I'm guessing you mean make the notes of the chord sound - muting actually means to stop the sound - as soon as you release finger pressure that should happen automatically. If you are still getting sound as you release the chord grip it means you are "flicking off" the string and need to work on your technique a bit to get a clean lift off the strings.

If you did mean you can't make the notes sound clearly then yes your finger tips hadening will assist with this - also making sure your finger pressure is as close to the fret as you can get it (not so easy on E & D)

A week is not very long so stick with it - success will come.

Sorry if I misinterpreted your question.

Cheers, Bootstrap
Title: Re: CH-001 • Basic Open Chords
Post by: micah888 on January 06, 2010, 12:08:26 am
Hi, my name is Micah. I have just been playing guitar for about a week now and I am having trouble switching from chord to chord. I need some advice for ways I can improve this. Thanks.  :)
Title: Re: CH-001 • Basic Open Chords
Post by: Bootstrap on January 06, 2010, 12:27:43 am
Hello Micah and welcome.

Sorry but there is no silver bullet - what you are going through is what we all did - hard work and a fair amount of pain to be able to play anything that sounds good.

Stick with it though as the satisfaction of success is hugely gratifying.

The only tip is to see if there is a common note in the chord you are changing from - to. You can use that note to anchor your finger ad just move the others - this anchor finger gives you a known point of reference (a bit like the home keys on a qwery keyboard) and make placement a bit easier.

Good luck and keep us posted with your progress.

Cheers, Bootstrap
Title: Re: CH-001 • Basic Open Chords
Post by: close2u on January 06, 2010, 07:23:52 am
+1 to bootstrap


welcome Micah  :)

I presume you are just learning chords A D and E.

pick just combinations of two chords at a time (e.g. A to D ... E to A etc) to try this then progress to combinations of three

hold the 1st chord
play it clean
move to the 2nd chord
play it clean

approximately how long did it take to move your fingers from one chord to the next?
ok
let's say it took 4 seconds to change
divide that time into quarters ... one second intervals
play the first chord again
hold it for 8 seconds
count very slowly
one mississippi, two mississippi, three mississippi, four mississippi
you could set a metronome to 30bpm so every beat is 1, 2, 3, 4
maybe strum the chord twice to begin (on the count of one and on the count of three)
when you reach four
anticipate for your fingers that they are going to move to the 2nd chord
allow yourself 4 seconds to change
if you can continue counting in your head, you are going to have this much time - one mississippi, two mississippi = 2 beats on the metronome
play that chord as you did for the 1st

knowing that you have a good amouunt of time within the context of a simple but slow beat should help you make a change without getting that 'gotta rush gonna fumble' state of mind
and it's helping you start to be musical
and it's obviously a start point from which you can increase the speed as you improve

I hope it helps

 :)
Title: Re: CH-001 • Basic Open Chords
Post by: routerbooter on January 26, 2010, 01:52:56 pm
Great advice close2u.  Thanks very much.
Title: Re: CH-001 • Basic Open Chords
Post by: K2LU on January 31, 2010, 05:26:58 pm
hi all, i am new just starting to play guitar and i have probleems witch the d chords.
I have attempt the D chord, but when i put my first finger on the 3th string it mute the 2th string. I tryd to move first finger more to the 4th string but it still mute the second string.  I hope some can give tips to get a  good d chord.
Title: Re: CH-001 • Basic Open Chords
Post by: Tourniquet on January 31, 2010, 06:20:39 pm
hi all, i am new just starting to play guitar and i have probleems witch the d chords.
I have attempt the D chord, but when i put my first finger on the 3th string it mute the 2th string. I tryd to move first finger more to the 4th string but it still mute the second string.  I hope some can give tips to get a  good d chord.

Might want to double check that, the third string (G) is physically incapable of muting the second string (B) in an open D chord because of the finger positions.
Title: Re: CH-001 • Basic Open Chords - getting frustrated
Post by: RePeter on February 06, 2010, 05:44:25 am
I'm starting to get very frustrated with myself and my guitar.

I have been practising for about 2 months now. I say practising because at this stage I'm for sure not actually playing anything yet. I practise at least 15 minutes a night, usually a half hour or more if I can stand it. Lets say I'm trying to play a G chord. I put my fingers on the frets and strum. My fingers are always touching the strings next to the one they are fretting so the chord sounds terrible. So now I pick the notes and I straighten my fingers, shift them around up down left right and after what seems like a minute I finally get the chord to sound good. Sometimes it just won't work no matter what I do, but lets say this time it works. So now I change to a D chord. Same problem. It takes a lot of fiddling to get it to sound right. Now I change back to G. Just as bad as the first time.

I can do semi OK with some chords like E but if my fingers have to reach like C or G I have a lot of trouble. I just can't get the F at all.

 If I take my time to get the chords to sound clean I can't do 5 changes in a minute. If I move from chord to chord quickly, like say 25 changes in a minute the chords sound horrible bad.

I'm sure I'm doing something wrong but I don't know what.

I know the answer to every question here seems to be practice, but I am practising. I would really like to start playing one day.
Title: Re: CH-001 • Basic Open Chords
Post by: close2u on February 06, 2010, 07:55:20 am
heloo reperter

welcome

sorry to hear of your frustrations ... but you are not alone in them

go back to just the first 3 chords

A D E

use them
play them
strum pick strum them
do one minute changes with them
slowly strum a few chords with them
practice them using different rhythms from the rhythm basics lessons found throughout the beginners course
buils up your left hand finger strength, flexibility, manoeverablity, etc and your right hand strummimg and your body tempo and timing on just these three chords for a while
re-build your confidence in yourself by doing what you can achieve for a while

forget about C G and definitely F ... it sounds like you have tried to learn the next thing too fast
good luck
keep us posted

 :)
Title: Re: CH-001 • Basic Open Chords
Post by: bika on February 07, 2010, 01:25:50 am
I am trying to find fingering for a good F6 chord sounding  for the Stones "Love In Vain" taken from their Stripped album.

I bought the music to the album some time ago.
I consider this my first tentative steps into transcribing.
I know using the book  is not 100% transcribing but there are some riffs and licks to be figured out.

Appreciate and suggestions.
Title: Re: CH-001 • Basic Open Chords
Post by: Cue Zephyr on February 07, 2010, 01:57:35 am
I don't know the song you're referring to, but perhaps I can give you a website:
www.jguitar.com Type in 'F6' and try the fingerings.
Good luck.
Alternatively, you can try looking at other 6 chords (C6, D6, E6, and so on), and try moving the various shapes to your root note (F) and see (listen!) how they sound.
Title: Re: CH-001 • Basic Open Chords
Post by: bika on February 19, 2010, 11:40:25 am
I don't know the song you're referring to, but perhaps I can give you a website:
www.jguitar.com Type in 'F6' and try the fingerings.
Good luck.
Alternatively, you can try looking at other 6 chords (C6, D6, E6, and so on), and try moving the various shapes to your root note (F) and see (listen!) how they sound.

Thanks for your reply Cue.
I checked out the above site you recommended and am trying out a couple of the configurations.

Have a listen to "Love In Vain" sometime.  It's originally by Robert Johnson but the Stones, Clapton and others have all covered it.
The Stones more famously on "Let It Bleed" (Drop D tunining) then much later on their album "Stripped" (standard tuning... I think) I also found  a great clip on Youtube with the Stones recording the song with some good close ups of Richards (acoustic) & Wood playing (resonator).

