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Re: AR-101 • Arpeggios: Why? How? Which? When?
« Reply #1 on: November 20, 2010, 05:02:07 pm »
Ok, I have a question for you, Justin -or anyone who can answer-. It´s about jazz.

You said that, many times, you find that, in a song, there are a bunch of chords belonging to a particular key, and then, some other chords that belong to other keys (usually ones that come from the 4th of 5th of the original)... 
And then, there usually are a couple of chords that just seem to stick in ocassionally and don´t fit into either of the above-mentioned keys. (usually 7ths or altered-7ths)

Ok, my question is this.:
You said that when you find those couple of chords that stick in ocassionally, is the time to throw in their arpeggios... 
But my guess is....   Those lonely off-tune chords HAVE to fit in a scale.  Isn´t it?  (= question).
And it MUST be a scale that contains every single note of its arpeggio.


For example...  do you know the bossanova song "How Insesitive" from Tom Jobim?

It starts with these chords:

Bm7  -  ???  -  Am6-   ??? ???  -  G6  -  Cmaj7  -  Dbm7b5  -  F#7#5  -  Bm7

Am11  -  D7  -  G#dim  -  G6  -  F#7#5 Bm7

Am11  -  D7  -  G#m11  -  C#7  -  G6  -  F#7#5  -  Bm7 [/color]

where (???) is 6x567x and can be substituted by F#7#5 belonging to the key of B harmonic minor

and ( ??? ???) is 4x243x that can be named as E7/G# and don´t know which scale it belongs to. Maybe A major. Although you can play a couple of them over it.


Analyzing the colors:

Pink means that belongs to the scale of B harmonic minor.
Blue means G major.
Red means D major.
Purple means F# harmonic minor.


So...  from these scales I would say -might be wrong- that the song´s main key is D major.
Because B harmonic minor is its relative minor scale.
G major is its 4th.
F# harmonic minor is the relative minor scale of its 5th (A major).

As you see, there are a lot of scales you have to mix up here. Maybe this is why you said jazz players tend to use more arpeggios than scales.... 
But there is ALWAYS a scale that fits every single chord, isn´t it??

Or maybe you could say something like "the chords in red and purple represent those stuck-in-couple-of-chords so you´d better use their arpegios rather than changing scales..."

I know this post is a little bit confusing. sorry for that...
 By the way, your web page is awesome. You know it.

Bye....

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Re: AR-101 • Arpeggios: Why? How? Which? When?
« Reply #2 on: February 06, 2011, 04:50:38 pm »
Hi Justin.

I have been practising arpeggios but I am unclear as to which arpeggios I can use when.  e.g If I am in F major and I am playing D dorian over a progression of Dm and G maj vamps which arpeggios will sound right and which won't?  You're site is awesome and I am so grateful to you.  Dard.

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Re: AR-101 • Arpeggios: Why? How? Which? When?
« Reply #3 on: March 10, 2011, 09:28:58 pm »
Hi Justin,

Bit confused here! In the lesson you state the following:

Look at Poistion 1 below and notice that the R is on the 6th string (played with the second finger). Whatever note you put that one becomes the name of the scale. So place your second finger at the 3rd fret and you will play the G Major 7 arpeggio (because the note on the 3rd fret of the 6th string is the note G). Place the second finger on the 9th fret and you will play the C Major 7th arpeggio (because the note at the 9th fret of the 6th string is the note C#)


Wouldn't the arpeggio at the 9th fret be C# Major 7th as that note is C#?

By the way....love the lessons....many thanks!!

Dave

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Re: AR-101 • Arpeggios: Why? How? Which? When?
« Reply #4 on: March 20, 2011, 08:21:36 pm »
I would like printable PDF files for the charts. Thanks! :)

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Re: AR-101 • Arpeggios: Why? How? Which? When?
« Reply #5 on: August 15, 2011, 06:22:16 pm »
I would love any links/references/insights to help practice USING arpeggios in a playing/improvising situations.  Practicing the patterns is only the beginning, of course, and not much use if you can't learn to apply them in fluid and melodic ways in your improvising.  Thanks.   

