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ST-322 • Sultans Of Swing (Dire Staits)
« on: September 22, 2009, 12:01:12 pm »
« Last Edit: May 16, 2011, 05:02:29 pm by justinguitar »
"You can get help from teachers, but you are going to have to learn a lot by yourself, sitting alone in a room." Dr. Seuss

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Re: ST-322 • Sultans Of Swing (Dire Staits)
« Reply #1 on: September 23, 2009, 04:33:22 pm »
THE FIRST FEW CHORDS.
Justin,
I just can't get my third finger to do a major chord in the (A) position no matter how hard i try, it just won't bend the opposite way at the knuckle.  Do you think it would be better if i did power chords, indeed are they power chords? or should i try to use major chords but in a different position.
Thanks in advance Stuart 

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Re: ST-322 • Sultans Of Swing (Dire Staits)
« Reply #2 on: September 23, 2009, 04:45:48 pm »
stuart,
question is how long have you been trying to do those barre-chords?
is it the first song or are you really trying for ages?
these barre-chords can be particulary hard to play at first. took ages for me.

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« Reply #3 on: September 23, 2009, 05:48:58 pm »
I have been trying to learn to play for about 15 years off and on, even had classical guitar lessons with private tutor for 1st year, which never used the same technique as is used here. Only started to take it serious again when i found Justin's site last November, in fact i have only had an electric guitar three months prior to that i always used a classical guitar with the wide flat neck.
So can everyone bend the third finger tip joint on the third finger the opposite way or is it something that has to be developed, or is there any tricks that i might be able to get away with. Any advice please, also does everyone have this problem. Sorry for rambling on.
Stuart,
question is how long have you been trying to do those barre-chords
is it the first song or are you really trying for ages?
these barre-chords can be particulary hard to play at first. took ages for me.

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Re: ST-322 • Sultans Of Swing (Dire Staits)
« Reply #4 on: September 23, 2009, 06:25:45 pm »
you could try the following:
bring together the tips of your 3rd finger and your thumb.
try to bend that first joint. can you do it with your other fingers or is it just the 3rd one?

regards

wakefieldyorkshire

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Re: ST-322 • Sultans Of Swing (Dire Staits)
« Reply #5 on: September 24, 2009, 08:46:39 am »
you could try the following:
bring together the tips of your 3rd finger and your thumb.
try to bend that first joint. can you do it with your other fingers or is it just the 3rd one?

regards

I have tried has you have advised and find that compared to the right finger joint the left does bend, but not as much as the right. I did break my second finger left hand about five year ago near the tip; wouldn't have thought that would have caused the third finger to stiffen up though, by the way i am sixty if that means anything. I think i will incorporate your thumb and finger squeezing into an exercise, maybe that will help bring some dexterity to my finger joint. 
Thanks Stuart

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Re: ST-322 • Sultans Of Swing (Dire Staits)
« Reply #6 on: September 25, 2009, 12:01:41 am »
Great lesson man, im from argentina and a huge knopfler fan, actually i started guitar because of this song. To the guy having problems with bar chords, just stick to playing the notes on strings 2,3,4 until u r  able to do them, dont miss the fun of playing this song!.
here are a couple of great pages i found through the web about mark knopfler techniques and gear. (but this lesson beats them all!!)
http://ds.mk-guitar.com/index.html
http://www.mk-guitar.com/blog/2008/09/10/knopflers-ernie-ball-volume-pedal-and-how-i-use-mine/

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Re: ST-322 • Sultans Of Swing (Dire Staits)
« Reply #7 on: September 26, 2009, 11:13:50 pm »
should the first string ring in the A barre chords?

I watched the lessons on the site and justin says it's pretty hard to do so and we shouldn't bother but anyway how's it in the song?

Not a real question but mark knopflers cd hit the stores this week (at least here in Portugal) is it any good?


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« Reply #8 on: October 01, 2009, 05:13:10 am »
First off, THANKS SO MUCH J! Love the lessons like always. I found as I was playing riff 2 I knew I was missing the second set of notes (3,6) but it would still sound right, then I realized I was hitting both the e and b strings at the third fret. They sound identical and a little bit easier to play, thank goodness for mistakes eh.

