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Title: TB-007 • How To Find All The Notes On The Neck
Post by: justinguitar on July 14, 2008, 04:05:40 pm
Questions...

Lesson Link: http://www.justinguitar.com/en/TB-007-NotesOnNeck.php
Title: Re: TB-007 • How To Find All The Notes On The Neck
Post by: Machmood on February 07, 2011, 07:29:06 pm
 One question about this also. I was wondering is there is a specific way of remembering of a patter to find the notes quicker? Basically what I do is If I start with C I play the C on the 6th string, then I know the 5th open string is A and just "count"down the frets till I hit the C and so on and so on. Is this how to do it or is there a faster way to memorize and know where the notes are
Title: Re: TB-007 • How To Find All The Notes On The Neck
Post by: Geoff Vane on March 26, 2011, 12:56:42 pm
Questions:

Rule two: use the same finger.
Where, on the neck or when plucking?

Rule five: why the strange note sequence; what is the logic behind it? When you say play a G after the C, should that be a higher or lower G? I don't get the sequence layout as in how to choose the notes the way it is expected.
Title: Re: TB-007 • How To Find All The Notes On The Neck
Post by: JimLad on March 26, 2011, 02:40:21 pm
Questions:

Rule two: use the same finger.
Where, on the neck or when plucking?

Rule five: why the strange note sequence; what is the logic behind it? When you say play a G after the C, should that be a higher or lower G? I don't get the sequence layout as in how to choose the notes the way it is expected.

1: on the neck

2: you're supposed to play all the Cs between the 1st and 12th frets (inclusive) starting on the sixth string (so it'll be 8th fret 6th string, 3rd fret 5th string, 10th fret 4th string etc etc).  you then move onto the next note and do the same (your first G will be 3rd fret 6th string, then the next will be 10th fret 5th string etc).  so you end up having played 1 c per string, 1 g per string, 1 d per string and so on.
Title: Re: TB-007 • How To Find All The Notes On The Neck
Post by: PattheBunny on March 26, 2011, 04:16:41 pm
I am working on this but doing it a little differently.  I find that if I just pick the string once and move on, there isn't enough time for my brain to make the connection to place.  But if I pluck it several times and just wait to move to the next string, it's easier to remember where to go.  It's that time slow down thing again.  Sigh.

Pat
Title: Re: TB-007 • How To Find All The Notes On The Neck
Post by: misterg on March 27, 2011, 02:49:15 pm
Questions:
....
Rule five: why the strange note sequence; what is the logic behind it?

The note order is in the sequence of key signatures with increasing numbers of sharps. I understand where the key signatures come from but I don't understand the logic for using this particular sequence here. I doubt it's a coincidence, though.

Andy
Title: Re: TB-007 • How To Find All The Notes On The Neck
Post by: Misguided Ghost on April 08, 2011, 03:34:58 pm
I don't understand any of this....

It pretty much lost me where it said don't play any of the strings open.... how am I supposed to play the string then?? I feel really dumb right now.... really really dumb because I don't understand this or the note circle. Am I missing a valuable step before these????
Title: Re: TB-007 • How To Find All The Notes On The Neck
Post by: Bootstrap on April 08, 2011, 04:36:06 pm
Hey MG - all this lesson is trying to do is encourage you to learn where all the notes are.

You may have already worked out that the strings played open are E, A, D, G, B & E (sometimes referred to as little e) - when you press a fret anywhere along the neck on any of these strings you are playing a note - in fact any of the 12 semitones that exist ie C, C#, D, D#, E, F, F#, G, G#, A, A#, B. As an example if you press the 1st fret of the 6th string you are playing F, the 2nd fret F#, the 3rd fret G and so on....

Note there is no sharp (or flat) between E & F or B & C as the distance between those notes is just one semitone as opposed to a full tone (2 semitones) gap between the other notes - 2 other things to understand..... 1) Each sharp has an equal corresponding flat eg A# = Bb or D# = Eb etc and 2) each fret on the neck of your guitar = 1 semitone.

Try Googling a free app called Fret Warrior which is a fun way to learn where all the notes are (there are others but their names escape me at the moment).

Hope that helps - seek clarification if it doesn't.