Anyway thanks again
Bika
Title: Re: CH-001 • Basic Open Chords
Post by: UKFretboarder on February 22, 2010, 01:18:06 pm
Hi guys and girls, I've just noticed something in my chord changing technique and was wondering if you could help me. I'm not sure if it is cool to do it or not, but when changing to an open G chord, I find the part under my index finger on my palm just gliding against the neck, it isn't supporting it but I can just feel it there. I thought maybe it is natural because it's quite a stretchy chord. I've read the only contact should be with your thumb but the chords ring out clear and I'm pretty sure my thumb is in a pretty good position, maybe a little high, so it peeks out behind the neck, I check my hand position, and the chords ring fine with a gap underneath the neck, except for my C chord, there's still a gap but the angle of my index kinda pushes my hand in closer to the neck. Is this all ok technique? I'm worried if I've got my hand position wrong. Thanks  =)
Title: Re: CH-001 • Basic Open Chords
Post by: charlieguitars on February 22, 2010, 09:04:32 pm
the thing is that if it sounds right its right, if you can pick each string individually and get a note to ring out clear, then your fine.  If not, just slide that thumb down to the middle of the back of the neck and you'll find you can do a lot more in that position. 
Whatever suits you as long as your getting all the notes
Title: Re: CH-001 • Basic Open Chords
Post by: Cue Zephyr on February 22, 2010, 09:08:49 pm
I've been playing with thumb over for quite a long time, but I realised it's better to play with the thumb on the middle of the neck, this is essential for playing barre chords. I do still occasionally use my thumb for some chords.
Title: Re: CH-001 • Basic Open Chords
Post by: UKFretboarder on February 23, 2010, 01:44:50 pm
Thanks for your replies  :)  Yeah the notes ring out so I guess I can just leave it, I think the best way is definitely with thumb in the middle, it creeps up high for me though, especially when I'm playing the bass strings. Another thing I noticed is my F barre to D open in 1 minute changes, my index just lays against the side of the fretboard for D, I feel it against the neck ready to barre and then it drops to the side for the D again. It doesn't affect the sound of the chord, it's just I don't want to develop lazy fingers   :P Unless it's a good thing because it means my index is in a better position to barre again. I guess it works both ways? I'm a little cautious about my overall hand position. Most of the time when I'm standing or playing in a mirror the top of my thumb is visible. Is that an ok position?
Title: Re: CH-001 • Basic Open Chords
Post by: charlieguitars on February 23, 2010, 10:16:26 pm
yeah dude like i said if it sounds all right its fine, there is no right way to play guitar, only wrong ways.  If its not wrong, its right
Title: Re: CH-001 • Basic Open Chords
Post by: Cue Zephyr on February 23, 2010, 10:48:16 pm
If there are no right ways and you say if it isn't wrong it's right, but that's wrong man. :P
Title: Re: CH-001 • Basic Open Chords
Post by: charlieguitars on February 23, 2010, 11:00:25 pm
haha I realized when typing that it was a paradox, but I was kind of banking on the fact that no one would notice.  Well played Cue
Title: Re: CH-001 • Basic Open Chords
Post by: awfulguitarnois on March 23, 2010, 06:15:49 pm
Hi, I've looked all over the site and forum, and can't seem to find an answer to this question: I'm learning a song that uses a B maj chord, and I've seen tons of conflicting answers on how it is to be played.  I'm guessing the most accurate way is to barre the first fret and then use your ring finger to barre the 2nd, 3rd and 4th strings of the third fret.  This seems to be a very difficult grip to repeat.  Is there another grip someone could recommend?

Thanks in advance

PS - crap, I just realized I probably should have put it in the Barre section.  sorry.
Title: Re: CH-001 • Basic Open Chords
Post by: Tourniquet on March 23, 2010, 06:28:09 pm
Hi, I've looked all over the site and forum, and can't seem to find an answer to this question: I'm learning a song that uses a B maj chord, and I've seen tons of conflicting answers on how it is to be played.  I'm guessing the most accurate way is to barre the first fret and then use your ring finger to barre the 2nd, 3rd and 4th strings of the third fret.  This seems to be a very difficult grip to repeat.  Is there another grip someone could recommend?

Thanks in advance

PS - crap, I just realized I probably should have put it in the Barre section.  sorry.

You have the right form but the wrong location, but you are forming a Bb instead of B. gotta start at the 2nd fret.
And it is a very difficult grip to get used to... but it's worth it.
If you are familiar with the open B7 chord, muting the G string will give you a regular B chord.
Title: Re: CH-001 • Basic Open Chords
Post by: awfulguitarnois on March 23, 2010, 06:30:14 pm
Got it... thanks very much.
Title: Re: CH-001 • Basic Open Chords
Post by: Jack Scurlock on March 31, 2010, 01:23:07 am
Thanks for the wonderful lessons.  I have found that my fingers just do not make the chords anymore.  Well, after 37 years of not playing my Gretsch Diamond Anny guitar (she sat in her case and waited until my career at sea finished) I just can't get the full chords.  So...is there a way to use, like, the top strings (E B G) to form the chords I need to fill?
I loved your new CD.  I can see you sweated blood putting that together.  I promise that someone will purchase it for me for my 'surprise' Father's Day (Grandfather's and Great Grandfather's) present.  What the heck, at 68 I am learning each day.
Fair winds and trailing seas....thanks again

Capt Jack
Title: Re: CH-001 • Basic Open Chords
Post by: Cue Zephyr on March 31, 2010, 02:09:26 am
Yes, these are called triads. Justin did a lesson on these too. Good luck.
Title: Re: CH-001 • Basic Open Chords
Post by: jojox on July 22, 2010, 12:47:56 pm
Hi! I would like to know how should I behave when I do a chord, in particular I wonder if, in the beginning, could be better to look at the picking hand while strumming so that to hit the right number of strings for every chord or look at the frettting hand so that to make the chord sound as clearest as possible... Could be useful to improve my picking skill so that to know exactly where is the first string i have to pick without see it? I saw Justin look at the camera when playing a chord but I am just a beginner :) Moreover I would like to know if I have to stop the chord after I have played it or just let the strings ring and cover the sound with the next chord... and if I have to stop the strings from ringing how can I do it? I hope you can help me, otherwise i'll try to find out the answer gaining more experience... in the meanwhile i have to say that i am really thankful to Justin for what he does cause i think that teaching is great but do it with a smile is better :)
Title: Re: CH-001 • Basic Open Chords
Post by: Cue Zephyr on July 22, 2010, 01:13:46 pm
I always, really, almost always look at my fretting (left) hand. But I think that is mostly because I play fingerstyle and travel up and down the neck quite a bit more than with open chords (although technically most are actually open chords).
And, just let them ring, you want to be able to hold your chords long enough. If you want to stop the strings just drop your right hand palm on the strings.
Title: Re: CH-001 • Basic Open Chords
Post by: UKFretboarder on July 23, 2010, 12:37:46 pm
Hi Jojox. When you're starting I think it's a good idea to look at your picking hand when playing chords, but make sure you concentrate on the chord shapes with your fretting hand to make sure they're in a good position first, because you want the cleanest sound possible. But as you play longer I think not looking at your picking hand when playing chords and just 'feeling' the strings and knowing where your picking hand is positioned by feel is what you are after. One great exercise on Justin's strumming techniques is when you pick the bass and play the chord, forcing your picking hand to make smaller movements when picking the bass and improving picking accuracy. Your hand will just sit there beside the strings and you'll know what string you're next to. This  just comes with time but it also makes for a great picking exercise if you are just relying on feel and will speed this process up  =)   As for ringing, as cue says you can mute the strings with your picking hand, if you are strumming then you can use an upstrum between changing chords to mute them. And as your changes improve you will just naturally relax your fingers, they won't lift off and cause ringing as much as relaxing during your changes, this will cut down on string noise too
Title: Re: CH-001 • Basic Open Chords
Post by: jojox on July 23, 2010, 11:23:29 pm
Many thanks!
Title: Re: CH-001 • Basic Open Chords
Post by: Rustyshackleford on August 04, 2010, 12:39:21 am
I was trying to figure out what chords go to  which scales.  That would be real useful to know.  I know chords and scales but how do you know what goes with what?
Title: Re: CH-001 • Basic Open Chords
Post by: Cue Zephyr on August 04, 2010, 01:19:32 am
Scales have notes, the notes can make up chords. Whether it's major or minor that is determined by the intervals.
E.g.:
G A B C D E F#
GBD = G
F#AC = F#-
EGB = Em
It's too late here now to write a paragraph on it. Maybe someone else will do that for me.
Title: Re: CH-001 • Basic Open Chords
Post by: irishalkies on August 05, 2010, 12:13:42 am
@Rusty