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Re: AR-101 • Arpeggios: Why? How? Which? When?
« Reply #6 on: December 15, 2012, 09:13:09 pm »
Really enjoying your lessons Justin. You're an amazing virtuoso on the guitar!  ;D

Question regarding the Arpeggios.. When you follow the chord changes you would switch shapes to match the chord in the song yet play in the correct root/key? ex: for 12 bar blues... A shape 1st note at 5th fret, then D shape at 10th fret etc
once you know all of em ? ( Really hard to do ). If we just start with (E) pattern all over it's not really playing Arpeggios or is it?  :o

Although just using an E shape arpeggio in all keys sounds good... confusing as to what to do... ?

Thanks (you have a knack for teaching. )!!

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Re: AR-101 • Arpeggios: Why? How? Which? When?
« Reply #7 on: December 16, 2012, 01:37:29 am »
Ok, you could pick one arpeggio shape and move of over the neck.  That is one approach.

The other approach would be to use the different arpeggio shapes and use three different ones all in the fifth position.  For A blues use the E shape for the A chord, the A shape for the D chord, and the C shape for the E chord.  All of them would be in the fifth fret area.

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Re: AR-101 • Arpeggios: Why? How? Which? When?
« Reply #8 on: April 05, 2013, 06:36:33 pm »
hi justin... i'm new to this forum and it's my first post here so I don't know if it's been asked before or not but here goes my question..... you have a bunch of lessons on arpeggios ... dominant 7, minor 7, major 7 etc... but what if I want to play over a normal major chord or a normal minor chord ... no sevens of any sort................ so can i use any of the above mentioned arpeggios while not playing the 7th notes or can i play the 7th notes too or is there any separate arpeggio for them...

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Re: AR-101 • Arpeggios: Why? How? Which? When?
« Reply #9 on: April 05, 2013, 07:14:14 pm »
pavan369
All arpeggios are, is when you play the notes of a chord one at a time. So you can play any chord as an
arpeggio.

You can play a major 7 arpeggio over a major chord and minor 7 over a minor and some minor 7 even sound
good over a major chord.

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Re: AR-101 • Arpeggios: Why? How? Which? When?
« Reply #10 on: April 05, 2013, 08:10:31 pm »
@ stitch101
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All arpeggios are, is when you play the notes of a chord one at a time. So you can play any chord as an
arpeggio.
just to clarify some confusion that I read in your post ....
an arpeggio is a series of notes each of which forms a chord
an arpeggiated chord is a chord played one note at a time
an arpeggio does not have the same shape on the fingerboard as the matching chord

@ pavan369
yes, there are arpeggios that describe the major and minor chords without the 7th notes
take the patterns that Justin has taught for major7 and minor 7 and just play the 1, 3, 5 notes for major and the 1, b3, 5 notes for minor ... in other words, miss out the 7th notes


as stict says - you can play other notes along with a straight-ahead arpeggio over a standard major chord for colour


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Re: AR-101 • Arpeggios: Why? How? Which? When?
« Reply #11 on: April 05, 2013, 09:56:25 pm »
You right close2u I didn't explain that very well. It's more of a scale using the notes of a chord not just
the chord and can be played anywhere on the neck where those notes are found.

So a major arpeggios would be the Root 3rd and 5th and and the major 7 would be the Root 3rd 5th and
7th.

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Re: AR-101 • Arpeggios: Why? How? Which? When?
« Reply #12 on: July 04, 2013, 12:51:27 pm »
Hi Justin

Im working my way through your arpeggio lessons and have noticed that all of the arpeggios are from 7th chords,

Are these the main arpeggios people use? are simple major / minor arpeggios not used much? for blue or jazz?

Cheers

Chris

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Re: AR-101 • Arpeggios: Why? How? Which? When?
« Reply #13 on: August 18, 2013, 09:37:00 pm »
         I am trying to figure out when picking an arpeggio if it is to be alt picked or not. I may have started a bad habit, but I pretty much sweep the arpeggio. It sounds fine to me when I play it that way but if there is any reason that it needs to be alt picked please explain. In fact I am trying to figure out when I need to alt pick in a whole bunch of different situations and techniques.

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Re: AR-101 • Arpeggios: Why? How? Which? When?
« Reply #14 on: July 20, 2015, 06:07:33 pm »
Hi !

In the lesson it is mentioned that you can use those arpeggios : G Maj Arpeggio

The only patterns I can see are for 7th (maj, min, dom, etc.) arpeggios.

Is there a reason why basic maj and min are not shown ? Maybe they're not used much ?

thanks !

 

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