Cheers, Boots :)
Title: Re: TB-007 • How To Find All The Notes On The Neck
Post by: Misguided Ghost on April 08, 2011, 05:33:55 pm
Thanks for that, I understand a little more now. I will definitely check out that app. I just feel like before I get into more lessons, I'm at Anchoring, I should work on finger strength and get more acquainted with the fret board.

 
Title: Re: TB-007 • How To Find All The Notes On The Neck
Post by: perfopt on May 02, 2011, 01:57:54 pm
At what stage should I try learning how to find notes on the neck? I mean after completing what stage of the beginner course?
Title: Re: TB-007 • How To Find All The Notes On The Neck
Post by: Bootstrap on May 02, 2011, 02:25:37 pm
It will take a while - so the sooner you start the better!
Title: Re: TB-007 • How To Find All The Notes On The Neck
Post by: K Reyn on May 15, 2011, 02:14:54 am
When performing this lesson is it best to start with C and work at it till you get to 160 bpm? Or should you progress as fast as you can then move onto G? Right now I can do the C lesson at 120 bpm.
Title: Re: TB-007 • How To Find All The Notes On The Neck
Post by: misterg on May 15, 2011, 01:17:36 pm
When performing this lesson is it best to start with C and work at it till you get to 160 bpm? Or should you progress as fast as you can then move onto G? Right now I can do the C lesson at 120 bpm.

Hello and welcome :)

As I understand it, the idea is to get all the 'C's at a slow speed (60 BPM), then follow up with the 'G's at the same speed. Once you can do all the 'C's and 'G's, you add the 'D's, etc.

So initially you would do:

C C C C C C

Then:

C C C C C C G G G G G G

Then:

C C C C C C G G G G G G D D D D D D

Once you get to

C C C C C C G G G G G G D D D D D D A A A A A A E E E E E E B B B B B B F F F F F F

*then* start upping the speed.

HTH

Andy
Title: Re: TB-007 • How To Find All The Notes On The Neck
Post by: perfopt on June 14, 2011, 03:53:49 pm
I am having trouble with this lesson.

I can play all Cs, Gs, Ds, As, Es, Bs, and Fs.

My problem is:
1. I have to follow the order from the top of the neck. I cannot find a note on a randomly chosen fret
2. My speed is slow. I have been practicing for 2 weeks now and I cant even get to 40 (the slowest speed on the metronome)

Any tips to improve speed?
Title: Re: TB-007 • How To Find All The Notes On The Neck
Post by: Bootstrap on June 14, 2011, 10:49:20 pm
Perfect - look for patterns - hint - G & C are at the 3rd fret 6th & 5th string respectively..... Now look at the 4th & 3rd string at the 5th fret..... see some pattern? The other thing is use pneumonics at the dot frets - make up your own - also note the top 4 strings at the 7th fret spell BEAD.... Draw up a fret board and put the notes down and you will see all sorts of things you can use to memorize where the notes are.

Then Google a program like Fret Warrior and practice.

Happy hunting :)
Title: Re: TB-007 • How To Find All The Notes On The Neck
Post by: dneeman on July 30, 2011, 08:25:51 pm
a good way when you don't have a guitar with you (you are on a bus for example, or trying to fall asleep:), is that you try picturing each string:
for example: E
E1 is F
E3 is G
E5 is A and so on.
or
B1 is C
B3 is D
....
B10 is A
B12 is B:)

I found out this is good because when you get used to remembering the number that corresponds to the root, it will be easier to form chords by yourself. Or if someone asks you "find me a B /11, then you know that the 11th of the B is A# and you even know where to find it!

not so sure i explained it clearly, hope it helps!
Title: Re: TB-007 • How To Find All The Notes On The Neck
Post by: kefkef159 on August 04, 2011, 03:36:03 pm
I have my doubts if this really help you finding a random note, because basically you're running on auto-pilot, if you've done this for several times. So what I think is that you need to play the C loop to find the C on string x or does this really help if you just need a random note?

I'm note offending the lesson or something, I'm just a bit sceptic, since you're running on auto-pilot. You might have the 160 bpm and know all the notes, but if they ask you a random note. I think you still have some struggles, because you aren't in the "loop".
Title: Re: TB-007 • How To Find All The Notes On The Neck
Post by: visualbasicide on August 27, 2011, 11:55:47 pm
For those of you trying to find some theme to this whole exercise, maybe this will clear it up for you a little, might want to look at the chart while I explain it, since I myself and still working on it.