Have a read of this, it should answer your question.

http://www.justinguitarcommunity.com/index.php?topic=20935.0 (http://www.justinguitarcommunity.com/index.php?topic=20935.0)

Title: Re: CH-001 • Basic Open Chords
Post by: Barican Nick on February 13, 2011, 03:30:54 pm
I have a question about the A chord.  I got an acoustic guitar for free from my uncle last week and found this site and have been practicing for a few days now.  I think I'm doing pretty good, but my finger tips are killing me!  Because I don't want to stop practicing, I found a new way to play the A chord.  I place my first finger in a position that holds down the 3rd and 4th strings so they are clear, and I mute the 2nd string, but leave the 1st string open.  I place that finger at an angle to leave room for my 2nd finger to hold down the 2rd string so it is no longer muted.  I find this is a very easy way to play the A chord, so my question is this a bad habit or will it make it harder to learn something else later on?

Thanks in advance!
Nick.
Title: Re: CH-001 • Basic Open Chords
Post by: licksnkicks on February 13, 2011, 03:58:28 pm
Whoa that sounds overly complicated to me.  Why don't you just barre the 3 strings with your index finger.  A mini barre if you will.  All you have to do is angle you index finger about at a 45% angle and make sure you don't mute the high e string.  Voila an A chord.  This way your not using your fingertips really.  Your using the bottom of your finger.  Your fingertips will take time to toughen up. 
Title: Re: CH-001 • Basic Open Chords
Post by: close2u on February 13, 2011, 04:32:04 pm
sounds like you are developing bad habits from the very very start
as mentioned, you can barre across with 1st finger
or
if finger tips hurt - and they will as you start
play for shorter periods and come back a little later
don't push through a pain barrier too much
don't invent strange shapes that will hold you back later on
 :)

btw

welcome
and good luck with the learning
Title: Re: CH-001 • Basic Open Chords
Post by: Barican Nick on February 19, 2011, 04:10:01 am
Thanks for the help, but I can't seem to make the 'mini barre' for an A chord without muting either the high e or the b strings.  That's how I figured out my own way to play it.  I'm practicing both how it's taught in the videos on this site and my own way.  Seems to be working out pretty good so far.  Again, thank you for the help and support!

P.S.- My fingertips are already toughening up pretty good!
Title: Re: CH-001 • Basic Open Chords
Post by: O.G. Loko on August 26, 2011, 04:50:56 pm
I'm having problems getting my chord changes sharp. Ive been doing my minute changes and gotten most of my changes up to 60 changes in a minute. Can someone give me some advice ?
Title: Re: CH-001 • Basic Open Chords
Post by: Cue Zephyr on August 26, 2011, 04:59:44 pm
Slow down the changes, get them sharp, then speed up. Good luck.
Title: Re: CH-001 • Basic Open Chords
Post by: Cozza on November 10, 2011, 07:24:30 pm
Hi there Justin/ everyone.

My guitar instructor has recently been teaching me B7, G, C and D as chords for a song he will eventually teach me. I've been able to play D for ages. B7 is easy, and G is almost there (just need a bit more practise).

I am having a difficult time with C. The stretch is becoming a little easier and I know with time I will be able to play this ok.
I struggle to understand what you mean when you say "don't fret the chord square". As soon as I put them slanted, my 1st finger has a habit of lying on it's side and making a 'C' instead of a '|' if you understand me. Is it good practise to play them as "square" as I do?

(I don't have a lesson until next Thurs and I'd like a heads up from you if you don't mind). Thanks x
Title: Re: CH-001 • Basic Open Chords
Post by: Cue Zephyr on November 10, 2011, 10:22:45 pm
Your index can 'tilt' a bit to the side to form a slight 'C' and not being completely straight. That will be the most natural position for it. Just don't let it lie totally on it's side.
Title: Re: CH-001 • Basic Open Chords
Post by: Cozza on November 11, 2011, 10:42:08 am
Your index can 'tilt' a bit to the side to form a slight 'C' and not being completely straight. That will be the most natural position for it. Just don't let it lie totally on it's side.

For some very strange reason, it does. Stupid finger.  >:(
Might have to get my instructor to take a look at my chords... for some reason I magically get them 10 times better when I know he is watching me hahah
Title: Re: CH-001 • Basic Open Chords
Post by: Cue Zephyr on November 11, 2011, 09:22:28 pm
Actually my index finger almost did that too. It would be 'leaning in' more than the other fingers. I'd just look at my fingers holding a chord and try to tilt the index finger back in such way it was more parallel to the other fingers.
Title: Re: CH-001 • Basic Open Chords
Post by: Cozza on November 13, 2011, 10:16:40 pm
(http://a4.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/s320x320/393265_10150454387249122_683229121_10290344_1496421275_n.jpg)

This is me fretting the C chord. Playing it from memory so may have a note wrong. But is it normal to have the index finger leaning over towards the nut so much? x
Title: Re: CH-001 • Basic Open Chords
Post by: misterg on November 13, 2011, 10:46:07 pm
Hi,

For what it's worth, I think the *angle* of the fingers vs the fret board is OK.....but......:)

....I think you need to turn your wrist a little (like turning a door knob anti clockwise, but without moving your fingertips from where they are now) to bring your hand a bit more parallel to the neck and stop the index finger being so scrunched up.

