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BL-206 • Blues Chord Extensions
« on: December 02, 2011, 08:31:19 am »
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Re: BL-206 • Blues Chord Extensions
« Reply #1 on: December 09, 2011, 07:35:00 pm »
e X
B 1
G 2
D 2
A 1
E X
I think this is the C form of this no root chord

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Re: BL-206 • Blues Chord Extensions
« Reply #2 on: December 09, 2011, 11:02:50 pm »
Looks like you are playing the root of the F13 chord under your second finger on the second string?

x, Eb, A, D, F, x

Want to make sure I've got that right because its easier for me to remember and move the shape around that way, than thinking of the root two frets above the Eb. 

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Re: BL-206 • Blues Chord Extensions
« Reply #3 on: December 10, 2011, 12:18:21 am »
Watched again 8 40 Time mark he called it a F 13 the b7th in the bass I wrote mine in C using the same fingerings just made mine a C instead of the F.
The Chord shape was the original question it being created from the C shaped or open shape.

Bb   -A string
E      D string 
A      G string
C      B string


Sorry meant root on top

I think I may also had that G9 no root in mind as it is the same note but the shape changes and the intervals as well it can be Bm7b5 for the root.
Dm6 starting on the 6th
G9 starting on the root

The first is the A minor shape with the root on the 5th string
The Dm6 seem to be the Dm shape
The G9 is the G shape

e X
B 3
G 2
D 3
A 2


Sorry seem the blues just jazzed up a bit

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Re: BL-206 • Blues Chord Extensions
« Reply #4 on: December 10, 2011, 12:48:33 am »
e 5                       A ROOT
B 2                          m3RD
D 3                            9TH
G 5                             b7th
A
E
This is call the SRV A9 move it up 12 fret for the full effect.
Back to the Blues

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Re: BL-206 • Blues Chord Extensions - help!
« Reply #5 on: December 14, 2011, 03:33:52 pm »
Sorry guys, I was just wondering if those open shapes of 9ths and 13ths chords are moveable or not. And if they are, do they follow the chromatic scale names on the guitar neck? (Meaning C9 first, C#9 then and so on)

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Re: BL-206 • Blues Chord Extensions - help!
« Reply #6 on: December 14, 2011, 04:22:23 pm »
Sorry guys, I was just wondering if those open shapes of 9ths and 13ths chords are moveable or not. And if they are, do they follow the chromatic scale names on the guitar neck? (Meaning C9 first, C#9 then and so on)
Yes they are movable.
Yes the do  move chromatic in nature.
 
The no root  shape of the G9 which can be 2 other chords without moving it anywhere.

e
B 3
G 2
D 3
A 2
E
You can move this shape back one fret and slide it forward back to where it come form or one fret forward and slide it back one fret.

If you learn and just use the tri-tone you can move these pattern a minor 3 which is 3 frets .
This is the tri tone in A 7 chord
5th fret D string 6th fret G string

Now if you move this back one fret you have the D7 forward one fret E7 both these are C form chord coming form the C shaped 7 chord.

You can move these 3 fret up and do chromatically Back and just that easy you have play the 1 6 2 5 turn around work backwards as well.
Meaning you can move it back 3 frets and chromatically forward back to the start.

May Question was a legitimate questions as well, but when it come to using these types of chords the Function should take precedence over the form or shape.

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Re: BL-206 • Blues Chord Extensions
« Reply #7 on: December 15, 2011, 08:29:16 am »
I'm not sure if I understood correctly. Do you mean that we can move that shape but if you do that, the new one doesn't have the name of the previous chord?
Sorry!! Maybe I'm not that expert!

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Re: BL-206 • Blues Chord Extensions
« Reply #8 on: December 15, 2011, 02:43:06 pm »
I'm not sure if I understood correctly. Do you mean that we can move that shape but if you do that, the new one doesn't have the name of the previous chord?
Sorry!! Maybe I'm not that expert!
Not an Expert either but I hope you get that simple fingering it is not part of justin lesson but the same principle apply.

You will need to understand how chord are made to get this fully , my example is just two notes and I can only expand on that.
 Those same principle work well with Dom7 chords and these extension are Dom7 chords ;D
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Re: BL-206 • Blues Chord Extensions
« Reply #9 on: December 15, 2011, 03:57:06 pm »
@Elena

Yes you can move them and the name changes, but only the root name.

You move a G9 chord up two frets it is an A9.  So the root note changes, but it is still a 9 chord.

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Re: BL-206 • Blues Chord Extensions
« Reply #10 on: December 15, 2011, 03:59:08 pm »
Ok, I finally got it! Thanx a lot guys!

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Re: BL-206 • Blues Chord Extensions
« Reply #11 on: December 15, 2011, 05:24:18 pm »
@Elena

Yes you can move them and the name changes, but only the root name.

You move a G9 chord up two frets it is an A9.  So the root note changes, but it is still a 9 chord.

Shadow
Note some of Justin example contain no root and could be considered many chords kind or the reason I gave the example of the tri-tone.
I also tab these chords above say no root.
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Re: BL-206 • Blues Chord Extensions
« Reply #12 on: December 15, 2011, 07:39:03 pm »
I interpreted the question more generally; if you take a chord shape and move it around the name (root) changes, but the quality doesn't.

Based on the question I left it at that rather than jump into the whole enharmonic equivalency thing.  Time enough for that after the basics are down. 

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Re: BL-206 • Blues Chord Extensions
« Reply #13 on: December 15, 2011, 08:39:46 pm »
I interpreted the question more generally; if you take a chord shape and move it around the name (root) changes, but the quality doesn't.

Based on the question I left it at that rather than jump into the whole enharmonic equivalency thing.  Time enough for that after the basics are down. 

Shadow
That's true, your a smart fellow do you see the Tri-tone
e  X
B  X
D  6
G  5
A  X
E  X

Better to play and hear it, moving this simple shape up three fret then moving back chromatically is a form of the  1  6  2  5 .
Justin went into this a little in this lesson.
Even the C form 9 chord can be tough to play, the bass will have the root so I just tried to show a pattern that anybody could play, it;s two fingers.
It may seem I am technical but I am thinking and playing pretty simple. ;D

 I was also the original poster no one confirm my A shape chord form, I guess they think it a trick question  :o

 

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Re: BL-206 • Blues Chord Extensions
« Reply #14 on: December 15, 2011, 09:15:51 pm »
Yeah, I would think of that as the C shape/form, from your OP.

Wasn't sure which of the chords you were talking about for the A shape.

Yeah.  Tritones abound.

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