The easiest way I can explain what I see is by using the E on the 12th fret. if you count back down the fretboard 5 frets, and drop down one string, you will be on the same root note. so on the A string your now on the 7th fret. 5 more frets and one string lower, your on the D string 2nd fret. This leaves you with one more fret to count before the cycle repeats again from the 12th fret on the next string, so counting D string 1st fret, starting over on G string 12th fret we need to go 4 more frets to make it equal 5 frets total again.

the exception is of course the B string which the distance will only be 4 frets distance.because all of the strings are a perfect 4th away from each other in tuning, and the B string is a (major 3rd?). take a look at the picture and count back 5 frets and drop down a string.

I understand the terminology is incorrect as the strings start on the little e and go "down" to the big E but I'm talking perspective from your face looking down at the strings. This observation doesn't change no matter what note you pick anywhere on the board. you can alternatively count "up" 5 frets and "up" one string (except for the B string where the distance will still always be 4 frets) and it never changes. Pretty slick I think, as long as you can do simple math this will work out perfectly. (assuming my ability to explain what I'm seeing is clear enough). Pop up the image in a new window and check out what im talking about, after checking it out you should see exactly what I'm talking about. Hope it helps make it "click" for some of you.
Title: Re: TB-007 • How To Find All The Notes On The Neck
Post by: Cue Zephyr on August 28, 2011, 01:06:27 am
What I also found helpful is knowing the intervals from a 6th, 5th and 4th string root. This way you can easily find the right intervals and determine what the notes are counting from the root.

To expand on what visualbasicide said - of course knowing where your varios interval (double stop) fingerings are, that help too. Plus, not forgetting that the guitar is tuned in fourths with the exception of the G and B which is smaller - a major third.
vbide, this is basically what your methology is based on (or it's how I see it, at least).

Just my 0.02! ;)
Title: Re: TB-007 • How To Find All The Notes On The Neck
Post by: irishalkies on August 28, 2011, 03:01:53 am

I found out this is good because when you get used to remembering the number that corresponds to the root, it will be easier to form chords by yourself. Or if someone asks you "find me a B /11, then you know that the 11th of the B is A# and you even know where to find it!

not so sure i explained it clearly, hope it helps!

                                                                                T   T   S  T  T    T   S
I don't get this. Is it just me? In my mind a B11 would be E. B C# D# E F# G# A# B
                                                                                             4
                                                                                             11


                                
Title: Re: TB-007 • How To Find All The Notes On The Neck
Post by: Cue Zephyr on August 28, 2011, 02:34:14 pm
Irish, you do get it - because you actually got it right. The full chord (I think) would be B-D#-F#-A-E. The A# is the major 7th.
Title: Re: TB-007 • How To Find All The Notes On The Neck
Post by: glastoandy on January 08, 2012, 05:34:30 pm
Hi being a beginner, I have a question regarding the notes on the neck. I understand the notes of the open strings EBGDAE, so logically the first semitone on the 1st fret of E, is F, so why isn't this the same for the first fret of all of the open strings ( except the other E ). Please ignore this I should have been looking at the strings as EADGBE! : :
Title: Re: TB-007 • How To Find All The Notes On The Neck
Post by: jacksroadhouse on January 08, 2012, 06:46:06 pm
Well, it is: the first fret is one semitone higher than the open string. Always.

I might be wrong here, but is it possible you're struggling a little with the notes themselves (chromatic scale)? There's a lot of information on the site about notes and scales. Or if you can, you should really get Justin's "Practical Music Theory", that's a more structured approach specifically designed for beginners.
Title: Re: TB-007 • How To Find All The Notes On The Neck
Post by: stitch101 on January 08, 2012, 07:46:07 pm
first semitone on the 1st fret of E, is F, so why isn't this the same for the first fret of all of the open strings

It is the same on the B string first semitone is C. You need to understand sharps and flats. Justin has a good
lesson here. http://www.justinguitar.com/en/TB-006-NoteCircle.php

PS I just read the same question in another thread. Please don't double post.
Title: Re: TB-007 • How To Find All The Notes On The Neck
Post by: skate on January 09, 2012, 11:03:12 pm

Rule five: why the strange note sequence; what is the logic behind it? When you say play a G after the C, should that be a higher or lower G? I don't get the sequence layout as in how to choose the notes the way it is expected.