I guess you're holding the guitar up for the photo, but if not, we can talk about that, too ;)

HTH

Andy
Title: Re: CH-001 • Basic Open Chords
Post by: close2u on November 14, 2011, 06:47:57 am
it's the elbow wedged against the body that bothers me ...
make a conscious effort to push that elbow out and away from you ... that will have the automatic effect of freeing up your movement and placing your whole hand / wrist / fingers in a better position

and the palm of your had is very low ... too far away from the neck
Title: Re: CH-001 • Basic Open Chords
Post by: Cozza on November 14, 2011, 12:39:59 pm
Eh, not the best approach for a photo. I was sitting on my bed with my back against the pillow.
But that is how I would do a C chord. I'm going to take your advice on board and see if I can train myself to change it... x
Title: Re: CH-001 • Basic Open Chords
Post by: shreypai44 on November 25, 2011, 06:50:44 am
are there lessons for maj7 and min7 chords ? why not ? these chords are quite important.
Title: Re: CH-001 • Basic Open Chords
Post by: close2u on November 25, 2011, 06:55:09 am
@ shreypai

they are in the Intermediate Course

http://www.justinguitar.com/en/IM-000-IntermediateMethod.php
Title: Re: CH-001 • Basic Open Chords
Post by: Cue Zephyr on November 25, 2011, 04:40:01 pm
You can refer to one of the Jazz lessons that is about 10 basic chord grips - 5 with 5th string root, 5 with 6th string root. Them being maj7, m7, 7, maj7b5 and dim.

As for open maj7 and m7 chords, I don't really know.
Title: Re: CH-001 • Basic Open Chords
Post by: shreypai44 on November 27, 2011, 10:22:35 am
I was kinda looking for open maj7 chords  :) .. but can i play these without muting the 5th n 1st string ?
Title: Re: CH-001 • Basic Open Chords
Post by: jacksroadhouse on November 27, 2011, 10:57:02 am
Sure you can, but that's chord specific, e.g. Cmaj7 = open C majpr + lift off 1st finger (b string). But it's probably easier in the long run to learn a little bit of theory here and to apply that instead of memorizing lots and lots chord shapes. Maybe that's why there isn't a specific lesson on this (just a guess).

If you know your chord construction rules and the notes on the fretboard (or at least you're able to count them), it's usually rather simple to turn any major/minor chord into a maj7 or min7. With all 7th chords, all you do is add one note to the chord. For starters (a little simplified, but it works):

maj7 = add the note one semitone lower than the root (just an octave higher), e.g. Amajor + Ab/G# = Amaj7. The rule is 1 3 5 7.

min7 = same principle, but 2 semitones lower than the root, and you need to start from a minor chord. Amin + G = Amin7. Here the rule is 1 b3 5 b7

7 = major chord + b7 (2 semitones down from the root, an octave higher) = 1 3 5 b7

min maj7 = minor chord + 7 = 1 b3 5 7

The numbers always refer to the major scale (with the root of the chord as root note), even if you're playing a minor chord.

To find a string you can play the added note on, look for redundant notes (like the second C in the open C chord, played on the b string).

If this is all one big "wtf?" for you, then check out the (e)book "Practical music theory" on the website. Personal opinion: if you want to go anywhere on guitar, you need to learn it anyway, and it's so much easier than learning chord-shape after chord-shape.
Title: Re: CH-001 • Basic Open Chords
Post by: misterg on November 27, 2011, 10:57:59 am
I was kinda looking for open maj7 chords  :) .. but can i play these without muting the 5th n 1st string ?

Yes you can - there's no specific lesson that I know of, but they are mostly just slightly altered versions of the major chords - This site shows them nicely, I think:

http://gosk.com/chords/basic-c-chords-for-guitar.php

Andy
Title: Re: CH-001 • Basic Open Chords
Post by: close2u on November 27, 2011, 11:00:21 am
open major 7 chords:


   Amaj7   C maj7   Dmaj7    Emaj7    Fmaj7     
e --0--------0--------2--------0--------0----
B --2--------0--------2--------0--------1----
G --1--------0--------2--------1--------2----
D --2--------2--------0--------1--------3----
A --0--------3--------x--------2--------x----
E --x--------x--------x--------0--------x----
Title: Re: CH-001 • Basic Open Chords
Post by: kiwisue on November 27, 2011, 03:29:36 pm
@Close2U:  Awesome, I diagramed these in my chord chart collection, thanks!
Title: Re: CH-001 • Basic Open Chords
Post by: shreypai44 on November 27, 2011, 04:08:22 pm
@misterg

awsm site mate. all the other chord websites show a lotta junk chords. thanks a lot  :D
Title: Re: CH-001 • Basic Open Chords
Post by: shreypai44 on November 27, 2011, 04:10:18 pm
btw in justin's video lessons does he show when to use these maj7 n min7 chords ? n the chord progression ? sorry low on bandwith  ;D INDIA  >:(
Title: Re: CH-001 • Basic Open Chords
Post by: shadowscott007 on November 27, 2011, 05:47:34 pm
Well, the odds are good that anywhere you see a minor chord you could substitute a minor 7 chord.  And you have about a 66% chance of a major 7 chord working as a substitute for a major chord.

Bottom line try it and if it sounds good it is good.

Shadow
Title: Re: CH-001 • Basic Open Chords
Post by: paulmahoux on December 11, 2012, 07:01:01 am
Hi Justin,

Thanks for the beginners course book, it's awesome  ^ ^

Two questions:

-Why is it "bad" to have the thumb reaching over the fretboard ? I see so many advanced players do so and,  plus, it really helps for the D chords in muting the low E string.

-I just purchased the songbook to match the beginners course book and it's on it's way, but while watching the songs list i noticed that the tonality is not as the originals : for example the level 1 song from Dire Straits, Walk of Life has a E A B chord progression but at this stage we're only supposed to know tha E A D chords. Does this mean we have to use a capo ? Maybe it will be clear when the book arrives but so far it's a bit confusing ^ _ ^

Title: Re: CH-001 • Basic Open Chords
Post by: Dr Winterbourne on December 12, 2012, 11:34:44 am
Paul, that is a yes to the capo.

And regarding the thumb over technique... yes, you will use it alot in the future, for muting, and maybe even for fretting. But, at the beginning it is important to build up the muscle between the thumb and first finger. Keeping your thumb on the back of the guitar will work that muscle, so that when you get to barre chords and power chords in a few stages it will be strong enough.

The Beginners Course is a masterpiece of design, and every little bit of info is there for a reason, which you will realise when you look back.
Title: Re: CH-001 • Basic Open Chords
Post by: Deacon022 on December 21, 2012, 02:50:57 am
I have been playing the Open A chord with just my first and second finger, holding down the D,G and B strings.  Is this a bad habit to get into?   It seems easier for me than putting three fingers. 

I already am trying to get out of bad habits such as playing a G with just both e strings in the third fret pressed down.  (I know it is acceptable some times, but it seems I play that G all the time.)

Anyway, thanks for the help and this great site.
Title: Re: CH-001 • Basic Open Chords
Post by: Drubbing on December 21, 2012, 03:03:56 am
I have been playing the Open A chord with just my first and second finger, holding down the D,G and B strings.  Is this a bad habit to get into?   It seems easier for me than putting three fingers. 


Everyone has issues with the A. It's the first you learn and no one ever believes it's physically possible at first. Millions of players will loudly disagree.

Yes it's a bad habit. Learn the right way first - breaking the rules is only a good idea when you know why and how to.

The G chord you're doing is a legit variation which is show later in the course, but again, you're simply going to limit yourself by sticking with it. The Rock G not only provides a fuller sound, it helps you learn how to move to other chords, and to fully use your fingers.