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Re: ST-322 • Sultans Of Swing (Dire Staits)
« Reply #9 on: October 04, 2009, 05:06:54 pm »
Thanks a million for posting this. I'd more or less figured out most of it but I hadn't got the 2nd solo and the other faster bits. Plus there's about 37 places on the neck you can play all the thirds stuff....

One question - I'm classically trained before I played electric so I naturally tend towards fingers rather than pick, but I'm really struggling with the fast triplets bit at the tenth fret at the end of the second solo because of the upstroke with my thumb. I've never seen the like... far be it to question, but is it definitely an upstroke rather an a hammer on / pull off on the top string? The pull off falls more naturally under my fingers - which obviously doesn't mean that's what Knopfler's doing - but the upstroke is a killer.

Thanks again.

Oh, and the rhythm guitarist in the Dire Straits at the time was David Knopfler, Mark's brother, though who knows who played what in the studio.

Sometimes I worry that I know these things.
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Re: ST-322 • Sultans Of Swing (Dire Staits)
« Reply #10 on: October 04, 2009, 05:47:43 pm »
Scaling new heights of sadness...

About 9 mins 10 secs into this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Re9qdd6GdTg he's playing the tripletty bit. Anyone see what's going on, thumbwise?

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« Reply #11 on: October 09, 2009, 01:58:27 pm »
Don't give up "oldnick" - I guess from your name you're an old f*rt like me. I always dreamt about being able to play Sultans but thought it was beyond my limited abilities. Well it's not. It's taken me about 6 months of hard practice but I'm just about there including the (in)famous last fast lick. I learnt it thanks to Siggi Mertens for the two solos(he's on YouTube & free like Justin) also a great teacher just like Justin. I then plugged away at the rest of the song phrase by phrase using a GuitarPro tab I downloaded from ultimateguitar.com. GuitarPro is a great bit of software for learning. You can just put it on repeat loop slowed down & keep plugging away until you get the phrase.
So I did it the hard way and my version does differ in places from the original a little bit - But now that Justin's 4 part lesson is available you've got it note by note 100% as per the way Knopfler played it. So get stuck in & have a go, bit by bit. Don't be overawed by it. It's very do-able even for a crap player like me.
I'm currently reviewing/improving my version with the help of Justin's spot on lessons.

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Re: ST-322 • Sultans Of Swing (Dire Staits)
« Reply #12 on: November 09, 2009, 04:34:44 pm »
Hi guys,

Am i the only one who have a hard time strumming the chords like it should be ? I mean the way i do it still sound good (and right) but i can't do it like justin does, you know with the fast movement at the beginning.



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Re: ST-322 • Sultans Of Swing (Dire Staits)
« Reply #13 on: November 24, 2009, 12:25:10 am »
One question - I'm classically trained before I played electric so I naturally tend towards fingers rather than pick, but I'm really struggling with the fast triplets bit at the tenth fret at the end of the second solo because of the upstroke with my thumb. I've never seen the like... far be it to question, but is it definitely an upstroke rather an a hammer on / pull off on the top string? The pull off falls more naturally under my fingers - which obviously doesn't mean that's what Knopfler's doing - but the upstroke is a killer.

This confused me for a while as well, until I realised that Justin uses "flick" as another word for "pull-off"! He doesn't mean to do an upstroke with your thumb! If you look carefully you can see he's not actually picking the string with his thumb on the way back up to the B string (I think he would have made a bigger deal of it if he was as it would be a pretty unusual technique!)

And yes by your youtube video looks like Mark Knopfler is pulling off as well.

Hope this helps,
Jacob

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Re: ST-322 • Sultans Of Swing (Dire Staits)
« Reply #14 on: December 14, 2009, 03:15:58 pm »
Ok, I can play pretty much all the lead now, I'm just having trouble with the pull off lick on the 8 9 and 10th frets where it's 8 10p8 9 sorta thing. and then the obvious one also.  I'm trying to play it with a pick, is that a terrible idea or should I continue? 

 

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