I don't know if anyone answered this question directly, but I think I've found the answer.  I too am just beginning to learn the guitar, and was also wondering about this, so I wrote down the frets in the order I had to hit them (disregarding the string for now) and found this nice little pattern emerge:

C     G     D     A     E     B     F
8                  
3     3               
10   10   10            
5     5     5     5         
1    12   12   12    12      
8     8     7     7     7     7   
       3     3     2     2     2     1
             10   10    9     9     8
                    5     5     4     3
                          12   12   10
                                 7     6
                                        1
Hopefully the reason for the odd note sequence shows up here.

It helped me out quite a bit.  Maybe it'll help someone else.
Title: Re: TB-007 • How To Find All The Notes On The Neck
Post by: Andreas Fischer on January 08, 2013, 04:09:33 am
I have 2 questions about this lesson and i am sure i am doing it wrong right now

first:
in the description is written : "Start by playing C on the 6th string (8th fret) then on the 5th string (3rd fret) then on 4th string (10th fret) and so on up to the 1st string and back down to the 6th. Then go on to the next note (F) and do the same thing.

Why the next note would be "F"? The Next would be either "C"
or i i follow the following rule no. 5 it would be "G"? wouldnt it?

second:

right now i practise "C" , i started with a speed of 30 bpm and now am at 90 bpm
should i practise "C" untill i can play all the C`s" at 160 bpm
and than start with  all "G`S" ...
than all "D`S"... this way i learn all the patterns

or should i play all "C", than all "G" than all "D" ... all in a row? that wopuld be really difficult but this way i really would memorize where to find which note, wouldnt i?

it would be great if there would be clearer instructions of this important exercise
Title: Re: TB-007 • How To Find All The Notes On The Neck
Post by: joshs on January 08, 2013, 07:38:05 am
Question 1: Don't get to hung up on the note order. Use rule #5 as a guide. That's probably a typo in the intro... You might also try flash cards to randomly choose

Question 2: Do all of the notes at least once every time! Right in a row. Once you finish playing the last C, play the first G.

There are lots of methods to do this kind of practice and this is definitely a good one. I also made a video about this sort of thing: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jqFURpBtF6w

So have many others, so shop around and find the tricks you like.
Title: Re: TB-007 • How To Find All The Notes On The Neck
Post by: close2u on January 08, 2013, 12:27:53 pm
Quote
Then go on to the next note (F) and do the same thing.

This means, after you have completed the exercise of finding and playing the C notes on all 6 strings up and down ...

repeat but with another note ... namely the note F

on 6th string at fret 1
on 5th string at fret 8
etc
Title: Re: TB-007 • How To Find All The Notes On The Neck
Post by: GuitarGirl2013 on January 30, 2013, 03:56:03 am
It all comes with practice!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: TB-007 • How To Find All The Notes On The Neck
Post by: Grunties on September 20, 2014, 07:04:26 pm
http://www.justinguitar.com/en/TB-007-NotesOnNeck.php

Dead link; cannot find this lesson in the new structure.
Title: Re: TB-007 • How To Find All The Notes On The Neck
Post by: stitch101 on September 20, 2014, 07:45:09 pm
http://www.justinguitar.com/en/TB-007-NotesOnNeck.php

Dead link; cannot find this lesson in the new structure.

Please report broken links to this thread so they can be fixed.
http://justinguitarcommunity.com/index.php?topic=35369.0
Title: Re: TB-007 • How To Find All The Notes On The Neck
Post by: Libitina on May 04, 2018, 10:16:56 pm
Can someone tell me whats he point of rule 2, if this is for memory of note positions and speed why not use the index finger to play the lower note (nearest the nut) and the ring finger to play the upper note.

R.H
Title: Re: TB-007 • How To Find All The Notes On The Neck
Post by: jono on May 05, 2018, 10:24:46 am
It will help later with finding and moving barre, power chords and triads around

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