If you keep finding ways to make stuff easy, then you'll really struggle when stuff gets hard. Try and make an F chords easy, I dares ya.
Title: Re: CH-001 • Basic Open Chords
Post by: stitch101 on December 21, 2012, 04:21:24 am
I have been playing the Open A chord with just my first and second finger, holding down the D,G and B strings.  Is this a bad habit to get into?   It seems easier for me than putting three fingers. 


That's the way I play my A chord and have had no ill effect. I've played for over 35 years and have
always played my A that way.
Make sure you can play the A7 with the same two fingers X02020. If you can't then learn the three finger A.

Quote
I already am trying to get out of bad habits such as playing a G with just both e strings in the third fret pressed down.  (I know it is acceptable some times, but it seems I play that G all the time.)

There are are 4 acceptable ways the play an open G 320003, 320033, 3X0003 and 3X0033. When finger
picking a G is often played 3X000X. You will learn all these different way to play the open G and when to
use them as your playing progresses

Title: Re: CH-001 • Basic Open Chords
Post by: Deacon022 on December 22, 2012, 03:56:44 am
Thanks for the responses.  I can play an A7 with the same two fingers.

As for the F,  I was also cheating.  1st finger holds down the bottom e and b strings with a mini barre.  I have tried the big barre F but I find the b strings muted half the time.  Been trying to get it for a couple of weeks now, and don't know if I should move on or stick with it. 

I have started doing the rock G which is pretty easy.  If the change has to be quick, I revert back to the folk G.
Title: Re: CH-001 • Basic Open Chords
Post by: Drubbing on December 22, 2012, 04:14:17 am

That's the way I play my A chord and have had no ill effect. I've played for over 35 years and have
always played my A that way.
Make sure you can play the A7 with the same two fingers X02020. If you can't then learn the three finger A.


Difference being, you've been playing 35 years. Some will have learnt that way, and I'm sure lots will do this, but there's good reasons to stick with the approach Justin takes, because of the anchor fingers that you then have in place for moving to others chords.

THat's not as easily done with the Barre A, and removes a really good learning aid, and that's why Justin leaves it til later as an alternative. I use both depending on the situation.
Title: Re: CH-001 • Basic Open Chords (question re: really flat fingers)
Post by: Lotus_ on May 04, 2013, 08:40:33 pm
Maybe sounds weird to some of you.....but while I have no probs at all practicing due to finger pain or anything (my fingers don't really get sore for a good 10 or 15 mins) -- I do have a prob with the fact that my fingers are very flat, in particular the index finger. So even though I have cut my nails as short as I can, the actual finger pad is quite a bit lower then the nail/cuticle area, therefore in order to even get the first chords I have to use my index nail which as you can imagine is not going to work. Just was wondering if anyone else had this problem and if it is going to be a big issue or...? Doesn't help I have arthritis and that finger is a tad but crooked too :-( Thanks in advance for any advice or thoughts :-)
Title: Re: CH-001 • Basic Open Chords
Post by: bradt on May 04, 2013, 09:45:38 pm
Hi lotus. Just saw your post over on the coursera site too. Small world, no? Welcome to the forums.

We all have "special" fingers at first. You find your way around it.

Have a look at some of the lessons on this site, they are very good and may help you a lot. A good place to start is this one:
http://justinguitar.com/en/BC-106-PostureFingerPlacement.php
Title: Re: CH-001 • Basic Open Chords
Post by: Lotus_ on May 05, 2013, 06:08:04 pm
Thanks Brad :-) Yea I have reviewed Justin's lessons about finger placement and chords -- the only time i get the chord is when I am actually pressing on my index finger nail, the pad of my finger is so much lower then the nail area, very frustrating as the nail is cut as short as I can cut it. Anyways I will keep trying :-) Thanks so much :-)
Title: Trouble with A chord
Post by: boymilker on June 15, 2013, 06:44:37 am
Hi
when I play the A chord I have trouble with the first finger on the middle string. The string always sounds flat and does not ring out as it should do. I have quite fat fingers and think this might be the problem as I can't get all three fingers on the fret very well. Any ideas. Thanks
Title: Re: CH-001 • Basic Open Chords
Post by: dianapettit on August 05, 2013, 11:55:10 am
Hello,
I have gone through stage 1 and stage 2 beginner lessons.  Tonight I started comparing the A,D, and E chords with the A minor, D minor, and E minor chords.  To me they sound almost exactly the same.  Could you use them interchangeably if you wanted to?  Are there other chords like this too?  If so, what chords can I use interchangeably if I want to while I am learning?  I am all about learning new chords but all of the songs I like use chords that I have not learned yet and I am losing motivation because everyone keeps telling me that you can play any song with 5 chords but I know 6 chords and I feel like I can't play much.  What is going on?
Title: Re: CH-001 • Basic Open Chords
Post by: Drubbing on August 05, 2013, 12:10:29 pm
They don't sound the same, minors have at least one different note. Perhaps you're not strumming all strings.

The beginners songbook has plenty of songs with 2, 3 and 4 chords, but to play songs, you also need to have the right rhythm and strumming patterns for them.

You're not going to learn to play any song simply by knowing 5 chords.
Title: Re: CH-001 • Basic Open Chords
Post by: sophiehiker on August 05, 2013, 12:11:41 pm
Be patient Diana.  See what @Drubbing said...

Nobody can play every song ever written after learning six chords.   ;D   True, there are a lot of two, three, four and five chord songs.  But not every song can be played with five chords.

Here's a good example of what you can do with just 4 chords.  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5pidokakU4I

You can; however, play a lot of neat songs with just those six.  Take a look at the songs Justin recommends after each stage of the beginner's course.   That's a really good start. 

I wouldn't go mixing major and minor chords just yet.  It'll sound kinda strange.  I'd suggest you just keep learning new chords until you can play all the songs you like.   :)
Title: Re: CH-001 • Basic Open Chords
Post by: mouser9169 on August 05, 2013, 10:29:06 pm
Hello,
I have gone through stage 1 and stage 2 beginner lessons.  Tonight I started comparing the A,D, and E chords with the A minor, D minor, and E minor chords.  To me they sound almost exactly the same.  Could you use them interchangeably if you wanted to?

If I were you I would stop and take an open chord like E and E minor - very easy to play, so you know you aren't 'missing' any strings, and play them alternately until you can hear the difference. Do the same thing with D and D minor and A and A minor. Shift back and forth from E major to A minor.

Major and minor chords are not interchangeable. When you substitute one for the other you are changing the 'character' of the song. Very overgeneralized but major=bright, happy and minor=gypsy,sad,melancholy.

Don't go any further until you can hear the difference. Maybe you'll need to play a song you know that uses major chords and try playing it with minor chords so you can hear what it does to a song (It's not necessarily a Bad Thing(tm) if you do it intentionally with understanding).

You can do a 12 bar blues with A, D, and E  and then with Amin, Dmin, and Emin.
You should be able to "feel" a different mood from those two progressions.
Title: Re: CH-001 • Basic Open Chords
Post by: Djordje on August 18, 2013, 01:59:08 am
Guys, I have started out doing the stage one 1 minute changes and I need a couple of answer and many more to come when I progress!  8)

1. How long should I do the practices? Until I master doing the D-A-E chords or? Also, how long should my practices be? I already have built up my calluses so I can last up to 1h before I notice any significant stinging notion.
2. Does my finger positioning matter since my fingers are mostly pointed like this towards the board "I", while I see Justing placing his hand kinda curved like this \\\ when he does chords. Does that matter or is it just personal taste?
3. How long does it approximately take to learn chord changes because my hand is being really slow at the moment. Can you give me some time estimate or something? Even if it takes 4 months, I won't stop but I'm just wondering on average.

That is it for now. :)


Also, are there any other good chord changes or should I stick with the D-A-E at the moment?

And, do you recommend me doing anything else or just focus on the chord changes and getting the muscle memory working?
Title: Re: CH-001 • Basic Open Chords
Post by: bradt on August 18, 2013, 02:38:51 am
1 For now, probably 5 minutes on each exercise. Then stop and do something else once you've done them all. I think that's what Justin recommends in his lesson plans at the end of the stage.

You ever get frustrated with trying to do something so you stop, and when you come back the next day it seems so simple? That's part of how we learn. After a while you start seeing diminishing returns on your effort because you've really learned all you can for that session, and it needs time to settle in.

What I did at first was to set the metronome at 60 bpm, and for 3 minutes go through each change I was working on. If you can't play every beat, just play every other beat. It's just hard to keep time with anything below 60 for me. Then do the 1 minute changes.

2 Some chords you will see more angling than others. C in particular is one that you almost have to angle. For the most part, try to keep your fingers as straight across the neck as you can.

3. How long is a piece of string? No one really knows how long it will take. It took me a couple weeks to get the first few up to speed. Some people can do it faster, and others it takes a month or more.


One thing I would do, especially in the first 3-4 stages, is once you feel comfortable with the material move to the next stage. Don't skip over things or speed through them, but don't feel you have to be really perfect at them either. There's just not much to practice in the first few lessons, and it's really easy to get bored if you stay in one spot too long.
Title: Re: CH-001 • Basic Open Chords
Post by: Djordje on August 18, 2013, 03:04:46 am
Yea, true on that. So you suggest me just to practice and get my muscle memory working? Is it a problem if ( for lets say ) the D chord, I put the middle finger first and then 0,1sec after that the 4th finger on the 3rd guitar threat ( I use the index finger as the anchor finger). Is that a mistake or is it common for a beginner? Will I eventually get the fingers to move together?

Also, should I practice for more than 5min if I am willing to or limit it to 5min?
Title: Re: CH-001 • Basic Open Chords
Post by: mouser9169 on August 18, 2013, 06:39:30 am
Yea, true on that. So you suggest me just to practice and get my muscle memory working? Is it a problem if ( for lets say ) the D chord, I put the middle finger first and then 0,1sec after that the 4th finger on the 3rd guitar threat ( I use the index finger as the anchor finger). Is that a mistake or is it common for a beginner? Will I eventually get the fingers to move together?

Also, should I practice for more than 5min if I am willing to or limit it to 5min?

It's better to practice for 5 minutes 12 times consecutively than to practice for an hour straight.

Short bursts of complete concentration. Then do it again and again with different things or come back to the same thing.

As to the fingers thing - I don't know where Justin actually teaches it, but one of the first things I do when learning a new chord is just finger the chord, lift my fingers slightly off the strings, then put them back down again. Over and over. Then I keep raising my fingers and finally straighten them and place them all at once (which you would never actually do while playing - keep your fingers near the strings). When I can do that consistently, then I start practicing some changes.

Chords have a bit of a dichotomy when it comes to learning to play them. In the beginning, you're just memorizing the shape (fingers all acting together). Eventually though, you'll probably want to learn the notes and where they are in the scale (each finger on its own). That's where scale shapes (CAGED, mode patterns, all that stuff) come in to help you out.

As an example there's a very easy to play 'open' C minor chord that I don't think I've ever seen taught in any 'beginner' program (or more advanced for that matter), which surprises me because C minor is not that unusual a chord to want to play. I leave it to you to look at the notes and figure it out  :-X
Title: Re: CH-001 • Basic Open Chords
Post by: Drubbing on August 18, 2013, 06:57:53 am
Little and often is the best way. Concentration wanders and fatigue sets in if you try and cram. I don't believe it works as well anyway. Muscle memory is what you're building, and it takes its own sweet time.

You will get to the point where you can change all open chords automatically, but by then you're working on other things that still require repetition and concentration, so the skill of focussing in fairly short periods, and changing things up is a good one to build.
Title: Re: CH-001 • Basic Open Chords
Post by: Djordje on August 18, 2013, 10:39:11 am
I assume that you mean 5-10min per session multiple times a day or just once?
Title: Re: CH-001 • Basic Open Chords
Post by: mouser9169 on August 18, 2013, 11:06:52 am
I assume that you mean 5-10min per session multiple times a day or just once?

If you're referring to my post, they can be back to back to back if you want (and spread out).

The key is that for five minutes (or three or six or whatever works for you) you are completely concentrating on the task at hand. No distractions. When the timer dings, you can take a breath, shake out your hands, and wind it right back up again if you want. Five more minutes of focused concentration.

How much total to practice depends on your, your life, and how much time you're willing to devote to the guitar. Spread out over a day, a beginner could easily do 3+ hours of practice and benefit from all of it. Most people don't have that kind of time. Those who want to be great players make the time. Most of us are somewhere in between the two extremes.
Title: Re: CH-001 • Basic Open Chords
Post by: Djordje on August 18, 2013, 03:37:05 pm
Alright. :)

Also, do you guys recommend me starting with a pick or? Since I find it a lot easier to pick notes with my fingers.
Title: Re: CH-001 • Basic Open Chords
Post by: mouser9169 on August 19, 2013, 12:45:59 am
If fingerstyle comes easily for you, you may want to look into using a thumb pick.
Title: Re: CH-001 • Basic Open Chords
Post by: misterg on August 19, 2013, 12:57:30 am
Also, do you guys recommend me starting with a pick or? Since I find it a lot easier to pick notes with my fingers.

Djordje - It's covered in BC107 here:

http://www.justinguitar.com/en/BC-000-BeginnersCourse.php

Justin recommends a pick to start with, even if you want to learn fingerstyle later.

(All the practice stuff is covered in the relevant stages, too)

The best thing you can do is work through the course right from the beginning and do just what's recommended. :)
Title: Re: CH-001 • Basic Open Chords
Post by: Djordje on August 19, 2013, 02:43:54 am
Alright. I did it from the beginning but I just didn't use a pick. :) Thanks though.
Title: Re: CH-001 • Basic Open Chords
Post by: Between2Trees on September 02, 2014, 08:49:12 am
Hi,

I'm not sure where this question goes but this seemed like a good guess. I've found quite few songs to play that have the first 8 chords but I've been noticing that many of these songs also have a Bm chord. I couldn't find this chord on the chords page. Is it too hard to learn as a beginner? Should I keep skipping it like I'm doing now or is there a good way to play it? Thanks for any help!
Title: Re: CH-001 • Basic Open Chords
Post by: shadowscott007 on September 02, 2014, 10:07:01 am
Bm pretty much requires you to play a barre chord, which is a bit more advanced.  I think that is in the intermediate course.

Shadow
Title: Re: CH-001 • Basic Open Chords
Post by: Tim Mason on September 02, 2014, 11:47:19 am
I really wanted to work on 'Jimmy Row' by the Dead, and Neil Young's 'After the Goldrush.' Both use Bmin, but I decided that as these songs were kind of central to the reason that I picked up a guitar in the first place, I'd go for it. You can either use a chord inversion as this guy recommends - http://www.learn-acoustic-guitar.com/easy-b-minor-guitar-chord (http://www.learn-acoustic-guitar.com/easy-b-minor-guitar-chord):, or you can go for the barre chord, using the Amin shape with a barre on the second fret. I found that once I'd got the F-chord more or less working, the Bmin wasn't that much harder, and, in fact, working on the one helped with the other. I'm still nowhere up to speed on the changes, but I do have these two songs that I am very keen on to work with.
Title: Re: CH-001 • Basic Open Chords
Post by: Cue Zephyr on September 02, 2014, 03:06:32 pm
There's somebody on YouTube that teaches a Bm substitute for everybody that only plays open chords. It's a Bm11, played as x20230, but IMO, it doesn't always fit.
Title: Re: CH-001 • Basic Open Chords
Post by: TB-AV on September 02, 2014, 04:54:33 pm
Hi,

I'm not sure where this question goes but this seemed like a good guess. I've found quite few songs to play that have the first 8 chords but I've been noticing that many of these songs also have a Bm chord. I couldn't find this chord on the chords page. Is it too hard to learn as a beginner? Should I keep skipping it like I'm doing now or is there a good way to play it? Thanks for any help!

Go ahead and learn it. If you have songs that are causing you to want to play.

Use good arm and hand position... index finger lays across fret 2. Finger tip mutes low E string. But yes, by all means, if you are inspired to play songs and that is the only thing causing a problem then learn it now.

---2----------------------
------3------------------
---------4-----------------------
---------4------------------------
---2--------------------------
---x------------------------
Title: Re: CH-001 • Basic Open Chords
Post by: Dodarino on September 23, 2014, 02:10:21 pm
Hi all,

Didn't want to start a new thread and this seemed an appropriate place to ask the question. I'm on stage 7 of the beginner's course but one chord that comes up in a lot of songs I want to learn is the B Chord (massive Springsteen fan here and he loves that B Chord) and I noticed it's not on the beginners course and I've looked around the site and haven't been able to find it. Does Justin have a lesson on it, or would I best be served searching elsewhere online?

Cheers everyone :)
Title: Re: CH-001 • Basic Open Chords
Post by: TB-AV on September 23, 2014, 02:18:57 pm
Read my post above your question. This is the B chord. You can use 3 fingers on fret 4 but most people will barre those three strings with one finger. The ring finger. It's no real problem if the high e string get's muted in the process. Just go ahead and learn it.

---2----------------------
---------4--------------
---------4-----------------------
---------4------------------------
---2--------------------------
---x------------------------
Title: Re: CH-001 • Basic Open Chords
Post by: stitch101 on September 23, 2014, 04:24:53 pm
I noticed it's not on the beginners course and I've looked around the site and haven't been able to find it. Does Justin have a lesson on it, or would I best be served searching elsewhere online?

Cheers everyone :)

The B chord is an A shaped barre chord. You'll find the lesson on A shaped barre chords in the IM section.
If you didn't have trouble learning the F chord you should have trouble learning the B chord. But if you
struggled with the F you may want to finish the BC first before tackling barre chords.
http://justinguitar.com/en/IM-131-AShapeMajorBarreChords.php
Title: Re: CH-001 • Basic Open Chords
Post by: blueguern on October 29, 2014, 06:49:45 pm
Hi Guys, just a quick question about something I find most puzzling. I can play the open A chord no problem, I can play the mini barre A no problem, I can even get it with the high e sounding. Justin's advice is to mute the high e, partly because it's difficult to get it to sound and also because he thinks it sounds better. The ordinary open A is the same four strings being plucked so what is the problem. Am I missing something obvious here. I am really perplexed by this.
Cheers for any advice.
Title: Re: CH-001 • Basic Open Chords
Post by: TheCasual on October 29, 2014, 06:59:16 pm
The mini barre A chord is use a lot rock. Bands like ACDC and The Who.

With gain the high e string can be a bit overbearing.
Title: Re: CH-001 • Basic Open Chords
Post by: mike42 on October 29, 2014, 08:50:14 pm
Couple things to add on the mini-barre A:

Sometimes it sounds better to NOT play all the strings on a certain chord. It just comes down to the situation and the sound you want to achieve.

Other times it's more convenient to play the mini-barre and if high E string isn't important, you might as well play it the easiest way you can.
Title: Re: CH-001 • Basic Open Chords
Post by: close2u on October 30, 2014, 07:31:20 am
@blueguern
you don't need to worry about it / analyse it so much
it's all good
just don't try too hard and / or worry about that top e
Title: Re: CH-001 • Basic Open Chords
Post by: laboheme on March 11, 2015, 11:21:30 pm
Hello,

I am having difficulty with the C Chord. I can get the stretch and fingers are arched to arrive perpendicular to the board and pointing towards my face as per the video. To push down the 1st string strongly enough to give it a good sound, my index finger touches either the G or E string (mainly the E string). I am pushing on the string on the tip of my finger just under the nail. I have filed my nail. I have put my thumb on different parts of the neck and put my palm directly against the neck or hanging below the nect. I can get the note to sound ok but either I don't push hard on the index finger which makes that string sound bad or I do push in which case I hit against the E string. Thanks for any advice.

Daniel
Title: Re: CH-001 • Basic Open Chords
Post by: acnari on December 07, 2015, 08:09:01 pm
Hello all,

I'm working my way through the beginner lessons (loving it!)-and something came up on one of the songs that I was working on learning (I can't seem to remember which one it was now). Justin, when you were describing the chords in the song, described the A as A major, and I think you did the same thing with E. I'm thinking that A and A major are the same thing, but I wasn't sure-also, what confused me more was thinking about the Fmaj7 chord. If A is the same as A major, then why would you need to say F"maj"7: wouldn't it just be F7? So, is there an Amaj? What's the difference? If there is an Amaj, then it has not been taught in the beginner lessons when a song with it is introduced.
Title: Re: CH-001 • Basic Open Chords
Post by: close2u on December 07, 2015, 09:09:48 pm
Hi Acari welcome to the forum and it's good to know you're making progress with Justin's course.

Okay ...

A = A Major
E = E Major
And the same for other Major chords.
Dropping the Major or Maj is shorthand and for ease.
Major is conventionally written with a capital M, though not always.
If a chord is minor, it conventionally has a lower case m.

F Major 7 is not the same chord as F7 so the Major (or Maj) nomenclature cannot be dropped from describing those chords.

Title: Re: CH-001 • Basic Open Chords
Post by: SiegeFrog on December 07, 2015, 10:55:59 pm
Just to confuse or intrigue you further, how would you describe the sound of Fmaj7? Or the (dominant) 7th chords like B7, C7, and G7? For comparison try a normal C (Major) chord and lift off your first finger to expose the open B string. How does that sound? It's C Major 7. Take a D chord, but use your 1st finger to fret the e, B, and G strings at the 2nd fret (like an A chord shifted up 1 string). How does that sound?

FWIW, Major 7th chords sound jazzy to me, and Dominant 7th chords sound bluesy to me. Welcome to 7th chord harmony.
Title: Re: CH-001 • Basic Open Chords
Post by: Borodog on December 07, 2015, 11:44:25 pm
The "maj" in Fmaj7 goes with the 7, not the F. Fmaj7 is an F major chord with the major 7th assed. F7 is an F major chord with the flat 7 added. Just to make life interesting Fmin7 is F minor + flat 7, and FminMaj7 is F minor + major 7.
Title: Re: CH-001 • Basic Open Chords
Post by: acnari on December 09, 2015, 03:39:34 pm
Thanks guys-this makes sense...sorta ;). I'm glad I bought the theory e-book, I want to learn how to play guitar-but I also really want to understand what I'm learning!
Title: Re: CH-001 • Basic Open Chords
Post by: cat3 on February 16, 2017, 08:01:48 pm
I'm fairly new into this fantastic course. Just learning the first three chords, and have been using a pitch analyzer to be able to sing out the notes as well (trying to train my ear and my voice). I noticed that when I play the open E major chord, the pitch analyzer hears a B (3rd octave). Pretty sure it's not my tuning nor my guitar - all the constituent notes of the chord check out. I'm strumming all the strings, too. But no matter what I do, the pitch analyzer, as well as the tuner built into my Yamaha acoustic hear a "B".

Gotta be something I'm doing.https://justinguitarcommunity.com/Smileys/default/angry.gif Any ideas?

BTW, doesn't happen with D or A - those are fine.
Title: Re: CH-001 • Basic Open Chords
Post by: stitch101 on February 16, 2017, 08:13:30 pm
Welcome to the forum.

Your pitch analyzer or tuner can only detect notes not chords. Chords are multiple notes played
together. In the case of E the notes are E G B on you guitar from the thick E string down the note
are E B E G B E. Your pitch analyzer is picking up the open B string and ignoring the rest.

Use your ears to analyze your chords they will tell you if you are playing them wrong.

   
Title: Re: CH-001 • Basic Open Chords
Post by: shadowscott007 on February 16, 2017, 08:36:31 pm
I don't really know the answer.  Just two observations:

1)  Whenever I get a wonky note on any of my tuners, it is a B.  Maybe it is an artifact of whatever frequency reference the tuner uses.

2)  There are two B notes in a standard open E chord.

3)  When a string is vibrating its first three modes of vibration are the fundamental, the 1st overtone, and the 2nd over tone.

The fundamental is 1 times the frequency.  The 1st overtone is 2 times the frequency so is the octave.  The 2nd overtone is 3 times the frequency with is the 5th of the fundemental.

In the case of E that means the low E string has a fairly strong "B" component happening, at the same frequency as the open B note on the second string.  As does the E on the the 4th string at an octave higher, and the high open E string an octave higher yet.

So low to high E(B), B, E(B), G, B, E(B).  The parenthetical B notes are the overtones.  So there is a lot of B going on.

Finally the open strings vibrate more naturally than fretted notes (the whole intonation thing) which I suppose could make the overtones "pop" more for the two open E notes.

That theory may or may not be worth the time it takes to read this post.  But something along those lines is what I think is going on.

Shadow
Title: Re: CH-001 • Basic Open Chords
Post by: Drubbing on February 17, 2017, 12:06:26 am
Meh. It's still close enough for rock n roll.
Title: Re: CH-001 • Basic Open Chords
Post by: Mxlpik on February 18, 2017, 05:02:16 pm
when playing a Cm7, I sometimes miss the third string 3rd fret with my 4th finger and fret the 2nd string in the 3rd fret. With practice, I am doing it less, but the chord played in error sounds really nice, and I was wondering what it is called?  Fingering wise, it is a C chord with the 2nd string 3rd fret added.
Title: Re: CH-001 • Basic Open Chords
Post by: joueur de guitare on February 18, 2017, 05:23:20 pm
when playing a Cm7, I sometimes miss the third string 3rd fret with my 4th finger and fret the 2nd string in the 3rd fret. With practice, I am doing it less, but the chord played in error sounds really nice, and I was wondering what it is called?  Fingering wise, it is a C chord with the 2nd string 3rd fret added.

It's C7, not Cm7 ;)

I think what you're playing is an Am/C

Title: Re: CH-001 • Basic Open Chords
Post by: close2u on February 18, 2017, 07:05:57 pm
@mxlpic
Do you mean this?

e --- 0
B --- 3 which is your accidental finger placement
G --- 0
D --- 2
A --- 3
E --- x

If so then that is a C add 9
Title: Re: CH-001 • Basic Open Chords
Post by: SiegeFrog on February 18, 2017, 07:07:55 pm
It's C7, not Cm7 ;)

I think what you're playing is an Am/C

I agree with the first half: you're trying to play a C7 (AKA a C dominant 7). What you're playing is a Cadd9. The note on the B string 3rd fret is a D note which is the 9th of C major. To see this chord in action watch Justin's lesson videos for Live Forever or Wanted Dead or Alive. Though he uses a different fingering.


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Title: Re: CH-001 • Basic Open Chords
Post by: dman2 on April 27, 2017, 08:52:48 pm
Photography only use 2 fingers to cover 3 strings I do and it works for
My porkers

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Title: Re: CH-001 • Basic Open Chords
Post by: laser_171825 on February 13, 2021, 08:30:51 pm
I have been playing for about a year and getting a little frustrated at my sloppy / relatively slow (compared to other open chords) changes to the C major chord. Doing 1 minute changes from G to C I can get to around 40. Enough to pass grade 1 of Justin's beginner course, but I can do 60 or more with pairings not involving C.  When playing songs any C chord change spoils my playing and I often have to substitute a regular C chord with a Cadd9 to rectify this.  The thing with say, a G to C is that you have to use air changes.. you cannot use an anchor and when trying to change quickly my fingers often land on the wrong strings.  Yes... I know that practice is key... but you would've thought I would've cracked it after a year of practice wouldn't you?
Title: Re: CH-001 • Basic Open Chords
Post by: sairfingers on February 13, 2021, 11:51:00 pm
Hi laser.
Which fingers do you use for G? Have you tried fingers 2,3 and 4? Using these fingers makes the change back and forward from C much easier as your fingers are in the right ‘shape’.
Title: Re: CH-001 • Basic Open Chords
Post by: firstrazor on February 14, 2021, 12:51:40 am
Justin explains more variations in G shape Explorer:

https://www.justinguitar.com/guitar-lessons/g-shape-explorer-ce-300


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Title: Re: CH-001 • Basic Open Chords
Post by: laser_171825 on February 14, 2021, 10:08:36 am
Hi Sairfingers,

I am using the standard 1,2,3  fingerings for the C major. I am an older beginner (56) and my fingers aren't as nimble as they used to be to make chord changes quickly, especially to that C major, and yes, I am doing finger stretching / fretboard exercises. Other than this issue I am making good progress and I even cracked the dreaded F barre chord, so this issue is indeed frustrating.

I will try the fingering you suggested, cheers
Title: Re: CH-001 • Basic Open Chords
Post by: DavidP on February 14, 2021, 10:46:42 am
Laser, just in case...note sairfingers was talking about using fingers 234 for G chord not C chord.
Title: Re: CH-001 • Basic Open Chords
Post by: laser_171825 on February 14, 2021, 11:41:02 am
Laser, just in case...note sairfingers was talking about using fingers 234 for G chord not C chord.
Sorry, yes, I misread sairfingers post  ::)  I am using a full 4 finger G chord and often I will drop fingers 1 & 2 down a string to make for an easier transition to C when playing songs (Cadd9) but of course I should be able to change quickly to a standard C major chord by now!!